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Dancing with the Stars – History of the Judges Scores, Part 3

Okay, folks, it’s been a while but here is part three in my series about the History of Judges scoring. As you may recall, from Part I and Part II, this series got started in response to the judges over-scoring of Bristol Palin in Season 11. The question was – were the judges always like this? Did they always over score some (young) people while underscoring true condenders? Have they always tried to make it into a horse race? It has also morphed into trying to also answer the question “have they always been extremely nasty (see Michael Bolton) to some, seemingly without reason??” Season 12’s example was Ralph Machio – their displays were often disgusting. But more on that another time. This post is looking back on the judging of Season 7.  I think you might find a couple of very interesting things happened in this season that may have been a harbinger of things to come – but we can’t be sure until we also watch subsequent seasons. :-)  One thing I can say – I did NOT see as much commentary about “we are going into the semi-finals and this isn’t good enough” as we did in Season 5, but the scoring still seemed reasonable and not over the top.

Here were the scores from Week 5, onward:

Season 7 Weekly Scores (Part I)

Celebrity Week 5 Week 6 Week 7 Week 8
Brooke 29 (Jitterbug) 26 (Rumba) 30 (Foxtrot) 28 (Tango)
29 (Team Tango) 27 (Mambo)
Warren 25 (Hustle) 25 (Rumba) 21 (Foxtrot) 28 (Tango)
29 (Team Tango) 26 (Jive)
Lance 21 (WC Swing) 27 (Jive) 25 (Rumba) 26 (Foxtrot)
20 (Team Cha Cha) 24 (Samba)
Cody 28 (Jitterbug) 23 (Samba) 22 (V. Waltz) 24 (Foxtrot)
20 (Team Cha Cha) 24 (Mambo)
Maurice 27 (Salsa) 21 (V. Waltz) 25 (Cha Cha) 24 (Quickstep)
29 (Team Tango) 24 (Paso Doble)
Susan 22 (Hustle) 23 (Mambo) 24 (Paso Doble)
20 (Team Cha Cha)
Cloris 21 (Salsa) 15 (Cha Cha)
Toni 22 (WC Swing)

Season 7 Weekly Scores (Part II)

Celebrity Week 9 Week 10 Week Finale
Brooke 21 (Jive) 28 (Samba) 30 (V. Waltz)
28 (Salsa) 30 (Freestyle)
Warren 24 (Mambo) 25 (Samba) 27 (Hustle)
25 (Jitterbug) 28 (Freestyle)
Lance 28 (Mambo) 26 (Samba) 28 (Jitterbug)
29 (Jitterbug) 27 (Freestyle)

Week 5 – What is significant this week is that they really took Lacey to the woodshed, with comments similar to “we know you’re a pro at West Coast Swing, you need to feature your partner”. Lacey said she wasn’t upset, but I think she was ready to cry. While the judges were a bit over the top, I didn’t think it was too extreme – mainly it’s hard to watch a pro get raked, even if they deserve it. Really, this week the judges were critical of Toni and Susan in a way that was reasonable, and slightly overscored Cody – but not in a huge way. Mainly because I think Julianne overdanced him a bit and didn’t get called on it. But their Jitterbug was very good, regardless. But then I remember at the time thinking that Brooke was also overscored a bit, maybe by a point. That said – who’s to know, we’re talking Jitterbug here. Also overscored? Maurice – I don’t think Maurice ever did a “27” dance while on the show, but they scored him on improvement.

Week 6 – This is the week of Michael Flatley as guest judge and just about everything was out of wack. Michael seemed to be scoring with the wrong part of his anatomy, and Carrie Ann was having…well, at the risk of being sexist – PMS. So, she raves over Susan (who always dances like a china doll), then she kinda harshes on Cloris saying “We lost Toni for this?” Okay, so Cloris is insane and can’t dance –but take it up with the voters, sweetheart . Not to mention the judges gave her a 21 the previous week!! Then Carrie Ann turns around and is a bit over the top (perhaps to compensate for Michael Flately) on Brooke’s Rumba. No, it wasn’t Brooke’s best dance but she acts like it’s a disaster – then gives her an *8*! Crack is wack. Michael gives her a 10 which even Derek is stunned by. I think the 8 score was actually fine, it’s just CAI’s comments that were really out of line with how she actually scored it. My other gripe was Warren – this was a week where he really didn’t seem to do much dancing, and made some mistakes the judges called him on, but still got a 25 – which would have put him ahead of Brooke if not for Michael’s 10.  It’s weeks like this one (which had been rare up to this point) where you really wonder what is going on in the judges brains.  Can you seriously give a contestant a 21 and then be pissed when they’re still there the following week and do a crappy dance?? Try using the right paddles, sweetie.

Week 7 – Again, the judges rave over Susan for a dance that was weak, not sharp or aggressive and boring. They’re on crack again. All three of them. On the other hand, they pretty much crucify Warren – not sure that I agree with that. Cody also did a better dance than Susan to my eye and they were actually rather harsh on him, saying he was plodding, or like a “fledgling bird that can’t take off”. This is also the week that Len goes insane over Lance being barefoot, although he still ended up with a 25, and Lacey smarts off to the judges. I thought they underscored Cody and overscored Susan. The rest of the scores I rather agreed with, for the most part. This was also the week of the Team Cha Cha and Team Paso – the first season of Team dances – and Team Paso lead by Derek was miles ahead of team Cha Cha to an embarrassing degree. Of course, they learned that it’s not really fair to put a Paso against a Cha Cha and Len acknowledged that. IMO, Team Paso’s team dance is the best team dance to date.

Week 8 – Remember when Len went insane and called Brooke’s Tango not up to a professional level, essentially judging her as a professional because CAI said she was getting that good the week before? That was this week. I have to wonder if this is the start of the purposely underscoring the frontrunner to make it look like a more even contest, because this was crazy. HE was crazy Of course, he gives Brooke an 8, and a few minutes later gives Maurice an 8 and Cody an 8….sure, that’s logical. Not. Not that Maurice and Cody were overscored, but that Brooke was purposely underscored. The rest of the scoring is pretty on target, although you start to notice that Warren is getting great scores but not getting the footwork – and they call him on it then give him great scores anyway.  Charm goes a long way and people loved him – don’t want to lose that!

Week 9 – This is an example of how the last third of a dance being totally screwed up affects the view of an entire performance. I remember Brooke’s Jive being a disaster. But when I watched it for this post, it really didn’t become bad until the last third. The judges comment on technique going down the toilet – but I think she just forgot the steps. Hence, no technique. What really bothered me though, was what appeared to be some very poor sportsmanship in the background while they were talking to Brooke. Gee, who on this show would be a poor sport?? Anyway, CAI gets all hoity toity about a deliberate lift and Derek’s saying something to Brooke about some style, blah blah – watch the background.

Anyway, after that, everyone gets hosed in the first round except Lance, and I pretty much agree, over all, with all of it. Second round everyone does much better and my only complaint, again, is Warren. No technique but pretty decent scores. Round two, Brooke comes roaring back, and Cody gets pretty critical comments again. Warren, on the other hand, gets great comments but only an average score.  Lance gets rave reviews.  I agree with all of this, including Lance ending up in first place at the end of the night.  I mention Cody’s critical comments because this is one of our metrics – do the youngsters get treated easier than their older competition. I would say no, in Cody’s case.

Week 10 – Ah, the finale, when the judges are pretty easy on everyone. :-)  They pretty much are easy, although they continue to comment on Warren’s lack of technique but infectious joy. He’s the Marissa of Season7. :-) They got as close as realistically possible to throwing it to the voters as they could while still maintaining credibility. I mean, Warren did have bad footwork, and Brooke was a step or two above the men in technique…and Lance’s freestyle could have been a lot better.  The only critical comments handed out go to Lance for that freestyle.  So, if you have a chance, watch the Season 7 freestyles on YouTube and we’ll continue to debate the age old question – does a bad freestyle cost you the competition? Think about the 3 points Lance could have gained had he done a better freestyle – it could have been a game changer. Would he have won? Probably not – he couldn’t beat Warren and they were essentially tied. The best it probably would have done is MAYBE handing him second place.

So, is this the season where the judges go all crazy and start getting fame hungry and mean to dancers?? I have to wonder. Could Cloris’ lengthy stay have made them snap, as seen by CAI’s attitude in week 6? And did they realize that if Brooke kept scoring well above everyone else the drama would be done (these observations coincide with the birth of “in jeopardy!), so they under score her and over scored others?? I guess we’ll see when I get around to the next installment.  I think we can safely say that they don’t overscore all young dancers. I thought there were a few occasions where they underscored Cody. I also think that, barring that one week where Len was insane and the week when Michael Flatley too Len’s place, Brooke was fairly scored the whole way. Overall, I didn’t have too much of a gripe with this season – all complaints were relatively minor. On to Season 8!! Can’t guarantee I’ll get to it before the hard work of Season 13 REALLY begins (really, it began a couple weeks ago). :-)

 
Notes: Week 5 had a real bottom 2. But there was no bottom 2 revealed in week 6. In week 7, we have “jeopardy!”. I think this was a relatively new concept at this point.

Ever notice how Mark always manages to make it back on the results shows with his partners?? I don’t think anyone else has ever managed it to the degree he does. Well, good for him, I guess.

Brooke only went last once (but it was before a team dance) and never had the encore (that wasn’t a team dance). Warren, on the other hand, went last Four times and had the encore 2 times. Lance had one encore. As we’ve often discussed on this site, running order is pretty important, as are encores – that Brooke managed to win with little to no pimpage is pretty amazing.

For those paying attention to me and Courtney griping in recent seasons about random ass dances and no pattern, this is for you.  Back in the day, it WAS reasonable and was easier to compare dancers. TWO dances per week for the first 4 weeks. Four dances in Week 5.  I vote we go back to this very sensible formula. Here’s the dance schedule, from Wikipedia:

 

 

August 16, 2011 I Written By

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DWTS Maksim Chmerkovskiy Attends The Salsa Rengue 3 Anniversary In Montreal, Canada

Twitter is alive today with several Maksim Chmerkovskiy fans raving about the time he spent in Montreal, Canada last night. Maks came to the city to take part in the Salsa Rengue 3 Anniversary. PureDWTS reader Evaine was able to attend the event and met him at a fan meet and greet. She described Maks as “a lovely, lovely man” and he was “sweet and charming.” She said he smelled good of a “very light, nice scent” too (which is what I was wondering about. :) ). In fact, someone asked Maks what cologne he wore and he “couldn’t quite believe that people really wanted to know this”. According to Evaine, Maks was “assured by everyone that we did indeed want to know”. He answered, but there was so much noise that Evaine or her friend were able to catch his answer (LOL!!!).

Evaine also said Maks looked “RIGHT into your eyes” when you talked to him. The Snooki rumors were brought up as well to which Maks didn’t sound too approving of like many of us.

Maks also mentioned “working for the cause of Ukrainian orphans in conjunction with ABC” which Evaine wonders if this is why he returned for another season of Dancing With The Stars? If Evaine hears more in her local papers, she said she’ll be sure to let us know.

What a night it must have been!! Special thanks to our beloved Evaine for taking us there. She may have even more to add in the comment section.

The pic above was taken by @AC_VirginRadio at twitter. Though sideways, you can see Maks dancing a salsa with a fan here. Thanks to @Lisanneshaw for the video.

Stay tuned. Maks will be travelling to Chattanooga, TN for a special fundraising and belated show next. Because of flight issues and coming down with a bug, he had to cancel in June. But, he’ll be making up for it on Saturday. For event and ticket information, go here.

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I'm a fashion and music fan....and I have always loved dancing too of any kind. Dancing With The Stars seems to have this way of bringing all of those things together. One of my favorite dancing quotes at the moment: "No matter what, nobody can take away the dance you've already had...." ~Gleb Savchenko . For fun music and dance mixes, visit WilUnleashed Soundcloud.

DWTS Mark Ballas Raises $12,000 For 4th Annual Avamar Foundation (Photo & Video)

Mark Ballas couldn’t say no to family and friends when they wanted him to attend the 4th Annual Avamar Foundation to benefit the elderly in Warren, Ohio last weekend. Mark represented the “Beat of Ohio Dance Studio”. According to TMZ, Mark “single-handedly raised more than $12,000 for the benefit by signing a borrowed shirt from the host (since he only brought one outfit to the show) and auctioning it off. He also threw in front row VIP tickets to ‘DWTS’ for two nights, backstage passes, and pictures with the other dancing pros. More details at the link. Below is a video from WKBN on the event as well. And can I just say, …I am loving Mark’s hair more by the day. :D

Source for Picture: Mark Ballas’ Facebook

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I'm a fashion and music fan....and I have always loved dancing too of any kind. Dancing With The Stars seems to have this way of bringing all of those things together. One of my favorite dancing quotes at the moment: "No matter what, nobody can take away the dance you've already had...." ~Gleb Savchenko . For fun music and dance mixes, visit WilUnleashed Soundcloud.

DWTS Season 13 Rumors – Part III of Things That Make You Go Hmmmm….

 Most people are like me and are thinking/hoping she’s talking about DWTS. Yes, Hope, DO IT!!! :-) 

I think I might face my fears and do something I'm REALLY bad at. Shall I embarrass myself? What's your guys' thoughts? #fb
@hopesolo
Hope Solo
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I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

Dancing With The Stars Judge Bruno Tonioli Writes About Thailand And Tsunami

Dancing With The Stars judge Bruno Tonioli has written up a touching article in the Daily Mail on his trips and love for the country of Thailand. I didn’t realize (or I had forgotten) how Bruno was on holiday there in 2004 when the devastating tsunami hit. As soon as the tsunami hit, holidaymakers urged everyone including Bruno to leave the country but, he refused. He wrote…

In my opinion, Thailand absolutely depended on the income from tourists – we provide the livelihood for all the small restaurants and shops. If tourists had turned their back on them at that time, it could only have made matters worse.

By the time I got to Krabi, much of the town had been cleaned up and everything was fine – except that the place had been deserted by tourists. The people in the restaurants and shops who thanked me for choosing to stay were crying with gratitude.

That visit deepened a special bond with the country that brings me back again and again. The Thai people are so warm and kind – they offer such fantastic service. And the value for money you get in Thailand far exceeds what you find these days in the Maldives or in the Caribbean.

Read more of Bruno’s personal account and how the country and people have recovered >>>>>HERE. It’s a great write-up with some beautiful pictures posted to go with it. It’s nice to see Bruno in such a caring light (versus how harshly he can judge sometimes on Dancing With The Stars) while promoting people to travel to Thailand again to vacation.

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I'm a fashion and music fan....and I have always loved dancing too of any kind. Dancing With The Stars seems to have this way of bringing all of those things together. One of my favorite dancing quotes at the moment: "No matter what, nobody can take away the dance you've already had...." ~Gleb Savchenko . For fun music and dance mixes, visit WilUnleashed Soundcloud.

DWTS Julianne Hough And Kenny Wormald Get Footloose For Elle Magazine September 2011

Leading up to the October 14th premiere of “Footloose”, Julianne Hough (former professional dancer on Dancing With The Stars and sister to Derek Hough) and fellow cast member, Kenny Wormald, have done a fabulous new photo spread for the September issue of Elle Magazine. You can watch them work their “magic” in a behind the scenes video below from E Online. No wonder these two were picked for their roles. I love what Kenny says on Julianne’s hard work ethic….

“She’s like the hardest working person I know,” says Kenny. “I was taking a nap one day, and our trailers were combined, and I was sleeping and I woke up because the thing was shaking. I was like what’s going on in Julianne’s trailer because she was working out with her personal trainer- getting fit during lunch while I’m taking a nap.”

To see more of this shoot and read a cool article on the makings of Footloose, be sure to visit Elle.com.

Also, don’t forget about the Footloose Video Contest!! Enter by September 16th, and if you win, you have a chance of winning a trip to the premiere. For more information on how you can do so, read some details in an earlier posting >>>>HERE.

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I'm a fashion and music fan....and I have always loved dancing too of any kind. Dancing With The Stars seems to have this way of bringing all of those things together. One of my favorite dancing quotes at the moment: "No matter what, nobody can take away the dance you've already had...." ~Gleb Savchenko . For fun music and dance mixes, visit WilUnleashed Soundcloud.