DWTS Season 13, The Finale – Dancing by the Numbers
YAY!!! It’s almost over. I can relax, have some turkey and stuffing, play some video games, drink some beer….oh wait, nothing has been stopping me from drinking beer.
Anyway, it was great at the start of the season and it’s great at the end. Got a little rough in the middle but all is well now. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – think JR will likely win. Don’t know who will get second and third – but does it really matter?? Nah. I’m zen.
I think it should be Ricki in second since she has the highest average for the season and did better last night than Rob did, regardless of the scoring, but it is what it is. I like all three contestants a good deal.
Anyway, on with the numbers after two dances:
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Rob | 57 | 34.55 |
| 2. | JR | 54 | 32.73 |
| 2. | Ricki | 54 | 32.73 |
As you might guess, that three points isn’t much protection for Rob and they have one dance left to go before they reveal third place. Essentially, Ricki and JR each need 18,200 votes per million votes cast to get past him right now. But that’s without the third dance added in. Everything depends on how the judges rank – Rob is guaranteed 2nd place in judges scores, regardless of how he dances, thanks the some over scoring on the judges parts. Really don’t think a Freestyle where Cheryl did all the work is worthy of a 30 – really it begs the question…do the judges know the voting results from the previous week?? Because I can see overscoring Rob if they KNOW JR is killing it in the voting department and they want an exciting finale.
So, what does the third dance do?? It could do a whole lot – or just make it harder for JR to win.
The third dance is ranked – first place gets 30 points, second place gets 28 points and third place gets 26 points. Now, my cynical brain tells me that they gave Rob a 30 on his freestyle because they already know they’re giving him a 26 on his favorite dance. Which would put him in second place with either JR or Ricki in first place – but the spread will be EXTREMELY close. And what did we say about them throwing it on the voters?? We said they would either make it close or it really would be close – whether it’s the former or later here is debatable. I personally think Rob’s freestyle was really worthy of a 27 – but what fun would that be? Anyway, in scenario 1 we will assume Rob does indeed get the 26 and we’ll assume Ricki gets the 30. Scenario 2 is JR getting the 30 – just reverse JR and Ricki’s names in the narrative below.
Scenario 1
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Ricki | 84 | 33.73 |
| 2. | Rob | 83 | 33.33 |
| 3. | JR | 82 | 32.93 |
Gee, that’s not close at all.
Oy. Okay, for JR to WIN in this scenario, he will need both of the following things to happen:
- He needs 4,020 more votes per million votes cast than Rob, AND;
- He needs 8,040 more votes per million votes cast than Ricki.
This is nothing. Really nothing. Less than 1 percent less than both of them to win. What does Rob have to do to win in this scenario?
- He needs for JR to NOT get 4,020 votes per million votes cast, AND;
- He needs to get 4,020 more votes per million votes cast than Ricki.
Again, too close to call in this scenario. It really comes down to which fanbase is really laying it all on the line PLUS what the average viewer is doing. Now remember, for scenario 2, just reverse JR and Ricki’s names above. Done?
The next scenario that does not involve Ricki and JR taking first and second in the “favorite” dance, is the one where Rob takes first place, Ricki takes second and JR takes third. Again, if you want to see what the other version is, where Ricki takes third and JR takes second, just reverse their names in the scenario below.
Scenario 3
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Rob | 87 | 34.94 |
| 2. | Ricki | 82 | 32.93 |
| 3. | JR | 80 | 32.13 |
If Rob takes first place in the favorite dance? Beside there being no justice in the world, it makes things hairier than it needs to be for both JR and Ricki. Ricki has the highest average score for the season and JR is in second place – in what universe does Rob really get and deserve first place in the favorite dance?? But, we’re dealing with Carrie Ann, here, and once she loves you you’re golden. Here’s what JR needs to do if Rob gets first and he gets third:
- JR would need 28,120 more votes per million votes cast to beat Rob, AND;
- JR would need 8,040 more votes per million votes cast to beat Ricki.
That doesn’t actually seem like it would be difficult for JR. But reverse JR and Ricki and I don’t know that Ricki can get past either JR or Rob – it’s really hard to say at this point because the massive Kardashian fanbase should NOT coincide with the DWTS audience and he should be relying on average viewers, but you just never know. Really difficult call. In the above scenario, Ricki needs 20,100 votes per million votes cast to get past Rob.
I know – this is tougher to follow than previous numbers posts, but it seems everything does hinge on the Favorite dance. IF JR or RICKI take first place, I think it will be easily JR for the win and Ricki for second place – although Rob could steal second from her. If Rob takes first place, then it’s a lot more work but still doable for JR. Much tougher for Ricki.
One final scenario – Rob taking second place in the favorite dance. Sticking to the previous formula, let’s say that Ricki gets first and JR third – if you want to know what happens if that is reversed, just switch their names around.
Scenario 4
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Rob | 85 | 34.14 |
| 2. | Ricki | 84 | 33.73 |
| 3. | JR | 80 | 32.13 |
As you can see, Rob is still in first place.
In this scenario, what does it take for Ricki to win? Both of the following things need to happen:
- She needs to get 4,020 more votes per million votes cast to beat Rob, AND;
- She needs JR to NOT get 16,100 more votes per million votes cast than her.
I suppose that is doable, but I really do see JR running away with the voting. Come on people, he had the cover of People magazine, he was one of the sexiest men in another issue (as was Derek, but still), and he was featured on Nightline last night – I’m sure there’s a lot more than that, but the PR machine has been in overdrive PLUS he’s a hell of a nice guy, a war hero and a good dancer.
Anyway, in the above scenario, if you switch JR and Ricki, it’s no problem at all for JR, in my opinion.
Okay, so we’ve looked at Rob winning the favorite dance, Rob coming in second and Rob coming in third. That feels like not enough scenarios, but it is when you consider that JR and Ricki come into the night with the same score. We used Ricki as the high scorer over JR in all scenarios, simply to keep it clean and less difficult to follow. But again, just reverse their names in any scenario to see what’s what.
At the end of the day, Rob is guaranteed no less than second place in judges scores and if he places first or second in the favorite dance, he takes FIRST place – but the margins are not difficult to overcome. The BEST scenario, of course, is for Ricki and JR to take first and second place – in either order. That makes a win for JR much easier and second place for Ricki more likely.
After all that, I think it’s JR for the win. Second place is anybody’s guess, but I think Ricki deserves it. She’s got the highest judges average going into tonight, and has been as consistently good as JR. Rob didn’t dance as well as his scores indicate last night. Neither dance was worthy of the 30. The only 30 that should have been handed out last night was JR’s freestyle. Will Ricki get second place?? It depends on the favorite dance. Does it matter? Nah.
There’s the winner and then there’s everyone else.








Heidi, you sound like my boss. She commented today how much she loved last night since it was ‘happier’ and not so much drama as we’ve seen.
Anyway, great numbers post. I love all the scenerios. I honestly can’t fathom what’s going to happen tonight?
All shady business from the judges aside, I do think justice will prevail tonight and JR will run away with the MBT. I think he’s got the most universal appeal of the remaining contestants, and has been the best combination of technique & performance quality this season. Plus it’s extraordinarily hard for me to dislike a guy that got horribly disfigured while serving our country, yet still feels secure enough with himself to crack jokes about missing an ear
If he doesn’t win…I honestly think I might cry. Hell, I’ll probably cry even if he wins! Love that guy to bits.
But I must confess: I think I might be most excited for Carson’s comeback dance. You guess ready to “Vogue”?
It definitely did seem more happier. It seems like all of the contestants are rooting each other on and will be truly happy no matter who wins!
Are you sure about J.R. and Karina doing the jive tonight?
I’ve seen quite a few mentions of them doing the rumba…
Can I just say that I really need a drink
So confusing.
We’re fairly certain, unless there was a last-minute change. I’ve noticed that there’s been a lot of unsourced monkeying around on wikipedia, which may be leading people to think he’s doing his rumba. Yesterday I had someone try to tell me that JR & Karina were definitely doing their quickstep “because wikipedia says so”.
“Because wikipedia says so” LOL
That’s the weakest argument ever.
We live in the eastern time zone, but are visiting in the pacific. Between being in transit and the time difference, we did not see the Monday show until this morning (Tuesday), to late to vote.
It really seems like Scenario 2 will come into play, with the judges keeping it close and letting the popular vote prevail. Hopefully JR will win, as he is such a class act all around. No question that Rob is the most improved, but Rikki has to be a close second. It would also be nice for Karina to break into the winner’s circle.
My wife commented that durung the free style, JR really took control of all those lifts, as if he were the pro.
Also, we would like to thank Princess Heidi, Vougerista, Courtney, John, et al for all the work they put in on this blog/commentary over the course of a Season. This site is head and shoulders over the rest, and I think the moderation is one of the reasons. Looking forward to the next season already!
Could you imagine them doing their emotional rumba and then not winning, all in the same show. The crowd would be so emotionally invested and then hear they didn’t win, it just wouldn’t seem fair to me.
I love the numbers but I have to say they make my head spin. But thanks for all your hard work. Hoping for a JR win.
Courtney, I’ll cry either way tonight too. I’m confident JR and Karina will win so we’ll be crying happy tears. I’ve become a big fan of both of them. Of all the teams that were hyped going into this season, I don’t think many thought these two would be the ones to watch. I sure didn’t. To see Ricki and Derek right behind them would be icing on the cake. Rob should be third.
JR just posted a message to the fans and he’s was wearing his red & black (jive looking outfit).
sheery: I think that must be his samba outfit. It’s none of the outfits he’s worn before and I don’t remember them getting new outfits for their favorite dance in the finale before.
No, as far as I can remember, they don’t get new outfits for the repeat dance just because it’s the finale.
If J.R. doesn’t win, then there is seriously no justice in this world.
I really hope its JR! LOOOOOOVED his freestyle and thought Cheryl did the work for rob in the freestyle! Im so tired of people saying JR gets votes because he is a veteran! He’s an actor…. what’s rob again? A reality star that’s famous because of his sister!? He did not deserve his waltz score being bent over the entire time and stimbly!
Even would hope its Rickie even though she had an advantage being in hairspray. Now watch it’ll be Rob! *sigh*
I was talking with my friends about who will win. One said it’s most definetly not going to going to be JR because he wasn’t popular enough. That really syeprised and confused me. Another says it will be Rob or Ricki(I can’t tell who she favors) because she voted for Rob 12 times, but while we were debating she kept saying she said Ricki would win, and that’s who she’s cheering for. Voting for Rob 12 times doesn’t make much of a difference(and I voted 15 for JR). The last person I talked to said they didn’t know who would win, but if Rob won they would boycott the show. I refuse to believe JR won’t win. Unless scenario 3 happens, I am very confident.
I voted for JR 20 times (5 calls 4 phones), this is the one time I wish I still had at&t to text vote!
Sarah, I recall Erin had different outfits for her 1st and 2nd samba, both memorable outfits.
I loved the freestyles…J.R. was really good and I enjoyed Ricki’s…not so much Rob’s…I really want Ricki to win…feel she deserves it…but I don’t think she will…Rob though most improved should not win on popularity…my guess is J.R. for the win….Ricki should be 2nd but the judges messed with that since her and J.R. were tied for 2nd and eberyone probably voted for J.R. and forgot about Ricki…still think Ricki should win but am resigned to the fact it will be J.R.
Thanks, again. Great writeup. I just hope we don’t learn one day that something is amiss with scoring, tabulating votes, whatever. It would be somewhat clumsy to the format, but I would have at least one more judge in the interest of fairness. Good comments, Courtney, JR has a natural entertainment presence and he understands how much less fortunate many others have been in the service of our nation.
Service of the United States. I correct myself. The sentiment applies globally.
Katarina: True, but that were two different dances. Samba was Erin’s redemtion dance. Her favorite dance of the season was the argentine tango.
Katarina, samba was Erin’s redemption dance (new routine). Her favorite dance was Argentine tango, and she wore the same costume both times.
Sorry duds, don’t mean 2 nag but (real curious here) when’s the cheese comin for week 9′? Most of you are probably waiting for the turkey to come… not me, Canadian Thanksgiving was last month! Don’t mean to disturb your peace thinking ’bout turkey Heidi!
LOL Izzy, I could use some cheesecake with my Thanksgiving too.
There will be cheese after Turkey.
double cheese with a side of LOLz.
Brookebot malfunctioned and pretty much gave it away before the results were announced. I wasn’t the biggest Ricki fan but its a shame she didn’t make the final 2 especially after getting the 30. We know why the votes weren’t animous CA voted for Rob to get 2nd or even worst 1st. Here’s hoping JR to win it all!
Derek and Ricki showed how to make an exit just like they danced. True class and elegance. If only they could all behave that way.
Now JR better win this damn thing.
Many of us have believed that the winner was already picked by the judges very early on in the competition. No matter what the dance, nor how many errors, the judges just gushed over Rob Kardashian.
Also, there were many slanderous remarks and name-calling made to the contestants which had nothing to do with a critique of their dancing.
For this show to continue, either get new judges or return to a professionalism.
So nervous …. lets go JR!
Ok, totally agree that JR better win damn it. If they show another close up of those famewhores
Now that Ricki has been told that no matter how hard you work or improve it really doesn’t mean anything could someone who is used to analyzing what this show is supposed to be about tell me why the judges shafted Ricki and pimped Rob last night with those scores? Was it to protect JR or what?
I HATE to say it, but JR is not WOWing me like he did earlier in the season. I think his ankle may have cost him. I know I few people who only watch and vote on the final…
Wow what a show!!! And the right dancer won!!!
Congratulations to JR & Karina! I could not be happier!
Please don’t anyone come after me with a meat clever, but I had my doubts tonight about who would win.
I have supported JR & Karina since day one, but I felt like Rob & Cheryl gave them a run for the mirror ball trophy tonight.
Ricki and Derek were a total class act.
i wish there could have been three MBT winners tonight.
Again, congrats to JR & Karina!
Me too, Doris. All 3 finalists were amazing. Loved Derek and Mark hoisting JR and karina on their shoulders.
I’m happy for JR/Karina fans. I’m not ashamed to admit I have a mild case of hrumph and disgruntlement that Derek didn’t win.
I’m also miffed about that blue prom dress and two, count ‘em TWO of those awful bubble dresses he put on Ricki (the jive and the samba). They looked awful on her. Loved seeing the Psycho dance again! JR’s samba tonight did ROCK and yes he deserved it. Still…
It was also WONDERFUL to see the two female pros (Cheryl and Karina) beaming and so happy. They deserved the honor big time! It made me happy
Sidebar: Derek is going to be co-hosting with Kelly Ripa??? True or false? oh my
Congratulatoins JR and Karina! Now I can go tell my friends I you them so!!!! It’s the first season since season 8 my favorite dancer won. I am not sure if Im happier about JR winning, or a new pro winning. Congratulations Karina, you earned it!
Mary – YES Derek is cohosting Live with Kelly. WhooooHoooo!!