DWTS Season 22 Rumor: Has Jodi Sweetin Signed On To Dance For Dancing With The Stars Season 22?
The Daily Mail via US Weekly is reporting Jodie Sweetin has signed on to dance in Dancing With The Stars Season 22. Oh, I hope this is true. She sounded very interested last season when Courtney talked with her. Remember this interview? If not, be sure to see it.
ETA: You can now see the US Weekly article here.
Better crack out those bright blue spandex leggings, because Stephanie Tanner is getting her chance to shine again.
With less than a month until Fuller House hits Netflix, it has been revealed Jodie Sweetin is about to have a very big 2016.
Us Weekly reports the 34-year-old has signed up to be part of the latest season of Dancing With The Stars.
An insider told the magazine that Jodie will be getting her ballroom on come March 21 when season 22 airs on ABC.
Jodie has danced since even before she even appeared on cult hit Full House and her character Stephanie was no stranger to busting out a move or two.
If this is true (and someone at the Daily Mail isn’t just digging through our old posts for inspiration…which they very well might, considering that they brought up that she has previous dance experience), good for her. She was an absolute doll when I met her and seemed really, really interested in doing the show. And now’s the perfect time, with Fuller House dropping on Netflix at the end of this month.
Will be interesting to see if they would give her the partner she wants: Val. I would almost rather see her with Artem.
Not surprised at all. Been predicting this for awhile since you guys posted that interview before last season. I guess this means we can kiss the idea of Val with a DS partner goodbye because she has made it clear she wants to be paired with him, plus cross-promotion with Fuller House and all.
Part of me kind of hopes they actually respond in kind to what happened to Artem last season – I’m about 80% sure Tamar was originally supposed to be Artem’s partner, and only got shifted to Val once Val’s original partner fell through. Would be kinda nice if they gave Jodie to Artem and had Val sit this one out, to make things fair…
…and I don’t know that it’s completely out of the realm of possibility. Some celebs have requested certain partners in the past (I know Donny really wanted Lacey, and I’m sure there have been others that have not gotten their requests honored and we just didn’t hear about it) and ended up with someone else instead. And with the pending lawsuit against Val, who knows what’s going to happen.
If she doesn’t get Val I can see her with Artem like you said or maybe they’ll give her to Keo to ‘give him a chance” with a ringer (and yes I’m tentatively labelling Jodie as one). I’m just so excited to see her on the show either way!
Since she has previous dance experience, of course she goes to Val. Every pro has a type, and his is ringer!
Ditto for me for her to get Artem instead of Val!!
Further expounding on my theory: my best guess is that Val’s partner was supposed to be Shay Mitchell last season, but she realized too late that she wasn’t going to have the time for it. What if they told her she could come back this season? Who gets Val then? My money would be on Shay, since she kinda had first dibs. And with the pool of celebs to cast from continuing to dwindle, they may have no choice but to grab low-hanging fruit – and I think Shay qualifies, since she’s been DYING to do the show for awhile.
My guess was it was that it was Jodie he was supposed to have but I know Shay has wanted to do the show with Val for awhile so it could’ve been her. I do think Shay will be on at some point but I thought she was already booked for either filming PLL or something else this spring? If not I can see her doing it now but I was pretty sure she wouldn’t be available til either fall or next spring.
Jodie was always a no for season 21 – she knew her filming schedule for Fuller House wouldn’t permit it. But I do remember some rather odd posts from Shay back in August of last year that seemed to point to her being part of season 21…and then those vanished, and Val started the whiny tweeting about not having a partner, and then Artem was out and Val had Tamar.
Val always get the young partners who can dance…?..tongue in cheek. .
Has Val ever had a partner except Sherri Shepard (no disrespect) who wasn’t young, thin and had some dance experience? Not being mean but all I can think of is Zendaya, Janel, Rumer, Tamar and Sherri.
Who the heck is Shay Mitchell? I’d take Jodie Sweetin over her anyday of the week. Jodie would be perfect with Artem.
While I’d almost pay to see Val sit a season out, I don’t see it happening. Even with him being sued for $6 mil for publicly embarrassing a girl with DS! If anything, unless something even more obnoxious than has come to light so far in that case, I expect the producers of DWTS will see this as publicity and more bad boy status for their pro.
Social media matters more and more now in the entertainment biz and he has a measurably larger fan base than Artem. Keo offers the all important diversity on a largely white cast so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him with a bit of a ringer next in the hopes that he’ll last beyond 3 weeks. I expect TPTB want Val front and center until the semi-finals at least and we’ve seen that they’ll do whatever it takes to make that happen. So expect to continue to see Val with partners that should be able to go the distance.
As for who gets Jodi Sweetin, should this be true, will have a lot to do with the rest of the cast for the season. She should be a pretty big get with the upcoming Full House revival. But if Shay Mitchell is on, she the lead on a running network TV show. And who else might they have booked? I don’t think either of these women will be with Keo, as they’d also want to be sure they last weeks.
I would love to see her paired with artem or maybe Keo or tony. Maybe Alan if he becomes a competing pro too.
What I can’t figure out is why they’re so keen to have Val as a partner. His track record isn’t all that. They think he’s hot or he’s already friends with them? I think the latter is the case with both Shay and Jodi. Question is, will they still want him with the tarnished rep?
AND, Courtney, Artem had confirmed that he was IN and then suddenly, after Val’s whiney tweets, Artem is out and Val is in. The writing was pretty solidly on the wall on that one.
@Colleen – Me too! Val can disappear off my television at any time and for good.
My guess is that if Jodie is cast that she will go to Val. Of course TPTB will have to “sweetin” the controversy and give Val the big Get of the season.
Don’t forget, Sherri took lessons at DWM before DWTS – Vogue saw the photos. 🙂
@PH – The impression I got from Jodie was that she was at least acquainted or was friendly with Maks & Val, and that she had been talking to them about doing the show – may just be kind of a loyalty thing. “Maks & Val have been helping me to get cast, so I should probably say I want Val as a partner.”
LOL Heidi!!
I definitely see Maks and Val as big self promoters. So I could absolutely see both talking up DWTS with starlets they meet who also seem to their meet their criteria for a partner. And telling them that Val should be their partner. Plus, we know that Val isn’t at all shy about telling TPTB the (type of) partner he wants.
Personally, I think if woman has the hutzpah to ask for the pro that she wants, I can’t understand asking for anyone other than Derek. He’s respectful, takes care to make his partner look good, even when it might circumvent some “rules” and he’s the most successful pro in DWTS history. I can perhaps understand someone not expecting to reach the finals, like Paula Deen, perhaps wanting different pro though. Oh how I wish a star would request Sasha!
Yeah it does seem Jodie is “in” with the C-bros, so to speak. Apparently they’re buds with Candace to after being on the show and I know they filmed a guest appearance for Fuller House so that’s why I think she’d request him.
I know a lot of people have requested different pros over the years. (Heck, I know of at least one case where a celeb requested to NOT be with a certain pro.) And I don’t see why it would be so strange for a female celebrity to ask for someone other than Derek. Yes he’s won the most and a lot of people do ask for him (with good reason!) but if the celeb wants to be with another pro because they believe said pro is best suited to some aspect of dancing or the show that is important to them or if they felt they’d get along well with a certain person I don’t see why they wouldn’t ask. It’s happened before. I know not everyone gets their request honored but I don’t see the harm in asking.
There is no harm in asking but I too am baffled why she would request Val. Most of his choreography is based around him being the object of desire much like the routine Tamar objected to. He is pretty one note in his portrayals although I thought he did a good job with Bindi. (Although he would have looked like a no talent schmuck if he ruined her momentum) It just seems there are a lot more even tempered pros who don’t try to shine their own apple when working with partners. I’m afraid hubris is wired into the C brothers gene pool. If you look up their family crest it’s a peacock standing on Mt. Olympus. Careful what you ask for Jodie . . .
Well, maybe they see Derek as too much pressure, Colleen, know what I mean? More than one of his partners has mentioned the pressure of being his partner. Yes, he’s quite kind and patient…but even HE was getting to the point of not liking the pressure of his own record, in terms of the whole group dance thing. I think he was actually relieved when they lost so he wouldn’t have to hear about it any more.
Not all women are the same. Some are going to want to go on DWTS and not suck too bad and have fun. Others want to WIN. Now, if you’re not too ambitious and perhaps think you’re not going to be good at it, and aren’t concerned about winning, are you going to want Derek as a partner where you’re pretty much expected to go to at least the semi-finals?? Or are you going to want anyone else where the expectation to win is lower?? And if you seriously want to win the damn MBT, aren’t you going to want Derek to increase your odds?
It’s pretty easy to a good job on only ONE dance.
And sometimes it might just be “better the devil you know”. 🙂
PH, yes, I can see why some contestants would just want the experience but not the spotlight and expectations associated with being the partner of DWTS golden champion. But I guess I also associate that with a more self effacing personality and thought they’d also be unlikely to ask for a particular partner. I’d say being Val’s partner brings a similar amount of pressure/expectations for different reasons. I don’t see such clear cut advantages though. Val’s hungry for (another) win and I guess if they analyze it, TPTB might be in his corner. If they are friends with Val already, it could be more fun to experience this with a pal.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true. The Daily Mail are actually not bad when it comes to revealing DWTS exclusives even though they cater to a different country. I seem to remember them revealing Rumer Willis with Val days before the cast announcement of S20 when no one really knew anyone who had signed up as TPTB made extra efforts to hide the casts identity with it being the anniversary season. If this is true I’m guessing we can safely assume she’ll get Val. I’m not sure about her height but maybe Mark could also be an option after he had Candace Cameron Bure?
omggggg YAY JODIE!!!! I loveeee her!!! So excited about this! Full House was one of my favorite shows growing up and Stephanie Tanner was always my favorite person on the show <3
Jodie posted a tweet today commenting on the rumors. She made it sound like people are only reporting she’s doing the show because of the C-bros guesting on Fuller House and that she’s not doing, but she didn’t directly SAY they were untrue and she said she was a fan….hmmmm….maybe a hint that she hasn’t actually been asked to do the show but she wants to? (Because I’ve heard her say she would like to be on at some point.)
If rumors are flying that they asked John & Lori as well, I think it’s safe to assume they’re looking to capitalize on the Fuller House buzz, and it’s not a stretch to assume they’ve been sniffing around the cast for a possible contestant on season 22 – and Jodie is the low-hanging fruit. Fan of the show, some dance experience, friends with Maks & Val. I’m thinking she’s just afraid the rumors are flying wayyyy too early, and maybe she’s been told to keep it hush-hush…so maybe the tweet was an effort to throw the rumor mill off the scent? It certainly didn’t read like a denial to me. Much easier (and shorter) to tweet “I’m not doing DWTS this season” if she truly wasn’t…
This is perfect. I think Val will be perfect for her.
Court, I couldn’t agree more. I just read her tweet and that’s not a denial at all.
Yeah, definitely a non-denial. Way less typing to day “sorry, not happening.”
I’d love to see Jodie with Artem! That would be an ideal pairing for me. I get that she wants Val but I don’t want her to be corrupted 🙂
I think people wanting Val as partner usually want him because they are friends with him or friends with someone who’s friends with him. Or they like the edgy/intense/hotblooded Latin lover type of dancer that he represents on DWTS. In the second case Artem would be ideal too cause he’s a similar type but he’s less known so people are obviously going to be way more familiar with Val. There where some celebrities who wanted Maks as a partner because they prefer the bad boy type (Denise Richards for example)
I hope she is NOT partnered with Artem.. I mean Yikes! I find Artem’s personality so DULL & boring that it makes me sleepy.. he can’t even talk properly or got any spark like Val. Still can’t forget the Leah disaster..she could’ve win if partnered with Derek or Val.
Val is now the face of the show and the most popular pro besides Derek. So he should/deserves to get the best ones just how Derek does.
Er, “like Derek does”?? Val fans really ARE delusional!! Val has NEVER been challenged like Derek has been and has paid no dues at all. He has had a better run of partners than anyone else ever on the show (and still he can’t win without manipulation) – they’re trying that hard to make him happen. As for being most popular besides Derek? Doubtful. Maks still beats his little brother and Val has a long way to go to catch Derek. And he’s not ahead of Mark, from what I can see.
I actually think Val is ahead of Mark in terms of popularity by this point (sad face because Mark is one of my absolute favorites) and is catching up to Maks. I really would like to see him challenged though like others have been. I’m starting to really think he might get Shay Mitchell this season and while I wouldn’t mind that happening down the line I’d rather see him with a non-ringer one or two times beforehand. I’d even prefer him with Jodie over Shay tbh (despite thinking she’d be great with Artem) as while still a ringer she seems less likely to be corrupted by the fam and therefore more likely to be enjoyable to watch regardless of pro partner.
Eh PDS. I guess different strokes for different folks. I like Val best when his mouth is shut (and his shirt on). Then, I can enjoy his dancing.
I’ll admit, other than being handsome, the only time Artem’s personality left an impression on me was when he was Miss Patti LaBelle’s partner. He was respectful of a legend but still treated her enough like an attractive woman. Sure, Artem didn’t push Miss Patti to learn but he created audience pleasing numbers and she really enjoyed herself until she left without regrets. I admire him for that.
If that’s true, Julia, it’s because of serious Val pimping and won’t last long. You can’t repeatedly stick your foot in your mouth, get sued and still grow a fandom while limited to DWTS. I think Mark is going to hit on the music scene big time. Hopefully, DWTS will be in the rear view mirror for him, Derek AND Julianne soon. Val can have his limited little fiefdom. And he just got schooled by Derek on how to start an inoffensive conversation about healthy eating. LOL. I’m kinda seeing why Val might be bitter about Derek. 😀
Colleen, I’ll agree with you there. Artem does absolutely nothing for me but I find him far less annoying than Val. He did do right by Patti Labelle, for sure – so he’s got several legs up on Val in terms of rising to a challenge and being generally inoffensive.
And while we’re talking about annoying pros – does anyone follow Henry?? I don’t, but I have him on a list of pros and dear god. He never posts unless it’s to retweet OTT praise or endless shirtless selfies. His narcissist gene is STRONG. It’s down right nauseating.
Does anyone know what Jodie’s fanbase is like? Would it be strong on a show like this or will she be another Alexa who needs a lot of producer help to stay afloat? The reason I ask is because no way Val will get a partner who doesn’t have a strong voting fanbase to begin with. I doubt its anything to do with the lawsuit but I do find it funny how the male pros with the exception of Keo and Alan have distanced themselves from Val in recent times. Derek never talks to him, Artem unfollowed him months ago, and you never catch Mark or Sasha talking with him either All the smart male pros know he’s bad news. The only male who supported him when the lawsuit got made public was Henry. Says it all really!
Respectfully, PDS, the only reason Val might create sparks is due to his abrasive personality. DWTS has worked overtime to promote Val as the new face of the franchise. Unfortunately, that face talks so it’s basically a wash. The fact that these people have formed what they call “The Fam” is all you need to know about their jealous/paranoid world view of us against them. It’s childish at best and destructive at worst when they exhort their fans to blindly follow them and actively hate other pros. I guess I find that even more offensive than his strutting behavior. I would guess Mark is the more respected pro of the two and has the slight popularity edge. I would be surprised if the other pros give Val the cold shoulder. They all have to work together in unity as it makes their job less stressful. What they do after hours is anyone’s guess. I don’t wish Val any ill will but his personality and actions certainly put him in the crosshairs more frequently than the others.
I absolutely agree that Derek is by the most popular DWTS pro with a pretty big popularity edge over the other pros. But sorry i disagree about Mark with you Heidi & agree with Julia.. Val is way ahead of Mark in popularity..& i feel he already matched up his big bro Mak’s popularity if not more. He is the second most popular DWTS pro now. & yeah Derek does gets the best partners..whether dance experience ringers (Shawn, Nicole etc) or fanbase/emotional ringers (Bindi, Jennifer etc).. As some of you claim Sherri to be a ringer since she she took some DWM classes before DWTS, then by that definition Amber is a big time ringer as well with previous dance experience. The only real challenge Derek had was Amy.. but then i feel many DWTS pro could have worked with her like Mark did.
Well i have no problem with that…since Derek is a hugely popular pro, so obviously it’s natural for the makers to pair him up with the best/popular celebs..so that they can cash in to their popularity. Same with Val. How much some of the fans screams ”Derek gets the best ones” or ”Val’s never been challenged”..they WILL anyways get the best ones as they’re the most popular fan favorite pros.
I wonder if Val’s fans have any clue how ridiculous and silly they sound these days, trying to claim that Derek always gets good partners and Val is hugely popular? You do realize, PDS, that repeating that nonsense about Val over and over won’t make it true, right?
I agree with PDS for the most part. It does seem like Val is the second most popular pro at this point and that he tends to get good partners. I think Derek does too, or at least the type a lot of people want to vote for (and I like the term “emotional ringer” PDS; I’ve been having trouble coming up with a way to describe that type of ontestant). But yeah that’s the way it is because they are the most popular (and Mark having a decent fanbase tends to get people with a lot of potential as well) and so the other guys mostly kinda get whoever else. I like that with the women it’s different and presumably because there doesn’t seem to be a huge frontrunner in popularity it’s a little more mixed in terms of the “type” each one gets. I’ve seen some patterns with a couple of them but yeah. But that’s just what I see and I’m not sure how everyone else sees/feels about it.
First of all, i’m NOT a Val fan. I’m a Tony & Sharna fan & i’ve cleared that on Puredwts before as well. & i’m not a blind but a pretty neutral fan. I know & accept that my favorites are not the most popular pros. What i am saying is actually true. & you repeating again & again about Val not being hugely popular doesn’t make it true either.
@Julia..you said it all girl. I agree with you.
Once Derek has made (literal or figurative) winners out of his partners, it’s absurdly easy to say that other pros could have done it as well. To begin, if Val had gotten Amy or Amber, for example, his fans would have been up in arms about how unfair it was for him to have a partner with “additional obstacles.” Furthermore, I don’t think Val would have had the first clue about how to teach Amy. He doesn’t seem to think outside the box, and doesn’t have the kind of versatility needed to handle unconventional situations (hence his song/dance switching). Derek thrives on challenges; Val — not so much.
Regarding other pros getting “who[m]ever else,” the switch-up with NeNe is a great example of what Derek can do, and the switch-up with Paula is a great example of what Mark can do, with celebs from that category. It’s not so much the limitations of the celebrity as it is the limitations of the imagination of the pro that makes the difference.
And finally, declaring who was assigned the “best” celebrity can’t be determined by results. When they are assigned, all there is is what’s on paper, and on paper, Val has been given the “best” celebrity way way way more often than any other pro. That he couldn’t convert any of those to wins without the heavy-handed manipulation of TPTB doesn’t mean they weren’t. It means he couldn’t.
Exactly so Suzy!
No, PDS, what you are saying isn’t necessarily true. It is your opinion. There is a difference. Also, in my opinion, Mark is way ahead of Val in popularity, likability, being respected by his peers and fans alike, and choreography skills (especially).
Suzy, I agree about the pairing of Val and Amy. Val would have given up before he even started with her.
I agree with most of what Suzy said. I loved seeing Derek with NeNe and Mark with Paula. Both were so much fun and it showed how they seemed to be able to help the celebs they are with enjoy the experience, allowing them to have a good time and have fun dancing regardless of scores. And how it usually turns out is when the celeb is more relaxed they seem to be able to learn better and therefore perform better anyway! 🙂
I know it’s kind of unlikely but I really do wish we could see Val with more of a challenge just to see how he’d handle it. In a recent interview he did for a thing here in the Toronto area I recall him saying he doesn’t care a lot about winning any more so much as enhancing the journey for his partner. No idea whether or not I believe this (though I guess I do to a degree because imo as I said before no way he’d react how he did to the arguments and having to drop out this season had he not had a MBT already) but I would like to see him with someone at least kind of challenging in some way so we can see how much this statement holds true (or not :P). I actually did hear a few times that he was interested in dancing with Amy for switch-up but idk how he would have done with her.
If Val, or the producers, thought he could handle a challenge, he would have been paired with Paula Deen in the switch up last season. It’s clear that’s what the fans voted for. She was openly dismayed, initially, to be paired with Mark. Yet as we all saw, they ended up getting along like a house on fire and crafted a very audience pleasing jive together. I only wish we had gotten to see Mark’s cooking lesson. Like an online bonus.
Val has only once had a chubby, 40 something partner, Sherri, in his first season. d she took dance lessons at his studio beforend! His youngest partner was 16 but also an exceptionally poised actress, dancer, singer. And when Zendaya said she couldn’t wear heels, she got away with sneakers with barely a peep out of anyone. Despite being seen walking the red carpet in stilettoes during that period. ALL of Val’s partners had some kind of dance experience before DWTS. Val’s a great dancer. But he’s also a spoiled, entitled brat who has a BAD case of foot in mouth disease.
It’s easy to say after the fact that Derek and Mark “always” get the good partners. You’re forgetting so many challenges they faced because of already having seen them overcome them. A 50 year old with a life threatening neck injury, shy and/or very religious contestants, a woman with no feet, a cowed wife, a plus sized woman whose practice time was extremely limited, a country singer widely regarded as an idiot before DWTS. We have seen Derek and Mark frustrated and working out partnership issues. But because they did, we sometimes forget the issues existed. Other pros too have had tough or challenging partners. But not Val sweetums.
Colleen, if your last paragraph is in reference to me you are preaching to the choir, my friend! I actually love to see Derek and Mark and others face the challenges they have because they do so well in dealing with them and seeing people overcome all sorts of things to create beautiful art is one of my favorite aspects of DWTS. (I actually find realy obvious ringers boring in a way. :P) And I also would have loved to see how the cooking lesson went!
Also the sneakers/non-ballroom shoes in general thing really bothers me whenever it happens. I get that it’s hard for some people to walk let alone dance in heels but it’s part of the challenge and it feels like cheating if they don’t do it.
PDS, how are Shannon Elisabeth the American Pie Starlet, the models Brooke and Joanna, Maria the entertainment reporter or Bethany the youtuber “emotional ringers”? Not everyone who was ever bullied is automatically a ringer for it. And Lil’Kim the recently out of jail rapper – I still think Derek is the only one who could endear her to the general DWTS audience and make people root for her.
I totally agree with Suzy, who was assigned the “best” celebrity can’t be determined by results. After people saw Bindi’s Nae Nae no one thought she had a chance against Alexa, then comes the Jive after 2 weeks with Derek and suddenly everyone is claiming they knew from the beginning that she would win.
I think Val’s pupulartity is largely based on his looks. Mark’s pupularity is largely based on his artistic creativity as choreographer and as musician.
And what you said Julia about the celeb being able to learn better and perform better when they are more relaxed is totally true. See what happened with Danica after Val decided that she didn’t stand out enough in week 1 aven though she was happy with her scores. She ended up falling apart and never really got her confidence back.
I think the “rule” the pros should all keep in mind is if the celebs are happy, they should be happy too. They are there to help the celeb reach their goals on the show so if they are satisfied they’ve done their job. I recall one of the pros either this season or last saying that (not sure which one) and now I always watch for it in each partnership.
And did the nae nae videos really impact people’s predictions for the season that much? I just took them with a grain of salt since they were probably one of the first things they shot and were a far cry from ballroom anyway (plus most of the pros weren’t even that good at it). They were far from a true assessment of dance skills imo, at least in the genres DWTS generally covers. 😛
Julia, I just meant that the Nae Nae video is the only snippet of dancing we’ve seen of Bindi before Derek started teaching her since the show never showed us her first rehearsal.
The things that people come up with just so they can call Derek’s partners ringers… Why wasn’t Petra Nemcova an “emotional ringer”? (Her fiancé drowend during the Tsunami and she suffered serious injuries) And would anyone ever call Ty Murray or Bill Engvall “emotional ringers” even though they made it to 4th place? As Kym Johnson said in a recent interview, it’s not true that Derek always gets the good partners, he makes them look good.
While I think Mark is more popular than Val, I don’t think it translates when it comes to votes on the show. Simply because I feel a lot of Mark fans are also Derek fans, so when it comes to votes during the post midway stage of the competition these fans tend to throw all their votes to Derek, leaving Mark out in the cold. Val doesn’t have the same problem with Maks out of the picture so to the naked eye, he seems more popular based on his placements on the show.
Agreed M8. You explained it very well I think. It seems Mark is a pro a lot of people like but is not a lot of people’s #1. Even a good chunk of the Chmerkovskiy fans who despise Derek with a passion seem to be cool with Mark but since a lot of people are already loyal to someone else first he doesn’t always get the votes.
Also Derek isn’t the only one to get contestants with a good chance of going far based on emotional/likeability-based factors. The most recent two he’s gotten were Amy based on the emotional side and Bindi on the ultra-likeable side, but other have gotten partners like that too, like how Sharna got Noah back in the spring. So I wouldn’t call it a Derek-exclusive term. 😛
I think emotional/likability factors is too broad of a catergory because a lot of people who fit these factors didn’t make it far. I think other factors play a way bigger role like the christian/patriotic vote factor that got Bristol and Candace into the finals (over much better dancers) as well as every army veteran who’s ever done the show. I don’t think Amy and Noah can be compared because Noah had double the force due to being an army hero.
Yeah there’s the Christian vote for sure which I think may have helped the two you mention plus Carlos and Sadie (though both of them were good dancers). With Amy I think the seemingly impossible “dancing without feet” thing was what hooked people. Bindi is kind of in a class of her own likeability-wise and now that I think about it was one of the few from S21 with a widespread demographic appeal from before the season began so idk where to put her categorically except she was likely going to get a lot of votes from the get-go because of those two reasons alone regardless of dancing.
Neutral my ass, PDS. People always try to claim that and it’s always BS. It’s just an attempt to strengthen your argument. You’ll have to find another way.
As long as people continue to say stupid shit on this blog (like Derek always gets the best partners) I will continue to knock it down. That’s they way to change the false mythology. Combat the incorrect repetitions of others. If only the Democrats would figure this out, the world would be a better place.
“Seems like” it possibly because that’s what the producers have been working so hard for since he started the show and they knew Maks was leavving. Neither Derek nor Mark needed that work done for them – which is where the difference is.
About Derek’s partners – still BS. Derek MAKES them into great dancers. Bindi couldn’t even walk in heels. Val couldn’t have done anything with most of Derek’s partners…and he’s shown that, actually. He’s had ringer after ringer after ringer and can’t take it home even when they are pimped to high heaven – until he finally got one who had a bit of a soul, in addition to the manipulation. Not to mention famous parents and dance experience.
I DO agree that Tony gets the occasional funky partner – but mainly that’s because they aren’t going to put the young pros with the much older women. It looks odd and those women probably don’t want either Mark, Derek or Val. Tony is 10 years older than Derek, he’s going to get the older women, much like Corky did. But even he has had several ringers, or great dancers – and couldn’t do jack with them. Like Audrina, for example. The rest don’t get “whoever is left” – Keo had two partners that could have been great. You don’t know until they start dancing. And that’s true for EVERYONE. The difference is, Derek can actually turn those people into dancers. Val? Well, who knows? He’s only had one partner without dance experience, and that one took lessons at DWM before the show. He’s untested, unchallenged.
Exactly Suzy. It reminds me of the very striking example of Maks’ fans being up in arms after Derek won the first time (because Maks hadn’t won at all). They were crying about him getting Brooke and how it wasn’t “fair” (of course, they forgot Maks had Mel B and couldn’t win). The next season they were THRILLED that Derek got Lil’ Kim (another example of him getting the “best partners”? LOL), while Maks got Denise Richards. He was SURE to win, since she was in the Brooke Burke mold. Um, yeah. Some always look good on paper at the beginning of the season. 🙂 Remind me again of how far Denise went, versus Lil’ Kim, the bad ass rapper who had been in prison?? Lil Kim got 5th place and Denise was the second one out. C-bros own fans are the perfect evidence that who looks good on paper may not be good at all – unless they have dance experience, you don’t know. Hindsight is 20-20.
Yes, the nae nae had an impact. A huge one. Why wouldn’t they, as it requires rhythm, as all dancing does. I think most Derek fans are pretty fine with who he gets nowadays, but they were also pretty sure she wouldn’t be a dancer. I pretty much picked Alexa and Nick as final 2. Derek continually said that Bindi had a much harder road than what was show on TV – people always forget that. I think the producers always try to handicap Derek, while they pimp Val’s partners. And the reasons why are obvious.
Well, Geri, people DO need another way to explain away Derek’s success on the show and the “likeability” factor appears to be the new myth. I suspect we’ll start seeing that all over the DWTS fandom. “Derek always gets the likable partners!! Waaa!!” 😀
I actually called Bindi and Nick as final 2 in my pre-season predictions thing that Kristyn Burtt does (Nick in first and Bindi in second) mainly because out of the more widely-known people in that season (of which there weren’t that many really) they seemed like the most likely to be good, or at least decent. Though it’s worth noting that I assume any teenage girl on the show will do alright with the dancing because most of them up to now have (except Bristol of course). Yeah, I know that’s not really a fair way of thinking but that’s just what my mind jumps to. 😛 In Bindi’s case even if she turned out to be not that great when the show itself rolled around I still think she would have gotten far (not won, but maybe made 3rd or 4th) because so many people seemed drawn to her infectious personality.
And no, I’m not saying the likeability is the “secret” (but not actually) behind why Derek tends to do well, because we’ve seen him take all kinds of partners far, but in Bindi’s case I think it probably would have kept her around for awhile regardless of whether she had Derek as a partner or not. But obviously she needed a good teacher to do well with the dances and go on to win. (And if the likeability myth does spread around the fandom I apologize for even mentioning that word. :P)
As for Alexa I assumed both she and Carlos would fare well with their dances and that one of them would make the finale (I had her in third on my finale prediction list) but not win no matter how good they were because they both had more of a teen/young adult fanbase which are notorious for not winning.
But yeah I pretty much laughed those nae nae videos off because they were pretty ridiculous, which was seemingly the point. (And then it turned out even a lot of the people who wound up doing well on the show didn’t do so hot at it so I guess it didn’t matter much after all.)
Clearly it didn’t end up mattering, Julia – but as usual, hindsight is 20/20. Everyone can make a good guess and then point to it after everything is said and done. That’s super easy.
Well it is a fact that Derek never gets the stinkers.. Let Derek be challenged first with an oldie like Chaka, Patti, Paula, Betsey etc..& let see how well he does with them? Then we’ll talk…
PDS, Derek has already got what some like you would call “stinkers” for what we’ve already told you. What YOU can’t accept is that he still made them all into “dancers”. Nene Lekes is another….in only one week, he made her into a dancer when Tony couldn’t after how many weeks? Anyway, I give up.
PDS While he will do just fine with them, they, more importantly, will do better with him than they would with any other pro. Period.
Isn’t that the truth, Suzy!
Heidi – In that case I’ll be sure to be on here early before the next season starts to firmly make my predictions public beforehand as evidence. XD
PDS, on the off chance Derek does return for another season, I would like to see him with another older contestant (especially one with zero dance experience) This isn’t an “oh let’s see how Derek finally fails miserably! mwahahahaha!” thing, I just think it would be fun and something different since it’s been quite awhile now! I mean I didn’t think Paula Deen and Mark (who I would also like to see with one especially since I don’t believe has ever been partnered with a contestant older than their 30’s) were going to work well as a switch-up pair and that was amazingly entertaining. XD I also think Sasha would do amazing with this as well, TPTB just need to wise up and add him to the roster first! 😛
It’s very easy to say “Derek never gets the stinkers” in hindsight because he makes them look good. Shannon, Maria, Lil Kim, to name three were, indeed stinkers. You and Julia just can’t accept the fact that he has had every kind of partner imaginable – whereas VAL hasn’t. Older – check. Injured – check. Overweight – check. Youngsters – check. Multiple different races, ages and abilities. That you want him to have someone “different” is bullshit. Seriously – a woman with no feet and you STILL aren’t satisfied? The problem is YOURS. Why no whining and complaining about Val?? He’s had the same partner time after time. Just because he can’t win without manipulation doesn’t mean he’s been disadvantaged. It just means he ain’t all that.
This complaint applies much more to Val than it does to Derek – where are your complaints, eh??
Yeah, I think this conversation is beyond stupid at this point. I can’t believe after AMY we’re still having this moronic discussion.
I betcha Tony regrets the day that Derek got Nene in the switchup. He could get a NeNe and some of you would move the goal posts yet again. Oh, she was a fan favorite, blah blah blah.
Derek has had someone in their 40’s and Jennifer who was 50 (with severe physical limitations). Their “dance experience” was less than the vast majority of Val’s partners. And both were older than all of them except maybe Sherri, who took lessons at DWM.
Now, both of you HAVE to explain why your focus is on Derek’s partners and not Val’s. Otherwise, this conversation is OVER. I’m deleting comments going forward. We’ve had this same conversation for YEARS and it’s far more asinine now than it was a few years ago.
In my last post I was talking about age. (I know I mentioned other factors before but that was more about various contributing factors to why specific people who had Derek as a pro did well. If Derek were not a great teacher and choreographer he would not have won as many times as he has, but there are lots of factors as to why people vote for certain celebs each season and I like to try to figure out why those celebs attract so many voters. I did not mean to disrespect any of them or Derek or any other pro/celeb in any way.) I did mention lack of experience in my previous post but that was because I don’t think we’ve seen Derek with a partner who was both over 50 and had lack of experience? Which is not me whining about who Derek has or has not gotten in the past, just an observation and something that might be interesting to see in the future if Derek does do another season. I just think it’s something that could be a lot of fun, I meant no harm or attack by it! (I also think seeing Derek with the least-ringer-esque partner possible would make his haters look even more ridiculous than they already do because I’m sure he’d do just fine if not more than fine with her.) So I’m not complaining that Derek has won a lot, just speculating about some of the reasons behind the appeal of his partners to the audience and ideas for what might be fun to see in the future.
So you wanna talk Val’s partners, Heidi? I’m game. 🙂 I do have beef with the fact he’s gotten so many similar ones. I’ve heard maybe he requests a certain type and I also think maybe some of the celebs he’s had requested him. I’m pretty sure Elizabeth did but I don’t recall hearing about anyone else but maybe it happened. In the cases of the celeb requesting a certain pro (for whatever reason) I’m a bit more forgiving but if it really is Val begging for ringers every season then that is certainly annoying to say the least. He has had probably the least amount of variety in terms of the celebrities he’s gotten on the show up to this point which is why I really want to see him with someone really different but to be honest I’ve kind of given up hope by this point. 🙁 Man, did I SAVOUR his season with Tamar, who he wasn’t even supposed to have in the first place, because she was probably the closest thing he’s had to a challenge since maybe his first season on the show. I know she was good but she didn’t blindly cater to his every whim and I liked that about her. 🙂 But yeah I’m gonna be disappointed if he gets another ringer for Season 22 I just feel like no matter how much I go on about it nothing will change, so what else can I say except “Yeah Val’s gotten a ton of ringers/semi-ringers and it’s annoying and unfair?” 🙁
Anyone else have any thoughts on the Val situation?
I think there are contestants who are competitive and want to go all the way and be challenged and contestants who are just doing this for fun but prefer to stay in their comfort zone and just go with the flow. I don’t think the latter category would choose Derek as their partner just because he expects all his partners to work hard, push their limits and embrace challenges. I think the contestants who want to stay in their comfort zone would always prefer Tony.
Paula said she was scared of Mark because he’s young and edgy. I think the older contestants actually prefer to be partnered with the older pros because they feel on a more equal footing with them, rather than having to deal with a ball of energy pro. Differetnt strokes for differents folks.
All these dancers with extensive dance training, I’m so sick of Derek getting them all: Meryl, Charlie, Kristy Y, Evan L, Corbin, Elizabeth Berkley, Danica, Zendaya, Jane Seymour…
And why does he get all the super popular football stars like Emmit, Hines, and Donald?
And the ones with super popular parents: Rumer, Chaz
And fan favorites like Donny Osmond AND a backstreet boy?
No wonder people think he hasn’t been challenged.
+1 Jess and Heidi!!!
And Geri so true too!!
Derek had Shannon Elisabeth when Mark had Kristi Yamaguchi
Derek had Lil’Kim (who was just out of prison) when Mark had Shawn Johnson
Derek had Joanna (who noone knew) when Mark had Melissa Joan Heart
Derek had Amber when Mark had Christina Milian
Derek had Maria when Mark had Katherine Jenkins
Derek had Amy (who noone knew and as the first double amputee was an “experiment” for the show)) when Mark had Candace Cameron, Val had Danica and Maks had Meryl
And still noone is hating on Mark because it’s been a long time since he’s won and people don’t really see him as a threat to their favorite anymore. But he won with an Olympic gold medal winning figure skater and an Olympic Gold medal winning gymnast.
You said it Geri! Some people get it and some will never get it …or they do, but, are in denial.
And aside from Paula for Switch Up week Mark has never had a partner older than 39. Shannon Doherty was his oldest regular partner…
I’m sure Derek would be game to dance with whoever they assign him but purely from the producer’s point of view: Derek is the show’s most successful and accomplished choreographer with 7 Emmy nominations and 2 Emmy wins (including nominations for choreography he did for Joanna and Amy)(Val had at least 5 ringers and not one nomination) Why would the show want to partner Derek with someone who would limit him to basics? It’s like putting your best jokey on your worst horse. Derek would be ok with it and make the best of it but the show couldn’t profit from him as much as they want.
Also if we say that Derek hasn’t had any really bad partners (which I don’t agree with) then the same would also be true for Mark, Val and Maks (Hope Solo had loads of supporters, Kirstie was a fan favorite).
You don’t get it Julia. People making these comments already look extremely ridiculous. Amy was the least ringery person he could get. Not only did she have no dance experience, she had no fanbase and no FEET. This is what I mean by ridiculous. What is it going to take for you people??
Bindi? Not a ringer. No dance experience and no real fanbase – not compared to Nick or even Carlos. You do realize is someone is well loved by the audience when they are on the show it’s not necessarily something they brought into it, right? Same thing with dancing. Just because you end up being good, it doesn’t mean you’re a ringer.
Bethany. Not a ringer. No dance experience. A huge fanbase, but history has clearly shown that people with young fan bases are eliminated early more often than not.
Jennie, Shannon, Brooke, Lil Kim, Joanna, Maria, Kellie- non-ringers all. Some of them were anti ringers, actually. Kim and Joanna had disaster written all over them, yet they weren’t. Why? Derek. Some of his other partners are debatable, and are ringers of different levels, but most of them are NOT. So I can’t figure what would be more “interesting” than Amy or Bindi.
As for Val, so what? Why should they give in to him if that’s true? Why does he think he has the right to ask? As for partners asking for him…I didn’t see you using that same logic on Derek when we know many of his partners asked for him, including Nicole and Jennifer. There is no way all those ringers asked for Val. It’s just not likely when there is an Emmy winning pro also in the house. Statistically, it’s not likely.
As for giving up on Val getting a good challenge so why talk about it – why not apply that same logic to the discussion about Derek? Especially since he HAS been challenged?
LOL Jess…and you even left out quite a few!
AND when Derek had Nicole, he was up against Evan Lysacek – a much more massive ringer. When he had Jennifer, Maks had Brandy, who is identical to Jennifer on paper except 20 years younger and sans screws in neck. That was the same season, was the season Tony had Audrina…can’t remember if she was technically a ringer, but she was an excellent dancer that Tony didn’t handle well (much like Chynna, to name another).
Very good point, Geri that when Derek had ringers others did as well, yet people always act like he was the only one.
If Val is demanding good partners and TPTB are giving in to those demands, then they’re being giant hypocrites. Derek has said many times that the pros have NO say in who they get as partners.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only time Derek had ANY say whatsoever in who he got was after Season 17 and he asked for a challenge because he felt like he had stopped growing on the show (understandable given his record and the year he’d had), so they offered him someone with a “significant physical disability” (Amy). As in Derek asked for TPTB to make it harder for him (and he still came 2nd), whereas Val wants them to make it easier.
Oh, I do think they already look ridiculous. I just think it’s be hilarious for Derek to get exactly who they want him to (which would be the worst absolute possible person on paper, though I don’t even know who out of the celebs we’ve already seen I’d label as that. Amy did seem close, but from scrounging around the internet one of the big factors is that they want the person to be really old) and then when he does well we can laugh in their faces forever (well even more than we already are now). XD
Yeah Bethany wasn’t a ringer and I really had no idea about her fanbase’s power in terms of DWTS. I had an inkling she might fare okay but that was just a general “she’s young and presumably healthy” thing a lot of other celebs have. And I know Bindi didn’t bring in the dance factor when she started the show, I was referring to her personality and the reactions to it that I saw from people online, in real life, and in the media in the weeks leading up to the premiere and during the season.
I think we did talk about people possibly asking for Derek but if we didn’t then yeah it is a factor for sure and I don’t have a problem with celebrities asking for a pro. But yeah, like with other pros, that’s probably why he ended up with some of the people he did. And as for Val possibly asking for certain celebrities, they really SHOULDN’T give into his demands and it infuriates me. >:(
I wasn’t complaining about Derek’s partners like I was Val’s. The latter was mostly me being upset so that’s why I said I don’t want to bother going on and on about why Val’s partner history has and likely will continue to annoy me. I’m not upset about the partners Derek has had, I just like discussing them (in an analytical way not a negative one). I don’t mind discussing Val’s partners as a trend but I just don’t have as much to say on that topic apart from “yeah I find it annoying”. I have analysed some of those partnerships individually in the past as well. I didn’t mean no one else should talk about it. I really enjoy hearing other people’s thoughts on matters like this. 🙂
So yeah I like to just discuss things from an analytical standpoint. I feel the need to state this because people on both sides of the Hough-and-sometimes-Ballas vs. Chmerkovskiy and co. fan rivalry have recently accused me of being “brainwashed” by the other (mostly on twitter and tumblr) and I refuse to play that game of having to be on a “side” and finding reasons to hate anyone who is “the enemy”. (I would have never survived the intense boy band rivalries of the 90’s. :P)
You can not pick a side and still not play into the old myths – and frankly, when you agree with anything PDS says, that’s exactly what you’re doing.
I’m as analytical as they come, actually, but I refuse to buy into BS just for the sake of analysis. And, for the record, I don’t think they’re actually giving Val what he wants, but trying desperately (and failing, IMO) to build him up into the next DWTS “star”. What they forget is that Derek got his star power with a fairly long string of not great to bad partners. He took people who, on paper should have been horrible people that the audience hated (Lil’ Kim and Joanna) and made them into legit contenders. That forced Derek into his most creative. By handing Val ringers every time except possibly once, he doesn’t have to work as hard, he doesn’t have to be creative…so why should anyone root for him?? Sure, he has his fans, but I think there’s more of a ceiling there because he’s not into growth like Derek is. A lack of challenge equals a lack of growth, which will ultimately equal a static fanbase. Especially if he continues to put his foot in his mouth.
Yes people should remember that on paper Jennie Garth and Shannon Doherty look like the same type of contestant. Same for Brooke Burke, Denise Richards and Pamela Anderson. Or Joanna Krupa and Elisabetta Canalis. Petra Nemcova had a very emotional story and still noone cared to vote her past week 4.
Derek didn’t get any real ringer until his 5th season, while Mark got Kristi Yamaguchi in his second season and Val got Zendaya in his 4th. When Derek won with a model, which noone had managed to do before and noone has done since, he made himself popular. He’s the only one to get a model past week 4 and he did it twice.
After what he did for Joanna Krupa in a season with the biggest cast ever (16) including big household names, amazing dancers like Mya and seasoned performers like Aaron Carter, Nicole requested him as her partner and then Jennifer did and by that time he already was the most winning pro.
Kellie Pickler competed in and season including Aly Raisman and Zendaya and people thought Derek could never win again but he managed to turn things around at the last moment with the freestyle. And the rest is history so to say.
It always amuses me how Derek’s haters always swing between “Derek always gets the best dancers/the best partners” and “Derek’s partners aren’t that great so the better dancers should have won” see Zendaya, Corbin, Nick etc.
I have to say that what I really love is that Derek tends to get total opposite partners in consecutive seasons (opposites in background, story, personality and body shape/looks): Amber (S17) is the total opposite of Kellie (S16), Amy (S18) is the total opposite of Amber(S17), Bethany (S19)is the total opposite of Amy (S18), Nastia (S20) is the total opposite of Bethany (S19) and Bindi (S21) is the total opposite of Nastia (S20).
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