DWTS 14, Week 4: Thoughts On How the Team Dance Selection Will Shake Out
I know most of us are pretty absorbed in speculating about who will get sent home tonight, but I think there’s something else going down tonight that could be a game-changer: the selection of the teams for the team dances. Let’s explore, shall we? 🙂
As Tom stated last night, the two cumulative highest scorers (those who have amassed the most total points so far this season) will be appointed as team captains, and will be alternating picking other couples for their teams. In this case, it will be Gilles & Shawn. If history is any indicator, I’m guessing the highest scorer (in this case, Gilles) will get first pick. Semi-interesting side note: prior to this week’s dances, Sabrina was actually in the lead for cumulative points – she had .5 points more than Gilles, who in turn had 1.5 points more than Shawn. Given that Sabrina danced before Gilles last night, in order to stay at least tied for the top 2, he would have had to get at least a 36 on his Bollywood routine. To break the tie & edge Sabrina out of the top 2, he would have had to get at least a 36.5. And to surpass Shawn to secure the top spot (and the first pick in the team dance), he would have had to score at least a 38.5. And even more interesting: had Shawn actually gotten a perfect score, Gilles would have needed at least a 39 to maintain his high scorer status. Draw your own conclusions, but that 39.5 for a sloppy Bollywood routine doesn’t seem so ridiculous if you take into account that they may have wanted to ensure that Gilles would get first pick in the team dance (for whatever reason). Just food for thought. 😉
So we’ve got Gilles & Shawn as team captains, with Gilles (probably) picking first. The interesting thing about the team dances this time around is that they’re freestyles – so we may see some picking going on that would seem unsual in a regular season (with a team dance like the cha-cha, tango, or paso doble), but makes sense this season, given that the captains will (or at least SHOULD) also be taking into consideration which pros are good at freestyle choreography. For that reason, if Bristol is still around, I could actually see her being one of the first ones picked – not necessarily for her dance skills, but for Mark’s freestyle skills. I think Derek may be willing to bite the bullet and have a weaker-dancing celeb on his team (hey, he managed to make Hope look semi-presentable in the season 13 team paso!), if it means getting Mark’s creative energy to work with.
Something else that could come into play when choosing the teams? Ego. 😛 Gilles seems to have a large one; Shawn seems to lack one altogether. I have to wonder if Gilles would be willing to set aside any bad blood he has with Mark (and possibly Apolo) and pick one of them for his team…and I think both would be very strategic picks. But my gut tells me he’s going to continue being a bit of a diva, and may snub those two in favor of someone fairly neutral who hasn’t yet called him out on his bullsh*t – possibly Melissa. I also wonder how much the influence of Gilles & Shawn’s pro partners is going to affect their picks – once again, I wonder how much Gilles’ ego is going to come into play, and whether that will nullify any persuading Peta might be trying to do. The only pick Peta might have any hope of securing is Kirstie & Maks, methinks…since Gilles seems to be the one driving the bus in that partnership 😛 I think Shawn, on the other hand, is going to listen to Derek and any strategy he might have, and won’t let any interpersonal issues with the other cast members (if she even has any) influence her decision-making. Very similar to Derek’s philosophy 😛
I’m having a hard time shaking the feeling that, given what I’ve mentioned above, we may end up with one team comprised of the Chmerkovskiy Faction (Gilles & Peta, Melissa & Tony, Kelly & Val, Kirstie & Maks…picked in that order) and the other team comprised of the Hough-Ballas Alliance & some “independent contractors” (Shawn & Derek, Bristol & Mark, Apolo & Karina, and Emmitt & Cheryl…feeling fairly certain that Sabrina will be leaving us tonight). If that’s the case (or at least comes close to how things will shake out), then I’m almost convinced that Shawn’s team is just gonna mop the floor with Gilles’ team. Shawn’s team already has an edge – they have Derek, who remains the 7-time undefeated champ in the team dance. Poo-pooh that if you wish, but he has delivered a win every season that he’s been in the team dance…I doubt that’s just a coincidence. If I were any of the other couples (besides Gilles & Peta and Shawn & Derek), I’d be crossing my fingers that I’d get picked for Shawn’s team, because that’s a pretty sure bet. It’s not guaranteed safety from elimination, but it sure doesn’t hurt, either 😛
So how do you guys think the team dance selection will play out tonight? Do you have a “dream team” you’d like to see? Or a “nightmare team”, for that matter? 😛 In the meantime, just contemplate the following: in a battle royale of dance skills, which of the below candidates wins?
This one…
…or this one? 😀
I rest my case. 😉
I think you are completely correct about how the teams are gonna shake out. The C “family” are all gonna be on one team. 😉 Like cafeteria tables at lunch, LOL!
I believe Gilles will get Kirstie…and Kelly if Shawn doesn’t get her first.
I also think Shawn will get Mark first.i wonder if they’ll get Melissa since they were in the same team first time around.
Thoughts to ponder thats for sure. Well if those teams end up as you have stated then it will be a slaughter.
I am confused why all of a sudden this season TPTB are making the “freestyle” a weekly feature.
Totally agree.
The dream team would actually be the Chmerkovskiy Faction x Ballas Hough. So simple on this one, Derek alone could do the choreo, but if you bring Mark, Cheryl and Karina to the mix doesn’t even compare to the other team pros, and there boring stuff. I would love Melissa in the team, because I’m likenk her more and more. But still, I don’t see Team Shawn lossing to Team Gilles on a Freestyle round.
Chmerkovskiy Faction ( 1 perfect score freestyles)
Ballas Hough (A LOT)
Exactly my thoughts Courtney. I knew Derek would pick Mark and with that comes BP. Maybe Derek can motivate her. But she will possibly have to keep up with 3 athletes. Maybe Emmitt can scare her into working hard for once.
I also figured that that Peta would pick her family – Maks, Val and Tony. But, maybe Tony could spy for them, and they will chose Apolo instead. Wonder if they will also stay in town this week instead of Dallas, Arizona and wherever Melissa lives.
Oh Gawd NO!! Team Gilles can’t pick Apolo. I don’t even want to think about that.
Linz: “Maybe Emmitt can scare her [Bristol] into working hard for once.” Too funny! I think I actually chortled, whatever that is. 😀
I wanted to say that Apolo will definitely be team Shawn. Can’t see Karina and Maks in the same team.
As you suspected, I hadn’t given the team dance much thought.
I can totally see Team Chmerkovskiy against Team Hough-Ballas-andFriends. Gawd it’s like “Twilight”, the Cullens against the world 🙄
As to what Team Hough-Ballas can do with Bristol? May I suggest reusing one of the pedestals from Apolo’s “Fever” foxtrot, slathering Bristol in white paint and making her a statue? Being up on a pedestal is something Ms. Palin is accustomed to, and she won’t have to move. Winning. 😛
If the teams break down the way Court expects, it should be no contest. Team Hough-Ballas, for sure unless the Stooges intervene.
Freestyle ability and not calling Gilles’ bs out, I still want Shawn and Melissa on the same team. The two seem to have one if the closer friendships on the show (basing on their interactions on Twitter) so I can see Shawn picking Melissa, but based on what was said above, it probably won’t happen…
I don’t think you have to worry, Sandy – I think Gilles’ ginormous ego won’t let him pick a guy that redid his tango (and did it better), and that heckled him a bit in the process. Plus I think Apolo is “part of the family”, as far as Derek’s concerned, since he was Julianne’s first champ. I also don’t see Gilles picking Bristol & Mark for the same reason – it’s an open secret that Mark & Gilles DO NOT get along. I’ve also heard that there’s bad blood between Cheryl & Val now, in light of Val calling her a b*tch in their rehearsal package last night – apparently Cheryl cried. So I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some pretty defined lines drawn in the sand that help to determine who is on what team. And Derek, ever the pacifist, will probably take pains to ensure that some of these people don’t have to end up on teams together – I think that’s why he took Hope & Maks on team paso in season 13: to spare Karina the trouble of having Maks on her team.
I would love for team Shawn to beat team Gilles since Gilles team beat her team in Season 8. I am sure that would make Shawn feel great but she won’t say anything like that because she has too much class. I think it is possible that Gilles will pick Emmit and Cheryl since she was his previous partner?
Ughhh favoritism…yawn. I just want Apolos team to win and Sabrina to come back
If some how Sabrina survive this week and bristol go home my dream team would be : Shawn, Melissa, Sabrina and Apolo. Three capable ladies plus Karina with three pros plus Apolo, that would be gold too. Even with the Val and Cheryl think, Gilles could still pick Cheryl, since she was his partner.
If Sabrina stays I would love for Shawn to pick Sabrina and Bristol. Bristol then could go cry in the corner because of her jealousy of Shawn and Sabrina. I would love to see her have a complete meltdown all of it caught on tape and shown. Lol
Oh for heaven’s sake, if Cheryl is going to play hard ball, then she better be able to deal with it if the one she beaned isn’t amused.
Isn’t next week one of the possible non elimination weeks given the presidential debate on Monday?
I wonder how that is going to affect the performances.
I think Val was being overly dramatic with his reaction to Cheryl. It’s not like she could have chosen a dance he is familiar with whatever she picked.
I meant- more than just familiar. They were all outside the box.
@Julia – There is no elimination next week. There will be 4 regular dances and 1 team dance Monday; 4 more regular dances and another team dance Tuesday. Hour-long shows both nights. I would think those going Tuesday night would have a bit of an advantage, in that they have an extra day to practice their individual dances.
Maddy, I don’t follow Maks on twitter (and I’m not sure I want to look) but someone told me he has started in on Karina again about being a fake crier or something like that. Do you know? Someone supposedly tweeted him that why can’t he just leave Karina alone, he’s with Peta now, move on and she said he blocked her lol.
Interesting….don’t think I like team dances on different days….judges could be in a totally different mood when scoring, or Carrie Ann could be horny on e day and not the next if Apolo and Gilles or Emmitt are on different teams lol.
Love this! Thanks! I think the C. brothers are bullies. Never happy unless things are going their way, and I think it will be the brothers and friends vs Hough/Ballas. I don’t mind Tony. He doesn’t seem to have that chip on his shoulder, so it would be nice to see Shawn and Melissa together. I’d be willing to give up Bristol or Emmitt for her. 😉
Well… if they have the members of the other team all doing their dances on that same day… like…
Team A Dance, Couple B-1, B-2, B-3, B-4 one day and then the reverse the next. That might be fair.
And really, Karina needs to suck it up. No need for hysterics. It’s as eye-roll inducing as Gilles’ over-the-top moments the longer it goes on. I feel bad for her, but enough now.
Yup, I agree about Karina. I know she was disappointed, but she needs to be more professional and suck it up. I don’t think she was faking though.
Gilles fingers in that picture just piss me off all over again. That dance was shit.
The questions is – will Louis allow Derek to take the lead or at least work with Derek in the team dance?? Or is HE going to be all diva. Derek is pretty mild mannered, but I also think he could get up in your shit if he has to. Putting that aside…I think Team Shawn is superior in nearly every way. But man – one diva could screw the pooch. Luckily, I think Gilles may be a bigger asshole than Louis is. 🙂
I have a headache – have Louis and Derek ever worked on a team dance together before?? This is going to bother me now – Louis is such a bitch about Derek. Lucky for him, Derek doesn’t seem to ever take that shit personally.
@Heidi – season 9 team tango. I think Louis let Derek take the lead – hell, I think at this point, any pro lucky enough to end up on Derek’s team knows they should probably STFU and do whatever he tells them to. He gets results 🙂
Derek and Louie team tango on season 9 was pretty good. I don’t like louis but Sabrina is great dancer, and it is better having her on the team even with her diva partner.
@Heidi, sorry for being clueless (I’m kind of new here and only recently got into DWTS) but why does Louis not get along with Derek? I’ve only watched some old segments from YouTube, but from the season 9 team tango, they seem to work well together.
Yep, Remember Louis joked with Derek about “Less Egos” …. Referring to Team Tango having 3 couples instead of 4.
Can I have Derek, Maks and Val on a team together please! 😀
I think they get along fine, Sara, because Derek is not one for arguments or confrontation. I’ve also never ever heard him trash talk or say unkind things about anyone else, that I can recall. The same can’t be said for Louis – he seems really jealous of Derek, always making snotty comments about Derek and his partners. But, guys like Louis never have the balls to be that way to someone’s face. Since Derek has done…what? Five freestyles and has never lost a team dance, Louis would be a fool to not listen to what Derek has to say. AND Sabrina was pretty tight with Derek when she and Mark were dating – plus they danced together on the DWTS Tour when Mark dislocated his shoulder and had to have surgery. So, I think Sabrina will be a bit of an equalizer here. Also, Apolo is tight with Derek as is Melissa and Tony is Mr. Laid back. So I probably worry for nothing. It’s my nature and I have a headache. 🙂
Courtney and Heidi…this is a huge part of the reason I frequent this blog. You two are beyond hilarious.
That’s right, Sandy. I remember now. That was a great dance, as I recall.
I’m very sleepy. You people behave yourselves if I go to bed. 🙂
Of course, Courtney – we’re jinxing Derek with every word. 🙂 But I think Gilles self-jinx is more powerful. The tool.
Oooh, ok. I’m starting to get the picture. And after re-watching the team tango video, I have to say, it does seem like Derek takes the lead and Louis just kind of goes with it. It all worked out of course. The dance was fantastic.
why don’t Mark and Gilles get along?
Wow, this is about as lopsided as a team dance can get, with all the makings of a train wreck on Team Gilles. Luckily for Kelly and Val there’s no elimination, or I’d have been a bit worried for them.
Sheery, you made me look at Maks’ twitter. Gawd, that jerk is becoming a bigger a-hole by the day. I could tell tonight it bugged him royally that Karina and Apolo are so close. He couldn’t even look their way when they were saved. She’s gone bro, and she ain’t comin’ back.
I felt bad that Apolo didn’t get the Gangnam Style song since he has tweeted about it a number of times, but he’s on Derek’s team which is a million times better.
Shawn, Apolo, Melissa, Sabrina? Yusss… So excited to see this dance – these four are by far the best freestylers in the competition. They all get along too – just rewatched some old youtube of Apolo & Shawn having a mudfight in chocolate. Little Shawn looked so much younger only 2.5 yrs ago!
@katarina – Your right about the song, Gangnam Style. With all of Apolo’s tweets, I was thinking Karina and Apolo were maybe thinking of using it for their own freestyle.
Oh well, Let the old Wanna-be Sex Symbol Gilles and his *Think Their Hot But Their NOT* C-brothers have it. Yuck! and Double Yuck!
And whomever stole Gilles’ razor… He wants it back. Seriously, dude, clean your face up a little. Looking scruffy.
i knew that the team dance were going to break down where Ballas/Hough vs Maks/Val/russian mob (i kid…no need to get offended folks!) i always wonder what the real dynamic of the pros are…i mean i am sure they get along enough to work together every week but it always appears to me at least that Maks/Val do not care for Derek all that much nor Karina. It seems like it is Ballas, Hough, Karina, Cheryl and Chelsie for the most part…then Maks, Tony, Val, and now Peta. Maks and Val always make weird comments on twitter where they only speak of family and don’t really commend anyone other than their crew and tend to look down their nose at everyone and scrutinize….i could be way off but its just a vibe i get from them. Val always talks about fakeness and cheese..i always feel like he is taking digs at some of the other pros.
In 14 seasons of DWTS, Shawn, Melissa, Apollo and Sabrina are the best dancers ever (with the exception of possibly Nicole, Mario L and Jennifer). This team dance is going to be fierce.
Cheryl is working with three people who think she is a bitch and have called her so on a number of occasions. Just desserts are delicious 😀
Y’know, I almost think that unless someone is a Chmerkovskiy, is dating a Chmerkovksiy, or is working for a Chmerkovskiy, Maks & Val have no use for them – unless, of course, they can use them to further their own agenda. I get it, guys, “family” is important to you – but that doesn’t mean you have to be a complete asshole to everyone else. I was really turned off by both Val & Maks’ not-so-veiled jabs at Karina on Twitter last night, and even though I’m no Cheryl fan, I feel bad that she’s now on a team with a guy who humiliated her on national television. I’m fully expecting that, between Maks, Val, & Peta (who may now be my LEAST favorite female pro), any input Cheryl might have for this team dance is going to fall on deaf ears, even though I think she may be their biggest asset choreographically. And if the early intel I’m hearing on Team Gilles’ rehearsal is any indicator…this dance is going to be exactly what we’ve predicted: one big, hot f*cking mess.
Oh wow,
I didn’t get to see last night’s show until late and Cheryl is now on the same team as Val after what he did to her. If no one addresses it during rehearsal footage, it will be awkward. I know you said Val apologized to her after Monday’s show but since the public didn’t see it and he humiliated her in public, it would be the decent thing to do to say it to her during the team rehearsal, assuming it gets shown.
And as far as Maks twitter comments that appeared to be a jab at Karina, really? I get that she broke his heart and that hurts like hell but how many years ago was that? Move on. Who the heck wants to date a man who is still not over his ex? If I were Peta, Id be a tad annoyed.
I like the C brothers but they’re coming off as this us against the world vibe and it’s not a good image to project IMO. I don’t get it, they can do no wrong and if they do then since they’re better than everyone else, they don’t have to own up to mistakes like the rest of us. It may not be they’re intention but it makes them look like pr*$ks.
Mark is an oddball. He recently hung out one night with Val & Maks. Yet, he says he looooves Karina ( his opinion female best pro yada yada). I don’t know if I could hang out people people who spew so much hate for someone I really am fond of.
Katarina, I didn’t look at all….I would go off on them via twitter and I’m not gonna lower myself to their sewer-level standards.
If I’m Peta, I’d say, “just leave it alone, let it go. You carry on about her on twitter and blogs and it disrespects me and the fact that we are know a couple.”
Does he REALLY think she cried on purpose at the end of the dance, backstage, and in confessional for extra votes? It wasn’t her choice to air the backstage stuff.
Did Hope or Brandy have crying “episodes” for votes? They weren’t real? Ok, Maks, whatever.
And for Val to make comments like “Karina…….cheese” or “Derek…..cheese”…. SMH. Val has such a potty mouth on twitter I un-followed him a while ago.
I bet they had no intention on picking Cheryl, they wanted Tony, but Derek threw them a curve by picking Tony knowing they wouldn’t pick Karina. Karina was good enough for Peta for the trio jive and freestyle help last season though.
I know is not happy with the song (he even showed his unhappiness to the paparazzi in the parking lot video), but I think Derek, Louis, and Karina will make it happen.
Saw a Mark interview where he said it’ll be round 2 of Shawn and Gilles for the MBT…his top 4 were Shawn, Gilles, Sabrina or Melissa. Really, Mark? Apolo won’t make the top 4 in your opinion? Hmm.
Two Olympians on one team? This is going to be good…
Peta is rubbing me the wrong way…i am not sure if it is her prick of a partner, or her connection with the Chmerkovskiy clan but i think her attitude sucks…she came off sooo rude last night when before Tom even finished speaking she was whispering in Gilles ear to get their “hot/sexy” whatever they want to call them couple Kelly and Val. I mean not for anything- other than her freestyle with Donald i have found Peta’s choreography anything less than stellar. Maks has forgot how to choreograph years ago…not sure if its lack of desire to be there, anger against the judges, his partners or what…but i can’t remember the last time i thought wow what a great, inventive, original piece. I actually watched him and Erin’s free style not so long ago and that was brutal. Val is actually the best dancer out of all of them but he honestly has very little experience as far as choreographing for partners/bringnig out the best in them/showing their assets. I just can’t stand their attitudes…not sure why i follow them on twitter bc the things they say are just rude, obnoxious, think who the hell they are type of posts. As far as Cheryl/Val/Kelly…Kelly will be a buffer for them…her and Cheryl are pretty close, they hang out alot outside of DWTS (and have been for awhile now) so i don’t think that was too much of a big deal other than maybe Cheryl thinking that Val sucks.
@Ashley & sheery – I kind of have the same opinion of Maks’ lashing out at Karina – if you’ve moved on and are soooo happy with your new gal pal, why even bother commenting on the old one? In my opinion, the opposite of love isn’t hate – it’s indifference. Love & hate both require a degree of emotional commitment to a person – indifference is a complete lack thereof. If I were Peta, I’d be worried that my bf is suddenly very concerned about how his ex is acting, even if he’s condemning her. It shows she’s still able to illicit a reaction out of him…which is a troublesome thought.
I also expect team Shawn to wipe the floor with team Gilles. And not so much because of their comparative dance ability but due to the lack of diva-tude. Except maybe from Louis but he is a team player and wants to get good results more then anything so he’ll probably wind it down. That Call me maybe song truly sucks though.
and a quick sidenote about Val always making slight digs- not sure if anyone remembers him and Sherry Sheppard on the view or some talk show last year- Derek and Maria just did the jive and Sherry was like why didn’t you make a quirky jive for me?? His response- “because you can dance”…i remember thinking- how rude…he knows Maria is trying her hardest- and is super injured. Now i find it funny that his partner has a broken toe- the tables have turned- per his twitter before they danced “No one on dwts can do what @kellymonaco1 is going to do tonight #move#touch#inspire”.
Thank god for egos because I am so happy with the team pairings. Never has it been as lopsided as this. Team Shawn’s dance will be the best we’ve seen in all of the seasons, assuming Louis doesn’t ruin things.
How much do you want to bet that we will be treated to a display of bare male chests and “body rubbing” from Team Gilles. They know their only chance of getting good scores from the judges is to appeal to Carrie Ann’s and Bruno’s libidos. Thankfully, Len will not buy anything they will be selling.
Have to agree with the comments about Maks and his bitching about Karina. I was never a fan of Karina`s but i have to say, i like the way she has stayed classy and not even bothered to respond to their nonsense. On the Val and Kelly “showmance” or whatever it is, @DWTS Gossip posted a video of him outside a club where he was all hugged up with some girl while, supposedly” besotted” with Kelly.
Exactly Court!
I feel bad for Peta. She seems like a genuinely nice girl, of course I don’t know her so I have to go off what I’ve seen since she’s been on the show. She picked Karina for that group dance last season with Donald and I thought how cool, she’s not threatened by Karina and Maks’ past engagement. Only problem seems to be that Maks still can’t let go of it. I hope Peta gets the respect she deserves from her romantic partner or finds someone else who thinks she’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Joey, he tweeted 2 tweets after quicksteps were done and they disappeared almost immediately–I though he meant to send them privately and then realized he didn’t. He put something like, ‘yeah, but my partner danced cause she can” the next, “no tricks or flips Kelly is a dancer not an athlete.” My first thought was he was swiping at Shawn.
Yeah, Is aw that video with Val cuddling and caressing some girl…that wasn’t Kelly, plus Nancy, Kelly’s GH co-worker tweeted something like she was sitting next to Kelly’s boyfriend. I have to go back and check.
#50 Courtney, I’ve thought the same thing, especially since it seems like Maks has kicked up the Karina stuff again only recently. In fact, as we all know, he even hugged her on stage last season when Melissa wasn’t with him and they were all called safe. If you’ve moved on with someone new, why are you suddenly so affected by what your ex is doing after the past couple years of pretty much not showing any kind of reaction to her, at least publicly? And it’s been going on for a few months now, back to when Maks, Val and Lizzie Grubman were tweeting about people buying followers and Lizzie’s nasty tweet to Wendy Williams about Karina. Which is when I noticed Peta unfollowed Karina.
Well, you know – when you are a person who doesn’t have feelings for other people, or compassion, you tend to think everyone else is “fake”. Just sayin’.
IrisandLilies, your prediction about “bare male chests” is prophetic. I won’t say anymore, but if you guys want to see where they’re drawing their inspirationg from…go watch the “Gangnam Style” video on YouTube. 😯
ironic…his dance partner isn’t an athlete (although it suited him just fine last year when Peta was dancing with a pro football player…he pushed that partnership for all it was worth) but now he doesn’t believe in that advantage and enjoys the partnership of a non athlete and the journey they take- ie Maria. Um, not to be mean- and i like Maria…but she was far from a dancer. Derek’s choreography made her look good (prob the only time Loui said anything positive about Derek during one of his ABC blog postings). Maria was hurt, she wasn’t a dancer, checked her comfort zone at the door and he mocked her pretty much all season long, but now its cool bc that is Kelly- who by the way i think is a better dancer than Maria. See the thing is…jealousy is ugly and you can slice it however you want but there are certain people on the show that are jealous and it is very unbecoming.
Boy oh boy…the arrogance combined with paranoia, jealousy and insecurity in the Chmerkovskiy camp appears to be at an all time high. Poor things. That’s a hard way to live.
Louis and Derek have worked together since Derek was a child. They have respect for one another. When Louis choreographed the DWTS tour Louis cast Derek before Derek was on DWTS. You have created an enmity between them that does not exist.it is not an accident that Derek chose Louis first. He wanted him on his team and he surely didn’t want him on Gilles team. Cheryl’s strength as a choreographer is when she hires other choreographers to help. It is not an accident that Cheryl’s successes came before they changed the rules preventing pros from getting outside choreographers to help which they softened this week for the first time with the odd dances.
I almost feel sad for them – almost. I didn’t realize Val and Maks were doing these things, cuz really I try not to spend too much of my time on stupid stuff in any given day. 🙂 But the pettiness and jealousy….I wonder if everything just rolls off Derek’s back or if he’s used to diva petty behavior from years on the dance circuit?? Maria is probably the very best example of what Derek can do as a teacher/choreographer/all around smart guy who knows how the show actually works. Maria was not (god love her) a very good dancer (she didn’t suck tho), but most people probably walked away from watching an episode thinking that she was.
I’m starting to think the C boys are just stupid as freakin’ hell that they can’t figure these things out on their own. And DEAL with it.
Edwina, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Go watch some of the videos where Louis bitches about how “unfair” it is that Nicole was on the show, or how having a gymnast is an unfair advantage. And honey, there isn’t any rule preventing the pros from using outside choreographers – Cheryl still uses Wendy Johnson quite a bit.
Edwina, we didn’t have to create anything. We listened to what Louis says. If that’s respect – well, I don’t ever want Louis on my side. As for Derek picking them first? He is a MUCH bigger man than some of his fellow pros and will pick the best team – because the name of the game is to advance Shawn as far as he possibly can. Derek knows how this show works and I’d be willing to bet that they went for Sabrina over Apolo first because Gilles would want her and the other team would NOT pick Karina. He’s no slouch when it comes to strategy. OBVIOUSLY.
As for the tour – what is NOT well known is that Derek was asked to be on DWTS BEFORE that tour and couldn’t due to other commitments.
Why do people feel they hasve to worry about personal lives, who cares what they say on twitter. I think Val & Maks are very good dancers. I don’t care what they say or do, I wanna see them dance. I think Val & Kelly are fabulous together on the dance floor. Everyone should stop saying nasty things. Thanks
And YOU should stop telling everyone how to think, feel, and act, Carol. You only care about the dancing? FINE. But you don’t get to waltz in here and tell the rest of us how we should or shouldn’t watch the show. The bulk of us here do more than just watch the show – we get online, we follow the pros on Twitter, etc. And while you may be able to separate your feelings about the pros from the dancing, the rest of us see things outside of the show that change our feelings. You can go enjoy the show – but you will not continue taking shots at the posters here. Got it?
No enemies Carol,
It is a dancing show but these are public figures, all of them, not just the C boys. So, it’s not just their personal lives anymore when they publicly start acting towards other public figures on the show in a very negative way. The C brothers are the ones saying nasty things and they are public figures so fans of them and the show are going to have an opinion. The fact that they have shown such good sides to their character in the past is why I get perplexed when they do a 180.
I think Valentin and Kelly are fabulous together too and I’m still rooting for the person I think he is! You don’t see Tony getting negative feedback from viewers on his character and behavior because he’s always been a good guy. Maksim lost me with his treatment of Hope and Melissa but I’m still holding out for Valentin. 🙂
btw – If Derek or Shawn or anyone else was doing this same crap, I’d have the same opinion about them.
Mark probably thinks it’ll be Gilles in the final since it’s obvious ABC is blatantly padding his scores and low-balling Apolo every dance so far. Hope we prove him wrong.
The C-Brothers always are bare chested, or shirtless for every dance…. Why would this dance be any different.
Maks is an A-hole. He is classless, crude, mean, and a BIG Bully. And honestly, I get the vibe that Val is almost as bad it must be in their genes, or they were raised in that type of environment. Peta is kidding herself if she thinks she can change him, or that things would be different if they broke up!
Ashley, Thank You I apologise for saying what I said.
First of all I have to say, Giles just makes me want to hurl…..2- I hope Derek and Karina take all the hate, innuendo, jealousy and poor sportsmanship thrown their way and use it as the driving force to bury Giles ego-filled, jealousy-riddled team. SHEESH! Derek never fails to amaze, picked Tony cause he KNEW Giles wouldn’t pick Karina. I know he “is so over” the song they got, but really, think it still has some mileage left and with the ppl on the team, I think he(and Karina) can do a lot with it. Just thinking what Giles team will do, I’m already feeling sick!!
I also think the way they are doing the dances, one set of individuals and one team dance each night….so many disadvantages for so many reasons,ould really mess with the scoring and will people be voting both nights? I guess ?
Carol – No worries. 🙂
I hope to see some positive, confident behavior from the Chmerkovskiy camp next week!
IMO, They have too much going for them that’s good to sabotage themselves with negativity. I don’t care if their group dance is the best or not next week. You always win when you take the high road. Character is everything, for me. 🙂
Can’t wait to see both group dances! I hope they all have a good time!
I knew Peta wouldn’t pick Karina and Apolo, so I hoped that Derek and Shawn employed that strategy. It was smart and while it made me feel bad for Karina standing up there not getting picked, it was the right thing to do for their team.
I have been traveling so I just got to see Karina’s fall. I would never hold anything like that against Apolo. Still, I was really surprised at the amount of carrying on she did. Twice, now, she’s been gallantly helped out after a fall… once with Ralph and now Apolo. She seemed to get over it much quicker with Ralph. I can understand emotions taking over right after the dance ended but she kept at it for quite awhile. Of course this is just my opinion but she is the pro and it didn’t look professional to be going on like that. I think she handled it better last time. This takes nothing away from Apolo whom I like alot.
Well Natalie, I would argue that the fall with Ralph happened during a regular season, and with a dance that she knew well and was able to easily recover from. This happened during the all-star season, which has to be a pressure cooker for the pros, and she was already feeling bad for Apolo because she knew next to nothing about hip-hop – plus the dance went kind of downhill after the fall and never really recovered.
I’m also curious as to where everyone was getting that she went on about it “quite awhile”. As far as I know, she cried a little bit backstage after they got their scores, and then that was it. Where is all of this “carrying on” that she supposedly did??? Is everyone just assuming that it went on for awhile, since Maks & Val said so?
She cried on camera all the way through the judges talk, cried backstage, cried in the confessional hallway, the confessional and she got a little choked up about it in an interview later that night. I don’t remember if she was weepy in the celebraquarium though. I understand she was upset and I understand the stresses. But enough was enough. She was making Apolo feel bad, I thought. Especially when she was reassured by the judges that her fall was not going to impact on Apolo, something that the judges didn’t say with Ralph or for any other of the falls in other seasons, or Helio’s trip up that I remember. Maybe that was because this one was caused by the mic pack? I dunno. I thought it was a bit much.
I know I’m being a glutton for punishment and this is slightly rhetorical but here goes… it seems some previous posters are upset at Val calling Cheryl the b-word, but she was called the c-word on this site, in code anyway, of which I concurred with. I know this is a fan site and Val was on national TV but still…
There is no “but still” Natalie. If you can’t distinguish between this blog and National Television (hint: we don’t get 15 million hits per week)…or between random fans and someone Cheryl thought was a friend…then I can’t help you. The comparison doesn’t work in the slightest. Besides all that…the people complaining about Val are not automatically the same people calling Cheryl a C-word in code. In fact, I KNOW they’re not the same people. I hesitate to speak for Courtney, but I couldn’t care less what Val called Cheryl on TV. I LAUGHED at what Val said – mainly cuz it’s true. Does it make Val kinda dumb and classless and reflect worse on him than it does on Cheryl? SURE! But so what?
Well Natalie, you just kinda made my point for me – this is a fan site/blog, which is in essence a work of opinion. Val was on national tv – a much bigger audience than we ever have. We are also not anyone Cheryl would consider a “friend”. Not much a parallel between us and Val, as much as you might wish there was.
And Evaine, if you total up everything you just said, I would say it might be a grand total of 20 minutes Karina spent crying, and the bulk of it was off-camera. I blame the show for replaying clips of it at every turn, because I think that might be inflating the perceived amount of time she spent “carrying on” about it in some viewer’s minds. I also blame every single post-show interviewer for honing in on the fall and letting that dominate their entire interview – I can’t speak for everyone, but I know I have a hard time stopping crying when I’m upset…especially if people continue to bring up the instigating event. Not saying that she didn’t overreact, but I sincerely doubt she was crying for as long as everyone is making it seem. I daresay Gilles spent more time going on about how he “wanted to do better” on his tango last week.
Ok, getting back to the original question. Who’s going to win…Team Gilles or Team Shawn? We are supposed to call them after the celebs, right?
Or should it be Team Peta, or Team Derek?
I think the Gangnam Style might just be better than anyone thinks…Kirstie is the weak link, but you have to give her credit…she tries..Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing what the pros on that team come up with. You can be sure it will be shirtless…don’t want to mess with anyone’s predictions. 🙂 I’m not familiar with the other song, but I’m sure it will be danced superbly by Shawn’s team. Both teams should thank their lucky stars they don’t have to put up with Bristol.
I’ve found how people on the show (not viewers, pros and celebs who personally know her) responded to Karina being upset very interesting and kind of telling. Apollo was so supportive and sweet, just made me like him even more.
I saw several instances (on the show and other venues) of Emmit being supportive of her. He had kind of irritated me this season, and I’m still not crazy about his overscoring, but it redeemed some of his arrogance for me. It’s not like she’s even his partner, but he was trying to be supportive.
Mark, someone I never have a consistent opinion about, sometimes I like him, sometimes I don’t, hugged and kissed her and was very supportive during an interview. Shawn and Derek seemed genuinely sympathetic in the scene in the hallway.
Then you have the brothers. Not that I would expect anyone to comfort someone they don’t like, but there’s a big difference between not comforting someone and kicking someone when they’re down. They are ugly, hate-filled people. I can’t imagine being around people who are so bitter and angry all the time, how exhausting. And I know I would never be with a man who was so blatantly obsessed with an ex, it’s embarrassing how he can’t get over her. Obsessive hatred is still obsession, which takes a lot of energy you could be giving to your supposed current love.
However you feel about Karina crying, she was clearly genuinely upset. Claiming she was faking was just pathetic. And he’s making poor Peta look like a fool.
You can speak for me, Heidi 🙂 I don’t really care so much about Val’s choice of words, but just the fact that it seemed rather heavy-handed when you consider that it was in reaction to Cheryl sticking them with contemporary (which was kind of the point of the whole “pick your competitor’s dance” exercise – screw each other over, which Val had already done to Emmitt & Cheryl), and that Val & Cheryl are friends, and that he did it on national television. Val can curse Cheryl to the high heavens behind closed doors, for all I care – but if he does it on national television, he should be prepared for the consequences. It’s gonna piss some people off – Cheryl included. And it’s one thing to call Cheryl a b*tch in a one-on-one conversation, but to do it with an audience of millions? That just adds to the sting of having someone you consider a friend insulting you. And really, I just thought Val was being a bit of a whiny b*tch himself by even saying it – everyone was basically encouraged to screw over the competition. Val did just that; Cheryl responded in kind. So apparently Val can dish it out, but he can’t take it himself.
I really don’t know on what planet Gilles thought that picking that team would benefit him. There isn’t one person on that team that I like. I think that Maks and Val have always been jerks. When it comes to Karina, though, imagine having to see your ex-fiance every week as well as having to watch her get sexy with another guy (who by the way is a much dancer than your partner). I mean I think he should be over by now because he does have a new girlfriend but I don’t know.
As for the teams I think Peta wanted Val and Maks and Derek clearly wanted Sabrina (not Louis), Melissa, Tony, and of course he’s going to take Apolo which also spares Karina from being on the other team which would reduce her to even more tears (dealing with your ex-fiance’s new girlfriend, your ex-fiance, and your ex-fiance’s brother..Ouch!!). As for Cheryl I think Gilles would have picked Cheryl no matter what.
I really think that Emmitt could have survived if he had gotten Peta and they should have kept Gilles and Cheryl together because maybe Cheryl could have kept him from being such a douche this season.
Back to the subject at hand, I think it’s a given team Derek will be better and more enjoyable to watch, but I also expect Gilles to get his usual overscoring. It’s become clear by week 4 that his redemption and coming back to win the contest he should have won the first time is the storyline the show is going with this season. He will be able to do no wrong no matter how bad their dance is.
What you’re saying may very well be true, Court. I’m the same way when I’m upset about something, but I didn’t expect her to be that sensitive. It actually made me feel less bad for her than I initially did. Ah well.
Val needs some discipline, like the good spanking he never got.
Team Shawn will be much better, but of course horny Bruno and Carrie Ann will overscore team Gilles no matter what they do.
I only watched on interview, the OTRC, but I didn’t see Karina carrying on as MetEvaine would like people to believe. Maybe there were two OTRC interviews, or something…
She was devastated for Apolo. She knows he’s a top contender and thought she just blew it for him. I think she was more in shock than anything else. He was just what she needed at that moment though. He’s a winner. I could easily ship for those two if they gave me the right incentive 😉
Yeah, Katerina, that wasn’t the interview I was talking about. There are more than OTRC interviews to draw from.
Evaine, I’m like Court, too, in that once I lose my composure, it’s hard to get back and it takes very little to set me off again. So I can easily believe Karina would cry on and off for the rest of the show and tear-up during the press line. She probably went home and bawled for a good hour or more to finally get it out of her system.
As for your not thinking Karina was that sensitive, I’m making wild assumptions here based on very little, but I think for a long time Karina put on a kind of hard exterior (which made her somewhat hard to like) because she is very sensitive. I contrast her with Anna (whom I also adore) who I think is more like a steel hand in a velvet glove.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this. 🙂
Cidra, yeah, people used to criticize her for lack of emotion. Now, she has too much. Poor girl can’t win with the exe’s fans.
Is it possible that Karina’s 20 minutes of crying was not just because of falling on national tv and costing partner possible 9s or 9.5s, but also because it was a release…a release of the stress she had not being comfortable and worrying about the hip hop routine. I know one of my kids will hold things inside and act tough, but then there is the trigger that gets pulled and flood gates open because of everything being held in. Honestly, it had to go thru her mind that Bristol & Kirstie leap frogged over Helio, Joey, and Drew with votes. She probably was fast forwarding in her mind standing in the red light 🙁 Must not be easy for her to go to work everyday and know people are being catty about you and dissing you. Ralph and Donald even tweeted support for her, and Ralph asked his fans to do the same.
Oh, and one more thing…I love how MC or VC tweet on occasion about “stopping the hate” or stopping bullying…and yet…..
Just so we’re clear, I have never been a fan of Karina. It has nothing to do with any of her exes, as you put it as I disliked her before I was a fan of anyone else. And unlike many do concerning the pros they don’t like, I don’t take every chance to run her down or make snide remarks about her. I do give her kudos when she performs well. If you look back in old posts, you’ll even see that I was one of people vocal about how impressed I was with her Playboy spread and defended her against those who were calling her all kinds of nasty names. So yeah, she can sometimes win with me, katarina.
Sheery, good points. Seeing Donald tweet to Karina that she’s still the best was awesome. I didn’t expect that one. I hope she saw it.
I remember that Evaine!
I didn’t care much for Karina the first few seasons, but she seems to have changed quite a bit the season she was with with Ralph. I’ve loved her ever since. I don’t think I’ve ever voted for her though. 😉
Evaine is so articulate and restrained so I don’t need to stick up for her, but I still have to say, even though I love Karina and view Monday nite for her with complete sympathy, I don’t think Evaine is being hateful, only respectfully expressing a different opinion.
Returning to the subject of the headline, I just wanted to express my disappointment with the song Team Shawn got for the freestyle. But I think Derek’s able to edit it to a piece of music worth a winners’ freestyle. I’m kind of excited and worried at the same time.
Also, if they are rehearsing 12 hours or more a day (Apolo and Karina) that’s a LOT. You get really tired and EVERYTHING seems a lot worse than it really is – I’ve been there. You’re much more likely to snap. There is video of her and Derek later that night at the afterparty and she seems like she’s moved on to still obsessing a bit about it, but she’s laughing about it with Derek. He gives her a huge hug and they talk a bit about it and then she thanks him and leaves. One thing she said to him is that when you’re laying on the ground it seems like you’re laying there forever.
PH – is there a link to that interview with Karina on this site? If so, where should I go to find it? (Pardon the grammer)
I put it on PDH since it’s 90% Derek…and I forgot to cross post a lot while Vogue was gone. 🙂 It was too much for my poor brain.
Karina come in after the 1 minute mark. You also hear Derek talk about Shawn dancing…and they only did one lift in their routine. Clearly, he’s heard what a couple nasty pros are saying. http://www.purederekhough.com/2012/10/17/derek-hough-on-afterbuzz-tv-talking-about-his-goals-with-shawn-johnson/
I guess until we walk (or dance) in their shoes we really don’t know what we would do in that same circumstance. Such a crushing blow to fall on your backside during a dance, when the stakes are so high and one bad week and you could be out.
Thanks!
And welcome back to Vogue!
Although I’m a huge Karina fan, I hope that I would feel okay with that crying session no matter who did it – even Cheryl or Peta. It seemed genuine to me, and I’ve usually got a pretty sensitive bullshit detector. I could see exhaustion, stress, high expectations, and shame at disappointing her partner that she doesn’t want to let down all coming out like that. As others have said, once my spout gets turned on it kinda gushes out like that. She probably really needed that release.
I was severely disappointed that Maks had to tweet about it. I try to stick up for him but man he does shit that really annoys the piss out of me.
It doesn’t seem like the teams made that much of difference for the scores, or the results since Bristol would have to be cut eventually, and her time came this week. I rather liked Shawn, as usual. Her athletic body seems to lend itself well to the dance floor, and they both shine. After the season ends, I usually buy the DVD for my favorite shows like Modern Family, but my DISH coworker reminded me that I have thousands of hours of recording time on my Hopper DVR so I can save the shows there. I’ve been doing that so far this season and I even watch again when I’m bored.