SPOILERS!!! DWTS Season 13, Week 3
Well, it’s safe to say that if you want your team to be called safe, ask me to say they’re going to be out. 
LOL!! Well, I did tell you that I had no clue what was going to happen. I was right about that. Rather happy to say that Courtney got it wrong as well. 
This is a shocking elimination, frankly. I knew it would happen, but honestly thought it would be a couple weeks down the road. And sorry folks, as much as I’m not a Mark fan, it should have been either Chaz or Nancy. NO, that doesn’t mean that Cher was pulling dirty tricks like I saw from one commenter – all is fair and all that. For the uninformed, the couple who left us tonight was: Kristin and Mark
For that to happen, all of the following happened:
- Rob, David and Hope all had to get ONE more vote per million vote cast than her, AND;
- Chaz had to get 25,320 more votes per million votes cast than Kristin, AND;
- Nancy had to get 12,660 more votes per million votes cast than Kristin, AND;
- Carson had to get 4,220 more votes per millon votes cast than Kristin.
REMEMBER, it’s not that loads of people were voting for Chaz, Rob, David and the rest – it’s also that no one was voting for Kristin. That’s critical to remember, and keep voting if you don’t want to lose your favorite.
Just goes to show that your votes matter and making a positive or negative reaction is MUCH better than no reaction at all.
Wow! Gotta say I didn’t see that coming quite so soon, just as you said Heidi! Of the two still in jeopardy tonight, I thought it should have been Hope going home based on last night’s dances.
Chaz and Nancy must have huge fan bases.
I think we’re on the same page with this one – we were expecting it to happen, but not for a few more weeks. Poor Kristin – once more, she’s a pretty girl & decent dancer who just didn’t make much of an impact.
Not saying it was the sole reason Kristin was eliminated, but I do find it interesting that Kristin got a crap spot in the running order 3 weeks in a row. It likely didn’t help keep her fresh in viewers’ minds.
Like Heidi, I saw this coming in maybe week 5 or 6 but week 3?? That’s kinda crazy. Im sorry but Chaz needs to go. I Like him but he just can’t dance. At all. Kristin was very ” meh ” for me but her dancing impressed me. Farewell Kristin and Mark.
Like i said in the post, it’s NOT necessary to have a huge fanbase if someone else has NO fanbase at all. And I don’t think Kristin had one. And regardless of what people like to think around here, a PRO’s fanbase isn’t enough to do it all alone, you need the general viewing audience on your side too.
People, take note – it isn’t just the pro and it ain’t just the scores.
Wow, I’m shocked by the results tonight. Still finding it hard to believe. Now sure had this been Week 5, 6, or 7, I wouldn’t have been surprised that much, but Week 3?! Not happy at all. I actually do feel bad for Kristin/Mark. Kristin was a beautiful girl, seemed nice enough, and was a pretty good dancer. Mark’s attitude dramatically improved from last season. Don’t think those two deserved the boot yet.
I think two “DWTS Rules” were proven true tonight:
1.No one is safe. No one.
2.Being unmemorable and lacking impact can end up being fatal.
Like Courtney said, Kristin’s terrible running orders for all three weeks probably played a part as well.
I knew that there was going to be a shocking elmination. I didn’t think Kristin would be eliminated. I would have prefered Nancy or David to leave. I want to see Chaz maybe for one or two weeks with Cher watching in the audience.
I think ABC should change their rules and NOT let the public vote as it is truly not fair to the dancers that work their behind off and just get booted because of their popularity. ABC should just make it a popularity contest instead of a real dance challenge!!!!!! ABC …. Cut out the veiwer votes and make it a REAL contest!!!!!!!
I agree with Zach, Chaz has got to go…like 3 weeks ago!
What about a judge’s save to be used once a season? Do you think they would have used it tonight?
@Deb Schultz But if they did that would as many people watch? The producers want ratings, not for the best dancers to be successful just because of their talent. I agree that it’s too bad that Kristin had to leave so early, but she wasn’t as much fun to watch as others, such as Carson.
Well, sad to say but, I won’t miss Kristen at all. She made absolutely no impression on me. I just didn’t care enough about her.
I care about Chaz, Nancy and Carson. Kristen didn’t wow me with the dancing or personality.
@deb and those who are talking about injustice on twitter, I don’t wanna watch a show that’s meh. I wanna care about the people. It’s an entertainment show, after all.
When Saw Kristen was going to be on this season, I made up the “Audrina curse”. It basically means Kristen was going to be really good, and one week, out of the blue she would be eliminated. I make up a bunch of superstions and most of the time they actually happen
It seems to me that young, reality show based, female celebs do not do well at all because the general viewers do not vote for them. They don’t have the fanbase. the youngsters that would be liable to vote for them are voting for the young, male celebrity. I sincerely thought that Rob and Nancy would go before Kristin though, but I guess middle America wants them to stick around. And don’t kid yourselves… Chaz has a HUGE fanbase. He’s going to be around for a while.
Well Kristen must not have the fanbase that some of the others have & remember that someone like Nancy has her TV show that millions watch & as much as some hate her alot are fans too.
I do not love her but want her to stay because of Tristan which I will freely admit too, also remember his fanbase has grown quickly & I know some who voted for hours for them.
Also Mark is starting to annoy me, he was not very classy tonight imo, he left his partner standing there alone as he walked around with his hands in his pockets looking all pissed off & throwing attitude, alot are getting fed up with that type of crap imo.
Happy to see that handsome Irishman another week though!!
I’m not shocked. I did expect Chaz to go tonight, but when he was called safe I figured it was Kristen or David going. Once it came down to Kristen\Hope, I knew Kristen was a goner. She and Mark knew it too. You could see it on their faces. The fact that Kristen was dancing consistently well but still wasn’t promoted to the second half of the show told me that she wasn’t getting much vote\buzz. On the other hand, the fact that Maks\Hope are getting consistently good dancing spots (8, 1, 9) and not being called until safe until late in the results shows hints to me they are probably vote\ratings grabbers.
I really think Chaz needs to leave the show. It’s just no fun to watch him dance in pain. Maybe the judges will have to score him truthfully to outweigh his voting block? His dance last night shouldn’t have been higher than a 5 considering he barely moved.
Mark looked upset but he had no problem when Bristol stayed over better dancers. Cannot be upset. No surprising either. Mark has his fans but they are no big enough that they alone can carry Kristin. Figured she would be like Audrina. Just exited earlier.
I have to admit I’m really surprised that Kristin and Mark are gone so soon. I didn’t expect them to be around forever but I thought they’d make it at least a few more weeks. I was reading a bunch of stuff about voting and I was wondering about the power voting some people do and how much of an impact it has. I’m not sure how I’d feel if viewers didn’t get to vote but I think there’s something inherently unfair about x number of votes per e-mail address. I’d rather it be phone and/or text only or maybe using IP addresses instead of e-mail. I don’t know if it would have made a difference for Kristin and Mark but I feel like things would be a little more fair then… Just a thought I’ve had a few times.
Wow, what a nutty nutty night!! I just finished watching the show. I had my Dad on the phone and we watched it all going down. We were shocked to say the least….and just so thankful our faves are still in it. I admit I am not that sorry to see Kristin and Mark leave. I didn’t feel any connection and she wasn’t a very good dancer. I am so glad Chaz has next week to redeem himself. It’s going to be fun to see Cher in the audience.
I am not surprised by this. She just didn’t have the fan base.
Chaz does and so does his mom. And she’ll be in the audience next week. What are the chances the DWTS is going to get her to sing at some point? Plus they love that Chaz is contraversial and brings in viewers.
Hope isn’t doing it for me this season as much as I love Maks. Her attitude is getting in the way. It’s fairly obvious these two don’t have a huge chemistry and they are going to need to bring it in the next couple of weeks.
Carson’s got a great fan base and the producers love that he brings the fun every week.
We had to know that David was safe given that he had a primo spot and the judges gave him great scores, deserved or not.
My guess is the next three to go will be David, Nancy and maybe Carson. I’m not rulling out Hope if her attidude doesn’t change.. And not necessarily in that order. . I’m reserving judgment on Rob depending on what he brings next week.
Evaine, we don’t KNOW Chaz or anybody has a huge fanbase for sure, yet. We only know Elisabetta and Kristin have next to zipo.
Kristan – my guess is that people would figure out a way to power vote one way or the other.
I’m not tooo surprised that Kristin left for reasons stated earlier. I’m just curious with all the people feeling outraged at her exit…did you actually vote for her? Did your votes go to more memorable celebs or did you not vote at all?
When both Chaz and Nancy were called safe, I immediately thought of Kristen. However, I did have a moment where I thought it might be Hope. Wouldn’t have that been ironic, given Maks’ joke to her last week about “We’re getting eliminated Week 3.”
I do agree that, based on dancing ability, Chaz should probably go. I’ve enjoyed getting to know about him, but he’s probably the worst dancer and I worry about his body being able to handle the rigorous training.
I agree with what Heidi said on another post about Tristan’s choreography. Granted, I adore him and am glad he and Nancy will be back next week, but he’s got to step it up! I like that he does pretty, basic dances that Nancy can get through, but I’m ready for him to challenge her with flashier stuff. I hope they have a peppy dance next week. While I liked their waltz, I’m ready for some pizzazz next week!
Sorry to see Kristen go, but to me, she was just a pretty girl who could dance. I didn’t see much personality out of her, and whenever I would think back to the dances, I nearly always forgot about her. Not sorry to see Mark’s horrific shoes go. I hope he (or someone else) burns them.
Chaz needs to go. Im going to go read a book now.
I did think Chaz would go just because he is a pretty bad dancer. I hope it’s not going to be like Bristol. I’m just so pleased that, for me, Derek’s back! He had seemed bummed or distracted, or something, and this week his usual excellence and “specialness” was back in full force. I know he had to accommodate Ricki’s learning curve, but I admit I was getting worried that he was heartbroken or something and wasn’t feeling creative
I do like David too. Wish he could dance better. And Tristan…:) Hope he watches some of the playback and gets a better grip on sticking his tongue out all the time 
It looks a lil funky sometimes, even on him. He’s always flipping it out and licking his lips and it doesn’t work on TV.
Zach, I’m pretty convinced that Chaz’s fanbase is huge, on his own merits and those that will vote because his mom asks them to. It’s big enough to even the playing field with the lower-scoring half of the celebrities at any rate. I think he’ll be around for a few more weeks at least.
Tristan’s tongue is just fine thanks lol
Also Tristan’s choreography is great imo, yes he is not all about flash or overdancing as some of the male pros do on a constant basis & he has to gear the dance to the stars abilities & Nancy is not Nicole for crying out loud.
Thinking he needs to be flashier & that his dances are too basic is not what I see at all, he did a proper quickstep & it was gorgeous & with a more talented partner would have been amazing as would that Waltz have been, he is a puriest & that’s a good thing.
So happy it wasn’t Carson…love him and Anna.
I thought it was pretty exciting!!!
I agree with most here – sad to say, but is should have been Chaz. He’s given it a heck of a go, and I give him massive props for having the guts to get out there and try, but sometimes the body just won’t do what the mind envisions – and on that, I think I can speak as an expert..
Having said that, I think it sets up an interesting next week… who’s next to go? Based on my (very, biased) opinion, it should be Chaz, David, and Nancy…. now watch it be 3 of my favorites! :-/
Lisa, I just meant that they need to show more personality in their dances, not pull stunts or use props or anything. I do think he does show off his partner better than a lot of the pros, but Tristan and Nancy both have such great chemistry and so much fun together. I just want them to show that off a bit more. I loved both their quickstep and waltz, but I just hope they are able to show off their personalities next week.
And I totally agree with you about the tongue…he can let it hang out all he wants!
“What about a judge’s save to be used once a season? Do you think they would have used it tonight?” Good insights all round. I don’t know if for Kristen, but the idea of a judge’s save or a return for dance-off seems valid. In previous seasons, did everyone dance either of two dances on a given night? Seems more varied recently? Let’s Hope can improve her skills with this reprieve. I think Chynna and Ricki gain from this because Mark is a good pro with solid results through the years.
@Meggie (comment 9) If Len had his way they would!
For the record, just wanted to clarify the comment about Tristan’s overactive tongue applied to TV ONLY! In person is likely a different story.
I’m going to keep saying this until I’m blue in the face, because that’s how I am:
ALL the pros have big fanbases, INCLUDING Mark.
ALL of these fans are power voters – ALL OF THEM. You don’t actually get to complain about one person staying over another based on that – all celebs have that to an extent. The people who STAY on the show are those who have the general audience behind them. I’m sorry, but no matter how popular Tristan MIGHT be, or how popular Derek, Maks, Cheryl and Mark ARE, they cannot win without the average viewer. 17 million people are watching this show – avid power voters don’t even come close to those numbers.
Believe it or not, I’m actually going to side with Zach for a change – we have no clue of the fanbase for Chaz, really – not when stacked up against someone like Kristin. We’ve always thought she was going to be a premature exit, just not THIS premature. It’s entirely possible he was in the bottom 2 – they didn’t broadcast it because they have no investment in keeping him around.
Imo, didn’t think Chaz was going home, I thought it was going to be Hope and Rob. Chaz is going to be around for a while.
I had a feeling, once Chaz was declared safe within the first half hour or so that we’d be in for a surprise tonight. I hate it that my gut feeling was right on this one.
Should it have been Kristin? Absolutely not. Why was it Kristin? Lack of fanbase. Mark is a popular pro, but his fanbase along with Kristin’s lack thereof probably hurt compared with the other pros (who have their own respective fanbases) and other celebrities who may have a larger fan base (or just more power voters).
After a few seasons of seeing a lot of Mark, I’m happy to see him gone so early. I do think he’s one of the better pros, but I rarely watch his star when he’s dancing because he draws all the attention to himself.
I enjoy the Maks/Tony/Tristan dances, even if they are, admittedly, not as innovative and show-boaty as Mark or Derek.
A quick comment about fan base. I checked on Kristen’s twitter and she has over 600,000 followers, a huge fan base.
Kristin was a good choice – I’m sorry, but I found her to be way too ditzy and not much going on in the dancing or personality department, either. I do admit I was surprised it wasn’t Hope, who really should be gone. She is just simply NOT an interesting or likeable personality, has all the grace of a truckdriver, no musical sense at all (embarassing to watch actually) and well… BORING! Most of the remaining dancers (although widely variable dance skills) at least have PERSONALITIES that make the dancing interesting to watch.
For those saying Hope and Maks don’t have chemistry, watch their behind the scenes clips– they actually do get along well. Hope just doesn’t have a personality.
I’ve worked with her for several years and she’s just a hollow human being. That sounds like I don’t like her, but I actually do– I just feel sorry for her because I don’t think she has any idea who she is.
Well to say I am bummed doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel. BUT I will say I’m not surprised. It’s the age old wisdom of “Vote for your favorites” but in this case, I don’t think Kristin was necessarily a favorite and people assumed she was safe. I am sad that she’s gone, because I wanted to see her grow. And for as much as I jumped on Mark’s behavior last season, I have to say now that his hair is semi back so is his good behavior. In a way, it’s not fair that when Mark behaves well, he goes early, and when you want to jump through the TV Screen and choke him, he makes it to the finals.
wth at the comment above me…wow calling someone a hollow human being, maybe you dont know her as well as you think you do.
from the few clips they shown on tv and interviews ive watched, ive seen personality. shes a lot bit passion, a good bit honest, a little bit goofy, and i dig it. Not everyone needs to be “look how bubbly and nice and funny i am america, vote for me” to be liked.
but i do agree with your first statement. people who say maks and hope have no chemistry, should watch some of their videos, they seem to have a understated chemistry which i think stems from their similar personalities.
I agree that Hope and Maks have chemistry, but her dancing is just not pretty to watch. She may be able to still improve if she stays longer. It’s like she’s trying to hard, instead of just letting it flow.
And Lenka…. Maks is as flashy and show-boaty as they come on the show and many people love that abt him. Maks, Derek and Mark know how to make their dances memorable. Tristan and Tony are understated perhaps because they are more purists.
Yes, Kristin’s elimination was a shock. But she was always meh to me. I called my mother to tell her who was eliminated after the east coast show (live in the west coast) and told her it was Kristin and Mark who were going home…. she was like ‘Who???’ and I know she watches the show. So Kristin just wasn’t memorable enough for people. I also didn’t think it helped her that in her first package they showed that clip of her fighting with Audrina or someone and calling herself a bitch…. SMH at why the producers chose THAT clip to introduce Kristin to the audience.
Anyways, vote for your favorites… don’t sleep on it!
Regarding Hope, I think she’s doing a great job in terms of the show business aspect. I think it must be much harder for her, being an athlete, to play this kind of a role, but she seems fun and playful to me.
Also, I prefer having someone like her around who’s a real achiever and, at least in her field, a star. I probably wouldn’t watch if it were only reality show participants or offspring of famous people, no matter how well they dance.
I think Hope and Maks have enough chemistry, see more interviews of them or batidor, in my opinion they are one of the couples who have more chemistry, you do not understand when they say they have no chemistry.
I think she has a strong personality that neither Maks so sometimes people interpretation is wrong, but I prefer it with genius stronger than those participants who pretends the good guys, and she is funny too so I think people expect much more of it than the other participants, or is it harder on her.
She is not dancing very well but we are still in three weeks I think she will improve greatly.
Hope And let’s be honest, Chynna and JR and Carson are the ones with the best personality and are the most fun and the interlock, or the other has no personality or are very boring
I hope that is in the final along with Chynna and JR
I really don’t think Hope will be around very long either. I really thought it was gonna be her and Maks, not Mark and Kristin.
When I heard Chaz was safe I couldn’t believe it! Maybe when the audience heard Cher was going to show up they voted like crazy for Chaz, but who knows.
Looking forward to next week.
Wow, I was convinced that Hope was the one leaving. I do think her days are numbered though. Not seeing much of a connection with her and Maks.
Mark is not my favorite but I did give Kirsten a chance just to be fair. But their partnership made no lasting impression with me. Maybe last years WTA fiasco cost them this year. I think some viewers were put off by that and might have tuned Mark out this season.
Cher in the house next week!! Awesome…. I am already excited for next week. All my favorites are stlll dancing.
Agreeing that Kristin looks great, has potential, but doesn’t create a lasting impression, I also thought her personal story was lame. This being an entertainment show, entertain! Instead, she tells of moving west rather than going to college…what an unusual and stressful situation to be in. Not. And picking a Beyonce song and saying you’re going to channel Beyonce…better be able to bring it. Mark should have channeled her.
On another note, Gone with the Wind and any reference to it is a mistake. I couldn’t believe they put that up there. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, lets celebrate a story where the protagonist owns slaves and all the slaves talk like 6 year old children because they are, of course, inferior. There is not one thing OK about bringing up the confederacy in a celebratory fashion. Gone with the Wind is a racist story.
I think four things happnened that led to this surprise elimination:
1) her lack of personality when interating with the judges and dancing
2) week one’s introduction to her where she showed her catty side ain the hills clip when she attacked audrina verbally
3) Mark underestimating her dancing ability
4) Her forgetableness
Ugh so bummed by the results. It was way to early for kristen to be eliminated .I saw her being eliminated between weeks 6-8. Its funny because you would think that she would have a bigger fan base because of laguna beach and the hills. But I guess not. This just goes to show that you have to vote for your favorite.
You definitely need the general audience on your side but I do think a pro can influence that. Obviously if they provide memorable, fun routines, but also because It’s natural to want to like the star if you like the pro they are dancing with. The star may not need that if they are a compelling personality on their own, and it won’t help much if the star is very unlikable on their own, but in the middle ground I think a pro that has general audience appeal can help a star’s ability to win over the general audience.
I did not like her and Chaz actuacionde must go because they perform as the others.
Oh has been the most boring and Chaz should go.
Love Carson & Anna, JR & Karina and Chynna & Tony.
Kristin was pretty but not memorable. Forgot all about her after she finished her routine.
And all the Marksie shippers are now bleating that Chelsie and Mark can be in a pro dance. LOL!!
@maryt – No offense, but those 60K Twitter followers Kristin has really don’t mean shit – especially if the followers aren’t actually voting on DWTS. It’s the same thing that happened to Kim Kardashian – a ton of Twitter followers, but she still went home early because few of those followers were actually the type to tune in and vote for her. It’s demographics – how many of those followers do you think are middle-aged women? Likely not many…and middle aged women are the biggest chunk of the DWTS viewing audience. Now for someone like Kirstie Alley, who’s also got a ton of Twitter followers, but whose fanbase is more aligned with the voting demographics of DWTS…then that fanbase might actually be worth something. So Kristin might have a large “Twitter fanbase”, but it doesn’t necessarily equate to a “DWTS fanbase”.
Oh god. No more Mark pro dances with former partners. Just. No. No one else does that, except maybe Maks, one time a long time ago (at band camp).
This is turning into another thing that I feel like I’ve repeated 5000 times: Twitter followers do NOT represent how well you are going to do on this show. Kristin, Kim K, Lil’ Kim and countless others should have told you that by now.
Just because you are on a reality show that is popular *for a reality show on an off network* it doesn’t mean you have a fanbase the size or demographic to keep you safe on DWTS. Again, the demo for this show is OLDER and, frankly, is watched by many millions more people every week than a show like “The Hills” or Keeping up with the Kardashians – I don’t think it’s even CLOSE.
Again, yes, the pros CAN make a difference in how well you do – but it can’t be ALL on the pro. You have to have a combination of factors. I’m thinking mainly of a few Tristan fans who are insisting that he will stick around because he’s so popular. Well, I would argue that Mark has a bigger fanbase – but Tristan has NANCY, whereas Mark had Kristin.
LOL to those who say “flashy” like it’s a negative. Um, this is TV. You have to be flashy to some extent or you go HOME. Balance is the name of the game. You can be a great dancer and be boring and LOSE – Mya springs immediately to mind, here.
That’s what I was saying about Tristan, and it could well be Tony’s problem (because heaven help Chynna if her score drops) – being a purist is all well and good. And it will make Len happy. But you have to keep the audience entertained as well. You do that by creating entertaining routines that camouflage your partners weaknesses and emphasize their strengths. I think Derek and Cheryl are probably the best two at doing this – Kym too, actually. Kym can create a damn good, fun routine for people who aren’t great dancers – like Warren Sapp. People can whine about it all they want, but this is the Pro’s JOB – to keep their celeb on the show, teach them to dance as best they can and have fun with them. Hiding their flaws, emphasizing strengths and making them look good is what it’s all about. I think Joanna was not a great dancer but Derek sure made her look like one – but if you watch all their dances one right after another, you’ll see that he tends to use similar moves in each of them. This wasn’t because he was having a dry creative spell, he was making sure she looked good. He said this to an interviewer very recently – he finds out what is natural to them, what looks good, and incorporates that where necessary.
Just goes to show, like ya’ll have always said, we each have to VOTE VOTE VOTE
having a HUGE fan base is worth nothing if that fan base doesn’t actually take the time to vote. My 26 yr old niece loves the show, loves our commentary (from her mom and from me) but when the show is over Monday night, she’s on to a million other things, and voting for her fave on DWTS is not on the agenda. Now, if you could vote DURING the show, it might be a different scenario.
@Linde – Voting actually starts at the beginning of the show…maybe your niece will actually vote now?
And elaborating on what Heidi has said: if it’s any consolation, Tristan & Tony’s choreo would probably hold up the best in a REAL ballroom competition, even though it may be a bit bland by DWTS standards. Real ballroom judges (like Len) tend to love very by-the-book, basic, recognizable, well-executed basics. In fact, it was a widely-held opinion while Tony was the world American Rhythm champion that his choreography wasn’t all that exciting – but he did it well, and that’s what really went over well with the judges. I’m willing to bet Tristan is still somewhat stuck in “real ballroom” mode, which is a problem most pros on the show have in their first season. I’m sure he’ll calibrate, given time.
I vote online DURING the show!
Looks like Julianne Hough and Cher will meet up again next week. They were in Burlesque together. Wonder if that’s one of the reasons why Cher picked next week to come. Either that or she didn’t think Chaz would be around much longer!
Just goes to show that making a connection with the audience is just as important as mastering the technical aspects of the dancing. Also, regarding the possibility of a “judge’s save” – they had one last season with the WTA Cha Cha – and remember the stink that caused? :p
I heard on the news before last night’s show aired that Cher was going to appear sometime in the audience. I knew there was no way Chaz was going home before Cher appeared.
I disagree, Red – they actually scored him low enough for me to believe that they were NOT trying to keep him around. Now David? Him they were desperate to keep around. They actually did what they could to get Chaz off the show this week (perhaps they’ve finally learned that if you want a bad dancer to go you can’t be handing out 7′s and 8′s?) including putting him in a bad spot in the running order and giving him an 18 while making sure everyone else (whether they deserved it or NOT) was several points ahead of him.
I fully expect – barring some great dancing – to see Chaz (and maybe Nancy) get not good scores next week. Would not be surprised to see Chaz get a 15 – unless Cher is there and the judges wimp.
Marlene, I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that Hope and Maks were kept in jeopardy down to the wire. I think that was for ratings purposes only, because I note that Tom said those magic words that the last 2 couples in jeopardy were not necessarily the lowest scoring plus vote-getting couples, just one of the couples was. I notice Tom doesn’t say that every time, so there has to be a reason when he says that – i.e., that one of the couples kept in jeopardy wasn’t the 2nd lowest score plus vote-getters. Hope and Maks probably got more votes than some couples who were announced safe earlier, but they got kept to the end for suspense/ratings.
Still, I think this might have been a good wake-up call for Hope so that she will take more seriously the judges’ repeated admonitions to be more feminine, stop using so much attack/strength on her moves and pay attention to the finishing of her moves (her arms, her walk, her flow). Louis van Amstel made the comment that her cha cha cha almost looked ‘butch’ (although Louis did say that he hesitated to use the word, but he used it anyway). She’s now seen someone like Kristin (who arguably was dancing better than Hope IMO, even if Kristin was unmemorable) get sent home, so it should hit home for her now that as the number of couples dwindles that there can be surprises. Maks has a good fanbase, but I can’t be sure how big Hope’s fanbase really is, especially if she doesn’t start dancing more like she needs to (and Maks may want to make the routines more fun and tone down some of the very overt sexiness he’s trying to portray with her – I thought her cha cha costume was WAAAY over-the-top and ended up emphasizing that she’s not really comfortable with sexiness/femininity). She can’t keep relying on how different ballroom dancing is from goaltending/soccer forever.
And regarding fan bases, we should also keep in mind that some fanbase members (i.e., 1 person) may cast 1000 votes for his/her favorite, while another fanbase member (i.e., 1 person) may only cast 10 votes for his/her fave. So it can also sometimes depend on how ‘rabid’ the members of a celeb’s and/or pro’s fanbase is.
I agree with Heidi – if there was any contestant that TPTB had a vested interest in keeping around this week, it was David. They practically rammed him down our throats. They weren’t cutting Chaz the same breaks or giving him the same boost they were David. And from the way they had Tom keep framing all of last night’s results with “this is the result of THE VIEWERS’ VOTES”, I have a feeling they were none too happy that Chaz was living to dance another week. He had a huge margin of votes to overcome – and he did. It was all viewers’ votes that kept him around – and honestly, it shouldn’t matter whether Cher promised to come next week if Chaz stuck around. People vote for wacky reasons already. Why should voting for Chaz in order to see Cher be any different?
And yes, mzetting, a judges’ save would be a bad idea – it’s just a WTA cha-cha without the facade of rewarding “the best dancer”. The judges have already proven they can’t even give regular scores properly (Bristol), and when given extra power to wield, they abused it (WTA cha-cha). And what happened both times? It backfired in a big way, and just pissed the viewers off. Why anyone would think giving them a “judges’ save” at this point is beyond me – if America didn’t vote for a couple the first time around, odds are not much is going to change if they get a stay of execution. There’s a reason why the 50% scores, 50% votes system (usually) works.
And for those so upset about Hope being in the “bottom 2″ – I think you guys would save yourselves quite a bit of anxiety if you just listened a bit more closely to how Tom phrases things
For all we know, Hope could have had the highest combined total of votes and judges’ points – they just need SOMEONE to be “in jeopardy” along with the person going home. Every couple will likely be “in jeopardy” at least once before the season ends, if they don’t get sent home first. Sometimes, it can be used as a tool by TPTB to nudge the less vigilant fans of a certain couple to vote – sometimes, it’s just random (bad) luck of the draw. The only couple I can think of that was never in jeopardy was Hines & Kym…which I still find rather odd.
Okay, this is the absolute craziest concept I’ve heard so far—Some on boards & twitter think because Sabrina isn’t doing the backstage interviews, and Mark was voted off so early, that “they/someone is up to something” or “something fishy is going on”. LMAO!! Oh my gosh….ha!
Weird season. Dancewise Kristin really deserved to last longer. Gotta get the vote out!
Mark looked seriously PO’d when they were called still in jeopardy. Guess Mark and Val will not be in EVERY Pro dance from now on out. ugg
Maybe Hines was pulling in a “sick” number of votes and putting him in “jeopardy” would have only made more people vote anyway. Hines probably didn’t need any help.
I was stunned when Chaz was declared safe. It was completely unexpected with his low judges’s scores. I’m beginning to think he has a Bristol Palin type fanbase — folks voting for a cause rather than the dancing.
I also think the Judges/TPTB trying to save David backfired on them with Kristen’s elimination. I think Mark is a major draw for the show. Kym is a draw, too; but David isn’t going to last that long unless they continue to prop him up. Kristen did have potential. But if the Judges aren’t going to score the Stars fairly and the Judges’s criticism is just silly most of the time, why should voters use any dance criteria when they vote? Couple that with blatant attempts by TPTB to manipulate who stays and who goes, then it is not surprising that voters attempt to manipulate the vote as well. When the rules are anything goes… well, then, anything goes.
BTW I’m saying that as an observation not as a criticism. I always give votes to the couple I think did the best in the evening. But I’ve also thrown votes towards the pure entertainment such as Carson or a few sympathy votes such as to Ty Murray because he was a nice guy. I’m also not a dance expert, I simply know what I like. I rely on Judges and sites like this to increase my knowledge of dance technique.
Anyway Elisabetta/Kristin/Chynna — all lovely women with potential to dance well. But all recede in the memory at the end of the night. I like Tony’s adherence to good ballroom technique but he needs to draw Chynna’s personality into the dance. I think she’s a feisty woman under the china doll Tony is choreographing her to present. Another aspect to the middle aged women who watch DWTS is we’re not shrinking violet, princess types.
Kirstie Alley did well because she came across as strong and confident — not a princess or a sex kitten but a woman who has lived life and was expressing it in dance. Last season in their dances, Maks with Kirstie made me believe he adored her despite her weight, despite her age — he was focused on her and appreciating her for who she is. The remaining male pros should be channeling Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers as they’re paired with strong, confident and accomplished women. Instead Maks and Derek seem intent on turning their partners into Marilyn Monroe. Tristan and Tony are on the right track but they need to show that they adore the strength and experience — they’re too detached from their partners.
Anyway back to Kristen. She was very low on my personal rank order list of this season’s stars. She was up against some powerhouses. I’ll miss Mark but not his shoes.
Cori, I thought Mark looked PO’d too. He looked angry in some of the new inverview videos too. The look in his eyes is almost scary. Seriously.
Kristin? Who?
Oh, some MTV “actor” I’ve never heard of? Meh, whatever.
Just get on with the show…
@Sheery Not sure if this is true but someone told me that Hines got more total votes than any other celeb in the history of the show.
Anyone know what the dances are next week. I think the only dances that require Hope to be aggressive and strong are the tango and paso; right? So if she has one of those dances next week…whe should be safe for another couple of weeks.
As much as TPTB push reality stars on us…they really do not have a big fan base; exceptions being Melissa and Stacey who both made it to the end; then they were good dancers also. I am not surprised Kristen went home this early…but Chaz should have gone before her.
Katy: “Anyone know what the dances are next week”
Be sure to check out the latest interview post to find out all the dances, but, one and more.
Leigh, I SO agree with you regarding how Maks insists on presenting Hope as a sex kitten – which she so obviously isn’t. That cha cha cha dress that was ‘tooting’ along with the fishnet stockings was almost not suitable for a ‘family’ show like DWTS. Just because she’s young and pretty doesn’t mean the sexy angle is the only or even the best way to present her to the viewers (or the judges). The other younger celeb women are being dressed sexy, but not over-the-top like Maks is dressing Hope (maybe he thinks it will distract us from the problems with her dancing? If so, it isn’t working – in fact it’s doing just the opposite). Maks might be better off going for sexy with Hope only when the dance really requires it, and otherwise just try to go for fun (like for the quick step) or power (like for tango and paso doble) when the dance requires it. Hope is not going to transform into a Chynna, but she could become a Ricki under Maks’ tutelage. So I do hope she stays around long enough to show what she can do.
RJ – no one knows about the voting unless they are an executive producer on the show. The rest is all heresay. Truckload of salt.
Leigh, you must be new here if you were stunned by Chaz. Go back and read my numbers post – as I’ve said 500,000 times, there is no need for a huge fanbase if you’re up against someone who has no fanbase at all. We have no idea how big a fanbase Chaz has. As for the voting and how people do it – there’s no right way! I just don’t get people who even bother to comment on it anymore. As for Derek turning his partner into Marilyn? LOL – yeah, that Derek REALLY doesn’t know what he’s doing on this show. He sucks at it, while Tony? He’s ACES. Hell, even Maks, for that matter, has been to the final or semi-final HOW many times in the last 5 seasons? The answer is 3. Yeah, he doesn’t know what he’s doing either and could take a lesson from Tony. Riiiight.
I will agree that Maks dressed Hope poorly this past week, but that has been one of his weak areas, IMO.
@Heidi – That along with his freestyles…. LOL
@Voguerista: Mark being PO’d is an understatement. He looks downright mad like a serial killer from a bad horror movie. I have to say though that I kinda think karma had something to do with him getting elimninated. Between his antics last season and his belief that Krisitn had great potential depsite her lack of personality and the fact that nobody really knew who she was in the first place (having a fanbase of teenagers and twenty year olds does not count asa big fan base in my opinion so I don’t really get why people are saying she has such a big fanbase).
On a side note, I thin the worst thing this week was Hope’s costume. She looked like the black swan meets project runway.
I am one of the “middle-aged” viewers/voters. I had never heard of Kristin, nor had I heard of JR. She hasn’t impressed me from day one, but JR has. And, I’m not just talking dancing…it has to be the whole package (at least for me). By the way, I thought Mark acted like a ass last night. The pros should act like PROS! I think Mark needs to take some etiquette lessons from Derek.
Thanks for the numbers Heidi!
Heidi, I actually usually like Maks’ costume designs/choices for his partners. I loved the way he dressed Erin, Brandy and Kirstie (when Kirstie let Maks design her outfits, she looked like a lady – you could immediately tell the outfits that Kirstie designed herself). That’s partly why I’m so surprised at the way he dressing Hope. Even if sexy was Hope’s thing, these outfits are way too much. Kristin and Ricki are both being dressed sexy and Val had dressed Elisabetta sexy, without any of these ladies looking like the infamous ‘garden tool’. If Maks wants Hope to be more ladylike, then maybe he should start by dressing her accordingly.
I wish Maks would think back to season four and Laila Ali – Laila looked wonderful!
Maybe Maks is going with sexy costumes on the theory that if Hope looks the part, she’ll begin to feel it. Once she releases her inner vamp, the costume won’t matter as much. That cha-cha went a long way toward his goal!
So Kristin got the gong a couple weeks early and Mark is all agro over it. Feel sorry for Kristin; Mark not so much. Dude should know how things roll on DWTS. After all, he’s been on the other end of that particular horse. Mr. Spats needs to regain some perspective, and I really think a season or two off would help him with that.
As for Maks’s fashion design skills or lack thereof, I generally like what he chooses for his celebs. I thought Hope looked good in the VWaltz gown, and I had no problems with the Jive outfit either. I didn’t care for the cha-cha dress (it was scary looking). Still, Shep has a point that he could have chosen the costume to help her “feel” the part. If so, I agree that it worked like a charm
Vin, I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw that emotion in his eyes. Very “evil” like.
Really people? “Evil” “serial killer”?? The man was pissed off because he and his partner had just been eliminated a couple of weeks earlier than just about EVERYONE predicted. He’s not about to cover The Grove in body parts!
Regarding Hope’s “sexiness,” I saw her on Access Hollywood Live this morning (while minding the waiting room TV at work, so I don’t have it DVRed and can’t cite an exact quote on anything), and she’s apparently comfortable enough with her sensual side to agree to be photographed nude on the cover of Sports Illustrated. I think she IS sexy and does think of herself that way, although it’s not in a flirty-girly way… all of her poses are very dynamic — she’s running towards the camera in the cover shot — and nothing at all like a stereotypical pinup girl. Paso could be very good for her, indeed. I also thought it seemed like she didn’t want to talk about DWTS or Maks during her interview, answering with one-word comments (like, “Maks is fine”) and looking kind of flustered that they brought it up. Did she think they wouldn’t? It might be just a silly little reality show, but it’s her primary source of media exposure right now. I know the purpose of her doing DWTS is to promote women’s soccer and increase public awareness of her sport, but it seemed a little standoffish to me.
Evaine, I would never think Mark could be a “serial killer”. But, I do agree with Vin seeing an evil side to him and everything else Vin said about Mark.
I’m just… okay. Evil….
I cut Mark some slack at being upset in the immediate aftermath of being voted off early. It’s not his fault that he got assigned a partner who had little or no voting fan base. And getting voted off before their time (based on quality of dancing/talent of Kristin) has to sting, especially after the hard work that both pro and celeb put in starting 3 weeks before the season and during the season. On top of that, it has to hurt his pride as a professional dancer, teacher and choreographer to get voted off so early. And even more, he’s losing paychecks (I believe the pros get paid for each week they’re on the show) unless the show brings him back to perform and/or choreograph pro dance numbers. And the show is his main means of broad public exposure to help fuel his desired career as a singer (and actor?). His and Kristin’s being sent home early costs Mark a lot on a personal and professional level – even more so than Kristin.
I don’t see an evil side to Mark or to any of the pros on the show.
You evil Evaine? No way!! My apologies and I hope I didn’t offend you or anything.xxx Maybe “evil” is too strong of a word to describe it.
Maybe Vogue, especially coming from you (’cause you’re the sweet one!).
Evil to me is like Jeffrey Dahmer and creatures of that ilk. I don’t think there’s a mean bone in Mark’s body, I really don’t. Can he be self-centred? Hell yes! They ALL can, they’re performers and to be successful there has to be some of that going on! But … no, not evil.
Well, I definitely agree with you in that way then.
I wanted to make it clear that I only meant it for what I saw in some of the interview videos today. I don’t think he’s an evil (angry) person all around.
Hahaha Vin!!! “black swan meets project runway”
I love it!
It does not excuse Mark being voted earliernthan he anticipated. He was there, with Bristolm when Audrina and Brandy, all left early. They were better dancers than Kristin. While she was better than Chaz, does not mean much. It is not like we lost JR this early. Nor is Mark the first pro who had a partner with an unknown fan base. Those pros all handled it better and showed support to their partner while in that still in jeopardy part. Mark was not supporting Kristin. His hands were in his pockets. He is a veteran pro. He has been a beneficiary on both ends of an excellent dancer winning and a mediocre one going far on fan base. In short, I think Mark needs to mature.
Andrea – I just watched that AH interview posted on this site. The last half of the interview she was talking about DWTS openly. Not sure where you are getting the standoff vibe from? She didn’t seem irritated that they were talking about the show at all.
I think this early elimination hurt Marks ego. Somehow I get the feeling that he thinks he is one of the top seasoned pros on the dancefloor. Two time champ and all.. I really think that Mark has lost some popularity over the past few years. Just Rubbing the viewers the wrong way… Does a “Hand Gesture” ring a bell to anyone!!!
I do feel bad for Kristin and her early dismise but not for Mark, won’t miss him at all.
I’m sure getting voted off early hurt Mark’s ego. It would hurt anyone’s ego, particularly that of a dance professional. It’s really easy for us to throw around our judgments. Could he have behaved better? Sure, we all could at times of extreme disappointment. But none of us knows what’s going on in his life and how this disappointment might be adding insult to injury. We are all happy to take the upside of life, but truth be told, none of us takes the downside with the same level of acceptance (some of us just fake it better). It’s just a show to us, but it’s a lot more to these dance pros who invest their reputations. But at least he can take solace in the fact that most people were surprised that he and Kristin got voted off so early. For the pros and their celeb partners who’ve invested so much in order to give each performance, they’ve gotta feel gutted when they get voted off, even though they know the rules of the game.
I just finished watching H8R with Maks as one of the guests. It just reminds me even more to be careful of the judgments we make about people we think we know from tv and print. Easy to misjudge people. We might be right, but there’s an even better chance that we’re wrong.
Great insights Leigh at #70.
Leigh, #70, thanks.
It bothered me that Maks was so intent on making Hope turn into nothing but a sex kitten. Frankly, she looked and moved more slutty to me than sexy – through no fault of her own.
I’m beginning to realize that Maks did better with partners who were really partners. Mel B and Kirstie knew exactly who they were and wouldn’t be turned into whatever weird idea of femininity Maks has. Erin was tough and also stood up for herself.
Maks says he wants Hope to relax and be herself. Maybe she isn’t a piece of sex meat. Just sayin’
Miss Heidi, in comment 33 you said ” for a change ” are you implying ” Zach usally has no clue what he’s talking about but for once his brain actually didn’t fart as he typed “????
KIDDING. 
Chynna has been very ” fiesty ” to me the past two weeks. Just go watch her Jive or her kicking Tony where the sun don’t shine, Leigh
. I DO NOT understand the questioning of her personailty because she has JUST as much as Nancy and Ricki etc. Everyone was more subdued this week. I don’t understand all this ” Chynna’s not memorable ” jumbo with all do respect. I”ll say till the cows come home ” I know. Sorry. 
No better term LOL ” that she has 3 times the memorability factor of Kristin and she was heavily doubted preseason too. I believe the pre-season rankings had her a 2nd to go. She was underestimated then and I say she still is now. Just my opinion.
I didn’t love Maks & Hopes cha-cha or the costume & make-up but I don’t think he’s trying to turn her into a sex kitten either. Given the song it would be weird to do an upbeat/happy dance. I get that he was going for dark/mysterious/sexy but it was an over the top sexy that Hope can’t quite pull off. In their V.Waltz he was going for elegant and in thier jive he was going for fun. I am curious to see Hope attempt something more subtle like the Rumba.
Tori, I freely admit that I could’ve totally read the interview wrong (and been distracted by having to work while at work!). idk, I watched it again and saw the raised eyebrows of incredulity when they first broached the subject of DWTS, and I definitely thought she’d seemed more at ease when they were talking before. I think Hope has every right to be frustrated with the demands of a double schedule, the criticism of her “sexiness”/”femininity,” the feeling that might let her whole team down if she doesn’t do well, working with one of the admittedly more headstrong pros,
and on and on and on. The pressure on her must be ridiclously intense. But if DWTS doesn’t fit for her, then…. it just doesn’t fit. idk, I just don’t get the vibe that she feels comfortable in that whole environment. But like I said before, I’m hoping paso doble opens up a whole ‘nother side of dance for her.
Zach – I agree with you concerning Chynna. Personality-wise I feel kinda the same about JR, Ricki and Chynna. Great dancers but not super wacky personalities that stick out like David or Carson. I think her performances are beautiful and elegant (of course always room for improvement). I DO think that the relationship between JR/Karina and Ricki/Derek as a team is stronger. Chynna as a dancer stands out to me but not Chynna and Tony as a team…if that makes sense.
I’m just a Tony fan. I like thier partnership though unlike say Wendy or Kathy.
Ricki and Derek have made fan videos and they are incredibly silly, goofy and funny together. For one reason or another, the packages are not showing this side of her personality…. yet. Reminds me of how they packaged Nicole, when in reality she and Derek were having more fun than not. I am beginning to see Chynna’s personality more and more and I’m digging her actually. I think she is really funny in her interviews.
I just wanted to stay that I love Courtney Cox and David together. They hugged after his dance. For all his craziness and their problems, they seem to support one another for their daughter’s sake. Love it.
I’m not the biggest fan of Maks’ choreography but I disagree about him trying to make Hope into something she isn’t. I think that Hope herself, judging by the ESPN cover and interviews, wants to venture into the sexy side of her character. Plus, she is out there to make a statement about different body types being equally attractive.
I don’t think she managed to pull it off but she certainly tried. It does look somewhat unnatural for her but I like the fact that she is not afraid to make herself look like a fool while in such a vulnerable position. She may be not as in tune with her inner self as some of the other contestants but I don’t hold it against her because, as an athlete, she is used to achieving things via effort and hard work as opposed to searching deep inside oneself.
Did anyone noticed that Tristan was the only male not included in the all male pro dance number that opened the results show last week? I wonder why he wasn’t included in that. Also, I thought that Val did an amazing job choreographing that difficult routine. It look like some of the guys had trouble with it.
@Pammers – I believe I read that Tristan had strained his back earlier and TPTB and/or Tristan decided it was best for him to sit that dance out.
No worries!
Thanks! I hadn’t heard that, now I feel better. I really like both Tristan and Val this season. I was very impressed with Val and his choreography and I hope that we see more.
Found some interesting article online I wanted to share with everyone too.
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2011/10/why-is-everyone-shocked-about-dancing.html
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2011/10/some-easy-but-fun-dancing-with-stars.html
Don’t worry Zach, that’s the way this site goes. They said Mark looks evil. They even laughed with people who agrred with them… Instead of a warning. How irresponsible is that. What IF i had said Derek hough looks evil? ….
If you had said that Maddy, I would have said that YET AGAIN you were being a troll – because you have a very trollish history on this site. If someone unknown had come in here with that, I would have thought the same thing. Fact is, Vogue and several other people were having a nice, calm discussion sharing opinions and thoughts on what they saw in a video. Because of the people involved, and their history of good behavior, reasonable conversations and the ability to disagree without getting nasty about it (something you could learn from), I kept my opinions to myself and it resolved itself. Besides all that, Mark does have a recent history of bad behavior. Do I think the word “evil” was apt? No, I thought it was a bit OTT, frankly – but the conversation never veered into an ugly situation. No warnings were needed for an exchange of opinions. There was never any bad behavior – in fact, I saw apologies. Something else you could learn from.
Now go read the whole discussion again and take notes. LEARN from it. Because a post like this one that I’m responding to is unacceptable and could be considered strike two. No more talking about the site on the site – if you don’t like it, LEAVE.
Oh Zach, just when you had a good streak of ONE going, you blow it. No, I meant that I actually agreed with you for a change. And it’s “usually”.
I was only kidding, Miss Heidi.
Heidi, You run a nice, tight ship and I like it. We’re free to speak our minds, but discussions never spiral out of control here. It’s a lot of work for you, I know. So…thanks.
I too was surprised that Chaz stayed. But, I’m not sorry to see Kristen and Mark go. Thank goodness I won’t have to see his Pee Herman-like, spastic dance moves! I’m very surprised as to how many people seem upset about this. Kristen was really forgettable and I couldn’t even remember her dances after the show. She just didn’t have enough people voting for her, period. End of story.
@Jo – I don’t think it’s so much that people are upset that Kristin left…I think they’re more upset because Chaz stayed. Seems like some folks are afraid that Chaz will become this season’s Bristol – outlasting higher-scoring, more skilled dancers. I’m honestly not too worried about that happening – I think Chaz was just fortunate this week to be up against a girl who was simply not making a huge impact and likely didn’t have much of a voting fanbase in the first place. I’m not sure he’ll be so lucky in the coming weeks – if I know the judges, they’ll likely continue scoring Chaz pretty low, and, barring any royal f-ups by any of the other couples, will score everyone else relatively high in order to increase the points spread. He might be able to outlast David and/or possibly Nancy, but I don’t see him busting any major moves to make it into the finale. Now Carson on the other hand…;-)
Unless Chaz really wows them the next show, he may go home next week or the week after. Carson cracks me up, but I don’t want him to stay in over better dancers just because he’s funny.
I’ll be happy with a Chyna, JR, and Ricki finale.
great comments. i’ve known mark since he was a loittle boy and he has always been a well mannered person. he just had a bad day. shirley and corky are good parents and people.