DWTS Season 11, Week 9 – Media After The Results
Well, it was a disappointing elimination for many of us last night including myself. If I feel the way I do, I can’t imagine how Brandy and Maks must feel? But, here they are in good spirits and making the best of it on The Jimmy Kimmel Show last night after the show. I love how Jimmy starts off this interview saying they were “unfortunate victims” of “Hurricane Bristol” and a little later “The Tea Party Voting Block”.lol I like how Brandy holds Maks’ leg for most of the interview and he holds her hand.
And here they are on “Good Morning America” this morning very emotional in places.
Here is recap of the night from ABC and some reaction across twitter on the elimination and many people blaming politics for what happened. Brandy and Maks are also interviewed by ABC.
Access Hollywood interviewing them as well. Maks takes responsibility and also says the elimination is due to the “nature of the show” and “not everything is about dancing”. I love what he keeps saying about what this Country is about and the power and freedom to vote which his Country didn’t have.
Brandy breaks down with Niecy Nash on ET. The other couples are interviewed as well on the elimintation.
Monday there was a great interview with Tom Bergeron (Heidi’s second love, lol) posted at Movie Line. Special thanks to PureDWTS fan Sheri for letting us know on this one. Tom discusses the show this year, his favorite funny people, hosting nightmares, and his impatience with Bristol Palin conspiracy theorists. Here are a couple takes. Be sure to read much more at the link.
Which couples on Dancing with the Stars have you felt compelled to defend this season or in past seasons?Nobody in particular, but in general it’ll be at any point where I think the judges are going after them and being either unfair or inconsistent in what they’re saying to one couple versus another. Sometimes I get it completely wrong. Last week was a case in point where Carrie Ann [Inaba] justly criticized Maksim [Chmerkovskiy], and Brandy and Maks got indignant. They went back and forth, and then Len said, “Your dance was full of this, full of that, full of this,” and he was being complimentary. And I said, “But what did you think Carrie Ann was full of?” It was a straight line to swing at, but he used it as an opportunity to defend what Carrie Ann had said, and he kind of put us all in our place. “You two may have had words,” meaning Maks and Carrie Ann, “but in fact she had a valid point.” That’s one of the things the judges know that I’ll go at them for if I feel like they’re being unfair. They, in turn, have reasons for what they’re saying. They’re happy to defend themselves.
Let’s talk about this season of Dancing with the Stars. Can you gauge audience reaction during the taping? Is there noticeable commotion when Bristol Palin gets the lowest scores but isn’t eliminated? Or when—Here’s the thing. Let’s address the Bristol thing. That’s the thing I get the biggest kick out of on the show. I’m going to put on my political hat. I’m a liberal Democrat, and I state that proudly. But I have no patience with my friends who believe there is a conspiracy keeping Bristol on the show. They’ll say, and they’re friends of a similar political persuasion though I have friends across the spectrum, “Oh, well! She’s still on the show! She’s obviously not the best dancer! She gets the lowest scores!” My response to that is similar to my response to the midterm elections. I’ll say, “OK, right. So who did you vote for instead of Bristol?” “Uh, well, I don’t vote!” “Well, then, f*ck you.” I mean, basically! You can clean that up. I have no patience for that! If you don’t participate to create a different outcome — and this can be true in national politics or a TV reality show — then don’t piss and moan if you don’t like the way it’s playing out. You know, I’m sorry! I think Bristol is clearly not the best dancer here, but she’s a charming young woman who’s shown an incredible growth from week one to this week. If she happens to get more votes for whatever reason, more power to her. If you don’t like it, vote for someone else. But that’s been the part of the show that’s amused me, how quickly people are to seize on conspiracy theories when people aren’t involved in the process.
I have to disagree with Tom about the political conspiracies surrounding the show this year. Although I think Bristol showed much improvement this week and I was impressed by her dances (and costumes, lol), I very much suspect (as others have commented) that the Tea Party has influenced this show this year. It’s debatable for sure. Here is something from E Online I found on this.
“I would assume that many people who follow Sarah Palin would also be supportive of Bristol Palin,” Dale Robertson of TeaParty.org told us via email.
Wait… So, there really is an organized, get-out-the-phone-vote effort on behalf of the somewhat-coordinated daughter of the Mama Grizzly in Chief?! Former DWTS competitor Marissa Jaret Winokur was dead-on in the New York Post?! (“I think Bristol is going to keep advancing because the Republicans are going to keep voting for her,” Winokur said.)
Er, no, not exactly.
“Bristol has done a great job,” Robertson said, “but I trust people to be objective in their decision-making rather than subjective.”
And so it went with the handful of Tea Partiers we talked to today—including the guy who all but hung up on us on account of he was kinda ticked we were asking him about DWTS.
Bristol also responds to people who say that politics give her a dancing advantage on the show which she doesn’t agree with.
More of the same here after the Results addressing criticisms and more.
Mark has posted a new blog on USA Today. Here is take from it. Be sure to read the link for more. (Heidi’s Note: I can hear the screams of laughter now as people read that Mark thinks Shawn was an underdog. LOL!!)
I’m so very grateful to our fans! Thanks to our supporters, we’re able to continue on. We’ve been working hard and are happy to be here. Aside from doing the best we can it truly is out of our hands. That’s why it’s such an honor to have the opportunity to make a run at the mirror ball trophy. And once you get to the final, all bets are off. I’ve been there with Shawn (Johnson, who won Season Eight) as the underdog. It’s anyone’s game!
As you can imagine, it’s been somewhat tense backstage. These past few days, I’ve pretty much turned on my iPod on and chilled out. The goal is to stay upbeat and loose. All of the couples deal with the pressure differently, but most of us zone out. If you don’t try to distract your mind, you’ll go crazy!
Take last week, for example. Before the Results Show. After I went to makeup, I returned to my trailer to change into my show wardrobe. I opened the trailer door and found a crowd: my managers, Bill and Steve; my mom Shirley; Bristol, her parents Sarah and Todd and her cousins Brandy and Greg. They were all hanging out, talking out their nerves and recounting all the fun moments from the season. (Plus, Mama P told me she loves reading the journal, so I have to give her a shoutout!) I’ve definitely enjoyed getting to know Bristol’s large family and they’ve been so warm, sweet, and kind to me, and I’m going to miss seeing them every week.
Remember last week when I was freaking out about having two dances? Well this week — the finale! — we have four dances! That’s four dances to choreograph, learn, rehearse, tweak, and perfect in five days. One of our dances is a freestyle dance. I’ve always had an idea in my head of what our freestyle dance would be, and I’m really excited that we get to perform it.
This is my seventh season and I’ve been fortunate enough to win the mirror ball trophy twice. But I’m proudest to have done what I believe is the true testament of this show: taking a non-performer and turning her into a dancer. And despite my previous successes, this is my most rewarding season. It feels great that all the hard work we’ve put in is paying off, and Bristol and I will do everything we can this week to give you our best dances!
I don’t know about you, but, I can’t even begin to picture Bristol being able to do FOUR DANCES??!
Lastly, here is Jennifer and Derek discussion the elimination lastnight, the “odd mixture of feelings” and more.
Kyle and Lacey being interviewed as well on the elimination and their upcoming dances.
Ok, that is all for you for now. Have a great Hump Day!
xx








I can’t agree with mark that bristol became a dancer, but… LOL
Guys, may you tell me what is all this tea party? I have no clue (I’m in Brazil, give me a tip…)
=p
Bristol is starting to grow on me. I don’t think she should win, but she comes across wonderfully in all of the interviews, as a nice, intelligent, laid-back kind of girl-next-door.
Carlos, here is a link that describes the Tea Party for you;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
I TRIED TO VOTE MONDAY NIGHT BUT WAS TOLD THAT I HAD EXCEEDED MY NUMBER OF VOTES.
I HAD NOT VOTED ONE TIME.
I USED MY HUSBANDS CELL PHONE AND GOT THE SAME MESSAGE.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW THE GUYS WHO WERE JAMMING THE VOTE LINES HAD ACCESS TO TWO OF OUR PHONE NUMBERS! tHIS IS BEYOND DISTURBING
Judy, so true. You aren’t the only one who had issues. This could have definitely played an issue with the votes.
Not a very nice interview from Maks about Bristol:
http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/marc_malkin/b211854_maksim_slams_dwts_this_season_has_just.html
I’m not quite old enough to vote yet, and I’ve never cared much about politics and the different parties and all the stress that comes with them, but I do know that I never, ever want to see another “star” like Bristol on the show again. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve actually grown to like Bristol as a person, and there’s no denying she *has* improved slowly over the weeks, but I can’t stand all of the drama and anger and problems that Bristol being on the show has caused. Mark’s been getting some not-so-nice tweets sent to him lately and earlier he tweeted he’s taking a break from Twitter until the season is over.
But on a better note, I love when people say “Happy Hump day” so the ending of this post made me smile.
Well, everyone had the same voting issues so it probably all balanced out. Vogue, hit up E! News Marc Malkin – Maks and Bristol are trading shots now. Maks is correct – I did see what he’s talking about. Only wish I had copied the link.
Carlie, thank you so much and noted for tomorrows media post. Stay tuned.
LOL Ashton! Glad you like that ending note.lol
I think the hate tweeting is ridiculous and the people who do it are sad, pathetic souls. That said, Mark is in the public eye and he needs to ignore that stuff – drawing attention to it in the way he has gives them what they want AND it makes him look like he’s asking for sympathy. But Mark has always reacted this way to hateful tweets. IGNORE!! Derek has been getting hate tweets for a very long time, first because of Shannon and now because of Cheryl C. It’s ridiculous. Let it roll off, Mark. Get tips from Derek. Although maybe Derek is the one that told him to get off Twitter, since Derek does that himself for weeks at a time.
Gotcha Heidi.
And I will try to find that bit with Bristol too. I saw the link too several times.
America is built on the fairness doctrine of morality.Why would Palin who has not accomplished any outstanding achievements in her short “political life” be selected to dance as a star?Allowing Palin to take part in this competition has,diminished the criteria that was necessary to partake.The show is now political motivated and ratings will drop.It’s no longer great entainment for honest Americans.What is her claim to fame to join with achievers like Shawn Johnson,the Osbournes,the footballers? Simple,she is a white Conservative Politician’s child.This has even diminished the values of Americans world-wide.She should never have been selected to dance,farless kept on the show and cause better dancers and real life-achievers,who performed better to be thrown off.What a shame!
dawn (Guest) 11/17/2010
I think is was unfair that all the good people were voted off the show, especially brandy and max and
Haha Vogue. I did.
I agree Heidi. I’ve only read a few of the “hate tweets” sent to Mark, but all the ones that I’m reading right now are very supportive and the sympathy thing you’re talking about? Yeah, he’s definetly getting it now. We Derek fans are going to be voting like crazy come next Monday, because his fans were already mad about the contraversy, and now they’re going to try to get back at all the haters by voting even freakin’ more. I’ll be up all night.
Lol. And about Derek’s twitter “breaks”: I hate those almost as much as I hate politics.
I am beginning by saying that I haven’t read much of anything about the Results show, or the aftermath, because I’ve simply been finding a lot of it is just overwhelming. I haven’t read a lot here, or watched the media videos, or even read the comments, because I just NEEDED to NOT pay attention to stuff.
Why? Because I think this season has become just so overwhelming to me, and it just has needed to sit and ferment, until I have to type and get it all out in one brain dump, and get you to help me sort it back out, so that it makes some semblence of sanity.
I have decided that this season is simply a repeat of Season 5, only MORESO! Season 5 was the first time (that I remember, at least) of a real shocking early exit, when Sabrina was eliminated. Coincidentally, Mark was her partner. Yes, there have been shocking exits, when a more talented person was sent home early, but this season seems to have one after another… And another… And another… And another… And another…. And another…. .
In the season 5 semi-final, Helio and Julianne, and Mel B and Maks both received 60 points, Jennie Garth and Derek received 58 points, and Marie Osmond and Jonathan received 56 points. Marie had stayed, week after week, just like Bristol, because of fan support, just like Bristol. Week after week, more talented people went home, just like Bristol. In week 9, Jennie and Derek got a perfect 30, the encore dance with their perfect dance, and then were eliminated, with Marie going to the Finals over them. Just like this season, with Brandy, Maks, Bristol and Mark.
It’s like it’s all being repeated….. Only MORESO!!!!!!!!
It feels like a repeat, with the intensity amped up to about a billion percent….
The show will go on, and eventually, this season will be a footnote, where people measure things, like Sabrina’s early departure, and Marie making the finals. Does it make things better now? No. But eventually, it’ll mellow, at least. And that, at least, is making me feel a little bit better.
Now, my thoughts about the Finale…,
Every single time that a Ballas and a Hough were in the Finals, they’ve won, for a total of 6 mirror balls. Both Derek and Mark have 2 mirror balls, and a chance for a third. Both Derek and Mark can create great freestyle routines, that take into account the AWE factor, their partners abilities, and can grab hold of the audience. Neither Derek nor Mark have ever lost when they’ve made it to the Finals.
I know people have been waiting, and hoping, that they could see a Hough/Hough finals, with Derek and Julianne battling it out…. That isn’t going to happen, but this season, we have 2 who consider themselves as brothers, battling it out.
Bristol has good technique, but I don’t think she has much in the way of performance, and that can hurt her. Jennifer has great technique, and great performance, but is very limited with what she can do, because of her physical ailments. Kyle is slightly lacking still on technique, but he is exhuberant and over the top with performance, and that COULD get him sneaking past both 2 time winners, and grab the trophy.
End of brain dump.
Just a quick observation for David who said Bristol comes across wonderfully in the interviews. I agree. But you must remember, she has been groomed for several years by some of the best public relations professionals. They had to make her “ready” for the world-wide stage when her mother was running for VP of the United States. It’s a huge stage. And she was taught early how to react (or not react) to questions, how to present herself in public, how to project the “right” image. So in a sense, she has been a performer for years, even though she was not the “star” but the “co-star”. Just a thought….
As bad as it was last night when Bristol was safe. Heidi, I honestly pitty you if Bristol wins because this site im sure will go nutts. Lol
Is it just me or does it seem eerily quiet on the site tonight? I think people are feeling slightly deflated by what they felt after the show, or by what they read here last night. It’s like all the air has been sucked out of the room.
Lori, you were smart to skip the posts last night. I found the hate in a lot of the comments more shocking and overwhelming than the result itself! You are right that it will all blow over eventually. It is only a dance show, but the vile thoughts that some people were spewing last night was a real turn off to me. I wanted to shout, “Get a grip, people. It’s only a show!” I’m hoping some cheesecake, if you’re up to it, Heidi, will lighten things up a little. Something has to change the tone before next Monday. This idea that Maks and Bristol are slammin’ each other is not going to help matters any either. I hope people will take their hateful comments to the ABC boards next week and not hang around here. Just sayin’
I always read here but I never posted before. Just read this which made me mad:
RT @OfficialMelB: @MaksimC omg my gash I am devastated,you were robbed!”
“MaksimC
And so were you my dear!
A few things: I think Maks’ choreography this season is weaker compared to other seasons. I think he hurt Brandy’s chances when complained about the judges (a lot of people can’t stand him b/c he is full of himself). Bristol may have a large following, but it may be that Brandy fans were not voting (or perhaps people thought she were safe so they concentrated on getting Kyle in (so Bristol would leave). And there are a LOT of Mark Ballas’ fans out there too. Some folks like to vote for the pros, regardless of how the star goes. And, yeah, there’s the tea party vote too. (Btw, ALL dances on Monday were extremely overscored).
I was really mad when I read Maks’ tweet to MelB. I’m sorry if the fans of his work never come through (MelB’s freestyle, IMHO, was not good). Interesting enough, in that same season, Marie Osmond, who was a weaker dancer, beat much better dancers – Jenny Garth, Sabrina Bryan, etc. – since Osmonds have a ton of votes. It seems he’s robbed every season, just had a different partner each time. I’m tired of his rants.
Who was it who predicted Kyle could possibly win it? Was it Maryanna? I am hoping Jennifer and Derek will win, but I’d be happy if Kyle won instead.
These two interviews with Bristol and Mark are so nice and they raise some good point and KYLE! LOOOOL! Brandy and Maks handled it with such class evev MAKS! Hes so right about the imbracing freedom to vote. Awesome! GREAT POST, VOGUE!!!
I agree that many people are placing a great deal of importance on the outcome of a tv show (even though it is in my Top 5 fav shows), and the mean-spirited comments seem to be everywhere. But, for me, the internet message boards are full of this same kind of meanness every day. I have an idea that most people are not reacting in that manner, regardless if they are disappointed or not. The so-called “haters” on both sides of this are most likely the same folks that spill this nonsense across the internet daily…they just have changed the subject line to be DWTS this time.
As for Maks’ Tweet to MelB. That kind of stuff doesn’t bother me at all. Having been raised around sports my whole life, I’ve heard that phrase thousands of times when someone is eliminated or lost a game…”you got robbed!”. Normal response it seems to me. He didn’t say anything hateful about anyone. If someone takes it personal, that is probably an issue they will have to deal with themselves. Like the book title says, “Your opinion of me is none of my business”.
Well Carlie I recently said Kyle has a good shot at this.
Jen and Derek, too!!! Lol! Gosh im growing on these too! Shes so fuuny! And it for me would be hillarious with all this talk bout Mark vs Derek if neither get the trophy and Lacey wins. Lol
Thanks Zach!
Great replies all!!!
Meggie, I agree how there is a quietness tonight. It’s almost that same kind of silence you get after someone dies and you are looking everywhere trying to make sense of what happened which is the case with this elimination and show this Season.
Well said, as always, Voguerista, and thanks for all the media clips!
And Lies, I have to disagree with you on Maks choreogrpahy. I’ve never thought it was “weak” this year. In fact, the exact opposite.
You’re welcome Meggie and Thanks!
xx
Vogue and Meggie, it’s also like the feeling we get here after the Season ends….. The first Monday without DWTS, and…… It’s not there!
Ewww yeah Lori, I’m dreading that time period. Loved your last post so much.
Jennifer is too funny. I laughed out loud at her “Purple Rain” comment when they were talking about Prince William.
Derek gets hate tweets too. He’s gotten them from Mark’s fans who are pissed at him because he had the audacity to be surprised last night. At the same time that they complain about hate to Bristol and Mark, they hate on Derek. I truly don’t understand people sometimes. For those crediting Mark’s fans for part of the results, well he doesn’t seem to stay in very long in any season where he doesn’t have a partner with a rock solid fan base, does he? Even with well known partners that should have respectable, if not top tier, fan bases.
The cheesecake is definitely not showing up before Friday, I can tell you that right now, Meggie. Courtney and I both are having hard time finding the funny. Although the fact that Mark has now painted his fingernails black in addition to wearing guyliner is a good place to start. Dude, seriously?
Yeah, peonies, I was just saying this to someone – was it you? on Twitter. Lots a nerve to complain and then hate on Derek. As for Mark’s fanbase – he’s in like 5th place amongst the pros in twitter followers behind Derek, Cheryl, Maks and…..Lacey? Can’t remember. Derek and Cheryl are way out in front. Certainly, those aren’t ALL fans, but I’m sure the percentages of non-fans in each list is comparable.
For the Maks fans – he’s on the People’s Sexiest Man 2010 website. Derek made the magazine – Maks might have too, not sure. Maks is under the “naughty or nice” category. LOL.
IA with Peonies717 about Mark and his fanbase. It’s like Mark either makes it or he gets eliminated early on in the season. See, it is clearly the those that support the Palin name that carried them to the final. IMO, Derek has one of the strongest pro fanbases since he has never been eliminated before the mid-season group dance and he freakin’ brought Lil Kim and Joanna Krupa to the quarter and semi-finals respectively. Those two were not expected to last so long.
Ok I didnt notice the nails thing till you pointed that out. Man Drew Barry More better watch out becuase if Mark is gonna be the next cover with Bristol dancing Vogue in the background or like Mama Palin Target practicing with other brands. Or I could maybe like an OLAY promo?..Scary man, Scary…Man Mark Ballas and Lacey Schwimmer in the finals toghether ” and you just know Lacey, Corky, and the producers are about to wet there pants with excitment that they’ll all be back next week ” I have a feeling next week will be ALOT easier for yall to find the cheese even though its sad because its the last of the best season for cheesecake YET!
I find it funny that people that do not vote themselves complain that there is a conspiracy where a certain political party is keeping one contestant on the show.
the fact remains that if a contestant gets the most votes they get to stay. If you want to eliminate a contestant then vote for those you want to keep on the show!!! That contestant is getting the most votes, therefore they get to stay and preferred contestants get sent home. It is a case of thinking that someone is “safe” because they are a better dancer.
If you don’t vote…don’t complain about those that do.
There is a man from Wisconsin who shot his TV with a shotgun when Brandy got eliminated and Bristol was going to go to the finals! He had a stand-off with the SWAT team, also! Oh my gawd, people are going crazy over this!
http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/253456/man-shoots-tv-over-bristol-palin-dwts-win-swat-team-stand-ensues
I would have loved to see Maks win but I was annoyed with his rants this season. I hope he learns to compose himself. As for Bristol being in the final performing 4 dances, I’m looking forward to that to see if she’ll still be stiff and boring. At this point I’d love to see Kyle win over Jennifer. I feel he’s more fit to perform 4 dances at a high energy level.
There has been so much outrage that Conrad Green felt the need to do an on camera interview with George Pinachio of the local Los Angeles affiliate. He states that Bristol can and might win, which I feel is a given now! Jennifer comes off as a little smug as to say, “my biggest competition is gone”. Sorry Jen, you are the next victim. You don’t deserve to go, but it is what it is. If the Judges score so closely next week, Jen is third, Kyle is second, and Bristol is the winner.
Jeanmom,
Sorry but Jen never said her biggest competition is gone. I don’t know where you got this from. She’s too much of a lady to say something like this. You know what I still feel she is going to win because she deserves it and she earned it. Bristol is a nice girl but she never should have gone this far at all. The whole show is one big joke. Kyle is a good entertainer but doesn’t deserve to win.
Bristol really needs to start up on Jenny Craig when she is gone!
Heidi:
Can you explain the dancing for the week of the finals? I just want to know if I got this straight, monday they have a freestyle. Tuesday they have to do three of their best dances, is that right? Do they get to pick the music on only the freestyle?
Thanks, Heidi! That’s what I mean! Just read your comment about Mark and the nail polish and I feel better already! You have a wicked sense of humor! Love it! It will be worth the wait!
Jeanmom, I’ve never seen Jen say her “biggest competiton is gone” either. She would never say that. It’s not in her character. If you have a link or video for where she says that, can you provide it?
Heidi and Courtney, can’t wait for our cheescake too.
Here’s the question that I wish was asked of Tom:
What do you think about stars who are not only polarizing but who bring a political or religious element? Does it help or hurt the overall vibe and tenor of the show’s season?
Reading all these comments, it’s obvious that the Sarah Palin influence has overshadowed actual dancing as well as all other couples. The bulk of this season is other pros and stars and fans reacting and responding to the Palins. I would love to know Tom’s opinion on that. Is a polarizing influence worth it overall?
I am just appalled that such a beautiful show can end up as a popularity contest rather then giving credit where credit is due. Bristol was at the bottom of the TALENT list all the way where Brandy was on the top all the way, yet,who got booted. Political?? I guess alot. Popularity? I guess. So what do you have talented judges for only to spit in their faces. I will NO longer watch DWTS-ever. For this we gave up football and other good tv shows. Shame on you ABC for such a farce!!!! Cross this household for this show and also the ice show that is coming as it will probably be more of the same shame as this show was!! Farewell ABC-go back to football!!!!!
OK Not A Fan, I voted so I guess I get to complain…this season has been such a disappointment. The fact that it is no longer about dancing is ridiculous to me. This is about the political agenda of some nutjob and her kool-aid drinking followers. The Palins are fame whores – I thought Bristol was not, but I have since changed my mind – and she is not sweet as some have said, she is downright bitchy and condescending in a couple of interviews. I understand that when your family has the ability to stir up so much polarizing emotion, you might be a little defensive, but try to have a little bit of class.
That being said, I do see conspiracies in this season!! The judges scoring was absolutely in Bristol’s favor. Everyone was scored poorly at times, but not Bristol! And the defensiveness of Mark and Tom and CAI in interviews smacks of awareness of the unfair scores. DWTS has lost credibility and even if Bristol comes in 3rd, the fact that she is even in the finals is too damaging, IMO.
Also, American Idol was #1 until they allowed the voting to be hijacked and better singers leave. Now look where they are. DWTS is heading in the same direction.
Jay, great question! I always DVR but this season, I’ve time-shifted a much greater amount so I always have room to fast-forward through everything around the Palins except Bristol’s actual performance. The political “stars” make the show much less watchable for me. I felt the same way when they had DeLay.
I feel like one of the problems is that it seems the judges score based on the audience voting of the previous week. Both Brandy and Bristol were scored 9s by all three judges on their first dance. I definitely think Bristol was way over-scored. Until the Judges are willing to score the contestants somewhat realistically, then we’re going to end up with less than stellar results. I liked the season when the judges remembered they had 3′s and 4′s as well as 9s and 10s.
The other problem is the voting. Perhaps like SYTYCD it should only be phone calls within a very limited time-frame and maybe only 1 vote per phone line. With emails allowed plus texting plus phone calls, everyone has access to way more than 5 votes — easily 15 votes. I also like that SYTYCD phones don’t open until the show has finished broadcasting. Somehow there needs to be more of a link established between the show and the voting. I could call all my friends and give them Jennifer’s phone number to start calling at 8:00 EST whether they watch the show or not. Also doesn’t SYTYCD mix up the phone numbers every week so that someone has to watch the show to get the number?
And by the way, I am a republican.
Laurie, so true about American Idol!! We are seeing the same in this show now. Sad! I hope next Season is a different story.
I have only watched online this season because of Palin and The Situation. I really did not want to watch the non dancing packages concerning Sarah Palin or the Jersey Shore. The only reason Bristol has gotten this far is that the judges were not doing their job and handling her with kid gloves….were they afraid the mom would go after them on her Facebook page. Hopefully DWTS will get away from “political stars” and reality “stars”; maybe they should incorporate the “Dance Off” so that the judges have the final say. Also, bring back Edyta…
Anyway, it is just a TV show and I am not losing sleep over it but the story regarding the man shooting his TV is disturbing; even though he is bi-polar I believe…I feel sorry for his wife and WHY does someone who is bi-polar allowed to have a gun in the first place.
Bristol has very little grace and talent. She dances well enough to go to a nice wedding party. I cannot believe that she remains on this show while more talented people are eliminated. The judges should have enough nerve to point out the truth. This is an “alternative reality” brought to you by the political right wing.
Leigh, DWTS does have a limited amount of time for phone voting, they close a half hour after the close of the show, which, if I’m remembering, is a change that started last season, since the phones used to be open for a full hour after the end of the show. And, they do limit, according to time zones. People on the show can’t start voting when they’re done dancing for the day, they need to wait for the phones to open for that time zone.
I am assuming that the same time frame for text votes, which I don’t do because I don’t use AT&T.
I do think they’ve done a bit to control the phone and text voting, but I do think they need to do something to manage the online voting, since people can create voting profiles based on fake emails.
So… What kind of changes do people here think need to be made, as far as the voting system?
I think what happened on November 18th was totally unfair,i’ve been a fan of DWTS from the very beginning and I don’t always agree with the outcome or even with the comments from the judges but they are the experts …..but this is ridiculous, people are using the loophole in your voting system to push Bristol into the finals…this is called cheating,this has become political, ..some people don’t care…what does this do for the finals ..the pros and other contestants are working for nothing if this continues,I think they should discredit the last votes and keep all 4 couples for the finals and let ONLY the judges decide and then for next season correct the voting system,you need something like SYTYCD where at the end the judges make final call…this is more just .
Regards P.
validate email accounts, maybe. put one of those “i’m human” thingy. That’s all. I don’t know what % votes online though. I read somewhere that TPTB can tell who’ll be in the B2 by monday night.
I don’t know what would make it more fair as far as audience votes. I guess some sort of a verification of email addresses, or make the audience the 4th judge instead of 50/50? The phone systems were awful on Monday night, and the online voting was a joke. I don’t even know if my votes counted because I kept getting errors. When the system goes down like that, they need to have some sort of plan B – such as not eliminating anyone. And DWTS should tell the viewing public who is in the bottom 2. Is this the first year they’ve not been straight about that?
I wonder if there were this many people who were appalled when Kelly O or Marie Osmond made it to the finals? The answer is, NO. Its just because shes a Palin Im so freakin sick of hearing about it. Shes in final wether anyone likes it or not, and the show ends next week. I read where one man shot at his TV! ITS JUST A DANCE SHOW, In the words of one very saine person who I respect. Derek Hough.
Er, guys? This show has ALWAYS been a popularity contest. It’s just that this season it is being taken to cartoonish extremes.
I keep going back to the same thing – if the judges did their job and did scored each of the contestants similarly, this never would have been an issue. Even if there are 500 Bristol fans using a hundred fake accounts, they wouldn’t have been able to keep her around. Period. When they gave her an 18 for wearing a monkey suit and forgetting most of her steps, they sealed the fate of this season. Particularly when Michael Bolton got…4s? For the dog house and equally bad dancing. Jennifer screws up the end of an otherwise good dance and got a 6 from one of them – if Bristol had done that same dance in the same way, she would have gotten 8s. THAT is the problem. The fans ARE doing what fans (except the fake account thing – that’s wack) will do – but the judges aren’t.
Guys, ignore jeanmom – she has a tendency to make things up and twist them around.
Margaret – the final week is a little different every season. Not sure how they’re going to do it this time out. Pretty sure they will do two dances (Freestyle and judges choice?) on Monday, then a relay and a repeat dance on tuesday. Not sure though.
Laurie, it’s actually rare that they reveal the bottom two. If they don’t, then they can keep things surprising. And they can put people who need more votes in “jeopardy” to stimulate more voting.
Zack, Kelly at least danced much better than what Bristol has been doing. Bristol’s paso was her first dance where I feel like she actually earned a 25 or a 26 – of course she got a 27, but…
And yes, lots of people were outraged that Marie made it to the finals over the much more capable Jennie. LOTS. Problem is, this season she didn’t take just one better dancer out, but at least 3. Maybe 4.
I also remember people being outraged when Marie made it to the finals. Also remember season one when Kelly won over John…..everyone was screaming because she made a mistake yet the judge’s gave her a perfect score and she was in the bottom two a couple of times in the beginning. Everyone thought it was rigged because she was on an ABC soap…
Make judging fair…have a dance off with the actual bottom two and let the judge’s have the final say
Crap. I wasn’t going to post anymore, but I have to. People who associate with the Tea Party mainly have an ideal about how they think the government should be run, how it should be involved in people’s lives. That’s it. If that’s crazy, then all of us who have an idea about that are crazy. That said, the majority of Tea Partiers probably (and I say probably, because I haven’t done a statistically controlled poll) DON’T CARE ABOUT DWTS. Some of them like Sarah Palin. Some of them don’t. Are there a few who are posting on sites and tweeting to bring votes to Bristol? Undoubtedly! Are they having an impact on the majority of those who associate themselves with the Tea Party? Probably not! They certainly are giving the media and every Tea Party-hater, Palin-hater out there a subject for conversation, though. And giving everyone whose favorite was voted off DWTS a really GOOD reason why it happened and why it was SO unfair.
And the whole debate on whether Bristol qualifies as a celebrity? We should be way past that (what’s done is done), but it keeps coming up. Again, the definition of a celebrity is “well-known.” Which, if I think about it, makes her MORE qualified to, say, me, than Kyle or Audrina or even Rick or Kurt or the numerous others who have participated before who I wouldn’t have known from Adam if I had walked into them on the street.
Personally, I really try (don’t always succeed) to NOT decide what a person is thinking or feeling based on a few sentences spoken/tweeted. (Geez, you can be married to someone for 40 years and never know what they are thinking…). I don’t know, can only guess, what Bristol or her mother or Jennifer, etc. are thinking or what motivates them.
The judge’s scoring? I’m not qualified to be a ballroom dance judge, so whether or not their scores are fair or not, I’m trying not to say. Obviously, they have not scored Bristol, or Kyle for that matter, on exactly the same criteria as Jennifer or Brandy, nor is their judging entirely objective. This cannot be a surprise and cannot be different from previous seasons.
Vote for who you want, for the reason you want. It’s the U.S.A. And it’s a television show. It’s the media and the public that have turned this into a political circus, not Bristol. She was asked, she didn’t beg to come on the show. Her mother didn’t beg for her. Is Sarah Palin exploiting it? Heck, I don’t know and don’t care. All I’ve seen is what appears to be valid support of her daughter. It would have been odd indeed if the “package” on Monday hadn’t mentioned the 2008 campaign at all, since it was the basis for Bristol being “well-known.”
(Am I repeating myself? I feel like I’m repeating myself…I apologize for that. And yes, I’ve supported Bristol from the beginning. I like her. I think that what appears to be a relatively low-key, reserved personality tends to translate to some as not caring and not working hard, which may not be the right conclusion. I don’t think she thought she was going get this far, nor do I think she was working for a win…but perhaps she is now. Btw, the “I thinks” are just that…no definitive judgment on what Bristol is or is not thinking/feeling.)
I doubt people were shooting at their TVs over it when Marie beat out Jennie.lol Eh? Bristol has finally grown into as good of a dancer as Kelly was. I think, But probably wasnt until last moday night.
I have this theory that the judges overscored Bristol because she was getting an avalanche of votes and they didn’t want to anger the voting public. That’s the only way I can explain her not getting 3′s for that horrible monkey suit dance.
You can’t judge an entire group of people who don’t like Bristol by ONE wacko guy who shot his TV – that’s just extreme. And hyperbolic. And insulting.
Point is, Bristol shouldn’t have been given a pass that so many others weren’t.
Carlie, I don’t know that I believe the judges are aware of the voting – that would be totally ridiculous, since it would lead to exactly the scenario you are talking about. However, I might be inclined to believe they think they were being easy on the “kid”.
It was a joke, Heidi…:D, I just doubt seriously that there was this much of an internet firestorm over Marie, alot of people angry? Sure, But I doubt it was at this extreme.
As I’ve stated before, I truly think the judges were being nice to her based on her age and lack of entertainment experience. They’ve done it before, and I can’t say that I would be perfectly objective if it were me handing out scores. To have a young and impressionable, probably very sensitive, kid out there – even if you don’t THINK you are coddling them, I think there’s a high chance you are. By contrast, Michael Bolton was a long experienced entertainer with a a bit of an attitude and obviously hadn’t worked as hard at the dancing as most of the other contestants. So they laid into him cause it’s easy on their conscious to do so. But a young, single mother that by all appearances looks like a deer in headlights? I’m pretty sure they were just trying to be encouraging. Too bad it backs them into a corner when she does show some improvement and then starts getting all those 9′s.
And on that note, LOLLOL at this article on Sarah Palin’s new book:
“In excerpts from her upcoming memoir, “America by Heart: Reflections on Family, Faith, and Flag,” the former vice-presidential candidate slams the reality show for hosting what she refers to as “talent deprived” contestants.
“Did you ever wonder where the producers of ‘American Idol’ come up with the seemingly endless supply of people who can’t sing but are deluded enough to get in front of a national television audience and screech out a song anyway?” Palin asks in the book.
Palin, whose daughter Bristol Palin is currently on the reality show “Dancing With the Stars,” goes on to say those unqualified contestants who appear on “Idol” are “victims of the cult of self-esteem.”
“No one they’ve encountered in their lives — from their parents to their teachers to their president — wanted them to feel bad by hearing the truth,” she writes. “So they grew up convinced they could become big pop stars like Michael Jackson.”
But it’s not all criticism. Palin praises former judge Simon Cowell for dishing out hard truths to the competitors.
“Cowell can be a little harsh at times, but he upholds the highest standards and something in us recognizes and responds to that,” she writes. “Unfortunately Cowell is almost alone in his willingness to tell hard truths.”
Palin further argues that “hard truths” are necessary, as “a growing chorus of voices is trying to convince our kids that hard work isn’t necessary anymore.”
I love how this season is suddenly so ‘different’ and ‘shocking’. Suddenly, there are a bunch of conspiracy theories and tea parties happening. This is DWTS people! Talent only matters for the first few weeks, before the judges render themselves irrelevant. This is known! It’s certainly not unheard of for a ‘bad’ dancer to make it to the finals. Yet suddenly people are deluding themselves into thinking this is a talent competition. So why all the anger and outrage? Could this truly be something worthy of outrage? just be another manifestation of Palin Derangement Syndrome? As far as I know Bristol (not her mother) are on DWTS. Yes, she is not the best dancer, but DWTS has never been about actual talent. All of you conspiracy nuts/Palin haters just make me laugh.
P.S. I also seem to recall someone suggesting Bristol may be being underestimated in the power rankings (clears throat
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Figamentation: What does American Idol have to do with DWTS? (I’m asking, not being sarcastic…but I get the impression that American Idol is for people who want to be professional singers? And that DWTS isn’t really about wanting or thinking one is good enough to become a professional dancer? That would make them very different things, not really comparable. I’d be very surprised to find out that Bristol or her mother sees a future in professional dance for Bristol.)
The man who shot the t.v. should really, really NOT be considered an example of anything, except someone who doesn’t belong on the street. I caught a glimpse of that story, and I thought that it said the police had been called on him before, for domestic violence? (Or perhaps I read the domestic violence thing into what I saw…)
Ellen thinks Jennifer will win
http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/11/16/royal-wedding-celebrity-brides-bridal-gowns-planning-engagement-ring-million-dollars-kate-middleton-princess-diana-prince-william-jessica-simpson-vanessa-minnillo-nick-lachey-allie-fedotowsky-zoe-saldana/
Sorry wrong link
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/11/dancing-with-the-stars-ellen-degeneres-says-portia-de-rossi-flattered-to-be-asked.html
@Semi-knowledgable
I tend to agree with this article. This is a very different show this season, it’s unheard of for someone with such little dance ability to go so far.
http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/18/bristol-palin-dancing-with-the-stars
Well, Fig, the Palin’s are nothing if not hypocrites.
I wonder if she would say the same thing if the judges were more “honest” about Bristol’s dancing.
Semi? Watch your butt about the name calling or I’ll block you. I’ve had just about all the sanctimonious crap I can take on this subject – actually on BOTH sides of the issue. We can be disappointed or not like the results and discuss it without being “conspiracy nuts” or being “outraged” even thinking it’s terribly different or being “deluded” – you’ve approaching all manner of lines, so cut it out. Yeah, we mentioned on several occasional that Bristol could be getting votes – that has nothing to do with liking it. Us not agreeing with you doesn’t entitle you to that tone.
All of you best watch your step – the normal humor with which Courtney and I view this show has been sucked dry to the point that we’re really not in a Cheesecake mood – and it ain’t Bristol’s fault. All of you are starting to harsh my fandom.
Princess Heidi – I appreciate your perspective on the scoring situation this season. I have watched the past ten seasons, and I think I have a feel for the scoring and when the judges call people out for messing up or too simple choreography and the like. But this season those rules seemed to go out the window. I agree that that seems to be the problem this season. I don’t have a problem with a strong fan base voting vociferously, regardless of their motivation. That is part of the structure of the show. But what makes the show enjoyable and makes it more than just a strict popularity contest is the judges critiques and scoring. Sometimes the critiques even more than the scores. I think the judges’ critiques often mold public opinion to a great degree.
This season we saw them ream Michael Bolton for his jive and give low scores, and then give encouraging comments to Bristol for her poor jive and decent scores.
I’m sure y’all don’t have the time necessary, but I would love to see a historical analysis of some of the scoring!
My feeling about what happened with the judges and Bristol is that they were very kind to her for several weeks assuming she would be gone soon enough anyway. Then, by the time they realized she had a very strong voter base they didn’t want to suddenly turn on her.
I think for long-time fans of the show it is disconcerting because they certainly have never had a problem criticizing poor dancing in anyone else.
I wouldn’t mind Bristol getting through to the finals so much if I felt like the judges had been more straight when critiquing her performances.
Does anyone think they are going to make them redo their jive?
Thanks so much for this site – it has really helped me keep my sanity through this crazy season
@Mary
I don’t recall that article being written when Jerry Rice was a finalist.
I don’t recall that article being written when Marie Osmond was a finalist.
I don’t recall that article being written when MasterP outlasted 3 other contestants.
I don’t recall that article being written when Kate Gosselin outlasted 3 other contestants.
Yet that article appears when Bristol Palin makes it into the finals. Watch Marie Osmond flop around in that doll routine and tell me again how a great dancer she was. Not only do I disagree with the article, I disagree with the premise of the article suggesting DWTS had credibility to lose. Additionally those ‘TV Insiders’ are very definitive sources of information. While these ‘TV Insiders’ may say what they want, I’m quite sure they’re more than happy with all of the publicity Bristol’s results has generated for them.
People weren’t as upset about Marie or Kelly because they weren’t miles behind other contestants, even though they weren’t the best. Plus it was a lot easier to see why people would like them and actually pick up the phone and vote. Bristol’s beaten out better dancers AND people with better personalities. In any other season, I would expect someone like Kurt to make it to the finals, based more so on personality than dancing. I think that’s why people are more outraged this season. They don’t understand it because this has never happened before. I don’t really think politics is the main part of the negative feelings towards Bristol. Most people I’ve talked to, online and in person, just don’t like her dancing or personality, but some people probably don’t know where else to put the blame, and they need to take it out on something.
Just thought I’d post a positive article about Jennifer
and Dereks wonderful accomplishment of a perfect night last Monday.
http://www.examiner.com/television-in-tampa-bay/dancing-with-the-stars-update-jennifer-grey-derek-hough-waltz-dwts-video
Suz, I think you just pretty much hit the nail on the head. That’s the big issue in a nut shell – and they damn well better be making her redo her Jive. I think I will do a little actual research on the scoring, because I certainly do feel there has been a change this season.
Semi – you are just being disingenuous, IMO. Equating someone who lasted three or four weeks to someone who made it to the finals? And I do believe there was such an article for Kate Gosselin. You are giving Bristol too much credit – the doll dance was horrible but Marie was a better dancer overall than Bristol.
Talk about circling the wagons and doing damage control, Conrad Green having to defend his scoring system for the first time on camera is really interesting. Perception is reality, and right now it’s not looking good for the show. I hope they right the ship, because as popular as a show can be it can hit the skids just as hard.
@Heidi, I was not equating someone who lasted three or four weeks to someone who made a final. I was merely pointing out other times when DWTS ‘credibility’ could be called into question. The article posted suggested DWTS credibility would be called into question.
Marie being a better dancer is a matter of opinion. To my eye, Marie was a better performer, however she showed limited improvement in her technique as the season progressed and made up for it w/ her performance. Bristol’s technique has gotten better through the course of the season. I give full credit to Mark on the job he did teaching that girl. In any event, there was a pretty large talent gap between Marie and the other finalists that season.
As far as being disingenuous, let’s take a look…
You yourself pointed out the show is a popularity contest, not a dance show (Post #57). You have posters going into full bore rants about her mother (Post #68) and yet I’m being disingenuous. This is not meant as disrespect, I’m just stating my opinion like everyone else here. If this post gets me banned, so be it. It’s your site. You’re free to ban who you wish. My opinion is just that, my opinion. Like yourself, I believe if the judges didn’t render themselves irrelevant every season, this isn’t an issue.
For whatever reason, Bristol is very popular and is getting votes. This irks people and I find it amusing.
Bristol is in the same category as Heather Mills…Heather was not a star…she was the ex-wife of one but she did have a disability and I think one of the reasons she was on was to show that people with disabilities can dance..and Heather was adequate but she left at an appropriate time…the judge’s did not handle her with kid gloves either. They scored her appropriately. This season, that all went out the window and I think that is why people are upset.
While I know this requires giving the judges a huge benefit of the doubt, it is possible that a live performance has a very different effect than one seen on TV. Not sure if Bristol’s getting kid glove treatment from both Len and Bruno, but as usual when the judges start over scoring, they render themselves irrelevant. This seems to be a recurring pattern in every season, not just this one.
Im hoping to redo her Jive too, Heidi. At the time I was all ” She got underscored ” after watching it again I see it majorly sucked ” Dont worry Bristol I still love you
” Silly ole me
. I actually wanna see her Jive again minus ofcourse the monkey suits because I they really threw her off and apparently she did well in the dress rehearsel and she has grown as a dancer now so it’ll be interesting.
Semi, if you’re NOT being disingenuous, then you’re not very smart. Take your pick. You are still equating people who didn’t go to the final with one who did, and people who were better dancers than Bristol. DWTS is not going to have credibility issues if a crappy dancer lasts three or four weeks – but the finals?? Well, if you don’t get that there is no hope for you. You also don’t seem cognizant of the fact that once or twice is one thing, but when it starts happening more often, the credibility is more likely to take a hit. Rarely is ones credibility damaged by one minor incident.
You also seem to miss the fact that recognizing something is a popularity contest doesn’t mean one is OKAY with that little fact. As for rants – well, as long as they’re not attacking or being condescending to other posters you’ll just have to deal with it without doing either of those things. And you use several key words that indicate that maybe you aren’t able to do that. Carry on – we’ll see if you can handle it. Your “amusement” risks turning you into a condescending prig – and that’s when I’ll just delete you. I’m over it.
@Heidi: I’m sorry if you’ve reduced yourself to name-calling. You’re free to think I’m being disingenuous or ‘not very smart’. I guess if you don’t agree with Heidi, you’re ‘disingenuous’ or ‘not very smart’. Thank you for the hospitality. If you didn’t understand the point of the article posted, then I’m sorry. Perhaps I didn’t state my thesis to your liking. The article discussed DWTS credibility, not who makes the finals. I merely pointed out examples of where the credibility could be called into question. Since you yourself stated it was a popularity contest, I can only assume you were OKAY with that little fact. As far as dealing with other posters, it’s your blog, not mine. I find it interesting that you seem to be having trouble dealing with my postings. If you look closely, you may find we agree more than you realize.
Thanks for proving my point, Semi – keep doing it. I love it when people show others that I’m right. Name calling? Look in the mirror sweetheart. You are the one that’s having trouble here. You don’t seem to get much of what I say – or should I say you don’t WANT to. And having trouble dealing with your postings?? No, I just don’t agree with much of what you say – you have a bit of trouble with hyperbole, don’t ya?
I always find it interesting when people take that tack with anyone who disagrees with them – it’s pretty insecure, actually.
Heidi #79: “I think I will do a little actual research on the scoring, because I certainly do feel there has been a change this season.”
Me too. Would love to read any research on that!
KUDOS TO DWTS FOR THIS YEARS RESULTS, IT IS GREAT TO SEE TWO PEOPLE WHO KNEW NOTHING ABOUT BALL ROOM DANCING TO GROW AS THEY HAVE. EVERYONE HAS PUT IN A LOT OF HARD WORK, BUT TWO OF THEM HAVE PROGRESSED THE MOST. HOPE ONE OF THEM WIN.