Dancing With The Stars 12, Week 8 – Las Vegas Odds Before The Show
Well, our dancing couples have almost defied the Las Vegas Odds every week. Let’s see if this upcoming week is any different? Once again, the odds makers have Hines in first place. Note how they have Romeo and Ralph tied for third which surprises me a little after the disappointing week Romeo had last week. But, what do we know? Kirstie is in last. Let’s hope she really has a show stopping, clean dance this week to put her on the map. (Heidi’s Note: Eh, they’ve pretty much copped out – Hines at nearly even money and then essentially a 3 way tie for second place?? Really, Ralph and Romeo are only a half point behind Chelsea, with Kirstie in last place, which means they are as clueless as the rest of us. 
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1. Hines Ward 4/5
2. Chelsea Kane 5/1
3. Lil’ Romeo 11/2
4. Ralph Macchio 11/2
5. Kirstie Alley 15/2
So, who do you think or hope is the couple to leave this week? I hope it’s Chelsea and Mark. If not them, Romeo and Chelsie. Just please don’t let it be Kirstie and Maks! (Heidi’s Note: This week it’s all about the scores. Will they overscore Chelsea and underscore Kirstie in an attempt to get the Final Four they want? Unfortunately, that will likely only hurt Romeo.)
I don’t know who I “hope” is the couple to leave this week, but I doubt it’ll be KanenBall… I have the odds in my head, lol, but I won’t say it aloud. Up until recently, I used to think RomeTower stood a very good chance.. but I’m not so sure anymore! It feels as though it’s anyone’s competition now. A lot more than before anyway!
Well, I’m hoping for Romeo and Chelsie to go home this week. I think it’s gonna be close and it’s gonna be one interesting show to watch.
I hope Mark and Cheslea will be the next who leave.
Because I love Mark Ballas.
Strange,isnt it?
@Evaine – Ditto what you said!
why is it o.k. for Kirstie and Maks to stay when they are consistently the weaker couple. Who gets a 9 when they completely forget steps?
Because I love Kirstie and Maks and they make me happy to watch.
According to Karina’s twitter they are trying to deal with an injury.
Wonder what it is.
She has yet to have a show stopping clean dance when Chelsia and Mark have been consistently edgy and entertaing and Romeo is improving every week. (a slight set back last week, but he at least did all the steps). I understand the Kirstie media blitz, but for the life of me.. didn’t we see this last season? Palin got by every week because of popularity and better couples got voted off. Kirstie has had ONE great dance (cha cha) which they even repeated in the solo of the group dance. Last season Maks said this show wasn’t about the best dancer, its popularity and entertainment. I guess this proves him right.
I’m sure Kirstie does. She’s milking it for all its worth and the media loves her. Maks comes down on her, she cries, the media weeps and people chastise Maks. Says he’s too hard. REALLY? So he coddles, takesd his shirt off, she does “Kirstie” they go on Oprah and everybody’s happy. Mindless.
DWTS used to be about incredible entertaining choreography. I guess its now which star can create the most buzz.
I’d be behind the Kirstie train if she danced like she deserves the adulation. But she doesn’t.
William, I feel Kirstie has made up for any mistakes with the entertainment factor. Besides haven’t they all had their mistakes and issues? I think so.
I don’t have a problem with the popularity aspect of the show. I don’t know what people are complaining about, it’s been that way from the start. Jerry Rice wasn’t the best dancer but the viewers voted him through to 2nd place over better dancers. Nothing’s changed now. The viewers can overpower the judges if they want.
I have to say, I didn’t understand last season with Bristol because I couldn’t understand why she was popular, she wasn’t remotely likeable to me.
But I understand with Kirstie because I find her likeable and entertaining to watch. I don’t have a clue about the technical side of dancing and I’d imagine not a lot of viewers do. I go by the dance I enjoy watching the most. Kirstie always puts on a performance and I hope she gets to stay (as long as she doesn’t beat Hines, lol!).
They make mistakes but their choreo is harder. Kirstie is entertaining. But is she entertaining with her dancing? No. She knows it and Maks knows it. So they are staying because of the fan base. Which is what’s it all about yes? This adoration for Kirstie (and I’m not even including Maks because he’s just window dressing) is a bit much. But she’s entertaing so I guess that over rides being a DANCE competition. I feel bad for the other celebs who are truly putting performing amazing routines, while Kirstie does elementary work and is “entertaining” so everyone looks the other way. Seems a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
Popularity is one thing. Overzealous adoration is another. But you are right. It is about the people.
But some people (myself) would love to see Kirstie go to finals, as long as her dances are at least up to par as others. (or at least attempt to be). I know I am in the minority about it. But people are indeed interesting. Double standards are fascinating.
I would like to see her prove that she’s morphing into a entertaining dancer, not an funny actress who’s dropping weight and everybody loves but her dancing is mediocre and that’s o.k.
But at least she’s entertaining.
William, I like what the judges said on Kirstie’s footwork and owning the stage here. She’s not lacking in technique as much as you might think;
William, I have to ask if you’re actually watching the show this season – because I haven’t seen anyone say Maks is too hard on her and believe me, I would be the first to say so. I don’t exactly hold back on my opinions.
And this show has NEVER been about JUST the dancing, it’s always been a popularity contest. This is not a new thing. That said, there is not a perfect team in this group, including Chelsea and Mark. They are not even the best dancers, IMO. They could be if Mark would quit f@#king around.
I still say Bristol was not as popular as people like to think, Jenny – the judges scores play a huge role and they were over scoring her the whole way through. The people she beat were those already easy to beat.
Princess I’m watching and have been from the beginning. Last week people came down on Maks saying he was too harsh. It was the first time he has been truly vocal all season (in the pkges). (at least what they want to show) As for her footwork.. Compare Kirstie’s work to the other dancers. Her routines are very simple. Maks is making it so. They are playing to her strengths which arent that great.
People understand, no need to start this I LOVE KIRSTIE and here’s why. Kirstie is winning because she’s entertaining and people love her and her dancing is adequate. It is what it is. You don’t have to prove how great she is. (cuz she’s not) But at least be honest enough to say her winning has nothing to do with her dance skills.
I am. People have been hyping her up since she stepped out. I have no problem with it, just be honest about it. Who cares about a MB. It’s all about publicity, milking the public with diet drinks (and people buying it, not even thinking that the drink doesn’t work unless you dance every day) and tweet innuendos. Public loves it. I don’t buy into it. But that’s me.
Princess you say the show has never been about JUST the dancing. That is true. But dancing was a part of it I thought. Kirsties jive last week was terrible. People know that but it was indeed entertaining so tha’s o.k. Now have a entertaining good jive and I can see the adoration.
Kirstie can come on the stage, stumble through a whole routine, laugh and do KIRSTIE and she still get voted through. She’s laughing all the way to the bank.
I don’t really understand why they have Ralph and Romeo tied, but what do I know? And, I admit, I’m biased when it comes to Ralph, LOL Just love him! Sure hope he and Karina will still be able to dance, and dance up to their full potential.
I think Ralph and Karina are under rated.They are amazing as are Hines and Kym.
Kirstie’s jive last week was indeed fairly awful – but upon watching it a few times, I realised that it wasn’t the clusterf**k that I originally thought it was. But most of the time, William, her footwork is damned good.
And why do I adore her? Because she’s 60 freaking years old, overweight, outspoken, funny as hell, earthy and she obviously adores my Maks. And she’s enjoying the hell out of every dance she does. Even Maks says so in interviews. He couldn’t get angry at her for screwing up the jive because when he looked over at her she was having the time of her life. She’s loving every bit of the process. That’s why I adore her. I relate to her.
William, you are picking fights where there are none to be had. No one here is saying that Kirstie is the best dancer. What we ARE saying is that she’s highly entertaining and that counts, whether you like it or not. Also, no one HERE came down on Maks – and here is the only thing that counts in these discussions.
You claim to have no problem with it? Then why are you writing post after post about it?
As for your second post – again you are splitting hairs. I said it’s not “Just” about the dancing and you say dancing is part of it – THAT’S THE SAME THING using different words. You are saying the exact same thing as I am but for some reason you want to argue about it. In what universe does saying “It’s not just about the dancing” mean that dancing doesn’t matter at all?? Because that’s what you’re trying to claim. Read what you wrote again and then move on.
wow.. I’m picking fights because I don’t agree with the status quo? Why is that always the case? You want to bump Kirstie up. Good for you. I don’t see the hype. That’s my opinion. Argue? I’m stating my opinion. You like her. Good for you. I admire Evaine for speaking the truth.
I just wish others would do the same. Never said anyone HERE said Maks came down on her. I said some did and I meant in the media.
I can’t post because I don’t agree with the media sensation? Well I didn’t know you were the posting police. I just said I wish people would be honest, which Evaine did and I thank him/her for that.
Princess you need to stop getting upset over someone else’s opinion on a board.
and she IS laughing all the way to the bank because she’s an entertainer and back in the spotlight which she craves. (as all entertainers do). As far as Maks is concerned, I think he finally learned that quality isn’t the only factor in DWTS. If it was, he would have won with Mel, Laila, Erin or even Brandy. It’s popularity, that’s the name of the game. He finally woke up. IMHO.
William, you need to chill – NOW. You are bombarding (or rather, spamming) this post with the same redundant stuff and refusing to just accept that people don’t agree with you. LET IT GO. If you won’t, I’ll just start deleting, because this is going nowhere and now you’re just taking up space. And honey, I suggest you don’t tell one of the moderators to “stop getting upset over someone else’s opinion” – you were the one that came in swinging. Heidi’s stating her opinion – calmly & intelligently. Move on to another topic or I’ll move onto one for you.
@William – Wow. Take a valium, dude.
I’ve been reading puredwts all season, and all I’ve seen is comments about Kirstie being adorable and entertaining. Definitely not the best dancer, as all of us have noted. That being said, Evaine nailed it – she’s 60, overweight, and funny. In short, she’s real, and it makes people vote for her. And yes, DWTS is something of a popularity contest – I’d actually call it an *entertainment contest*. If you are a bad dancer, and your personality sucks (cough-KENDRA! cough-KENDRA!), then it turns everyone off. If you’re trying, and you’re real, and people can relate to you, then they vote for you. There are always celebs that overstay their welcome because of voters – Master P comes to mind.
All of that being said, your posts impress me as being combative and argumentative. At the end of the day, it’s an entertainment show… so take a deep breath, OK?
All of the above is just my opinion, by the way.
Oh William, I so love that you are so confident to state your opinion. What I didn’t like so much is that you seem to have felt (in my own opinion) that you were being verbally berated for your opinion. Again, that’s what it seemed like, in my opinion.
One thing I like about this site, is that it is different from the board at the network site…. People here get along, and they respect the different opinions that each person shares. Every once in a while, there appears someone who seems to be determined to argue with everyone…. We don’t care for that. Sharing your opinion respectfully will get you much better results.
And, welcome! I hope you stick around!
I see people here don’t want to hear opposing sides.
No problem. Delete my posts since it goes against everyone elses. Don’t see how I’m being combative.
Personally I think she’s getting a free ride but apparantly America loves her and she’s the best thing ever!
If she wins (and she will) I hope she enjoys the ride.
Oh.. I’m a guy BTW. People don’t have to agree with me. I knew coming in that wasn’t going to happen.
I just wanted to voice another “small” minority side.
William, Dear, I AM the posting police – hence the green color. And yes, you are picking fights because you are saying things that NO ONE is disagreeing with, yet you’re trying to make it into a disagreement. You are splitting hairs and clearly you don’t understand what that means.
Also, DO NOT tell me when to get upset or not get upset – either way is an assumption of my attitude at any given time which is a mistake and NOT on topic of this board.
William, it’s all in how you say it. What words you choose etc… I disagree constantly with Heidi and Courtney, so you know, it can be done.
I do, however, take exception to your term “a free ride”. If you don’t think Kirstie is working her ASS off (in more ways than one) then I don’t know what you’re watching. Maybe it’s because you’re a guy? I’m not, BTW, I’m a woman a few years younger than Kirstie. And trust me, she is NOT getting anything like a free ride.
I sense maybe you think Kendra should have stayed around longer…??
Oh and now the “oh poor me” posts start. Lovely.
This what I’m saying.. not being combative..when Kirstie first she said she didn’t want a different dance than a 25 year old. I admired that. She didn’t wanted to be treated differently. Now to give her a 9 on a poor dance and the comments received were not stellar to me is being treated differently. For everyone to be ready for a solo dance and they not is being sweep under the rug. Differently.
That’s my whole point. Enjoy and be entertained but at least let SOME of the dances live up to these praises. Kirstie should have an OUTSTANDING tango because tangos are one of Maks’s forte’. If she gives it all and have a amazing tango, I’ll be first to clap. If its mediocre, I will be disappointed. Again.
And if we were judging based on the last dance, I would have kept Kendra. She maybe crass, but she was improving at every dance. Her last dance with Louie was excellent.
William – I agree with you completely about Kirstie getting a 9 for her jive. And if I recall correctly, Heidi said basically the same thing – no way that was worth a 9. The phrase around here is that the judges must be on crack…
But after Donnie (Donny? Donnye? 
) Burns holds up the 9 paddle, what ya gonna do? I think Kirstie and Maks both were surprised by it.
As for Kendra, you’re right there as well. Her last dance was a big improvement. It almost made me sad to see her leave – almost. But I, for one, had enough of the discussion of “hormones”, her declaration that she didn’t care about elegance, the near-constant tears… it just wore on me.
To reiterate what Lori said, I hope you hang around on this site as well. Other, differing opinions are always interesting to me. And I don’t see your last post as combative. I hope you took my criticism as I meant it – in a friendly fashion.
Oops. Spoke too soon…
Yeah, he just blew it for sure now by calling names.
“Her last dance with Louie was excellent.”
Go to You Tube and watch it again. Louis dragged her around for most of the dance.
William, people here can “voice another small minority side”. I did that in another post where I commented that I don’t care for Ralph’s dancing ….and believe me I am in the minority on that one! No one blasted me for that (thankfully-ha). Like Evaine said, it’s how you choose your words. You seem almost angry about Kirstie, don’t quite get that.
Anyway..you like Ralph, I don’t. I like Kirstie, you don’t. Be pretty damn boring if we all felt exactly the same.
Don’t even remember what this post was about!!!
hope romeo is going to go home
Here is the problem – neither Courtney, Vogue or I care if someone doesn’t agree with us. We will argue, discuss, debate until the cows come home though – if you can’t handle it, this ain’t the place for you. Where it ALWAYS goes wrong is when certain posters don’t like being disagreed with and have to start making their posts about other people who are commenting. If you cannot see the difference between saying “I don’t agree because of x, y, and z” and “Well, you don’t want to hear opposing views” or “all you people just love Kirstie even though she sucks” then you will get into an unpleasant argument. And the problem ISN’T what is being said about Kirstie, but what you are saying or implying about other people on this site. Any time you use the words “you all” or just “YOU”, you’re making it about ME or Courtney or whoever you’re responding to, instead of about the topic at hand. That’s almost always where we have problems here.
I hope Romeo & Chelsie stay and Chelsea & Mark go.
Romeo and Chelsie need a REALLY good dance, I’m afraid. I hope they do it. I would rather they stay as well. I find Romeo very endearing.
Hey Heidi… I just did math!! heehee….
I was going through this thread again, and looking at the comments, and noticed, William, that your name popped up quite a bit, so my curiosity got the best of me, and I went and counted 13 posts. And, there was only 40 people ahead of me… (unless someone hits post before me)
So, I am smart enough to realize that THAT is more than 25% of the commenting, but that isn’t something I can do in my head. I also am never positive which number goes into the calculator first, so I’m only guessing now….
13 out of 40 posts is a 32.5% posting rate for this thread.
And I have come to the conclusion over the last few seasons, that the judges judge each celebrity according to what the judges feel is their potential, not necessarily judging and scoring them against each other. Kirstie’s potential isn’t Chelsea’s potential, and the two should not have equal difficulty in their choreography. It is up to the professional to balance what their celebrity can do and what they can’t do… Strengths and weaknesses. Honestly, I know that you loved that Louis had been giving Kendra harder choreography, and I do think it backfired…. She looked like she was terrified, and I did notice him flinging her in spots…. I would have loved if he had given her simpler choreography, just for her confidence in the dance…. It’s okay to up the difficulty, but if your celebrity partner ends up scared about it, it could be too much of a risk.
I’d rather have Chelsea/Mark be eliminated next (have never enjoyed them), but it will most likely be Romeo/Chelsie if they don’t step up and get more 10s this week. IMO, I think the finals will consist of Ralph, Hines, and Kirstie because they have large fanbases and they are entertaining. Chelsea is a great dancer, but I think that she and Mark have come off quite badly this season (mostly Mark though). People want to see the contestants that ENTERTAIN them in the final. Unfortunately, it’s not just about dance quality. It’s about whose journey you want to see continue on the show and I think a lot of people have invested in Ralph and Kirstie and Hines has just been so consistent with a great attitude all season (and he has such a charming partner). I have voted for those 3 consistently all season, even when they have bad dances or off nights.
Oh, Lori :::sniff::: I’m so proud.
I agree that is how they do the judging and last season we had a big discussion on how that is fine in the very early weeks but at some point (like, NOW) they need to judge them against each other and score accordingly. I think they often wait to long to do that, so we end up with the likes of Bristol Palin in the final three. I also agree that you should match the choreography to the celebrity in terms of difficulty, and then push it up a tiny notch. I think Louis went too far. There is no point in having challenging choreo if the celeb can’t pull it off without looking like she’s trying too hard. Now, when we’re in the semi-final, if you can’t do the tough stuff, perhaps you shouldn’t be there and should be judged accordingly – and they have done that before too.
I’ll be honest… I’d like Chelsea and Mark to go home because 1, I’m afraid of them since Mark is one of the popular choreographers and we have kids staying up all night voting for him and Chelsea and 2, Mark’s behavior last week was a turn off and 3, Mark’s and Chelsea’s teen fans are getting annoying, especially the girl who runs their twitter page. Over 11,000 followers and she kept bragging to me last night that she’s getting a lot of celebrity friends of Chelsea’s to ask their fans to vote for Chelsea and Mark and telling me what she’s doing to get fans to vote for Chelsea and Mark. I thought it was just snobby to brag like that and it turns me off. I could be wrong but it might be a sign of insecurity. It’s just annoying.
Anyway, I’m wondering how Ralph’s injury is going to affect his chance of going into the semi-finals tonight. I hope he goes through. He’s just humble like Hines and Kirstie. I hope we have a finale between Hines, Kirstie and Ralph but with the media buzzing a lot on Kirstie, I think that’s another celebrity to be afraid of lol.
Liz, if Mark’s fans had that much power he wouldn’t have been first to go home a couple seasons ago. Not even Derek’s fans are that powerful. You have to get the general viewing audience on your side in order to win this show, not just an individual pro’s fans or the fan base of a given celeb. Some of the people who have left this show early have been those with huge numbers of Twitter followers for example. When a Brooke Burke can beat out Lance Bass and Warren Sapp both of whom had bigger fanbases going in, then the general audience REALLY counts. Mark and Chelsea might have it – but more than Hines? I doubt it.
And be careful – if you say anything negative about Mark you’ll get labeled as a Derek lover/Mark hater like me and Courtney. Pretty sure that Courtney will be shocked to find out that she’s a Derek lover yet again this season. LOL.
I’ve always loved him, but unlike some, that doesn’t affect my opinion of Mark. Like I have said numerous times, I don’t like Koolaide.
lol well I am not exactly a Derek lover. I mean, I like him and he’s terrific but he’s just not my favorite dancer. I don’t know why, he just isn’t but nothing against him!
I’m also certainly not a Mark hater because he seems like a nice guy and he’s definitely multi-talented like Derek (with the dancing and music etc…). I know what you mean though. People have their own ways of labeling and thinking. I just wanted to put in my 2 cents and I did.
Actually I thought Brooke won mainly because of Derek’s fanbase and I always thought he got very far because of his fanbase. I realize you gotta get the attention of the general public but I always felt that Derek’s fanbase helped his partners, including Brooke’s. As for Mark going home first in season 10, I guess you’re right. Cheryl Burke left pretty early in season 5 so I guess it doesn’t matter that much for the pro’s fanbase.
I don’t think Derek had much of a powerful fanbase during Brooke Burke’s season – that was his first mirrorball trophy. I think they won because she danced very well and his choreography with her was great.
As far as Team Kanenball’s twitter feed – I totally agree. That girl must be like 13 or something cause she’s a total spammer and tweets in a way that only a tween seems to do. I try to follow all the teams, celebs, and pros for each season but I had to unfollow her because she was so annoying. I don’t hold that against Chelsea though.
Damn…I’ve been branded a “Derek-loving Mark-hater” again???! Oh wait…last season I was a “Derek-loving Maks-hater”. In reality I only love Anna
But yeah, the point is that some of these diehard fans will fly into a rage the moment you say anything remotely negative about their favorites. Some people are really & truly delusional…
…as for the Twitter pages of the various teams, I made the mistake of following all of them at the beginning of the season (just to keep my finger on the pulse of the fans, so to speak), and my feed has been a never-ending parade of spam & fan wars ever since.
All of the teams have been guilty of spamming at some point, but some are definitely worse than others…and then there’s the Tweeters that either get ridiculously self-congratulatory or take it upon themselves to talk trash to opposing teams. Classy. Not naming names, but one team in particular is the worst offender…one of those people that you would probably be inclined to punch in the face if you met them in person. Just nonstop nastiness – wonder what the couple they’re representing would think if they actually had time to pay attention to what this individual was spewing under the pretense of supporting them. Don’t get me wrong, though – there’s been some very cool people I’ve talked to that run these pages as well. Team Gmak is pretty funny 