DWTS Season 14, Week 8 – Dancing by the Numbers
Pardon me while I rant for a while. I wrote this first section right after the show and to say I was pissed of might be an understatement.
Gee, I would really love that I so completely NAILED what the judges were going to do last night, if it didn’t suck so terribly BAD. Seriously, Maria gets hosed by Len (twice), Roshon has a comeback arc, Wee Willy gets high scores of the night…the only thing I missed on was Katherine. I cry foul. I hate being right. Only other thing I was wrong about was that it seemed it wasn’t a group effort but that Len was the designated ass last night.
In no universe was Willy’s first dance that much better than Maria’s – Len smokes crack. Then the second dance? Sure, Derek took a risk but I thought that dance was so cute and so creative…but I would understand an 8 from Len (since he lacks vision), but a 7?? Get real. Me thinks Maria was getting the votes last week and Willy wasn’t. Derek knows what he’s doing….he’s done it before. But a 7 and an 8?? You know what else? I wouldn’t even have minded the 7…if they had scored Willy realistically and that 8 for Maria’s V. Waltz had been a 9 like it should have been. That 30 for William was out of the park ridiculous.
And a word to those of you who claim that Len judges Derek’s choreo and it’s not fair – well, what did he do last night, eh?? Any hypocrites willing to go on record?? Just one of many things that annoy me. I personally think that the choreo is part of the package and that it goes to showcasing the celeb – but I see this complaint far too many times from people who won’t say a word about last night when Len made it EXTREMELY clear that he was judging the choreo – that’s all he talked about. It does work both ways – if you hate judging on the choreo, you kinda have to hate it when it goes against Derek as well as when it works for him. Otherwise…
Then again, Cheryl clearly isn’t being judged on her choreo…at all.
Now let’s discuss Donald, shall we?? I dare you to play his two dances at the same time as William’s and tell me that William was the more deserving dancer. In what Universe?? Not only is Donald more enjoyable, but he’s actually the better mover!! Especially look at William’s trio dance – look at his pancake hands and how he has a tendency to stick his ass out. Then compare their showmanship – Donald wins hands down. Someone explain to me how Donald comes out two points behind in this deal?? He’s a far more exciting dancer and shouldn’t that be part of the deal?? Donald should have had the perfect score last night.
Really, Katherine is sweet but pretty boring when it comes to dancing…but she’s also ten times the dancer William is – please remove your genitalia from the scoring criteria. Thanks. If Katherine goes home tomorrow so that William can stay in order to build your Spanish viewers in preparation of the Univision deal, it’s on your heads.
Attention judges and TPTBWTHUCA – when *I* want to turn the channel and start praying for Derek to not come back to your show?? YOU got problems. You’re really putting me off this show, and I would consider myself die hard (Derek or no Derek), considering how much time I spend on this damn blog.
Okay, now that that’s off my chest…
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | William | 57 | 17.43 |
| 2. | Roshon | 56 | 17.13 |
| 3. | Donald | 55 | 16.82 |
| 3. | Katherine | 55 | 16.82 |
| 5. | Maria | 53 | 16.21 |
| 6. | Melissa | 51 | 15.60 |
Holeee cow!! This is a seriously small spread, people. Is this the first time that they’ve had 6 couples in the quarter finals?? Because two dances and six couples adds up to a whole lotta points and a VERY small spread. I honestly have no clue what is going to happen. Wow. If I were Katherine, I would hold my breath because Maria and Melissa don’t have to do much to pull this out.
Melissa is up first – she needs VERY little in order to stay away from the double elimination. Very little. She is totally untested against everyone left except for Roshon, so I guess we find out tonight how well she’s really doing. In order for Melissa to stick around, she needs TWO of the following:
- She needs to get 6,120 more votes per million votes cast than Maria, AND/OR;
- She needs to get 12,240 more votes per million votes cast than EITHER Katherine or Donald, AND/OR;
- She needs 15,300 more votes per million votes cast than Roshon, AND/OR;
- She needs 18,350 more votes per million votes cast than William.
And now you see the issue. These numbers are TINY. We already know that she can beat Roshon handily. The question is, is she covering the margin between her and Maria or her and Katherine, etc?? We don’t actually know and I can’t really hazard a guess at this point.
What about Maria?? Well, again, the margins are small and we only know that she has beaten Roshon in the past. What does she need in order to stick around? She needs TWO of the following:
- She needs Melissa to not cover the spread, AND/OR;
- She needs 6,120 more votes per million votes cast than Katherine OR Donald, AND/OR;
- She needs 9,180 more votes per million votes cast than Roshon, AND/OR;
- She needs 12,240 more votes per million votes cast than William.
Again, wow. Melissa might surpass Maria easily, but I feel like Maria can beat Katherine and Roshon. But it’s hard to say – only Maria is more unknown than Katherine in this cast. This is CLOSE. And we have no idea who’s getting what votes. Okay, moving on…Katherine and Donald. What do they have to do to stay, besides hope that Maria and Melissa don’t cover the spread?? They need TWO of the following to happen:
- He/She needs 3,060 more votes per million votes cast than Roshon, AND/OR;
- He/She needs 6,120 more votes per million votes cast than William, AND/OR;
- He/She needs ONE more vote that Him/Her.
- He/She needs neither Melissa nor Maria to cover their respective spreads.
Okay. I think Katherine clearly beats Roshon. But I don’t think she’s beating William OR Donald. But she doesn’t have to as long as she’s beating Roshon and either Melissa or Maria isn’t covering the spread.
So, at the end of the day, I think that only Donald and William are safe, but even then, William’s safety is not a sure thing. But let’s guess that William and Donald are safe – I’m relatively comfortable with that, thanks to the judges ridiculous pimping of William. But that same pimping also makes me wonder – what are they afraid of?
Again, I digress. I can’t seem to help it this week. I can’t help but think that Roshon is going to go home. He was in the bottom two three times and his being in the bottom two didn’t seem to help his standings at all. Meaning that he continued to fall into the bottom two even AFTER his fans got “scared” by nearly being eliminated. That hasn’t pulled him out of the bottom two. Tonight the spreads are smaller than ever and he’s not as protected as one might think. Last week, Melissa only needed 13.7k to beat Roshon and she got it. This week? She only needs 15.3k – that’s more, but this guy has been in the bottom two three times – Melissa has never been there.
Maria has never been there either, and for the same reason listed above, I think she beats Roshon. The question is – how is she doing against the rest?? I have no clue. At all. For whatever reason, I look at those numbers and think it’s going to be Katherine and Roshon – that’s just my gut instinct. My brain keeps telling me Katherine….now maybe it’s Roshon that I’m wrong about and it will be either Katherine and Maria or Katherine and Melissa. But then I go back to all the times that Roshon’s been in the bottom two…can he really pull it out this time when the numbers are smaller for everyone except Melissa? Here’s what the people below him collectively need for Roshon to be eliminated:
- Melissa needs 15,300 more votes per million votes cast than Roshon;
- Maria needs 9,180 more votes per million votes cast than Roshon;
- Katherine (or Donald) needs 3,060 more vote per million votes cast than Roshon.
Hmmm…..this is a tough one. Katherine can certainly get the votes to beat Roshon. The problem here isn’t that – it’s what Melissa and Maria have in terms of voters. Since it’s a double elimination, it’s not enough for Katherine to beat Roshon, she also needs Melissa and Maria to NOT cover their spreads. If both of them do, then Katherine goes home in this scenario.
The big question marks here are really Katherine, Maria and Melissa. We know all three have beaten Roshon at least once for Roshon to fall into the bottom two. Melissa was scored lower than Roshon two out of the three times he fell into the bottom two – she’s proven against him. But she’s not proven against the other two ladies and the other two ladies aren’t as solid against Roshon. Maria was tied with Roshon one of the three times he was in the bottom two, but the other two times she was scored higher. This time she’s scored lower…so she’s in real danger here. It depends on how pissed off people were by Len’s scoring. Katherine? She’s a little more solid, theoretically, against Roshon than Maria is, since she was actually 2 points lower than Roshon one of the weeks he was in the bottom two. The other two weeks she was well head of him in scores. So, it’s very likely that Roshon is in the bottom two again – but it’s not a sure thing. Realistically, since Maria and Katherine had very little or no votes to get to pass Roshon such that he fell into the bottom two the previous three times, it might be that they weren’t getting that many more votes than him, they were just protected. Neither is protected this time and have to make up a margin. The question is, can they?
Melissa? Like I said, she’s proven against Roshon…but that’s not enough because of the double elimination. We have no idea how she stacks up against Katherine and Maria and both ladies are ahead of her in judges scores. Has she worn out her welcome? Or is her fanbase too strong for Maria and Katherine? Was Len’s tongue lashing and low scoring of Maria a galvanizing factor getting people to vote for Maria? Ah, great DWTS mysteries.
At the end of the day, I have to make a guess and I think Roshon is going to be in the bottom two. I would like for it to be Melissa there with him. But NO combination of Roshon, Katherine, Melissa or Maria would surprise me in the slightest. But, since I have to make a guess, I’m going to say Roshon and Katherine will be leaving us, based mainly on Melissa being well known and Derek/Maria fans being pissed off. My second guess would be Roshon and Melissa. My third guess would be Melissa and Maria. How’s that for lack of commitment??
I have two wagers for how it will go down tonight: ONE is them calling Maria and Melissa safe FIRST (the two low scorers), leaving the other four in jeopardy with Roshon and Katherine going home; TWO is them calling Roshon and Melissa safe first (bottom two regular and low scorer, respectively), which means that Maria and Katherine will go home. If my number two choice for elimination is correct, then neither of the two scenarios will happen. So….I’m conflicted. :-)
ETA: Len is partly forgiven for calling Derek “a genius”. And for feeling bad after the 7. Not that that will help if she goes home.








i like your blog constantly reading the comments but don’t post here frequently but i read this article online today saying dwts for the second week in a row reached season lows last night I think viewers are turning away from the show because of all the manipulation going on with William from the producers its so apparent hopefully dwts and abc will realize that the viewers don’t want a show like this to be that manipulated and will learn from this for season 15 but i don’t think they will
Thanks, H…. I’ve been afraid of your numbers post since last night. Guess we just need to hope for the best!
I hope Maria & Katherine don’t go
@Jeff, if you search on this site, you will see some of PH’s posts about viewing trends…. And, the ratings dipping is actually following the trend of (most) Spring Seasons. She’s good with the charts and graphs, and easy to read. And I do agree with what you said.
Reading your rant and yelling at the screen :”Yeah! YEAH! Totally! fer shit!” ….frustrated with TPTB too.
Hope no one in the office heard that.
Call me a hypocrite but its a question, I have watched this show for awhile and Len has disliked others choreography and was hard on other pros but nobody said anything/complained. The judges have and are going to be all over the board.
Heidi, thank you so much for this post. I don’t know how I got through watching DWTS before I found this website.
As long as Maria and Donald are around to the end, I don’t necessarily care much for the order they fall out. Maria and Donald seem to be having the most fun and really enjoying every moment of this time they have. They also have the best chemistry with their pros.
I’m glad Len called Derek a genius, which he is, and I will forgive him if his ridiculous comments and scores keep Team Menough around longer.
I hope Katharine goes. She hasn’t improved since the first week. Maria has come a long way and she has been injured the entire time. Her ribs you can compensate for; but you need your feet to dance, and Maria’s have fractures. How she is doing this I don’t know. But on guts along, she deserves to be in the finals; and Derek, make room for an addition to your shelf. Maria has come a long way since “Bambi on Ice”. When you think of the Cha Cha up to the VamPaso Doble and the exquisite Viennese Waltz – unbelievable! Throw in the Bollywood Samba when she was showcased and you have a MBC!
Really nervous for Katherine tonight. Felt her Viennese Waltz was underscored. An 8 Carrie Ann? I would’ve gone in the 28/29 range. Her technique was superb. Only thing was a small stumble getting up from the spin. Cha Cha trio was great. Felt that trio was the best in terms of making the trio work and incorporating the 3rd person.
If Katherine goes, I lose about 90% of my desire to watch. She’s the overall leader in judges scores and I think it’d be the first time the overall leader didn’t make at least the semi-finals. It would drastically bring down the dance quality if you ask me.
My gut feeling is Melissa and Roshon. He’s been in the bottom 2 three times already and with such a small spread, I think he’s a gonna. Melissa is on her last life I think. Only exception I think would be Maria going instead of her. Her fan base hasn’t really been tested yet and being only 2 points away from Melissa could spell trouble
My final prediction: Roshon and Melissa/Maria.
i just hope that roshon stays…. great posts as always! good job
i agree with Roshon & Katherine….
on the one hand, i will be very sad to see roshon go (i love him and chelsie and thought he killed last night, and after rewatching… his paso was underscored)
but on the other hand, i will be quite amused if katherine leaves…not because i want her gone or thinks she deserves to go, quite the opposite.
I just know the judges didnt want a final four of Willy, Donald, Maria, Melissa…and so when they get it, i will be quite amused…lol
Other than agreeing with Len’s scoring of Maria (but not of his scoring of Will – barf city), I agree with your whole post.
Let’s face it, Rochon’s a goner. He just hasn’t had the numbers all season, and has only lasted this long because of the 2 dance duels he won (I suspect both Gladys and Jaleel had him beat on votes).
Tom just tweeted about the double elimination, and didn’t say anything about a ‘shocker’, so I’m gonna say both Kat and Will are safe. I think it’s either Melissa or Maria.
I have a feeling its going to be Roshon and Katherine. .I was happy that Len called out Maria and Derek on the non samba dance it would have been better on sytycd than on a ballroom dancing show jmo.If the judges for now on only score the dance not the gimmicks or their favorites and fans vote on whoever they want it would be alot easier to enjoy the show.
My guess is M+M And Roshon and Chelsie going home (but at least Roshon got a near perfect score
so now he has shown he can compete w the ebst of them)
Katherine was def underscored last night, she’s one of the technically best dancers left!
Along with her trio with mark and tristen, i really enjoyed donald, peta, and karina’s trio. Donald’s trio dance was underscored too, he kept up with Peta and Karina very well and still looked like he was having so much fun!
The two that need to leave tonight are Melissa and either Maria/Roshon. Melissa’s needed to go for a while IMO. I hate to say it may be Roshon, but his time in the bottom two might have done it for him. I’d be okay if Maria went home tonight too though, the Bollywood samba was a fun idea but it didn’t do anything for me.
Thank you so much for these posts! I’m so glad I found this blog this season and I’ll definitely be checking back here for future seasons!
Nobody said anything and no one complained, kc?? And just how would you know that?? Obviously not true.
Len did the same thing in season 10 with Maks’s samba with Erin. He gave them a 7 while Carrie Ann and Bruno gave them 9s just because he didn’t like Maks taking his shirt off. That likely also cost them that encore they both whined about not having gotten.
I think as long as the dance they do meets the requirements for that particular dance and doesn’t break any rules it’s not up to the judges to determine how it should be choreographed and a celebrity should not be penalized because of the way their pro chose to choreograph it.
Well, the absence of tweet about a “shocker” doesn’t automatically mean there isn’t one. That’s very bad logic.
I WISH it would be Melissa and William.
Since William is likely safe, I will pick Melissa and Maria. I can’t root for Roshon to go home, and Katherine and Donald have impressed me more during the bulk of the season. So, Maria by default.
But my guess as to how it will actually go down? Melissa and Roshon.
Loved the trio dance.
Donald was the best on Ballroom round and Donald on the trio one (even with flatted foot).
Hope Melissa and Roshon leave, but I’ll not suffer if Maria leaves instead of Roshn (which is impossible, but…).
Any combination other than Roshon and Melidsa leaving tonight would be a disgrace. William is this years Bristol Palin. The best dancer for me right now is Maria.
Wow, I’m glad Len admitted how wrong he was, but, what can be done about it now? Nothing. Derek and Maria better make it!!! How sad!! I thought she deserved 10′s for both dances….especially their waltz.
Heidi, as for your predictions….they are making me nervous. I’ll be so sad if it’s Maria. I think it will or should be Roshon and Melissa going home with the slight possibility of it being Roshon and Katherine (for three weeks in a row now her dances haven’t been at the level they were in the beginning) or Melissa and Katherine. Please please, don’t let it be Maria (or Donald or William).
Correction:
Loved the trio dance.
WILLIAM was the best on Ballroom round and Donald on the trio one (even with flatted foot).
Hope Melissa and Roshon leave, but I’ll not suffer if Maria leaves instead of Roshn (which is impossible, but…).
Bye Bye Roshon & Melissa…
Boyyyy this is going to be an interesting night!!! I think EVERYBODY is on pins and needles.
Gibroni, I’m sorry, but in my opinion William is not anything like Bristol Palin. William is liked a lot more than she was and plus, he can dance unlike she could.
Len will be seriously pissed if Katherine goes home, which in my mind would be supreme retribution for his treatment of Derek and Maria last night.
I’ve said before that I think it could be Katherine and Roshon going home. Could be Maria or Melissa. But I think Roshon is a certainty.
But how I wish it could be William.
William is Bristol? no comments…
I wish they could pick one of the judges to dance in trio.
I see a Cheryl and CAI catfighting for the William “Zorro” Levy.
They could have made the point spread larger than they did, but they chose not to. I think they want a woman in the final who dances pretty well – i.e., a woman other than Melissa. So I don’t believe it’s likely at all that both Maria and Katherine will go home, though one of them might. But I still think the producers want Melissa and Roshon to go home tonight, and they will. And if they’d needed a bigger point spread to make that happen, they would have had it.
LOL Carlos!!!!
Speaking of bad logic, I’ve been literally paranoid all day because Tom’s tweet re: double elimination mentioned “ouch” and I’m CONVINCED that it’s a reference to Maria and her injuries. Bwah..ha..ha..
Thank you for this post, Princess Heidi. Had a feeling the margins would be terrifying for Maria. I’m just not sure she can surpass Mel- er I mean Maks’ rapid fan base. If she can’t, I’m more than fine with Katherine leaving if it saves Maria. Pretty dancer but absolutely no emotional resonance or chemistry with Mark, imo.
Man, I KNOW I’m not going to be happy about the result tonight unless it is Melissa and (by a magical, mystical miracle) William. I can see Melissa going, but William is a LONG shot. I’m pretty sure Roshon is a goner, which sucks horribly because he is the best male dancer this season, fun to watch, and very talented. Thank goodness Donald is probably okay, he’ll at least be able to make me smile for a while. I also won’t be surprised if Maria and/or Katherine go, but I would be very upset. Katherine is a fantastic dancer, and I really like her. I want her to be in the semis despite her being a bit cold at times. Maria is most improved for me, and “most improved” goes a long way in my eyes. That cha cha scared me in week 1, but now she’s blowing me away with her dances.
I just honestly find it harder and harder to watch the show. I LOVE the dancing, pros, stars, and routines, but the manipulation and blatant bias is turning ME off. And that’s really bad, because I have been very forgiving of this show, and I have been a loving, loyal viewer. I have no problem with the judges liking some better than others (that’s why we get three judges and we get 50% of the vote, because everyone’s got a different opinion), but the fact their scores aren’t even somewhat realistic is just gut-wrenching. It is more than obvious that William is favored by a ridiculous amount. I could understand his foxtrot getting a 26 if you really like him, but a 30?? Yeah, something’s rotten on the dancefloor.
Jeff and Lori, to clarify the ratings trends. What you are seeing about losses is the prime 18-39 tv demo. DWTS hasn’t won that battle in a long time, and they are getting worse. Castle now regularly beats DWTS in demo. DWTS still wins in total viewing 12+ but even those numbers have shrunk from a high around 20 million down now to 14.5 million people. There are better options and people who used to love DWTS, much like Heidi, have gotten hip to the manipulation by producers and judges, have cried BullSh*t, and stop watching. The show started out with such promise this season. We haven’t seen competition this good, maybe ever. But the show screws it up by messing with results. Whether it’s for the Univision deal or the fact they think William will attract the 18-39 year old women they are lacking, it’s obvious he is the protected one this season. It would be nice to see him: a) have to dance first, and b) be judged as harshly as others have been, like say Donald and Maria.
gibroni, actually people have been saying Melissa is this season’s Bristol Plain
Well, Gail, it all hinges on if you believe the judges are given voting “hints” by the producers or not. I go back and forth on that all the time. I can’t make up my mind.
OMG I knew the point spread between first and last was small, but your numbers post really illustrates how tiny it is! If William didn’t get the ‘pimp spot’ even he would have a good chance at going. In all honesty, I’d be sad to see any of the six go home. Though, I do think an elimination of William would be less sad since he’s been annoyingly overscored / basically thrown at us by the judges and producers.
I agree that Roshon will probably be going home. He clearly doesn’t seem to have the votes judging by past eliminations. I think the other person going could be either Melissa, Maria, or Katherine with even Donald as a possibility! It’s crazy how unpredictable this elimination will be. Can’t wait for tonight…
Jayz. I’ve never been more in the middle of the road about an elimination before. The double-ness of it all really puts things in perspective. After reading, I think it could very well be Katherine that might go. It sucks when only one of the 6 competitors left has only been in the bottom two. It makes for a very questionable Results. I do think PH is right when she says Donald and William are the only two locked in for the Semi-Finals. It’s a toss up for Roshon & Katherine in terms of votes and Melissa & Maria in terms of scores.
DWTS has been my favorite tv show for years and I agree with most everyone else who posts here: when the show ends I’m just mad about the judges and then I get mad at myself for wasting 2 hours getting mad at a tv show. Haha.
I understand Len harshly scoring Derek and Maria’s samba since he never likes “out of the box” choreography. I think Derek probably knows how this show works and thought it was more important this week to get the viewer’s votes than the judges scores. More power to him for playing the game when the judges/producers do it all of the time! I just wish there was consistancy across the scores for all of the dancers. Derek gets called out for not having enough content but Cheryl doesn’t? Roshon gets called out for getting off time and William doesn’t? In my opinion, Donald’s trio was the dance of the night but the judges are too busy creating their own fantasy story that they can’t give him the credit that I think he deserves.
Ideally I’d like to see William and Melissa go home tonight as I think they are the weakest dancers left. Realistically (and sadly) I think it’ll be Roshon and Katherine. And then I’ll spend another hour tonight getting mad at myself for getting mad at a tv show
Strong analysis and presentation, PH.
Great work.
Like the way you can separate out your rant and proceed.
I wouldn’t bet against you on either of the wagers you present at the end of your piece. Dancing by the Numbers columns are IMO reason enough on their own to visit PDWTS …and I feel same way about Power Rankings and Vogue’s postings
Heidi, if judges are not being given “hints” by produces, why are they favoring William so much??? How Len, of all people, does not see mistakes and errors?
Just a thought.
allen darnel . len seems to keep everyone angry with his scoring thus keeps every one watching..like me
So true Allen, so True.
And you quickly come to the reason why I go back and forth on it, irina.
It sure seems like there is either hinting or hysterical blindness going on when it comes to the judging. It’s also entirely possible that the judges have been on the show long enough and just know the score. You hear a big audience reaction every week and you think “he must be the favorite” or “he must bring ratings” and you start to score accordingly. Job security = ratings.
I’m more inclined to think there is hinting. Today.
I hope Maria & Melissa goes tonight. They should get eliminated weeks ago… But my guess is Roshon and Katherine going. And we’ll see mediocre dances(again) next week.
And Len, going on an interview show and kinda hinting that he is seriously second guessing himself—tells me that they are told to slant a certain way, probably given a number range and because the time constraints are tight on live TV, he lo-balled extra to be doing the dictated thing, then realized later, it was too much. His way of begging for a mea culpa and Derek is way too nice but I sure would tell him where he could stick itI I am half Len’s age or less and even I would have trouble keeping all that DECEPTION straight.This Univision thing and WL should tell everyone what is going on here.
I didn’t realize that many people weren’t that fond of Maria. Most of the posts I see about her going home are people that want her to go home… I mean, she’s not my favorite but I think she’s got enough talent to make it to next week.
Len “regretted” giving Kane a 5 for the crazy costume jive she did with Mark season 12 also. It seems he is quick to show his anger at the dances not be done “properly”. Kind of did it to Karina & JR for their first jive.
Go ahead and disagree all you like Dance girl, but, hateful posts condemning us and our posters personally are not allowed. Good thing you won’t be coming back and good riddens.
Ok
1st off- Len said he could give them a better score in good concisene. He said he’d be sorry if they go home because he didn’t give them an 8.
2nd off- that was a good dance but not a samba. Samba is about Carnival and Brazil not Bollywood.
If Mark had choreographed the same dance he would been bashed like no tomorrow here.
You called us and our posters crazy. Now go away.
Another important calculation to consider is the number of votes allowed per person goes down each week. So even if the voters stay true to who they like and vote accordingly, it’s harder to cover the spread because you have fewer votes. I truly have no idea who’s going home!
i am upset about Len comments because they were too … personal..he went with an 8 for Maria ‘s waltz after criticizing NOT her dancing but Derek’s choreography…then hearing Derek saying in an afterbuzz interview i felt that 7 like a dagger through my heart … Len saying Derek is a genius.,.ok..it makes things a little better..but it won’t help at all if they are sent home…so, sorry Len..you are not off the hook..not in my book..
about the eliminations tonight – Roshon and Melissa… with no comment..because i do believe one of the stars getting eliminated will not deserve it
Princess Heidi,
I absolutely appreciate the analysis and the hard work you put into this Blog, love it…
And William is not Bristol, IMO..He can dance and has his fan base. Is there some sort of favoring behind the scenes , maybe ..or not..but at least he’s holding up.
I personally would like to see, Donald, William and Maria or Katherine in the final round.
Thanks for all your work !
@vogue – must be the rascal in me, but any time you ban someone, it makes me want to see what kind of crazy ass thing they wrote
I’m gonna go with Roshon and Maria leaving, which will be just as sad if not more sad than Ralph’s elimination IMO. My two favorites leaving on the same night, so close to the finals. If they leave all my votes go to Donald.
Note to TPTBWTHUCA,( I’m not going to try to repeat anything Heidi said above )it’s us, not you that keep this show on the air. It’s us, not you that you need to please for your show to stay on the air. You’re upsetting some of this show’s biggest fans, and making them mad at themselves for wasting time getting made at a TV show. We at any time could switch to The Voice on Monday and NCIS on Tuesday. We can quit shopping at Macy’s, an quit using AT&T.
LOL Beka!!!
I have a feeling Melissa is not yet leaving but I have a strong feeling Maria will (too bad as I like Derek’s choreography). Roshon … hmmm, he seems like a shoe in as he was in the dance duel twice but it could be Katherine leaving … Oh well, you never know. DWTS voters are very unpredictable … I mean, who would ever think Nancy Grace would last so long? LOL. I doubt William is leaving … he may not win a mirrorball but he seems very popular (assuming he will not … although it is not farfetched about him winning it because Helio C won and who would have thought of that?).
I think Maria deserves to go home because her partner tried to bend the rules and choreo around their assigned dance hoping everyone would fall over in praise and not notice it wasn’t their assigned dance. Just like their sell out salsa they are playing below the belt. No way in hell was that a samba. To try to manipulate during a double elimination week isn’t exactly fair to the other couples and their pros who choreographed to their assigned dance.
Kudos to Len for having the guts to call the Golden Boy out on it.
My picks to go home are Katherine and either Roshon or Melissa.
@bebingc – Helio and Willy? These two couldn’t be further apart in personalities and their journeys on the show… everything. And From what I remember there was Zero pimpage for Helio.
Safe: William (eewww), Donald, Katherine
Jeopardy: Roshon, Maria, Melissa
Going home: Roshon & Maria
Mady, #48…I agree with you. Mark would have gotten even lower and been chewed up by Len.
Nervous tonight given we really do not know how everyone is doing votes wise. But if they save Melissa or Roshon early, good chance Maria sadly is leaving. Here is hoping she is called safe early. I do thnk Maria has improved more than Katherine and I remember and entertained more b Maria but Katherine is the best technical dancer and think that will be enough to garner votes to save them tonight.
Derek hinted at something magical for next week. Sounds interesting and would love to see it!
# Andrea -sorry …what you call “to bend the rules and choreo around their assigned dance” i call vision, geniality and thinking outside the box..by bending the rules Derk has 3 Emmy nominations for Outstanding choreography..bending the rules is what makes a brilliant choreographer…all the others can follow the rules…and ..just out of curiosity…what kind of Samba choreo could you do to that song with so many Indians influences … just curious…
Dancing With the Stars or Dinking with the Scores? The dance scoring of Green Bay Packer wide receiver Donald Driver and partner Peta Murgatroyd on ABCs television series “Dancing With The Stars” has been a little inconsistent to say the least. http://t.co/GakbHur1
Amanda (#60) – I must respectfully disagree with you. I don’t think Mark would have necessarily been beaten up more over “out-of-the-box” choreo. To me, there’s one MAJOR difference between Mark and Derek – they BOTH know that Len doesn’t like it, but Mark wants to ARGUE about it when he’s called on it. I didn’t see Derek do that; he just shrugged and went on…
Amanda and Mady, I guess Mark and Chelsea deserved to save when he did that mime jive? The Bollywood samba still had samba content. Tbh, a lot of the dances last night had filler. Yet somehow the one that had a new and clear theme gets picked on.
Also Len also wanted more hold from Mark for her waltz yet did not underscore them. Guess Mark is favored.
With the scores so tight, I am bummed Len did not score Maria higher. She deserved it and hoping they make it!
Len called Derek a choreographic genius but I agree with Elara38 that it doesn’t let him off the hook for that disgusting “7″ score he gave the bollywood samba. Speaking of geniuses, I think the Pure team are genuises for their amazing “number crunching”, percentages, scoring, insight, cleverness and humor. You guys & gals deserve your own MBT! As far as tonight’s elimination, I hope it will be Melissa and Wiliam. Of course I know he won’t be eliminated, but I think he deserves to be. I think Roshon, Katherine, Donald and Maria would make a great final 4. We’ll know soon!
Andrea, I disagree about Derek and Maria. Don’t you think it’s a little harsh to want them gone just because Derek bent the rules a little? When haven’t the dancers all done that at times? I agree with Elara about Derek and find him brilliant for thinking outside the box and trying something new. Thank goodness for the innovators in this life or there would be no progression…and that includes in the world of dance as well.
Not really, MIssWMG – you may have fewer votes, but the judges have a much smaller spread due to two dances.
Anyone complaining about Mark being beat up for being more out of the box and Derek not getting the same treatment is twisting words and arguments in order to try to score some sort of point. The point was never Mark’s choreography, but his bitching and moaning when he got dinged for it. All his pouting and complaining was the issue, period. It’s been said a million times, yet disgruntled fans keep trying to twist the facts.
Tony, what you see is the same couple people posting the same thing on multiple posts. From what I’ve seen, Maria is very well liked.
Oh Andrea give me a break. Bend the rules and not do their assigned dance?? There is no such rule. If the judges don’t like how a dance is done or choreographed, they can score it accordingly, which Len did. It had Samba content, it just didn’t look or feel like one, which is what Len said.
And labeling someone a golden boy after getting hosed on two dances (and not for the first time) strikes me as rather….well, it’s not an intelligent form of discussion and strikes me as baiting. You want golden, start looking in Ms Burke’s direction, with all her pole dancing.
By the way, thanks to those of you who had kind words to say about my post.
I know the absence of a shocker tweet isn’t a guarantee, but I’m sure if Katherine was leaving that would stun Tom. If he was shocked at Sherri leaving, he would definitely be shocked by Katherine.
Still going with my initial prediction: Melissa and Roshon.
I dunno – I think Tom is often told when to tweet about shockers and when not to, depending on their agenda on a given day.
With my comment regarding William being this season’s Bristol I meant that he’ll make the final and not deserve to. My gripe with the judging is CAI falling all over certain men, especially men of color, and what seems like her friendship with Cheryl.
Well, based on overall lacklustre dancing and performance, I’d say Melissa should be a shoe in to go. However, I think the fix is in to get her at least to next week, so Heidi’s probably right…again. Tough one to call.
Heidi, I still think Katherine would be quite a shock to leave to pretty much everyone.
Whether a person likes her or not, there is a degree of shock when the frontrunner leaves. She may not have been on top of the leaderboard for the last 2 weeks but she was for majority of the competition.
I still Roshon is a given to go. Bottom 2, three times is hard spot to get out of, especially with a double elimination.
The 2nd one is tricky between Maria and Melissa. This is the first week really that Maria’s fan base is being tested to this degree.
But I still think, TPTB want their final 4 to be Katherine, Donald, Maria, and William at the end of the day.
‘Outside the box’I call the psycho dance, the 50s paso, the futuristic paso. Trying to sell a Bollywood dance as Samba is not innovative.
I think that Katherine was way underscored on her first dance. She was amazing and looked so beautiful. If she is not safe tonight, I may be taking the rest of the season off. There really is not another couple that I like. I guess if I had to choose a second it would be Donald and Peta. I am so glad that Len gave Maria that scores that he did last night and am sad to hear that he has backpedaled. She deserved to be dinged for the lack of content in the trio dance. She is not the first contestant that Len has questioned the content.
Matt, I never said it wouldn’t be a shocker – I said that him not tweeting about it isn’t indicative of anything. May be her, may not be her. TPTBWTHUCA may have told him to can it and not say anything. Could be it’s Melissa and Roshon. Who knows.
I love it when trolls misuse words and mix metaphors all at the same time. That is some sort of “special” talent.
It’s all in your point of view, Maddy!
I like Mark and Katherine, but I simply find her boring. I can’t ever remember what she danced, wore, said. She doesn’t have much personality. The same goes for William Levy, who’s WAYYYY over scored each week.He’s improving but NONE, if any, of his dances deserve more than a 9. The only reason I’m forced to remember about him is because of the screams.
Would love if it was Melissa and Katherine were going, one can only hope!
Okay, so the first departee certainly wasn’t one of my favorites, but I must say….
I didn’t like how they did it.
There is something so wrong about Roshon being eliminated first.
If Melissa and Maria both survive than I think it’s really obvious that who you professional is matters more than anything.
[...] Heidi: I said that it would be Roshon and Katherine. My second choice was Roshon and Melissa and my third choice was Melissa and Maria. [...]