Odds For DWTS Season 16 Finale, Zendaya And Kellie Pickler Neck And Neck
“Never let the odds keep you from doing what you know in your heart you were meant to do.” ~H Jackson Brown Jr.Orison Swett Mardenon on beating the odds
Our last Las Vegas Odds post for Dancing With The Stars Season 16! You ready? This time Sports Bovada has placed Zendaya and Kellie Pickler in ‘neck and neck’ odds for first and second place. Then in a little further down in third place is Aly Raisman and Jacoby Jones in 4th. Do you agree or disagree with this scenario? Do you think Zendaya is going to take it all or will Kellie or one of the others? Who is the dark horse? I tend to think JACOBY is the dark horse. Watch out for him to be explosive Monday night. I think Kellie will take it all with Jacoby placing second or even first? We will soon see, but, that’s where I’d put my bets and who I’m rooting for. I’m really liking Aly now too especially after her and Mark’s Afro Jazz dance.
So, below are the new odds:
Zendaya Coleman 2/3
Kellie Pickler 6/5
Aly Raisman 14/1
Jacoby Jones 20/1
Here are last week’s Las Vegas Odds to compare.
Zendaya Coleman 2/3
Kellie Pickler 13/10
Aly Raisman 12/1
Jacoby Jones 18/1
Ingo Rademacher 150/1
Let’s see what Heidi and Courtney think and be sure you let us know your thoughts and predictions too in comments….
Courtney: To be quite honest, I’m just kind of ready for this season to be over – and I find myself giving fewer and fewer hoots about who wins each week. 😛 I’m fully expecting Zendaya to get set up to win this thing, and I’m vacillating between them making it a neck-and-neck race with either Kellie or Aly…it SHOULD be Kellie, but they seem to have this love affair with Aly as of late, even though I still find her to be a total snooze to watch. I do think the freestyle round could be a make-or-break dance – even though I said the same thing last season, and the strongest freestyle didn’t win. I think Kellie & Jacoby could be the standouts in that round, although if Zendaya goes the hip-hop route and Aly goes the gymnastic route (and I think both are pretty likely), I’m guessing the judges are going to gush, regardless of how impressive the dances actually are. I’m worried that Jacoby is going to get lowballed, regardless of how well he actually dances, and that he may not be able to hope for anything better than 4th 🙁 I’d say he’d have the MBT in the bag in a regular season, but with the judges getting increasingly wonky each season, I don’t think that holds true anymore. All this manipulation makes me think it’s time to move on and blog something else…
Heidi: Word, Court. Do the odds makers have it right? Probably. Is that how it SHOULD be? No, but you don’t have to be a genius (or, actually, maybe you do 😀 ) to see the set up here. They LOVE them some Zendaya and Aly, yet Kellie isn’t emotionally connecting to Derek. Uh huh. Well, I guess it probably is easier to emotionally connect when you get to add a bit of hip hop to every dance and you don’t even have to wear ballroom shoes…or do the rumba. In any case – the truth (and the chances of the odds being right) will be in the scoring and the words they use to critique the dancers – not the actual dances themselves. What little weasel words will they use to tear anyone not named Zendaya down to try to manipulate the audience?? I think the key will be in how they score Jacoby, actually. They will either low ball him to keep him away from the trophy (which means that one or all of the ladies is getting enough votes to beat him if his score is low enough) OR they will score him about right and let the chips fall (which means he’s getting a ton of votes and it doesn’t matter how they score him). There are two things at play here – the judges ego/show credibility and TPTB vested interests. We MAY get to see which one is stronger. What I mean when I say “judges ego” – do you really think that any of those three want to come out on the wrong side of history?? They (and TPTB to a much lesser extent) want to be able to point and say “Look, the people pick the winner and we the judges were also right on target” – it’s ego. That’s why I say that if Jacoby is going to win *regardless* cuz he’s getting a ton of votes – they will score him appropriately, or maybe even a bit of an over score. However, if it is possible for someone else to win (Zendaya is really all they care about with Aly and Kellie a distant 2nd and 3rd, respectively), they will low ball Jacoby with the intent of one of the other three getting the trophy. Then the scoring of the other three comes into play. I suspect, thanks to her own fanbase and lots and lots of help from the producers all season, that Zendaya is getting a ton of votes. I think it’s an all or nothing thing with Jacoby, frankly – which leads me to think that the odds makers have it about right. Of course, the judges did put Jacoby in first place last week, AHEAD of two better dancers, so…foreshadowing??
Kelly should win! Zendaya 2nd Ali 3rd and jacoby 4th! But i bet Zendaya wins so Val can get his first trophy too!
I agree with what should be the order. But Zendaya and Ay both have big and fiercely loyal fans. I think Zendaya has young fans but she has been a hit with some older fans too. Here is hoping Kellie wins.
Voguerista, funny how everyone likes coffee different. I hated that Afro jazz and even more I hope she is fourth after that dance. Awful IMO on so many levels. Were the odds right last season? Just curious.
I would be happy with either Kellie or Jacoby winning but I have to say, I just adore Jacoby!
Honestly, I’m over Zendaya, there I said it!
Who do I want, to win, Kellie because it should be just as much if not more about the Star than the Pro… but their a package deal. So can’t get the greatness of Derek Hough without getting the “he has 3 MBTs already so let someone else win”
Who do I think will win… honestly not sure but will have a much better idea after Monday’s dancing and scores. If you base it on improvement shown, performance, consistency and technique… Jacoby comes out on top. He’s nailed the character from week 1 and has continuously grown in all other areas.
You honestly can’t count any of the others out. Everyone says it’s about the Freestyle and it holds a degree of truth. Seasons where Derek and his Star didn’t make to the finals… the WOW got my vote.
I don’t think Zendaya can pull off a win as easily as her little psychotic tweens may think. Look at the history, “ringer” contestants like Mya, Mel B, they didn’t win because of the backlash for having dancing experience and of course both had less than stellar freestyles IMHO . the only ringer contestant that did manage to pull off a win was Nicole only because Evans freestyle sucked and Derek was the most loved pro (correct me if I’m wrong about how many ringers did win). Val doesn’t have the fanbase that Derek does and tons of ppl are getting sick of Zendaya getting shoved down their throats, not to mention the backlash
My opinion hasn’t changed since Week 2. I totally expect Zendaya to win because of a six letter word
IMO, I still don’t think its fair that Zendaya is even on the show in the first place. Isn’t the point of the show (or at least when it started, and we all know how much it’s changed) to turn someone who doesn’t dance INTO a dancer? And she’s been a dancer for how long?
With that being said, I hope Kellie or Jacoby take the MBT. Kellie is such a joy to watch. Derek has worked wonders with her. Jacoby has definitely improved the most. He’s one of the most entertaining stars ever to walk on that dance floor.
Well let’s do the obvious for a freestyle – Zendaya hip-hop, and Aly gymnastics…. YAWN! Wake me up when it’s over.
I have an idea, How about going out of your comfort zone and doing something fresh and unexpected, and that would be Kellie and Jacoby. I predict these two will be surprising and unexpected.
I agree with Courtney, Let’s get this season over with and move on. And honestly as I much as I Love Kellie and Derek, at this point I kind of really don’t care anymore.
Honestly at this point I don’t even care who wins.
Ok, that’s a lie ’cause I will care if Aly wins .. girl is like a plank of wood imo.
I’ve been a Zendaya fan since the beginning so I’ll be very happy to see her win and my votes are still going for her I don’t get how many people seem to be turned off by her or how many people hate that she’s been pimped. Pimped or not, I like her a lot and her passion towards dancing is what I really like about her. However, if Kellie manages to pull a win, I won’t be upset because just like Zendaya, she deserves it. I mentioned it before, she’s one of the very few partners that Derek’s had that I actually like.
Jacoby I’m still not sure of. I guess I won’t be upset if he wins. I still don’t like him nor am I crazy about him as other people are but if he wins then good for him cause he HAS been working very hard. But, in the words of Mr. Len Goodman he’s just “not my cup of tea”.
Point is, I think all the finalists deserve to win (except Aly ’cause she’s just… meh) so whoever wins I’ll be O.K. with.
My ranking would be:
Winner: Zendaya
2nd: Kellie
3rd: Jacoby
4th: Aly
Woops, that was supposed to say “I don’t CARE how many people seem to be turned off by her” ***
i think kellie should win instead if zen. kellie deserve to win.
Still hoping that Kellie or Jacoby can pull this out. I would be happy with either of them winning.(Happier with Kellie)
For those wondering about last seasons odds going into the finale, this is what they looked like:
Shawn Johnson 1/3
Melissa Rycroft 4/1
Kelly Monaco 5/1
They had Shawn as number one from at least week 7 on. They had Emmitt as number 2 for a very long time. Funny, in reading what I wrote last year I pretty much nailed what ended up happening. I hope I’m wrong this season. Kinda doubt it. Zendaya is campaigning HARD on twitter – no one else is – and she’s gotten a lot of help from the producers AND the judges (most of the time). I don’t see that changing.
Pimped?? Hypedd? 😉 Scores?? Oh…right…D I S N E Y. The great behemoth.
I don’t care either, Sandy. This show is becoming a joke. That said – Derek is making me very curious about their freestyle. It sounds to me like he’s going bare bones DANCING. No extras, no props – nothing but a killer dance.
Well, Tinkerbell, is a Disney character too, although ours is 3 dimensional. Oh right, Disney’s not pimping Tinkerbell cuz they’ve already sucked that well dry! 😉
Who should win? Kellie, with Jacoby in 2nd place. I would put Z in 3rd over Aly just because Aly is so blah.
I agree with Sandy, #9, all four should do something out of their comfort zones. No hip hop, no gymnastics, no Jacoby flying over Karina, no unnecessary props. Just great choreography and dancing.
On Tuesday, if Z is announced the winner, I will change channels. I will not be able to stomach watching her and Val celebrate. I don’t care for Val, I don’t think he or Z are deserving of a win this season.
If TPTB and the judges don’t want to see Derek win another title, then let him go! No, I don’t know the reason why he decided to do this season, but I’m sure they had something to do with it. He’s too good for this show. Let him go on to the bright future he has in front of him. He will be sorely missed, but it’s what he needs to do for himself.
Until I heard Val and Zendaya’s interview today on slacker, she really hadn’t bug me. Now is not a good time for Zendaya to start calling Kellie, Aly, and Jacoby lazy. I’m glad Val corrected that mistake. Sometimes less is more.
Of the four couples Derek’s freestyle is the one that I am most excited about…. and I hope by bare bones you don’t mean “shirtless”.
Call me a fuddy duddy but this season the shirtless guy thing has gone way overboard. I’ve seen it already, I don’t need to see it again. Thank you.
The only freestyle I’m really interested in seeing is Kellie’s too. From what Derek has said, it’s going to be the kind of dance I think a freestyle should be. Unfortunately, I can already hear the Stooges. They’ll whine abouit being too plain, not different or unique, not unusual enough for a freestyle. I bet even Len jumps on that bandwagon. Mr. Meat and Potatoes Ballroom, who hates creativity and innovation with a passion and rakes Derek over the coals ever time he delivers out of the box choreography, will come out with some schlock about there not being enough “zing” or “flair” in the routine.
@pam
Zendaya never once called aly, kellie, jacoby or anyone else lazy in the slacker interview.
The interviewer asked her why Zendaya thought her & Val should win. She simply stated that they have worked really hard & given all they could all season.
While not very original, that is a pretty standard answer.
She called the others lazy??? That is really hard to take from a 16 year old. I will be voting really hard for Kellie now.
Because this Monday and Tuesday are the last shows of the season. I am going in torn. I’d like to see Zendaya and Kellie the top two. I am no longer choosing between those two regarding who wins. Mainly because I feel that despite all of the Disney chatter, and twitter issues. Zendaya and Kellie have been neck to neck. Jacoby I started off liking him, but, then grew out of it as the season went on. And Aly, Marks choreography to me hasn’t been there this season. I’ve seen him do better choreography. Pro wise, with choreography. I will give Derek the credit of being the best choreographer on the show. Sorry to be a troll again. I am ready to see other pros get that push in being able to showcase their talents. TPTB or producers have definitely pushed us all to our breaking points this season. If Zendaya doesn’t win this season. I’d feel really bad for her because of the way people used her age, and all of the hip-hop experience against her. Kellie’s story is what got me to want to see her take it. Any one of them two winning it. I’d be happy.
To begin with, I’m with Miss Court – my G.D.F. (Give a Damn Factor) is pretty close to 0. 😉 But, here’s my (probably wrong) guess about Monday/Tuesday night. The judging won’t be anything like we think it will. I don’t believe management (even Disney management) gives a flip who wins DWTS – in fact, it might even give Zendaya an extra short-term boost to lose (It would prompt the “She was robbed! Robbed, I tell you!” caterwauling from her fans). I do think TPTB really, really, REALLY cared about who made it *to* the Finale. It goes with the “age it down” meme – the finale contestants are 16, 18, 26, and 28 years old. Funny that Jacoby is actually “the old guy” in all of this… 😉 Having successfully “socially engineered” the young contestants in the finale, TPTB are free to kick back, have a nice, cold, adult beverage, and unleash the Stooges to say whatever pops into their warped little minds… Of course, their social engineering doesn’t seem to be working to draw a larger audience from the coveted demo, but that’s another discussion. 🙂
Kellie and Derek are my pick, as much for her as for him. She, I think, has become an outstanding dancer. And since the peewee baseball result of last season I have rabidly wanted Derek to win a 4th, certainly because he more than deserves it, but also to make all those who say “it isn’t fair” go ape-shit crazy. The only other one who can win and not make me spit is Jacoby. All around I think he has been a good contestant and has brought a lot to the program (although I wish he had left his mother home). As for Zendaya, if she wins, I think it should be recorded with an asterisk because: 1. She was not required to wear dance shoes; 2. She was excused from doing rumba; 3. She was allowed to do a dance she’s been performing for 8 years. About the judges, I just have a nagging feeling that they were a bit appalled that Shawn didn’t win last season and will try to avoid that happening again. Or that could all be wishful thinking.
Really? Kellie who danced while touring to like four cities in three days lazy? Kellie and Derek who stayed late rehearsing on Derek’s birthday? I would also like Zendaya less if she did not sound like such a Disney bot. “Want to be a good role model” and if people said Shawn was milking the fiercei five, Zendaya has Disney on her side plus milking cute kids dancing with her. How inspiring, Carrie Ann will be all over it.
I am intrigued by Derek’s idea of letting the dance itself be the wow! And Carrie Ann who drooled over Melissa and Tony’s just ok freestyle, all ” why no risks?” When she called that just ok freestyle so daring. Ugh.
I feel Kellie can do an amazing, unexpected freestyle but will anything overcome Aly and Zendaya’s fans. Hope so. But wonder if tptb will ask they have something. I doubt Karina and Jacoby from the start wanted to include Sophia as part of their freestyle. Theme is kids? Way to be subtle producers that you want youth and Zendaya is going to lead the way.
Sally, my “give a damn” is pretty much busted too but your last comment about the social engineering not working to draw in the coveted demo, got me thinking about revenge. I’d love to be a fly on the wall a couple weeks into next season at a meeting of the DWTS “braintrust”. The younger demo hasn’t shown up, their historically dependable bread-and-butter demo has abandoned them, and they’re all clueless, asking each other “what the f*** happened?” 😈
The only one who I want to win and the only one whose freestyle dance I care to see is Kellie. Zendaya’s and Jacoby’s egos and attitudes bug me, and Aly’s personality is bland. Plus, the three of them are only going to repeat the same choreography they have been doing week after week in the freestyle. Jacoby will do a variation on the jive/lindy with splits and a jump over a standing Karina. Zendaya will do her signature hip hop moves, and Aly will do a gymnastics routine interspersed with some dance steps.
Can someone send me the link to Zendaya saying ” Kellie, Jacoby and Aly are lazy!” Because I seem the interview and not once did she say that! I’m starting to believe anything she says people are gonna bitch! Like I Said I want her and Val to win b/c they are great but as is everyone else! And the “Kellie should win because she deserves and jacobyshould win because he deserves it and they Aly shouldn’t win because she doesn’t deserve and Zendaya shouldn’t win because she was pimped and had 8 years of hip hop!” Is all bullshit! Here’s the thing people say its not fair because Zendaya has 8 years of hip hop training SO WHAT IT’S NOT THE SAME AS LATIN BALLROOM! That’s like saying Kellie( a singer) has an advantage in let’s say a rap battle! That wouldn’t be true either because they are two different art forms! Basically what I’m getting at is that each and everyone of those four finalists have worked their asses off and whoever wins may it be (Zendaya,Kellie,Jacoby or Aly) THEY DESERVE IT REGARDLESS OF THE BS! Just saying!
Sally, your analysis fits TPTB’s self-proclaimed agenda like a glove. They got their Final 4, now they can rest on their laurels.
And because they’ve been so intent on “aging it down,” it makes me wonder what might have been if Dorothy had been fit and confident this season. She might have become a wonderful dancer, and with Tristan’s and her combined appeal, would this couple have drawn back more viewers from the Real Demo,(I know;I’m stuck in the past) i.e., “old ladies” like Dorothy? How might Donny Osmond have fare this season? Could Dot have beaten him? Could we stand having 2 of America’s Sweethearts on the same season? Since DWTS isn’t winning the target demo with any of their tactics, how many of the original demo would they have to win back before the network would consider it a hit?
These are the kinds of questions it amuses me to ponder at this point, since I also have little investment in who wins. I do intend to enjoy this week, though, and I can find something to like in all the finalists. Aly’s the one whose performances don’t grab me, but I do appreciate that she’s gotten comfortable with emoting more and seems to be having a blast. So on with the show.
MY POEM FOR WEEK NINE
THE SEMI-FINALS SWING
The semi-finals of dancing were in full swing
The 300th show was full of dazzle and zing
The season took us on a specialicious ride
The dancers beaming with talent, with pride
Each dance was amazing like never before
Each dance igniting the boards on the floor
Ingo, Kym’s Samba stepping out in pure gold
Aly and Mark’s Rumba, passionate to behold
Jacoby. Karina’s Argentine Tango was so sweet
Val, Zendaya’s Quickstep a supercharged feat
Kellie, Derek’s Argentine Tango a steamy sight
Each couple dancing, swinging in the spotlight
An extra treat filled the ballroom Monday night
The dances were a Twittering, Tweeting sight
Aly, Mark performed a high powered Afro Jazz
Ingo and Kym’s Charleston full of razz-ma-tazz
Jacoby, Karina’s Lindy Hop full of spirit and pep
Kellie, Derek’s Flamenco, precision in each step
Val and Zendaya Hip Hopped with style and flair
The Twittering, Tweeting dancing filling the air
The Semi-Finals were in full swing on the show
Their time was over, Ingo and Kym had to go
The finale will sparkle like diamonds, will glow
Hurry back Monday night for the dancing show!
Written By Lois A Troutman, May 18, 2013
FOUR COUPLES ARE IN A RACE FOR THE MIRROR BALL!
WHO DO YOU THINK WILL TAKE THE CROWN AND WIN IT ALL?
Why so angry Grant? It’s just a dance show. I think this is exactly what tptb want. People talking, getting angry, and tuning in. I don’t like it so I don’t watch it live but I like Kellie and her dancing with Derek so I will vote for her.
I will be surprised if TPTB allow anyone other than Zendaya to win. They’ve set up the entire season to cater to her and launch her career as the next big Disney star, and I think they plan to finish it by ensuring that she walks away with the trophy so they can continue to pimp her to the max.
And I think she fully expects it, too. I couldn’t believe some of the faces she pulled last week… the eye rolls and scowls when they announced her as being in the bottom two… the smirk when Ingo was let go. What a brat. I would love it if she walks away empty handed.
Carolyn, I’m not angry I’m just saying like you said ITS JUST A DANCE SHOW. Why degrade someones character especially a 16 year old. And that’s awesome that you are voting for Kellie and Derek. I think they are amazing as well as the other three.
I am glad you are not angry. Your language was very colorful so I thought you were upset. Take care.
I doubt very much he will be shirtless, Sandy. He seems to do that when it fits the mood or the style of dance: for example flamenco.
Well, Cidra, if Len does that we’ll really be able to see the fix is in.
Grant — all those arguments about HipHop not being Ballroom went out the window for me when she actually performed HipHop on the show. I think TPTB made a mockery of the show when they included HipHop on the list. I also think that some adult in Zendaya’s orbit should have counseled her to decline to do HipHop and instead do the dance Sean would have done. I doubt very much it would have made any difference in her ranking, and it would have been an invaluable lesson for both Zendaya and her fans about integrity, and behaving with honor and class. While it may be JUST A DANCE SHOW, it is an important life experience, especially for a 16 year old, who I think would be better served by learning there are some things more important than “winning.”
But there are two factors at work here Sally. The judges and the powers that be. Powers that be may be done with their engineering but the judges probably aren’t. Don’t forget the ego.
Yep, PH, it will be very telling. Mr. Goodman is going to be my canary in the mine. I’ll be watching him closely to see not only how he scores Kellie, but also Jacoby and how those scores and whatever comments he makes compare to the performances those two actually produced.
There isn’t as stark a difference between Kelly and Zendaya as there was between Shawn and Melissa so the judges probably feel like they can give it to zendaya without fear of too much backlash.
And while I normally agree wholeheartedly with the theory that TPTB don’t care about who wins, we’re forgetting that Zendaya works for Disney…. the bosses. With a record deal, and a book, and the TV show and God knows what else in the future. The cash Cow gets. Who knows though, maybe they figure getting her to week 10 was enough.
I want zendaya to win I think that they have all done great. But to me sense day one she has been great she scored a 24 on her first dance contemporary.Aly and Kellie both had 21s week one on there cha cha and Jacoby had a 20 on his cha cha. So Stop hating on zendaya she a great dance and only she still kid. She’s only messed on one dance technically the quickstep give the girl a break how many people can say that they danced like her at 16.
I like all four couples. It is going to be a very tight race. I have voted for Val and Zendaya all season long. I have given votes to others too.
I think Val has taught Zendaya extremely difficult choreography. He has treated her with dignity. He has kept it age appropriate in costuming and everything. I have been impressed with him and the way he handles her. She is an extremely fine dancer. She has been so cute in the show’s rehearsal clips. She has a maturity beyond her age. I like her. And Val could win his very first trophy!
Kellie, Aly, and Jacoby are fine dancers, too. The correct four made it to the finals.
I intend to sit back, relax and enjoy the show I love so much in its final week of Season 16. I have been highly entertained this season, as I have been for every season. I hope this show makes it to Season 20 and even beyond. This show is must better than some other shows.
I will miss it as I always miss the show when it goes off for the season.
Talking about freestyles, I am going to love seeing all of them! They are always a highlight for me.
I really hope Kellie and Derek win this season. Kellie’s been working hard and improving every week. Aly’s just meh, I refuse to vote for Jacoby, and don’t even get me started on Zendaya. Besides, Derek deserves this win after what happened last season. I wouldn’t blame him if this is his last season. Maybe giving him that 4th MBT would keep him coming back. We all know that TPTB wants him back because without him, the show won’t last another season. And I am fully aware that TPTB reads all the comments on this site. So producers, here is something to think about.
Just wanted to add that if Zendaya wins, I’ll quit this show. I’ll still vote for Derek and his future partners (if he’ll have any) but I really don’t need to watch a manipulated show like this. I’d rather watch The Voice, who I also know is competition for DWTS.
FYI: by association, poor writing skills (spelling mistakes, sentence formation and lack of punctuation marks) actually reflect badly on the person that you are a fan of (in this case Zendaya). This isn’t about being a stickler, it’s about politeness to the other posters.
oops- my post was not referring to nr 47, but was a more general comments on some other posts that are hard to read.
I see we’ve had a fly by from another of Zendaya’s band of little warrior princesses (#43) out to defend the honor of their queen from all the “hating” old folks. What a shame these kids don’t spend more time on spelling, grammar, and punctuation and less time trolling the web. It’s hilarious that someone who can’t even put together a decent sentence is trying to “school” us. Is Season 16 over yet?
I think I am more excited to see Andy and Sharna dance together then the 4 couples doing their freestyles. Not to mention, someone on here hinted they may be doing their week 2 jazz routine. 🙂
To me, the real star of the season was Andy!
I see Dorothy is rehearsing with Tristan (with assistance from Henry). It’ll be bittersweet, but I’ve got my fingers crossed that I’ll get at least a short (and careful) performance from Dorothy and Tristan.
I hope zendaya n val win. Love them. They deserve it
I have to laugh at the guy who doesn’t get that 8 yrs. of dance lessons, whether it be hip-hop, tap, ballet or polka is a DEFINITE ADVANTAGE in a dance competition!It’s not rocket science, only plain old common sense. I see the point made about Zendaya should have been advised to decline dancing hip hop to preserve her integrity and that of the show, but if she is being pimped by the network THEY would want to show just how great a hip hop dancer she is. Plus, they probably also thought her integrity was preserved by NOT dancing the rumba. I don’t think it was even on their radar as a possible issue. I think if anyone was even possibly bothered by their conscience for doing hip-hop, I might have been Val. I say this only because of his flimsey excuse that he never danced hip-hop before and therefore he’s worried about being able to learn it in time! Val tell it to the people who think 8 years of dances lessons don’t matter cause they aren’t ballroom!It may be a different art form, but I bet if you gave a person who had 8 years of training in water color painting, then gave them pen and ink they would still make an incredible drawing even though it’s not watercolors, cause they still know how to create a recognizable image and add details where a non artist probably wouldn’t. My point is just as an artist is an artist no matter what their medium, a dancer is a dancer no matter what their style.
Totally agree,Blonde.
Grow up, Whitney.
Andy has certainly been the real winner of this season. I’m looking forward to seeing him again.
As far as who I think should win the MirrorBall trophy, I’m undecided at this point. I will have to wait until Monday night to make a decision.
Can I just say…I feel sorry for teachers of today. If you know one, be sure to give them a hug.
I agree about Andy too. All star of Season 16!!!
… if only I could use my red pen here! 😉
Actually, the star this season was little Peanut Radamacher! He is just a dear, sweet, little boy! I loved seeing the segments they arranged for him to do. He surely is a bright little guy and Ingo and his wife are proud of him, rightfully so. He gave me many smiles!
Whitney, go away and stop embarrassing yourself!
Yes, I agree the teachers of today deserve a medal. Most of the kids don’t care about grammar, spelling and sentence structure, they just want to text, & tweet each other.
If you took the phone away from my step daughter, I don’t think she would be able to function. lol
Another vote for Andy. Season 16 MLP. Most Loved Performer. He always made me smile, and I always looked forward to his dances. His journey was heartfelt. I thought that was what this show was all about.
Everyone say goodbye to Whitney. When she learns to behave herself she might be allowed back.
BYE WHITNEY!!!!
meggie, tell me about it. Between some of the people who comment on this site and reading twitter, I could spend a lifetime editing.
If Zendaya DOESN’T win, I will be very surprised! NOBODY has ever said they hated Zendaya. I started off liking her dance and then TPTB had to stick their noses in things and pimp her weekly and frankly, I’m OVER her! ANYONE else would have to wear HEELS for ballroom dances not sneakers! I have yet to see PANTS In an actual ballroom dance competition yet MS Z has worn them two weeks in a row and probably will on Monday as well.
I’m over this season too. I’d be THRILLED if Kellie won and I hope her fans can rally to overcome the twittering tweens!! I’d be fine if Jacoby or Aly won too….anyone BUT Zendaya! I don’t have a tween so I’d never heard of her till DWTS. My son is 9! Now if they were to bring Miranda Causgrove or Victoria Justice on the show, we’d know who they are 😉
BYE WHITNEY!!!
I love and appreciate this site so much, and everything that it stands for. I guess some just don’t “GET IT”. There is no other site anywhere that compares with the quality of information provided and the top-notch character of my friends that regularly post on here. I for one am so grateful to have found it when I did.
With the season coming to and end I just want to give a BIG THANK YOU to all my fellow posters and to the awesome mods that make this site possible. Your tireless work is much appreciated. Big *HUGS* to you all!!
I loved Andy Dick too. His was the inspirational journey!
Dude, we totally don’t shut the doors in the off season – but thank you very much. 😉
I heard that Z was asking her twits to create more e-mail addresses. But, when I first signed up on abc’s website, you had to be 18 to vote (I know the age can be faked). I wondered how are these kids allowed to vote. So, I tested it by putting in a phony e-mail address with the age of 16. It now asks for a parent’s e-mail address. Did TPTB change the legal age for voting for this season?
I listened to the interview on Slacker and heard Z say she wants to be a role model. Well, she should read all the nasty things her fans say on everyone’s Instagram photos. If that is an example of emulating their idol, Disney has a lot of problems. Kids these days think they are entitled to whatever they want. They are handed too much, and if she thinks she is working hard now, just wait. Disney will find the next “big thing”, and she will have to fend for herself.
RIP DWTS ! The happy show I fell in love with 300 episodes is totally gone. TPTB have alienated the core audience that brought them their high ratings. All the manipulations have ruined this show because TPTB forgot to pull the shades down. TPTB – WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING! Last season’s results were a travesty; I don’t think they can do it again without signing their own death certificate.
I do not say RIP DWTS at all! I still love this show! I can look past things that some of you can’t I guess. I hope there are many seasons to come yet. That might be a minority opinion on here, but it is mine! I would greatly miss this show that has become Must-see TV for me for 16 seasons! I guess I am in the minority about this on this site, but I am still a very satisfied viewer!
I agree with you Lois, to a point. I just don’t like all the manipulation TPTB have done these last few years. Too many theme nights and now the twitter voting manipulation.
Yes, Zswaggers are VERY rude to other Celebs fans on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, etc. I had a youtuber tell me that I was a “crazy Ass” because I felt that Z’s dancing experience made her a ringer. He also used other 4 letter expletives towards me. I posted a comment on Kellie and Derek’s AT video…the Z fans are just CRAZY and intolerant. If you don’t think Zendaya is the best thing since sliced bread, you are a hater and you need to grow up!
I’m sure Zendaya has read some of her fans comments on other people’s instagram photos and stuff. I’d bet she encourages it to a point. With the eye rolls and the scowls during Tuesday nights results show, girls got a ways to go in this biz.
You have no idea how great the timing is on your comment, Kelly. 😀
Look, people, if this twitter thing with Zendaya were a one time thing, it would be totally no big deal. But her youth is showing and it’s an example why there needs to be an age limit on this show. Constant begging for the twitter contests, the constant reminders to vote, the near daily requests for her fans to make more email accounts…and now her talk about needing 3 shots to carry on?? It’s just too, too much. None of the other contestants even seem to have a presence on twitter, so she really stands out. And zendaya is far from the only person we’ve criticized for this behavior, she just happens to be the youngest. As with everything, if you want to be in this business, you have to DEAL.
And really, complaints from her fans are laughable, considering the crap they spew on all the celebs and pros instagrams and youtube videos. You want us to be nicer to her?? YOU all try being nicer to the other contestants, ya bunch of little hypocrites.
I have been browsing twitter, listening to some interviews….yeah, it’s pretty sad. I would love for the person who’s come the farthest from no dance experience to become the best technical and performing dancer, WIN… BUT after last season and what’s going on this season???I’ve also been called many things by Zendaya’s ratchet girls and whatever the guys are, including an old “this+that” and I’m in my 20’s!! Guess they are just all a lot smarter and better than everyone else. And with all the “favors” Zendaya has accepted from this show and the “favored” way the show has treated her, why should they feel otherwise?
All I know is it MUST be serious cause Derek is speaking out…not ALOT but for him to say anything is quite unusual. Frankly if he and Kellie get any air time I hope he brings the hammer down. I hope he continues to say the show is not about the pros. He’s won 100’s of competitions and trophies. As he said, It’s NOT about me, it’s about HER, it’s about Kellie, all her hard work. She started from square 1, no experience and has become a beautiful dancer. And it sounds like he is going to go with quality dancing and HOPE that people remember WHAT they should be voting or.
And for those who say, replace the pros, bring in new ones…well the show has to have some good dancing for people to watch during a 2 hour broadcast. If Derek had not come back to dance would Kellie be where she is now, I don’t think so. They have to have a few seasoned dancers who can also teach and have proven experience with the format like Derek, Kym,Karina (+Mark+Cheryl up until a couple of years ago). If they are all brand new pros think about how bad the dancing would be. Jacoby is entertaining, Aly still has rhythm and timing issues, Zendaya is a pro but has also had plenty of not great technical issues. Kellie is a singer who has learned to dance and done amazing work.
I can’t wait for the freestyles anybody could win the girls are the best.
one more comment. i give major credit to the writers who run this site. you all do a great job and you know how to keep everything running smoothly!! Hats off to you!!
PH – you may well be right about the Z “setup for the win”, but… I think that in 2 or 3 months time, not too many people are really going to care whether she won DWTS or not. Maybe the die-hard zswaggers, but not too many others. And as for the judge’s ego, I’m actually kinda counting on it.. 😉 Like, maybe a sudden comment about “disrespecting the ballroom” from Len because of not wearing heels for a dance, or the lift police getting real hormonal… I’m just thinking (and again, I’m prolly all wet) that the finale will be “The 3 Stooges Unplugged”. I *do* believe they ( the stooges) are employees first, and only then judges. They should all have cardboard signs saying “Will sell-out my opinion to sustain my 15 minutes of fame.” 🙂
PH, glad I could help you out! I just am baffled by all the comments of the Z fans. I am 40.6 years old and could be Zendaya’s mother. If she were MY daughter, I’d be a lot stricter on what she’s putting out there for the universe. She is STILL a minor.
I think the age limit should be 18. No kids. Shawn Johnson acted WAY more mature than Zendaya has imho. Course we didn’t have Twitter then either. :/
Hehehe…to all the immature, irrationally entitled “Zswaggers” (by the way, good luck getting anyone to take you seriously when you label yourself with the word “swag”) who continue to lob insults at our regular readers, yet find their grammatically deficient, mispelled & barely literate comments in the trash…you guys do know you’re just driving our hit count up, right? That you’re just putting more money in our pockets, by attempting to defend your high priestess of “swag” by telling us how “stupid” and “old” we are??? Thanks, sillies 😀 Makes me feel like celebrating the many freedoms that being an adult affords me…perhaps I shall go drive, vote, purchase some cigarettes, alcohol, and adult films, and go see an R-rated movie…all on my own dime, of course, since I have a full-time job that pays me well thanks to my honors diploma and cum laude degree. But damn, guess I don’t have swag like all of you little ones…guess I should do what that 11-year-old Zendaya fan on Instagram said and “go kill myself”. Too bad I don’t listen to minors who don’t work, pay rent/a mortgage, or do anything other than tweet/Facebook/Instagram/etc. 🙂
Kelly, you’re right there wasn’t twitter then, but from what we’ve seen of Shawn, I think she’d “shut it down” if her fans acted like that. She’s an Olympian who learned early to respect others. There’s no way she would allow her fans to disrespect or abuse her competition in that way.
haha Courtney you made my day and ITA “zwagger” *snikers* and I thought Bielebers were stupid
Mimi, you said every single thing that I was thinking. Derek gives the great answer that he wants people to vote for Kellie, not so he can win but so Kellie can have that experience. I feel like a lot of other pros (Val) want the win for themselves.
I’m sure Zendaya is a sweet girl, but I’m starting to like her less and less. She’s posted twitter statuses about people saying rude things about her, but here are her “Zswaggers” saying rude things to anybody who is a fan of someone else. Like Courtney said, I’m in my mid 20’s, have a mortgage and bills, a full time job, and a degree, yet I comment on a photo saying that I really enjoyed a dance and get harassed by the tweens. Is this was TPTB wants their show to be about with the demo their going after?
Meggie, it is sad that Zendaya or Val have reached out to these kid to stop the disrespect (bullying) of other fans stars and pros on Instagam & YouTube. I’ve never seen it like this before. I remember the little girl on XFactor asking fans to stop the insulting a few seasons back. I do believe both she and Val of this negative behavior. Now I know why I was opposed to teenagers coming on my favorite show.-lol
I am so sorry for my previous post. I hit the send on my phone by accident so I didn’t get to make corrects.
I meant to say that I think its sad that Zendaya/Val have not reached out to their fans asking them to stop the bullying of the other contestants, pros and stars.
The little girl on XFactor wasn’t 13 years old yet she understood the importance.
I’ve gotten to the point where I refuse to read the comments on the ABC Instagram because of all the negative responses from Zendaya fans.
I have my favorites this season but the “children” and the judges have put a damper on the show.
Just wanted to say I appreciate this site.
Thank you…
Hoping Len will put his fist down and want “correct” ballroom dancing. I remember the finals with “Free Willy” (another one shoved down our throats). Len told him there was nothing new with his dances, that they all looked alike. “Open your shirt and shake your hips”
I think someone mentioned how shocked the judges looked after last season. Hopefully, they will remember that and score fairly. HA What am I saying? This is DWTS. Hasn’t been fair in a long time!
I am having a hard time believing that these young fans are watching dwts. They watch Zendaya (she lets them know her dance order) some vote and then they move on to other things. I can’t see this being a win for this show. By the way the producer said we wanted “bad” dancing at the beginning of the season so why push the trained dancer at everyone?
For those of you who seem to be in denial that ABC is using Disney or vica versa to draw a younger crowd…watch the Disney channel a little. They are now advertising several ABC shows on their including DWTS and wait for it Shark Tank! You might as well call a spade a spade. I agree however that when the dust settles and next year comes around…those young people will have moved on to their next issue and it won’t be supporting DWTS.
Not so much for their fans but broadening Zendaya’ appeal. I have seen many older fans saying how they like her. It is kinda like if Selena Gomez competed while she was on her Disney show and then when her first album came out, they hope even a percent of dwts fans will like her and support her, they know her .disney fans already like her,
Here is hoping Kellie kills it tomorrow. Can see to judges giving the cha cha relay to Zendaya.
I agree Carolyn, These youngsters are not actively watching this show. Are the producers that stupid? Sometimes I wonder.
The producers had their loyal core audience watching the show from start to finish, but NO we weren’t good enough. So now they quite possibly have the Oldies and the Young’ins BOTH not watching the show. Way to Go!!
It will be interesting to see how well the Twitter “get out the vote” campaign works for the younger set. I expect Zendaya will win. I’ve always suspected a low percentage of viewers actually vote and if they do, only vote a few times. If Zendaya can rally the forces to vote 50 times for her, she’ll win.
I know to take everything I see with a grain of salt, but I have looked at the comments on DWTS’s Facebook fan page. At least there most people are using their real names and know friends might see their comments. There Kellie seems to be the favorite with Zendaya a bit behind, (if I had to guess 60/40). Ally and Jacoby are hardly mentioned at all.
But I also remember Kellie was WAY ahead in positive comments during the week of the team dance and people seemed genuinely confused when Zendaya’s team won.
If Zendaya wins, I doubt it would be a somewhat shocking win like Melissa was and I still think the majority of the viewers are pretty naive about the manipulation, so I doubt it will cost them viewers. They’ll probably just make sure their granddaughters get Zendaya’s album, whether she wins or not.
Well, Melissa won because she got the most combined total of judges scores and viewers votes.
Shawn was 3rd with Judges scores. It’s not shocking that Shawn didn’t win. Disappointing to Derek and Shawn’s fans, maybe. Rigged, absolutely NOT.
Looks like Jennifer’s on the warpath today, looking to disagree with anything & everything she can find written on Pure…what else is new?
Like many of you, I’m done with this season before it even ends, I have little hope the most improved/best dancer will win the season, and LOVE AND APPRECIATE NO END what the mods go through to give us all reasonable, considered, informed opinions as to what’s going on with all things DWTS!! THANK YOU <3
#59 & #63 Thank you 🙂
It doesn’t help that the core standards in public schools are being dumbed down to “accomodate” students 🙁
Fer real, Court – don’t know why I bother with her, to be honest. She won’t even consider the most logical of argument.
I would just like to say I agree with Lois. I too hope the show has a few more seasons left, cause I love the basis of the show if not the manipulation that has developed over the past few seasons. But, like so many things in life, I guess I’ve just learned that you take the good with the bad and just try to focus on the positives. I think that why I have grown to love Derek so much. He really doesn’t sweat the small stuff and alot of the manipulation is small in the grand scheme of things. He seems to see the bigger picture despite the annoying curveballs TPTB throw at the pros season after season. And amazingly he doesn’t let any of the nonsense distract him from his flow of creative choreography!