Dancing by the Numbers – DWTS Season 5 Retrospective!
Since they just aired season 5 on GSN, I figured I would do a little numbers retrospective – particularly because of the supposed “shocking” elimination of Sabrina and the horribly prolonged run of Marie Osmond.
I have to say, after watching Sabrina dance again, I have to agree with Len and Bruno when they commented on how she danced her foxtrot “too hard” – it was way too hard and she did miss a couple steps. Combine that with the talent and/or name recognition of her competitors, then is it really a surprise? Perhaps so, since Jane had been in the bottom two the week before. But everyone but perhaps Helio and Mel B was much better known with the DWTS demographic than Sabrina was – and Mel B was a better dancer and Helio was a huge and charming personality. Anyway, at the end of the night, week 6, the scores looked like this:
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Mel B | 30 | 16.67 |
| 2. | Helio | 28 | 15.56 |
| 3. | Jennie | 27 | 15.00 |
| 4. | Cameron | 25 | 13.89 |
| 4. | Sabrina | 25 | 13.89 |
| 6. | Marie | 23 | 12.78 |
| 7. | Jane | 22 | 12.22 |
Now, what these scores mean should be somewhat obvious to longtime readers of this series – Sabrina was not at the bottom of the leader board and, in fact, had a pretty decent lead on Marie and Jane and was tied with Cameron. In order for Sabrina to be eliminated, the following had to happen:
- She didn’t cover the spread of the dancers above her, AND;
- Cameron got ONE more vote per million votes cast than her, AND:
- Marie got 11,150 more votes per million votes cast than she did, AND;
- Jane got 16,700 more votes per million votes cast than she did.
Now, conventional wisdom has always said that Sabrina fans got over confident or were sure she was safe. But look at those numbers. That’s a good bit of overconfident and I’m not sure I believe it any longer. Marie’s faint was the week before, but there is no reason that Jane should go from a bottom two situation the week before to being safe at Sabrina’s expense the very next week. She made up a pretty big deficit. I’m inclined to believe that, like other lesser knowns before her, Sabrina didn’t have the fanbase that many believed. And we all know by now that great dancing isn’t always enough. And in case you still don’t agree – Sabrina was the high scorer in 3 of the 5 previous weeks. The two weeks she wasn’t the high score, she was in second place. The instant she falls out of the top 2, she’s eliminated. Coincidence??
And that brings us to Marie…how did she get to the finale over Jennie?? Or better still – how did she get THAT far? Well, besides a good fan base, there are lots of other theories as well. She fainted during the performance show in Week 5, her father passed away the morning of the results show from week 7. But I don’t think sympathy votes are the whole story. She also was over scored on several occasions by our esteemed judges. And occasionally she benefited from an off week by another contestant. In what universe does a Marie Jive get a point higher than a Jennie jive on the same night (week 8)?? What universe? Crack is whack, ya’ll – and we have LEN to thank for that. Having just watched week 8, I can say with certainty it is ridiculous. You already saw how week 6 shook out, above, but how did the scores overall shake out in Week 8?
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Helio | 57 | 21.67 |
| 2. | Mel B | 56 | 21.29 |
| 3. | Cameron | 51 | 19.39 |
| 4. | Jennie | 50 | 19.01 |
| 5. | Marie | 49 | 18.63 |
As you may recall, both Jennie and Marie survived being below Cameron on the leader board, but it was pretty close. For Cameron to be eliminated, the following had to happen:
- Marie had to get 7,600 more votes per million votes cast, AND;
- Jennie had to get 3,800 more votes per million votes cast.
That’s pretty much it. Combine that Cameron also had a bad dance and that Marie was over scored by a point or more on her jive and bye bye Cameron. It could be Marie’s fanbase, but like I said, Len helped. Jennie beat him too and I think we can also say that Cameron’s time had just come – he was up against a bad dance of his own and two larger fanbases. Marie keeps on keeping on – it’s almost like the Bristol factor…the perfect storm of factors combining to help her out. :-) While we’re here, let’s take a gander at how she knocked Jennie out of the competition. What were the scores at the end of Week 9?
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Mel B | 60 | 25.64 |
| 2. | Helio | 60 | 25.64 |
| 3. | Jennie | 58 | 24.79 |
| 4. | Marie | 56 | 23.93 |
Now, Marie’s quickstep was pretty good, I’ll give you that. But it was a bit messy and Len pretty much says that she’s scored on personality. I think the judges were a bit blind. I would have given her a 27 as opposed to the 29. Jennie and Derek’s fantastic Tango (second only to their Paso for me) only got a 28 – bull. But they aren’t comparing the dancers to each other just yet, I don’t think. They’ll learn the hard way. :-) Marie doesn’t fare as well on her second dance, but it’s too late. The only thing that has to happen to for Marie to advance to the finale is this:
- Marie has to get 8,560 more votes per million votes cast than Jennie.
Period. That’s it and Jennie is gone. Piece of cake for an Osmond with Len on her side.
Marie had help all the way through the competition from the judges. And, at the risk of sounding very callous, her father passing away and her fainting also helped her at critical times. Callous yes, but still a fact – admit it, if something bad happens to your favorite you would stay up half the night voting for them. But the most galling thing is the judging. Hilarious to see Marie’s face when they finally start scoring her fairly in the finale. Sad that we got the horrendous “doll dance” as opposed to seeing what Jennie (or even Cameron) could have done. That thing gives me nightmares to this day.
Anyway, when she made it to the finale over Jennie, the judges finally clued in. “Unless we want this woman to win, we have to actually score them compared to EACH other instead of the stupid idea of scoring them against themselves.” What we end up with is the following standings at the end of finale night:
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Mel B | 55 | 35.48 |
| 2. | Helio | 54 | 34.84 |
| 3. | Marie | 46 | 29.68 |
This meant that, in order to make it into the top two, Marie had to get one of the following:
- Marie needed 57,400 more votes per million votes cast than Helio, OR;
- Marie needed 63,700 more votes per million votes cast than Mel B.
As we know, thank god, her fanbase couldn’t pull her through that one. And that leaves us with Mel B versus Helio.
Sorry, but if you didn’t look at those two freestyles and know in your gut that Helio had won? You are a hard core Maks fan.
After the final dances, the scores were the following:
The Judges Scores and Percentages
| Place | Celebrity | Score | Percentage |
| 1. | Mel B | 85 | 39.53 |
| 2. | Helio | 84 | 39.07 |
So, essentially, Helio only needed 4,700 more votes per million votes cast than Mel to win. Was it really the freestyle that did it? Well, it didn’t help Mel at all, but I would guess that Helio had it in the bag by about Week 5 or 6 – just too charming and he and Jules were such a cute couple. The night he kissed her at the end of their quickstep likely sealed the deal.
Now, if he hadn’t kept up with the good dancing, Mel could have won it, but he did. If Mel had KILLED a different freestyle? Well, she could have been FOUR points ahead of Helio instead of just one and Helio would have needed 18,400 votes. That’s a big difference. We’ll never know what would have happened.
What do you think?








I agree Heidi! There was something so magical, charming, and sweet about Helio. Julianne too!! It was a match made in heaven.
Mel was great (I’ll never forget their Paso,…one of the best ever on this show), but, she wasn’t as likable.
lol…and I agree about Marie having the Bristol syndrome. I liked her a little more the Bristol, but, I remember being annoyed in the same way. She wasn’t very good and yet, she kept sticking around.
Excellent! Thanks… I loved this post!!!
Her doll dance was kinda reminisent of some horror movies that I watched as a kid (“Child’s Play” and “Puppet Master” anyone) so that was the turnoff for me.
On a side note, Helio would win any season of DWTS I think. He had the big 3: personality, dance ability, and fun
Helio was just plain adorable!
Just lukewarm on Mel B, I just never could warm up to her. So the thought of her possibly doing the All-Stars just doesn’t excite me in the least. Same with Marie.
I loved irreverent, bawdy, salty, bigger-than-life Mel. And man, she could dance. She was a real breath of fresh air as far as I’m concerned. Helio was a real sweetheart too, reminded me of one of my best friends, to be honest. And I didn’t really mind Marie. She was Marie Osmond and exactly what I expected.
Wow, Heidi, what a brilliant retrospective. I agree… Helio was great! He & Jules were a fantastic match and so much fun!!! I think Jennie got robbed. Marie should never have gotten as far as she did. Mel was ok, but I didn’t connect with her for some reason. Wouldn’t care to see Mel or Marie on the All Stars.
I think we would be extremely lucky to get Mel on all stars. This season has a high potential to suck.
As much as I love DWTS I would always get super excited and anxious before the season starts, however thats not the case with this season. So for me not being overly eager for this All-Star season says alot.
Even the guessing part of it, is not as much fun, I think we all kind of guess or know, that some or most of the LV cast will be in the All-Stars. I am sure that I will have a favorite, but I agree with Heidi, this season might just suck!
I never had a clue why the show considered Sabrina’s elimination so shocking, other than the fact the judges had her near the top and the show seemed convinced she was a bit of a ringer, who was going to guarantee them a female winner. I thought she was a decent dancer, but to me she danced every dance way to “hard”. In my own little world of DWTS fans, a lot thought her dancing style mostly consisted of stomping her way through the routines. Most people I knew were glad she was eliminated, although I’m sure many enjoyed her time on the show.
Actually for me the most memorable thing about her being on the show was her appearance on GMA right after her elimination. I really thought her admission that the producers had asked her to dumb down her dancing the first few weeks, so she could show an improvement curve, would make some headlines but it didn’t. Maybe it was because she said she hadn’t done that, since she didn’t feel comfortable with it. At least it allowed me to just sit back and take the show for what it is, knowing there was manipulation behind the scenes going on very early on.
My theory about Sabrina’s elimination is one of the two: 1) people thought she was safe and didn’t vote and 2) She irritates me. She hits the moves a bit too hard and seems so driven to win that she didn’t seem to be having any fun (just my opinion). Nothing against drive to win at what one is doing but she was too competative I guess.
I agree. I think the next season will either be really good or really bad. It all rides on which celebrities are coming back. I hope they pick those who atleast made it to the top 4. I hope they don’t bring anyone back from Season 14 like many have commented. It’s too soon to see a return from any of them. They should save one of them for another all star season later.
Eh! EVERYTHING on DWTS is relative to perceptions and expectations.
If they do better than expected – HOORAY
if they do just as expected – MEH, BORING
If they do less than expected – trash their dance partner.
If they’re perceived as good and get eliminated before their ‘time’ – SHOCKING
if they’re perceived as bad and overstayed their ‘time’ – huge fan base.
Karen # 9 on to reality. Enjoy the illusion!!!!!! But the truth from time’s beginning i$ behind the $cene$. Who i$ Bo$$ of staff, production crew, judges and ultimately performers who have no inve$tment in backing, THAT’$ what runs the circu$, not what we see. It i$ who i$ $pending and giving The BIG GUY$ returnS that run the $how. Fun to Speculate on that but more fun to watch the circu$ and play the guessing game. $pending i$ POWER. My theory as DWTS Addict: Humans born to dance. I do my own little shows when home alone-don’t you? DWTS puts wonderful ideas in our imaginations. We run, ride, jog, do sports as good substitutes for our primal urge to dance. The brave ones dance for us; even the “Worst Dancer” is a winner, because they “came out”. If I were half as good as Sabrina with her angry dancing or Kirstie with her elephantine grace and joy, I’d be out there but I am not, and they are. Nevermind the Big GUY$ we never see are pulling the $tring$ or all the speculation re those on the end of the $tring$, the SHOW goes on and I love it whether my fav comes out on top or not. The boring ones at least give me a break to Samba off to the powder room and imitate The Celtic Sisters or belt out Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy. Whatever, DWTS is Greatest $how and it is LIVE! Three E’s for my Entertainment, Elan, and Exercise, DWTS Addict (ps. fanbase=$ plu$ backer$=”winner”: juggle that)
Well “LIVE” with a time lag to edit out scenery resetting, stage/dance floor sweeping and gross bloopers
I had not seen this season when it aired so I was happy to watch it this week. Of course, I knew Helio was going to win, but I also think that if Maks had given Mel a better freestyle, she would have won. I would love to see her back for the all stars. She may be bawdy and out spoken, but she could dance and she had fun the whole time. Marie wouldn’t have won it even with a better freestyle, which was just bad. Has anyone heard when they might announce the all star cast?
I enjoyed Sabrina’s “hard” dances, but I guess I perceived it as “sharp and precise”. Bruno really best said it when he said she moved with “surgical precision”. But I will admit that toward’s the end of her run, I was beginning to think that it was “obvious” Sabrina, Mel and Helio would end up in the final 3 that I thought it was predictable the three were on top. But when Sabrina was not in the top and was eliminated, I honestly was shocked. I understand not everyone loved her, and to be honest, I never “loved” her but I thought it was absolutely foul to have her gone so soon. Again, I liked that “hard” style so I can only speak for myself. However, things did turn for me in week 2 when Jennie slipped and I felt bad for her so I threw some votes her way. By the way, this is before I had internet so I only voted via 1 phone. But then, in week 4, that Paso Doble to me, still stands out and I was on the Jennie wagon ever since. I remember specifically thinking “There are others that will vote for Sabrina and Mel”. And for some reason, I never voted for Sabrina the week she was eliminated. I can’t remember if I forgot to vote for her or what, but then bing bam, Boom! She’s gone and I felt bad. But, as these numbers prove, she most likely had no one voting for her, period. And it doesn’t really bother me, because that’s the beauty of this show. But, many might not think it was “shocking” but listen to that audience, I know I felt that way too and my circle of DWTS friends (Yes, I know they don’t represent the entire DWTS fan base) felt the same way.
Thanks for the numbers post, PH!
One more thing, I noticed that Len was very free giving out the 10′s that season and it took Donald ALL season to get one from him when he should have had more.
I think that Sabrina’s elimination was a wake up call for Season 5 and if that if hadn’t happened, we may have seen Marie walk away with the MBT despite her obvious problems dancing. Some voters IMHO in S5 thought their favorites or the better dancers would move on and the bad dancers be eliminated.
Tom always reminds us that not voting could spell elimination for our faves.
MM…that time lag is a five second delay for swearing. That’s it. A lot of things are recorded BEFORE the show starts, such as guest performers. Other than that, it’s live.
Also note – I came very close to deleting your last post on the grounds of being nearly indecipherable and your responses to Karen. You’ve been treading a line with me for a week or two now. Dial it back, please.
Ok. Princess Heidi, your enjoyable analytical approach inspired my analytical brain to join in with my too wordy style. Looking for a chapter of Rabbit Trails Anonymous.
Great write up, Heidi!!
TBH, I was “shocked” when Sabrina/Mark were eliminated. She was always at the top of the leaderboard and I just expected her to go farther.
When Jennie/Derek were eliminated, I was angry-lol Jennie was by far a better performer than Marie and her routines with Derek were way more complicated. It was in this season that I first started voting. I think Jennie was eliminated because of the over scoring towards Marie. Also, back then a lot of people including myself use to split votes. It was a lesson learned.
I always felt that if Jennie/Derek would have made it to the finals, it would have been a more competitive one as they would have had to bring it against Derek’s choreography! Wow, it would have been great to see a Hough vs. Hough freestyle.
Overall, Season 5 was one of my favorite seasons.
I have to say that I loved Marie the entire season. Like other “personalities” on the show, she was scored some also for her personality.
But, I never thought the scores were hugely off. I think a dance that doesn’t entertain isn’t particularly interesting.
I remember at the time she and Jane were the oldest women to ever be on the show at that time, and perhaps that played a part in the scoring, too. At the time, women her age rallied around her, even if they hadn’t been Osmond fans.
The only dance of hers that I didn’t love for its fun combo of entertainment and dancing was that doll dance.
I was also amazed at how a couple of other pros openly criticized Marie staying on the show, as if she was the one doing all the voting – but I think that also energized her fanbase up until the end.
I personally think a lot played a part in her run – not just the personal things that happened to her or her scores.
On a side note: The one thing I have to say that I didn’t remember a lot about years ago but really enjoyed while watching the re-broadcast of S5, was Drew!!! He was SO good and in contrast to Samantha back then and Brooke now, well, just tell me why he doesn’t have the job?! He asked intelligent, meaningful, fun questions. Was fast on his feet with the humor. He was such a breath of fresh air. What I wouldn’t give for someone better in that job than what we’ve had all these years! Thanks for the numbers Heidi, it was nice to see the hard evidence.