Private Members Area – DWTS Season 22 Week 4 Discussion
It’s time for the Dancing with the Stars Season 22 week 4 and you know what that means. Time to enjoy some friendly, educated banter with the Pure DWTS Insiders. If you’re not a Pure DWTS Insider yet, you can do so here. If you are, then I look forward to the discussion in the comments.
What did you think of Disney week? Did you like the song selections? Is it starting to get redundant to have Disney week? Did you have a favorite or least favorite dance of the night?
How about the guest judge? Were you glad to have Zendaya back? What about next week’s guest judge?
Any other tidbits or insights?
My personal opinion is that Disney Night is overrated. It was cute the first time they did it, but it’s really getting old now. And this whole show just made me angry
Antonio’s scores and the lack of package about him not giving a shit at all. How on earth does he deserve the same score as Wanya and a better score than Nyle, Von, and even Kim. Then lets go to Ginger who did this dance that was pretty boring overall and she gets the top score? I don’t mind that Paige got 9’s, but to be at the same score. Sometimes I wonder why I keep watching this show. (oh yes, I love this community, real journeys, and actual dancing.)
I watch the show every week with my friend who is more of a casual viewer. She asked me if the judges were high tonight. I think the answer is yes.
End rant…
Wait wait wait wait …
Did Nyle’s tweet give it away?
Is it Erin and Nyle?
I am a big time “Steeler” fan, because I was born and raised north of Pittsburgh, PA. being 66 years old, that means I’ve enjoyed them and had many favorites. Antonio Brown is a great player and my favorite. Being that for what it is, I try to look at things logically without bias. I can’t sit at my computer and watch everyone’s rehearsals, and so I don’t see all this negative stuff I read. Playing football is a lot different than Ballroom Dancing. I think Antonio is improving every week. And I give Von credit for as well as he is doing, because he is one tall dude and that makes it a challenge for both he and Witney.
I have enjoyed Disney night much more in previous seasons. I guess I was more familiar with the movies and songs in previous seasons.
If Val is trying to go the “Broadway” choreography, he needs to sharpen up on regular choreography first. I was shocked that Len praised their dance so highly without mentioning all the messing around in the beginning of the dance and all the walking around. You can sure tell who his favorite is, and he should have stayed in England. I miss Julianne, cause she wasn’t a sour puss.
I’m still pissed at CAI for docking Wanya a point. Seriously? In my opinion, his Lion King Samba was my favorite dance of the season.
I love Nyle and his Samba was cute, but his movements just seemed a tad off, beit timing, or whatever. But all in all, he’s crazy good.
How on earth does Antonio score so high? Sure it may have been his best dance but he was WAY overscored.
I love Von. Can he stay and Antonio go?
I’ve never been a big fan of the Quickstep so my own personal rating of Paige and Mark probably reflects that. While their dance was cute and Paige was incredible. I didn’t think it was pimp worthy. But oh well.
And Now or My Own Personal Star of the Show last night. Wanya and Lindsay! Their Lion King Samba was off the charts amazing. Was that a freestyle? WOW!! These two leave me on pins and needles all week long just waiting to see what they bring to the dance floor the following week.
@Suzy – I think Erin has a boyfriend.
What the heck was that Lion King Samba routine???? It was awesome! Wanya is really on another level and I just love it. Entertaining, original, highly technical…it just really stood out all around. I can’t believe you can give Ginger a 36 and not do the same (or better) for Wanya. I get Ginger is a ABC gal, but eventually something has to give. When even my almost 70 year old mother is calling bullshit on the bag job, you know it’s bad. As she told me last night “get on twitter and say something about this bag job” — as if I have any control hahaha.
Forget to mention, I enjoyed Zendaya as a guest judge — full disclosure, I’m a Zendaya fan though. In general, I don’t think guest judges should be past contestants so I’m not a fan of that overall. That being said, Zendaya was perfectly fine. She didn’t really rock the boat obviously but I would have been annoyed if she started giving technical critiques or something, girl isn’t a trained ballroom dancer after all. She is so bitter about DWTS, that it was a nice change to see her be positive about the experience. Better than Donny if nothing else!
I love Disney night, and really enjoyed the show last night, minus some of the judging. I thought Antonio did better last night, but I still didn’t think it was great. Thought he was a little off of the pro dancers at the end, but the judges seemed to ignore that and gave him a ton of 9s. No way did I think he was as good as Wanya, Nyle, Paige, or even Kim! I loved Kim’s quickstep. In my opinion she isn’t getting enough credit for her dances.
I said after Val and Ginger’s dance that I wasn’t sure if I liked the dance, or if I just liked it because I love Beauty and the Beast. It also seemed very Broadway-y which I enjoy. After watching it again, I definitely think it was just because it was Beauty and the Beast.
I’m excited for switch-up.
I think Zendaya did a fab job as judge. MUCH better than CAI last night, that’s for sure. CAI must be going on air either drunk, stoned or both because a LOT of her remarks really made NO sense…given the fact that she gave Antonio a 9 for a very simple routine that he learned in 10 hours of rehearsal time. He did it well. Imagine how well he’d do if he were ALL in??
I gotta feel for Sharna. I think she’s one of the better female choreographers the show has had since Julianne has left. Honestly, Sharna wants Peta for him in the switch-up? I’d rather see him get Karina because that woman does NOT put up with any BS!
I just didn’t understand WHY they overscored Antonio & Ginger. Ginger’s routine was mostly her standing around with a few lifts here and there. Had she been partnered with Derek, CAI WOULD’VE called her out on those lifts. Von was WAY better than most and his routine was my favorite of the night. WItney made a stunning Cinderella. I suppose the scoring reflected on how badly they want Antonio vs Von to play out.
I would’ve put Jodie in as a lock for the finals. I felt really bad that she says she couldn’t hear the music over the crowd yelling. Don’t understand the need for how they set that scene up. I think Keo is giving her decent choreo. Just felt bad for the girl.
Loved Wayna & Lindsay’s Samba. Girl looked FIERCE! CAI deducting a point for him being too hard? Um hello twatwaffle. Lions are the KINGS of the Jungle! DUH!
Great…Maks in the judges seat next week. I suppose he’ll give Antonio, Nyle, Ginger a 10 ‘just because he can’. I’d say the only one who will deserve it would be Nyle. Guess we’ll see.
All of Wanya’s past week footage was of him sweating his ass off with training for last nights Samba. He put his ALL into that routine only to receive an 8 from CAI for dancing too hard? I didn’t see it & even though he stated he agreed with CAI about that I still call foul. Then you have Antonio, who probably never broke a sweat this entire week and managed by the skin of his teeth to log in 10 hours of rehearsal time? I’m sincerely looking forward to his hard fall from grace. It’s frustrating to see people like Nyle, Paige & Wanya who have continuously put their all in the past 3 weeks only to have Antonio swoop in with a mediocre dance and high praise & scores. Had that been Nyle, Paige or Wanya with the same routine …. they’d be looking at 7’s across the board. JMHO though.
I am also a Steeler fan. Antonio Brown is a All Pro Wide Receiver. His work ethic is off the charts. Google that and you will read nothing but high praise from his coaches, peers and analysts. I will say that his dances so far were lukewarm at best. This week, I finally felt that he actually danced and looked like he was having fun. It was his best dance. As for how he was scored that’s on the judges. I thought he would get 8’s with a 9 from Zendaya. If he is late or not giving 100% to the dance of the week – I suspect it’s because he’s also training for his job. That will come first and foremost to AB as that is his livelihood. If he is not conditioned properly he will sustain injuries. I suspect maybe he wasn’t informed or didn’t realize how much more he was going to have to give to also prepare for DWTS. As for Maks comments – He needs look at the entire picture. AB is working his tail off for his NFL job, I feel lazy may not be the correct description.
I love Disney week. Love the music, dances and costumes.
Zendaya is fine for a guest judge but not one of my favorites.
Shari, Von is also on an NFL team and yet he manages to log a shit ton more practice time than Antonio does. I think the sad fact is that Antonio just doesn’t care – and yet he gets rewarded for his bad behavior while Von is made to look like the slacker.
There has been some buzz on social media about this site having a lot of “Sharna haters”. My opinion on Antonio’s performances so far has nothing to do with how capable I feel Sharna is as a pro. Do I think she goes overboard with antics every season? Yep. But she’s an incredible dancer and performer and I have to say that her partnership with Noah was one of my favorites. This season with Antonio is the complete opposite for me.
I think that some of Antonio’s fans are getting his commitment and discipline for dancing confused with that of his dedication as a Steeler. Clearly, he’s dedicated to his football career, or he wouldn’t be where he is. However, that doesn’t mean that he’s approaching this show the same way. The two are completely separate. If he only logged around 10 hours of rehearsal this week, then he is not showing the level of commitment to this that the other contestants are. That includes another current NFL player, parents, full time athletes, etc. Everyone has things going on, but yet they make the time. And more importantly, they don’t inconvenience others as a result of being “too busy”.
I saw the tweets about Pure being Sharna haters. Which isn’t the case. Because the site doesn’t kiss Val and Maks’ ass, then we are all haters by their logic. I had mad respect for Sharna…until she blindly defended Val’s actions in posting that pic on Insta in the off-season. In a case like that, it’s best to keep your opinions to yourself. Still appreciate Sharna’s hard work that she must be putting into Antonio given his current level of committment.
Now if the guy is THAT busy that he can only manage 10 hrs of rehearsal in a week? He should’ve declined the offer to appear on the show and this comes from a Steeler fan. Born & raised in PA about a 100 miles north of Pittsburgh. I agree with you Whitney…he’s clearly not as dedicated to DWTS as is every other contestant who all have equally important commitments.
Wasn’t it during the 2nd week that Wanya & Lindsay were in 6 different cities and still managed to slay their Salsa? Albeight, they didn’t get the overly blatant scoring that Antonio did but the point is that like many others have stated Antonio is not the only one with extra commitments & you don’t hear it affecting others rehearsal time like he is allowing it to affect his.
Hah – unless you have rainbows shooting out your ass on a regular basis, you are deemed a hater by the stans. They then turn around and report to their pro of choice like the little sycophants they are (look up the big words, children). It’s so ridiculous it’s funny. We have opinions and they are not always positive. We say exactly what we think on a regular basis. That will not change, so the stans best get used to it.
No one here “hates” Sharna, from what I’ve seen. We have had less than glowing opinions about her lately based on HER actions and HER choreography – that only makes one a “hater” if you’re a five year old. Clearly, some of her fans ARE five year olds. And possibly Sharna herself, since she takes the word of the little twits instead of investigating it for herself.
And yes, we know they are such stans that they buy membership to this site that they hate (pay actual money!) so they can screen cap what we say and share with others. :::waves::: Thanks for reading, though. 🙂 You bought me at least one beer in New Orleans last week. 😉
I’m always a fan of Disney Week. Still waiting for a song from Tangled or The Princess and the Frog to make an appearance… though maybe songs from those movies are a bit harder to clear. Who knows?
Zendaya was actually a really great guest judge. I found myself really appreciating all her comments because of how positive they were. And it was nice that she acknowledged she can’t comment on the technical stuff, too. Some guest judges try to make comments on technique and… it doesn’t work, haha.
As for next week’s guest judge… I’m a bit more blah about. I’ve not cared for Maks as a judge the past two times he’s been on, and I doubt third time’s the charm will be the case next week…
I can’t really say much else about last night that no one’s already said – especially RE: Antonio. I do have one comment about him though… He’s kind of… robotic. Like… I don’t know there’s something about his face and the way he was acting with his little chat with Erin last night that made me think “Is anything going on in that head of his?” He may have a smile plastered on his face, but there just doesn’t seem to be anything else going on.
I agree…there are some fans that hate us. So, now they are trying to convince her that we hate her too. *rolleyes* Fat chance and I stressed to Sharna that we don’t hate her. I think she knows that we don’t now I hope and I really hope those fans grow up and take a long hard look in the mirror.
The more interesting question is why Sharna would care one way or another about anything we have to say. We’re just a fan blog, right? Hmmmm
Where to begin?
Wow – some awesome performances. Coming off of last weeks “pleasant” dances, this was full of energy.
Wanya – outstanding, and Im stunned that no one has commented on his costume. That had to be so heavy and hot. The amount of energy to move in it – just shows an even greater effort level on his part. I didnt care for the costume but that had to add a great deal of difficulty.
Antonio – so now I know what a package looks like when there was basically no practice. Yes he has great showmanship, but IMO, thats all that dance was.
Doug – I think he is next to go. He sure is trying, but he just doesnt have the ability level of the rest. Karina sure seemed shocked that they were staying!
Paige – great job, like her more each week. Can always count on Mark for some creative story and costumes!
Nyle – truly impressive with the bongos. How quickly Peta covered up for Nyle’s saying his deafness was an advantage!!!! I think the blessing is that he wouldn’t know he was off-beat until watching later, or being told. So at least you wouldn’t be in the middle of a dance and think “S** I missed it”.
Jodie – I cant put my finger on it, but just not getting the connection with her. She is kind of falling into the un-memorable category for me
Ginger – I thought this may have been her best, and it was certainly the most honest for Val – All of the fawning and preening himself. And I see he had a second moment of clarity this week when he said he wouldn’t have been as graceful as Marla about her introduction as Donalds ex. For some reason this dance reminded me of s19 Jazz with Janel. Over-produced, too much going on. I feel like vals choreo is either simple and boring, or he goes the other extreme with completely over the top as a production. Maybe he’s a bit bipolar – lol.
Question for the mods – assuming you are still reading at this point..:)
Sharna – I feel bad about Antonios work ethic, but does anyone know how she is personality wise? If she is bothered by this site, and online fans it kind of seems like maybe she is a bit dramatic. We know she pulls the dramatic tactics out each season, so do you think that is her tendency in real life?
I find it a bit interesting that the two that seemed a tad upset about their scores all of a sudden end up at the top (or near) of the leaderboard!
I’ve said it before, I just don’t don’t get why TPTB are so willing to pimp Antonio and show Von in a less than favorable light! Is getting Sharna a MBT so important that they are willing to sacrifice IMO better dancers (with better work ethics and drive)? This baffles me! I wasn’t a fan of the pimping in the seasons that Maks and Val won, but at least I admit that one of the top contenders won in those seasons. In this season, it appears to me that Antonio has yet to be anywhere above the middle of the pack.
In regards to haters, why do some people seem to think that you have to LOVE every single partnership and dance? I’m a huge Derek fan, but there have been partnerships (Lil Kim and Ricki come to mind) that I wasn’t crazy about and even in seasons that I loved (i.e. Shawn) there were one or two dances that left me feeling “meh”. Does that mean I’m a Derek hater? LOL!
Seems like some pros have gotten a wee bit thin skinned (maybe they’ve bought into their own PR and fans fawning)! They’ve all been on the competition circuit, so I’d think they’d know that not very one will love them all the time. I don’t “hate” Sharna! I admit I’ve been a bit disillusioned about some social media comments she has made and over the last two seasons IMO the creative choreography I had come to expect seems to be lacking (and maybe that’s a result of her partners being unable or unwilling to perform at that level), but hate? Frankly, I have more important things to worry about than to invest my time hating on her!
Okay, rant over!!!!
Shari (#10), Antonio’s reputation for being a hard worker in the NFL means bupkis to me if he’s not willing to give Sharna the level of respect she’s due as his coach/team mate on DWTS. I don’t care if he’s just doing the show for a bit of fun. That’s fine; and if he doesn’t want to work super hard, that’s OK by me. However, he needs to let Sharna know that and have the courtesy to work out an arrangement that gives her a certain number of established hours per week. Then he needs to show up on time and give her his attention and best effort. Not showing up to rehearsals, showing up way late, and shrugging it off is unacceptable, immature, and rude.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand wasting space wasting space wasting space HI HATERS! wasting space wasting space…
Apparently Nyle & Sharna are thrilled that they got each other in the switch. I guess Sharna & Peta were hoping to switch partners – no word yet on whether Peta got (stuck with) Antonio. Nyle was hoping to get either Sharna or Lindsay. I guess Sharna made a point of mentioning to Nyle that she was really excited to “work hard” because she “only ever gets about 10 hours of rehearsal time each week with Antonio”. Ahem…
In her blog Sharna talks about Antonio like he’s good as gold.
Maybe in bed…
…but not in rehearsals.
You can’t mean …
Can you?
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Leaving space, leaving space, leaving space, wasting space, wasting, space.
wasting space.
What? Huh?
Does that mean what I think it means? Is it them?
If it is what it appears to be; can I just say “ick”? LOL! That one was not on my radar at all!
BOOM!!!
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Ok, now that it’s out of the bag… I’ve got to say that I was pretty disappointed when I gathered this one from Court’s clues. They’re adults and can do whatever they want, it happens on this show from time to time. BUT the timing is very suspicious given his most recent relationship, which involves children.
Obviously, I don’t know the whole story, but it was widely buzzed that he entered this competition in a relationship with the mother of his youngest two children.
All that aside, it appears she’s lost total control of the situation (professionally). And has most likely compromised any chance of regaining it. Why would he improve his behavior when it’s being so positively reinforced?
I was actually curious to see if this week’s lack of rehearsal was causing trouble in paradise. But after reading Sharna’s blog, my guess is no.
Wasted space, leaving space, wasted space, *Leaving space, wasted space* and more space.
One word… Ewww! His personality is so off putting and yucky. What a tool! BTW, I thought he had a girlfriend? Or is it just a bunch of kids?
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For me it’s not so much the ick factor as I think she’s put herself into a bad spot. Gave her power away big time. Not a good sign that she’s “confided” (anything) about Antonio to Nyles. Gettin’ messy.
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EWWWWW!!!!!!!! Disgusting. But I have to say Im a bit confused or I misunderstood.
I took the “lack of practice” to mean they weren’t spending time together. Does this mean the time is being spent …elsewhere…???? If so – thats totally unprofessional. And if they really aren’t spending that much time together then what is it – a quickie quickstep?
Sorry – just grossed myself out. And then if she is shading Antonio to Nyle already? Wow, my opinion of her is really sinking.
#21) CIDRA – thank you. I was trying to think how to word my thoughts on Antonio and his NFL vs dance work ethic. Perfectly said. There are two diff environments, two diff goals, and one doesnt equal the other.
So mods can ignore my post from yesterday asking if Sharna tended towards the dramatic in real life. I think we got the answer already!!!
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I’m still in shock. Gross! What on earth is she thinking? 4 kids..
To me, his personality just screams “Player”. And just what has he been doing and who has he been with while he’s away and can’t practice.
Just what deal is he closing? Is he sealing the deal with another woman?
My respect for Sharna just went downhill. My goodness, be professional and at least wait until the competition is over.
Now I’ll really be pissed if they win this season. BOO! No longer a fan of Sharna. Bye!
I wish there was a better way to move some space. I think that have enough space and then… I don’t.
Maybe the mods know a better way to clear the space?
Thanks! and thanks for the tidbits.
Wasting space……wasting space wasting space….hope this is enough!
For me, the “ick” is personal, since I’m less than impressed with him as a person! They are adults so whatever they chose to do is their business. But she may be giving up some control on the professional level, or at least it appears that way! IMO, I always have kind of felt that the pro is the “boss” in the relationship (the celeb should be the student, listening and learning) and all too often when that line is blurred it can affect the professional relationship and not always in a good way!
In any case, I’ll be curious to see how this week with Karina goes and if their is conflict does it make the package or do TPTB continue to show him as Mr. Wonderful and Von as the slacker?
Wasting space wasting space! Hi Stans!! Waves to waste space….. Wasting space….. Wasting space…now run & tell THAT! Lol..space I’m wasting……
Well! Never would’ve expected that match-up!! Not in a billion years….my guess was Nyle & Paige! Lol
Thanks Kelly for posting.
I’m trying to hide some of previous comments from the sidebar.
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I’ll just say this: Sharna has had a rough time these last few months. Her Nan passed, she had a very acrimonious split with her longtime boyfriend, she caught flak for defending Val in the face of the lawsuit, and for two seasons in a row now, she’s been given a partner that was widely expected to win, but has fallen woefully short of expectations. That’s a LOT to deal with, and it can lead to extreme feelings of vulnerability…which can lead to some decisions that are maybe not-so-wise in retrospect. She’s HUMAN – I’m not gonna shame her for getting hers. Do I think that this potential complication is perhaps muddying the water of their partnership a bit, to the point where Antonio feels he can get away with only rehearsing about 10 hours a week? Possibly. It is what it is. She’ll live & learn, and hopefully come out stronger and wiser from it. Lord knows I made my fair share of mistakes with guys in the past – but with each one, I got a little bit stronger, a little bit smarter, and figured out what I did & didn’t want. As much as some of her emotionally immature, crybaby fans want to say I “hate” her (seriously? grow up), I actually feel sorry for her more than anything else, and I hope she finds what she needs during this period in her life.
EDIT: And it’s 100% on Antonio to determine exactly what his relationship with his baby mama is. If he doesn’t respect that relationship, why should anybody else?
Court, I feel sorry for her too. She’s been through so much. With being on the DWTS tour as well, she’s had zero time off and time for herself in a year. Seriously, I don’t know how all the pros do it sometimes with a schedule like that and it’s bound to take it’s toll on relationships and judgement etc. I’m glad they will all get a break from the show and touring this summer and have time for just themselves and in Sharna’s case,…healing too. I know I learn/learned from those hard knocks in life too and I only wish her the best.
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I hear what you are saying, and I think you make some really valid points. I guess I was so disappointed because I thought she’d know how the situation could easily look to those that aren’t involved (this all involving Antonio’s very recent split with his girlfriend) regardless of whether it had anything to do with her. But, like you said, she’s been through a lot lately and she may not be thinking as clearly as she normally would. I just kept saying to myself, “I hope she knows what she’s doing…”
Since she’s never been involved with a partner on the show before, maybe she really thought she could handle that and keep the lead professionally. Call me a crazy, but I actually think a bad edit would do him some good. It would force him to see what everyone else may be seeing when they watch him and that he needs to be accountable for his actions. You know, a good ole hubris check.
Wish I had an emoji for flipping the bird that I could put here in order to waste space 😛 HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII LURKERS………………….
…FWIW, as someone who has fallen for their dance partner, ballroom is one of those sports where it can be very easy to confuse dance floor chemistry with real life chemistry if you aren’t very emotionally self-aware. I think anyone that has does ballroom for at least a year has had at least one experience with either developing feelings for a partner or misinterpreting signals from a partner because the dancing itself is so emotionally-charged and physical. I don’t think its a coincidence that almost every pro on the show has, at one time or another, “caught feelings” for a partner. Derek did it (Shannon). Mark did it (Sabrina). Val has done it, possibly more than once (Janel, Rumer…). Karina’s done it (Mario, and allegedly, Apolo). Maks did it (Willa Ford – and no, there wasn’t ever anything real between him & Meryl). Peta’s kinda done it (in between Maks, round 1 and Maks, round 2, there were Brant & James). Cheryl did it (Ochocinco). Lacey did it (Mike Catherwood). It happens even when you’re in a pretty good state of mind – so I’m not at all surprised when it happens when someone’s emotionally compromised. And it doesn’t usually work out – but hey, it’s usually fun while it lasts, and you grow from it. But there’s a reason why those with dance careers have a sky-high divorce rate – I think it’s somewhere around 43%.
My favorite dances were
Nyle and Peta’s Samba- Crazy fun and so much content.
Wanya and Lindsay’s Samba- The two of them are killing it! Lindsay has done so well with choreography that she might hit a block as they get closer to finals. Still I have been really excited to see what she puts together every week.
Paige and Mark- Just loved everything about this dance. It wasn’t quite as awesome as his Mario themed dance with Sadie but it had that same child like playfulness and creativity that I love.
I felt bad for Jodie I agree that at that point if she couldn’t hear the music she needed to focus in on Keo and trust him to get her through the dance. I thought the 7’s were fair but the judges comments were ridiculous. I think she got the fact she messed up without them rephrasing it 10 different ways.
I liked all the rest of the dances. As for the Sharna and Antonio thing. I already commented about his lack of work ethic on another thread and how disrespectful that is to Sharna. However, if the rumors are true, GAG Where is her head? Looks like he’s been playing a lot more than football.
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@Court, I totally understand what you’re saying about partners getting involved easily. I think that’s also why it’s so easy for us as viewers to want to believe that there’s more to a lot of these partnerships than just dancing. It’s probably the same reason a lot of actors get involved with each other.
However, I have to disagree with your edit a bit. While yes, I do believe the status of Antonio’s relationship with anyone is up to him, I do think everyone should respect his relationship with his baby mama… And this may not be what you meant… But just because someone doesn’t respect their partner enough to stay faithful, does not make it ok for another party to get involved. If you know someone is involved, then you should respect that even if the participant doesn’t.
I found an option that should suppress comments from appearing in the sidebar for all the Private Member area posts. At least that’s what it says it will do. We’ll see when the cache clears.
I’d have a relationship with Sharna if I were dancing with her too 🙂
Court and Vogue, I know what you are staying and agree. I still remain hopeful that we will soon see the re-emergence of the old Sharna! I loved the partnership with Andy (it showed the nurturing side) and Charlie and most of the season with Noah. It’s only been with everything going upside down in the past months in her personal life that I noticed a change.
Mark is a good example (at least for me) of someone who lost their spark or mojo for a while. He went from being one of my favorite pros to near the bottom of the list. But then, a couple of seasons ago (the one with Sadie) the “old” Mark came back and I’m loving his creativity and partnerships again! I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this will happen in this case as well,
I agree that when you are spending hours a day, virtually seven days a week with someone in some pretty close physical contact, it’s all too easy to for the line to become blurry between personal and professional. It’s easy to see why so many jobs and businesses really frown on relationships between coworkers.
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While I DO feel for her in many respects – and she’s quite young still, so more prone to stupid mistakes – I absolutely do NOT feel sorry for her when it comes to working. Dear lord, I work ever freakin’ day, including some weekends when necessary – most people do. Her work is not a reason to pity her nor an excuse to get away with stuff. She is LUCKY – extraordinarily lucky – to have a job dancing on television and then going on tours for dance. She and the other pros have had more exposure (and more money) than most professional dancers can ever, EVER hope for. They get more time off between seasons and tours than many people get in an entire year. Including ME and I get four weeks of vacay a year!
So, no – not a reason for pity. There are other reasons, for sure, but that is not one of them. I do wish all the pros would wake up to the fact of how very lucky they are. Some of them – Sharna included – come off as quite entitled recently. And no, this is not what “hate” looks like. Stupid children.
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I’m with Courtney – very tired of the “respect someone’s relationship” mantra that always seems to change into “it’s all the other woman’s fault, if she would have just respected my relationship, he never would have cheated” BS. Cheaters will cheat. If you say “No” someone else will say yes. And how do you know that she wasn’t told that it was over??
Good ole John. Playing in the shallow end of the pool – hey, I’m often right there with ya, buddy. 🙂
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Not sure what to think but to me, it’s obvious Sharna is going through a bit of a transition in her life where she’s trying to figure out what she wants. She recently turned 30 and her longterm relationship ended — who knows why — and is single again for the first time in a while. She’s allowed to put herself out there and see what happens, with some mistakes along the way. I guess part of my head scratching is that I always got the impression she was very level headed, mature, and just fairly awesome. The last few seasons my opinion on her has changed some so this is just something else in a long list of things. We’ll see what happens I guess!
Speaking about pros…is it sad that I noticed not many pros at all wished JJ a happy bday yesterday? Sorry…conspiracy theorist.
Some people like to play in the deep end. I prefer to keep it simple and enjoy the shallow waters.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t as much talking about her work, but, rather everything that’s happened to her personally this past year and trying to keep it all together.
Courtney – excellent points.
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Sharna has had a rough year and hopefully she will pick herself up from this. I am really interested in seeing both Sharna and Antonios packages this week. Although there was barely a package last week, it will be interesting to see the diff dynamics. Im even hoping that Nyles challenges will spark Sharnas creativity. Maybe we will get one of her top choreos.
I didnt know about the Rumer/Val thing, I thought he was already with Jenna back then. Now that would have been a pretty twisted triangle!
I got what you meant, Vogue – and that’s kinda the direction I was going in, too. Her job is her job – but I do feel bad at the shitstorm that she’s been in personally these last few months, and I can understand why she’s maybe not making the most coherent, wise decisions. She’s hurting, and that’s ok.
John, I still see the comments on the main page – too lazy to scroll upstream, did you say you fixed it or were working on fixing it?
@Sarina – You’d be amazed at some of the stuff we’ve heard during some of the seasons that we’ve had to keep to ourselves (either temporarily, or permanently), as well as stuff we’ve heard much, much later after the fact. We actually got tipped off about Rumer & Val from something that was said by one of the pros in a confessional – said pro was asked to comment on Rumer & Val’s “deep connection”, and made some kind of joke of a sexual nature that basically confirmed that they were doing the do 😛 And while everyone was talking about Janel & Val hooking up in season 19, I actually have pictures that seem to suggest that he might not have been the only male pro she was cozying up to…
…I guess the point I’m trying to make in all of this is that the pros are human, too. They aren’t saints, eunuchs, nuns, or monks – they have “needs”, too, and have been know to sate those needs in questionable ways. 😛
@sarina — I don’t think anything was ever going on with Rumer and Val. They always came off very platonic to me. If anything, Val tried to keep it as platonic as possible after the Janel debacle. Of all his partners, I think he only ever had anything (even fleeting) with Kelly and Janel. With Jenna, it seems they dated briefly in S18 and didn’t start up again until this tour ended — from what I gather based on social media and general behavior. She seems to just be someone to hold his attention for the time being though…as terrible as that sounds.
Posted my comment before reading Courtney’s newest post — forget what I said about Rumer and Val! Hahaha. I clearly don’t have any real info so I say we go with Courtney on this one.
@DLT – Ehhhh, we got some pretty good intel that seems to confirm that there was some P in V where Rumer & Val were concerned – but it was very, very much on the DL, and we only found out about it via a quote from one of the other pros that ultimately (obviously) did not make it into one of the packages. Quote was pretty explicit, and because of the pro it came from (you’d never guess who said it), we had good reason to believe that this pro was not joking. I actually got the impression that it may have been a one-time thing and that Val may have regretted it, while Rumer may have had genuine feelings for him. I just remember thinking that things got really, really awkward between them after season 20 wrapped, and it seemed like Rumer was gushing about Val while he…remained a bit distant. Who knows, but I’m pretty sure SOMETHING happened there.
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I have no judgments on Sharna’s choice of booty call, or boyfriend, or whatever it is. Antonio may not be invested in the show (which may be partly her fault for blurring the lines) but I can’t think of a better way for a pick-me-up after a traumatic break-up and personal issues than for some hot guy to give a big dose of the D. He may not be the most outwardly personable man, but her exbf wasn’t exactly a brain surgeon either. I have had some recent criticisms of Sharna – but this isn’t one of them.
That being said, I am REALLY looking forward to seeing Karina and Antonio because it might be just what he needs – a talented, taskmaster type that isn’t afraid of throwing her weight at him because of a budding relationship.
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Well then. I could see a short lived physical thing btwn R/V, guess I just didnt see any strong emotional connection. I have a question tho about s19. From my completely oblivious outside world view – Janel had feelings for V. But I never thought he reciprocated. To me it seemed he liked the physical package, but nothing else with it. It almost seemed from wk 1 that he was a bit disappointed in her – maybe her work ethic, or that she didnt seem competitive. Anyway, I remember there was an online spat btwn them right after the season, then I noticed she never mentions DWTS, like ever. Its like she doesnt want it in her bio. I remember about 2-3 weeks after the season, all of her interviews completely ignored that she had just been on the show. That couldn’t be coincidence. She must have refused to discuss it. Any ideas on what went down and how it got that bad? Even the show seemed to ignore that she had just been there. It just all seemed very odd to me.
@Sarina — again, I have no real info but did follow the Janel/Val situation after the season ended as it gave me a good chuckle. I do remember seeing on twitter they were spotted together once or twice when Val went back to LA after Thanksgiving and before tour rehearsals started, so at most it was two weeks after the season ended. Then I think week 3 or 4 after the season Janel made a big public event of unfollowing him on social media and then the passive aggressive tweets starting coming from both sides. I’m sure the tweets are screenshot somewhere online. Val tried to salvage I think at least a public partnership during the tour but Janel would have none of it and then that was that. She pulled out of her tour performances and has ignored DWTS ever since.
Basically I took it to mean that she wanted a relationship, probably thought he was interested after their season, and he turned it down. She fell for the showmance.
Do I know about this, Court?? I don’t remember hearing it. Of course, that means nothing. I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday. 🙂
Hasn’t it been confirmed that Kelly and Val were not a thing at all and it was strictly showmance? As for Janel, I know about her and Henry – but I could see a romp or two with Val as they tried to find that sexual tension he’s always saying that partnerships need (and I disagree with) and I definitely could see it going that way with Rumer and Val as well – even though Rumer & Janel were good friends.
Wasn’t there also some rumors about Nicole and Derek?
PH, R & V have definitely been discussed in the private member’s area because I knew about it. So you either knew and forgot or never partook in those conversations (also possible).
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Mind. Blown. I didn’t start regularly reading this blog until last season, so this is definitely new info (and quite a bit of it)for me. This membership is worth every damn penny, I can tell you that.
I remember a Howard Stern interview that Rumer and Val did during S20 where she was incredibly convincing about there being nothing going on with them. It’s possible that at the time, there wasn’t. The one-time thing makes a lot of sense given the public attitudes after the season wrapped. And Henry??? I didn’t think he had time to get down with anyone but himself. Janel’s definitely got a type.
@PH – Yes, I’ll text you the story to refresh your memory 😛
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The other thing I wanted to mention in support of Sharna is that right now they could totally be using their relationship for votes. As of yet, they haven’t done a thing to insinuate a showmance/romance. I have mad respect for that part.
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For votes? Could be. But then it would have to be out in the public. Not sure if it’s a hush hush deal or not. Lord knows I can’t endure another Maks and Meryl love fest. Yuck!
Duh!! I feel so stupid. For the longest time I was trying to piece together this info using the code “P” and “V”… and trying to put it into a sentence and each time the name Peta and Val just didn’t match up with you guys were talking about….. Now I GET IT!!. P and V stands for something totally different.
Hey, I’m old… 🙂
I am not sure about the etiquette but only spoilers should be prefaced with spacers, right?
I should have gotten private membership a long time ago, this is priceless, lol
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You only need a space at the top if you don’t want non-private members to see it in the sidebar where it shows recent comments. Although, I made a change which should exclude recent comment posts from the sidebar widget once the cache clears. I’m just not sure how to clear the cache 🙂
Glad you like the private members area. It’s a unique space!
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Who knew this would be a fun filled Wednesday?
DLT – thanks for the refresher. I actually dont do any social media, so I just hear tidbits here and there. I just knew it seemed weird with Janel.
So Im just wondering if anyone has ever done one of those 6 degrees of separation charts for Val and his partners. lol
If Im not mistaken, Kelly and Rumer used to be party buddies, Rumer and Janel were friends before whatever happened after s19, Rumer and Jenna were supposedly bff during the season. So anyone else want to chime in? Any other partners that he partnered up with?
Are there any other pros who have such a tangled web? I get the occasional hookup, dance chemistry leading to something else – but isn’t this just a bit much? Or is this just Vals normal lothario behavior showing up at work?
Sandy #68 – if you’re referencing my post, I may not have been clear that I know they AREN’T doing this for votes since they’ve kept it so private. How easy would it be to start insinuating showmance – but either out of concern for privacy, the desire to do things on their terms, or out of respect for others who feelings might be hurt (Antonio exgf??) they haven’t given the shippers any fodder. Sharna has always stuck to her guns in that regard, and I really appreciate it.
If you didn’t mean my post, then ignore all that lol.
Watch – now that I’ve raved about how they aren’t going the showmance route, Sharna will start blogging about how she’s jealous that Karina got to spend time with her man, or that Jessica blogger woman will start throwing out more and more chemistry talk, or we suddenly get “candid” pictures of them in flagrante delicto.
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😀 Solid rumors, too.
Lots of Ps and Vs here, for sure. 😉
Sarina — not sure how much you care, but just because I was curious, I did find some screenshots of the Val/Janel stuff on twitter:
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Don’t usually allow links in the comments, but in the interest of the ongoing discussions….
“In flagrante delicto”. God I love that phrase. It makes it sound so much classier than saying “caught with your pants around your ankles”. 😛
As for Sharna, the only thing more I have to add to the discussion is “good d will imprison you”. I think the only issue I have with the whole thing is that it’s hard to lay down the law with a man that is laying good pipe, which gets to be a problem when said pipe-layer only wants to rehearse 10 hours a day. Now Karina, having been there, done that, had the pipe from others and now no longer needs the pipe, may not be as easily swayed, and may tear Antonio the pipe layer a new one.
While we’re on the topic of sordid goings-on behind the scenes…this is one I sat on for quite awhile, but it’s been 5 years and all parties involved have moved on so I’d say we’re probably ok to talk about it…
…remember how Lacey & Mark used to be really good friends awhile back? And then suddenly, they kinda weren’t? Well, it’s apparently because Mark was bff with Lacey’s beau at the time, DJ Guthrie, and Lacey was cheating on DJ with Mike Catherwood. Kinda put Mark in an awkward situation, and I guess he was pissed at Lacey about it for a long time – part of me kinda wonders if that was part of the reason Mark was such a terror that season. Lacey & DJ have since broken up, and she’s been in a relationship with Frankie Moreno for awhile, and Mike is now married, and Mark has matured quite a bit…but that was one I had been sitting on awhile.
LOL! Hey wait a minute… The other day my hubs came home exhausted and I asked what he was doing today that made him so tired…. And he said, “I was laying pipe all day”… NO LIE!!
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Spill girl spill!
I can imagine that being really uncomfortable for Mark. At least everyone has moved on.
Will check out the links in a bit – thanks for the info. Ive heard of that website before – isn’t it the one that said Val was involved with Zendaya? Now Im scared to look!
I think the only pipe that will be in the room with Karina and Antonio is the one she will smack him upside the head with! That could actually be quite entertaining. Im not a fan of Karinas new “look”, but I do miss her sass and wit. Not to mention her dancing. Any scoop on how Peta/Karina interact? Yet another Chmerk triangle!!!
Where has this discussion gone? lol
Ahhhh, Lipstick Alley…my favorite haunt for Hiddleston & Cavill tea 😛
As for the whole Janel & Val thing – I actually don’t know for sure what caused the big blow-up, but I always just got the impression that Janel was someone who needed a LOT of undivided attention from men to be happy, and Val doesn’t always strike me as the most doting individual. The only other Janel tea I recall from that season was an encounter one of my sources had with her backstage after the show – source was with a friend who actually went to high school with Janel (and was actually friends with her) and wanted to say hi and tell her how proud she was of how Janel was doing on the show. Janel gave her the most lackadaisical, aloof “oh, yeah, hi” before running off (while the girl was mid-sentence) to basically tackle Brant (Daugherty, fellow PLL and former Peta partner who had been in the audience that night) with a big bear hug and flirt with him. Source that season described Janel like this: “That character she played on PLL? Yeah, that ain’t a character…that’s just her.”
I actually just felt bad for Rumer after her season ended – hell, I felt bad the minute they announced her as the winner, because it was as if Val dropped her like a hot potato as soon as he had his MBT. She was awkwardly standing there being interviewed by Tom and just kinda kept looking back over her shoulder at Val, who was reveling with his DWM crew and was like “Rumer who?” She struck me as a really nice girl who fell for a bad boy that was probably never going to be capable of returning her affections. Sad, really.
Sorry by the links! I’m done now though hahaha. Love a good BTS gossip session — thanks mods!
I’d say the links are relevant to the discussion 🙂
In all the years of DWTS, Janel was my least-favorite celeb, surpassed only by Hope Solo and Jaleel White. I’ve never watched PLL so I didn’t have any preconceived notions or character-basis for it, just a visceral, negative reaction to her immediately. Totally believe that she’s a mean girl.
I knew about Lacey and Mike Catherwood and that she had a boyfriend at the time – but NOT the part about Mark and she having a falling out over it. In retrospect, it totally makes sense.
I also never knew about the Karina & Apolo rumors. Lucky lady.
@Fig – Yeah, DJ was like Mark 2.0 – they had a very similar style, similar haircut, similar choreography style, etc. Basically bosom buddies. But I’m not sure he & Mark are still close – I wanna say that DJ actually followed Lacey to Vegas when she got the gig choreographing Frankie’s first residency (post-DWTS), and then I think she ended up leaving him for Frankie. Yikes. Now I think he lives in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area and does stuff with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.
As for Apolo & Karina – that was a bit more of a sordid tale. Apparently they landed the deal sometime around the beginning of All-Stars, and then source said that Karina got clingy and Apolo cooled off quite a bit and things between them got mad awkward. I think you even saw tidbits of it in one of their confessionals – her being kinda passive aggressive and hinting at something and Apolo just trying to ignore it. Was just weird to watch if you didn’t know what was going on, but if you knew they had knocked boots – you could totally tell it was a lover’s quarrel. Might have been during guilty pleasures week, when he was wearing that tacky silk shirt & white pants.
I’ve been truly lurking lately… Loving this little conversation though! 😉
Thanks for providing some much desired stress relief today!
Loving all the juicy tidbits being posted today! You guys are all awesome.
I never cared about the Janel/Val “romance” on the show. She always seemed somewhat fake to me on the show, so I just didn’t care about her storyline or them at all. I heard about their falling out on social media but didn’t care to follow it, so I thank you for those links DLT. It’s kind of hard to believe that two “adults” in the public eye would carry themselves that way on social media, but then again, with those two, I don’t know why that would surprise me at all.
Thanks for the flashback. I had forgotten about Apolo in that tacky shirt and white pants.
I have to be honest while I loved Apolo with Julianne and I sensed some tension between Apolo and Karina about midway through the competition. Both seemed stressed.
Thanks: 🙂 I love the new phrases that I have learned today “laying pipe” and “knocking boots”. I feel so hip right now.
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OMG – just went to the links. hilarious. Children. They actually posted that stuff online?!
You all have kept me entertained today – thanks so much! I needed a good laughing day.
Apolo – too funny. He is obviously incredibly talented – but he also came across as being a player.
Not surprising that Janel is a mean girl in real life. She has that look and demeanor. Maybe thats what the “lack of connection” was I picked up on btwn her and Val. Or maybe that was just the beginning of Val checking out on the show. IDK – but what a soap opera!!!
OMG. Not a good time to miss a private member area discussion! Come back to all these juicy tales.
I think we had definitely heard of Janel and Rumer each with Val, so none of it comes as a shock, but the details behind them are all wonderful. In all of it, it kind of makes me feel bad for Jenna. Seems like they’ve been a thing off and and on for a bit and the fact that she probably had to watch all of this go down is sad. I’ve never been a huge Jenna fan, but I certainly do feel for her.
I just want to thank whomever’s idea the Private Members area was. ?????
Now you guys have me racking my brain for tea from previous seasons 😛 I might have to read back through some old posts to see if it jogs my memory. Here are a few tidbits that I can recall off the top of my head…I’ve probably mentioned some of them before, so apologies for repeats:
*Derek was 2 hours late to team dance rehearsals in season 19 because he had been out partying with Nina Dobrev the night before (I think at a Halloween party), and arrived with a wicked hangover and smudged guyliner from the night before still on 😛
*Allegedly, Mark & Witney were “a thing” for one very hot minute awhile back. As in “over before it even really started”, and they only ever kissed.
*Another “over before it barely even began” couple? Tristan & Kym. I think there may have been one TMZ video of them leaving a club together hand in hand, but that’s it.
*Apparently Tommy was known to “supply” some of the pros from the show. I’m guessing one of them was Val, because I guess he made a point of telling off Carlos last season after Carlos’ anti-weed sob story. He apparently “didn’t appreciate” Carlos putting weed use in a negative light.
*Carlos farted on Alexa. A lot.
*The switch-week rehearsal video of Meryl & Val was an EXTREMELY kind edit – apparently he was a lot harder on her than what they showed.
*Maks was known to have a pretty volatile temper with crew members at times. Apparently he got pretty frustrated during a rehearsal with Meryl and started just kinda screaming at the cameraman and field producer, something to the tune of “You c*cksuckers, why are you even here right now???!!”
*Bristol was acting like a bit of a brat during all-stars, and after butting heads with Mark one day, she called her dad crying, and Todd made her put Mark on the phone and proceeded to yell at him about how he “needed to listen to Bristol better” for about 20 minutes. No idea how Mark managed to keep his cool after that.
Heidi, do you remember anything?
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The Mark and Witney one is the one that shocks me a bit. Not because of them actually being together but for Mark it must have been when he was with BC or they broke up for a bit. Obviously for Wit it was before Carson came back in the picture. Things do seem very tense for the two of them now.
Well, the links are proof positive that I really don’t give two shits about what Val does off the show. 😀 I never saw any of those before!! Very interesting. And really, Val, you have no business commenting on someone else’s “classy”ness. 😀
Wow! I run out to do a few errands and come back to all of this! There should have been a warning, so I could have poured myself a glass of wine while reading these. Then again, I probably would have wasted it by snorting and choking on it over some of these things! Hilarious! what amazes me is the stupid that they actually post on social media (looking at you Val); you are right P.H., he’s a fine one to talk about lack of class!
I’m so glad that I joined the private side…love getting the scoop on what really happens! Thanks mods!!!!
I remember the Witney/Mark rumors, but I think it was pre-BC.
I also remember the Tristan/Kym TMZ video VERY well – it was during a break with his now-wife. Who happens to look a LOT like Kym. Guess he has a type lol.
I did notice the heavy amount of tension between Apolo and Karina, but I just attributed it to stressful perfectionist/expectations. That does make sense though. I did like them together a lot and they were my favorite couple that season (along with Shawn and Derek). No, it wasn’t the easy chemistry of he and Julianne, but an all-grown-up Apolo.
I always thought Mark was a saint for putting up with the Palins so well lol.
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*Derek and Nicole was a brief thing – I think totally just for kicks, never serious (that I can remember)
*Yes, the Nina Dobrev related rehearsal delay with the guyliner was after a Halloween Party
*Many moons ago I heard from a reliable source that Derek almost got into a physical altercation with Warren Sapp (which was hinted at in one of the post show interviews, when someone straight up asked him) during the team dance rehearsal – something about Warren being really late and not caring and something happened that made Derek start after him. Can’t remember what. Corky was there and told him it wasn’t worth it and held him back. Derek was MUCH younger (in all ways) back then. 🙂 If you’ve read his book, you know he’s never been afraid of a fight.
*Derek and Cheryl during (I think) the first DWTS tour – or maybe it was the first tour After he joined the show. Can’t remember. The source for this one isn’t as strong. And it’s not like they were actually dating, more like a “friends with benefits” sort of thing.
*I think everyone remembers that Maks and Hope Solo actually had kind edits too, believe it or not.
I know there’s more but I’ll be damned if I can remember right at this moment. I never got confirmation, but I’m certain that Derek had a HUGE crush on Joanna Krupa – but ended up dating her sister for a very brief period (which IS true, for sure) before he went and choreographed for Cheryl Cole and that was the end of that.
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Nah, Kaitlyn, he’s known Witney FOREVER, so it’s not necessarily during BC era.
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I’m usually oblivious to this stuff. However, I did learn about Nina and Derek, and then in the next minute it was over. I’ve always wondered what happened for it to end so abruptly.
They dated a LOT longer than the media implied, suzy, because Derek was a master of the DL by the time he dated her. 🙂 It was several months.
My personal opinion was that she was rebounding from whatshisface her costar and when Derek realized it he cut her loose, despite telling Ryan or Billy Bush on freakin’ TV that he was “in love”. I don’t get the impression he lingers if he realizes it won’t work out. Of course I don’t know for sure and they are still good friends and spend time together (which is so admirable and mature!) cuz she’s also friends with Julianne.
After reading this I remember the Markney shippers and if you look on Instagram under #markney tags you can find a video of them being reaaaally affectionate backstage…
In the video he keeps touching her and gives her kisses on the forehead etc. It is so weird though because Mark used to teach Witney waaaaay before she was on the show, meaning she was a minor and he was her teacher and then later they had something ?
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Wow!! Thanks Court and PH for all the juicy tidbits!!! I’m so glad that I paid for this now. I had heard about a couple of them before, but most were news to me.
@PH, if you don’t mind my asking, since Derek is so good at the extreme DL, who has he dated without it really getting out? I know about Shannon, Cheryl Cole, Nina, and now Hayley.
As someone else mentioned, all this talk about Val and past partners just makes me think less of Jenna. I mean Val is an ass for stringing partners along, but JJ has been a witness to most of it since S18 and if she’s willing to go back to him after being used by him for choreography help whenever he needs it, then she has very little self worth. We’ve already discussed her desire to be a “star” and I think they are both using each other for something but just a sad story in a way.
Well, sonic, he had a fondness for Playboy Bunnies there for a bit, but I think “dating” is probably over stating it. Supposedly there was a short Lauren Conrad thing but I’m not sure I ever believed that one. I’m trying to think of who else…there were some interesting photos of him and Katherine Jenkins in Utah with his family. Photos that his father posted and then subsequently deleted.
Thing that Derek hasn’t figured out yet is that it always comes out eventually. He’s been dating Hayley since last summer and it just recently came out. He was never on the DL with Shannon…but after her he did all he could to keep his relationships secret. To a ridiculous degree.
Well hellloooooo everyone! I see business is “boomin” in here. 😀
Sorry, I just couldn’t resist.
Kaitlyn, I’m with ya! Unbelievable what we can miss in a day.
Glad to see Court and PH airing all the DWTS dirty linen. Not only is it mildly entertaining, but it also gives much needed perspective on Sharna’s current involvement. While I don’t think it’s a good idea; she’s not the first and won’t be the last. Since I’m guessing this is just a “thing”, I hope she’ll get what she needs out of this arrangement and all parties can move on once the season is over.
John, I can relate. There are a couple male pros I’d have a relationship with if I was dancing with them. Shallow waters, be damned, and at my age vs. theirs, I’d be dipping my toes in the kiddie pool.
Sandy, Love the story of your hubby coming home talking about “laying pipe all day” — that’s priceless! I’m glad our private members area is making you feel hip. I find it very educational too! 😛
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Thanks for answering my question, PH! It is amusing how his relationships eventually get brought to the surface, no matter how hard he tries to hide them.
Also, I went and did my first serious archive-dive into the Private Members Area after seeing the mention of Derek being showing up hungover and 2 hours late to Team Dance rehearsal in Season 19 (which was total news to me) and along the way I came upon part of the discussion of large “body parts” from early Season 20. Can I just say how much I love the Private Members Area? That was freaking hilarious!!
Hahaha Sonic – this isn’t called the “Private Members” area for nuttin!
I can’t recall specifics of the conversation that you mention, but I feel pretty confident that I contributed my fair share of naughty bits.
Thanks everyone for the entertainment. My favorite comment was John’s and his preference to wading in the shallow water.
And, Sandy sharing about her husband coming home from work and telling her he “was laying pipe all day.”
I’m not surprised that some of the Pros have had a fling with another Pro or a celeb. In this kind of career, I can see it happening and figured some venture out of the shallow water into the deeper places.
I haven’t picked up any vibes that there’s any “hanky panky” between Sharna & her partner; but even so, they are both adults and it’s their business. I just want to see more good dancing. Switch Up week will be awesome and I like all the switches.
OMG..Do I still need to waste space or did John really fix it?…………………………
wasting space JIC……………………………
Laying pipe?!?!! I just about spit my wine out onto my laptop! (Don’t judge..it’s my 8pm since I work night shift) heh that’s a good one!
…….Derek is a male…men have needs. Just like Antonio…and Courtney is right….it’s REALLY hard to be mad at someone when they lay good pipe! Tee-hee! I dated a guy like that once…he was REALLY good…hated to break up with him because he was THAT good but didn’t think it was fair to lead him on once I got what I needed from the relationship.
Women have needs, too. Nothing wrong with having fun and getting some much-needed plumbing done. A while back I had a pretty-rough breakup and after a few months, had a much-needed plumbing session with a guy that laid some great pipe.
I think there’s also been confirmation that Cheryl and Maks used to have a FWB-type thing they would act on occasionally. I remember there was video of them making out in Las Vegas.
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Showing my age but that phrase used to mean something completely different. Anyone else here remember that?
You girls are keeping me smiling today. Thanks for the oh-so-private area! :)))
BUY A MEMBERSHIP!!! WE TALK ABOUT NAUGHTY SH*T AND IT’S WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!! 😀 😀 😀
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Ahhhh yes…the infamous “celebs with big d*cks” conversation. Apparently word got out that we were having a ton of fun, because for awhile there, the search terms leading folks here include “puredwts big dicks” or “puredwts penises”. Then again, they could have just been calling us dicks, but whatevs 😛 I’m sure there are screen shots all over tumblr of some of the comments, and we probably got scolded by the hoards of uppity teenage Val fans that lurk there. Sometimes I wonder if they’d even have content to post about, if we didn’t exist 😛
Have been trying to think of more tea since yesterday – like I said, I may just have to start digging through old posts to jog my memory. Most of the BTS tea starts around season 13, if memory serves…
*Nothing terribly scandalous to report about season 13 (other than the fact that Hope & Maks really did hate each other’s guts, and it was tough for the editors to come up with packages for them week to week that weren’t total Debbie Downers) – I remember a source saying that Rob & Cheryl’s rehearsals were about exciting as watching paint dry for about the first half of the season; more often than not, both were either hungover from the night before or just not terribly motivated and just going through the motions. Something kinda shifted by mid-season, though, and I think they realized “Wait – we could actually be contenders!” and things got more exciting. I think it just took awhile for Rob to get more confident and realize he actually liked dancing, and it took awhile for Cheryl to realize that Rob actually had quite a bit of natural talent. I always look fondly back on his days on the show – it seemed like the last time he was happy before going into seclusion.
*On the topic of Cheryl – another source is convinced that Cheryl never did any of her own choreography. I guess she always just showed up to rehearsal with a routine completely choreographed, and she had been known to bring in Wendy Johnson to help with some routines. Could explain why Cheryl’s choreography always looked so consistent – it was probably the same ghost doing it all those years. I don’t particularly care, because I always thought Cheryl’s greatest asset as a pro was her skills as a teacher, rather than a choreographic genius.
*Already kinda touched on this, but Meryl took quite a metaphorical beating during season 18 – got yelled at quite a bit by both Maks & Val. I guess she was just zen enough to not take it terribly personally, and it was conveniently edited out of their packages – remember, season 18 was the year of the “kinder, gentler Maks”, the bad boy whose cold heart was softened by the delicate Meryl. GAG.
*Heard a rumor (from a source that hadn’t been vetted, so take it with a grain of salt) that Billy Dee having to withdraw from season 18 wasn’t entirely due to medical reasons – apparently somebody threw a fit about having to possibly partner him in the switch and they decided it was better to just let him withdraw for medical reasons than force someone to limp through switch week with him.
*I guess a bunch of the crew thought Danica was making a bigger deal out of her rib injury that season than it really was. Milking it for sympathy votes, I guess?
*I was told prior to the switch pairs being announced in season 18 that Peta had Cody as of early in the morning of the announcement – but by noon, she was on a plane to Florida to partner Charlie. Hmmmmm.
Will continue to rack my brain…
Wow, if that source is correct – and I realize they might not be – but if they are, what a load of crock to make Billy Dee withdraw. I had heard he withdrew at the recommendation of the producers, but I thought it was possibly because they didn’t want to lose a better dancer (ahem, maybe Danica?). Which I thought was a load – but at least I could empathize with that a bit, knowing that Billy Dee wouldn’t have much in him. But the thought that one of the female pros – which that season would have been Peta, Sharna, Witney, or Cheryl (Karina had already been eliminated) is just galling. It SEEMS like a Witney thing, but who knows? I actually hope it’s not true.
For the record I said a relationship. I didn’t say laying pipe.
I think with this group you have to be careful with your deep dives and your naughty bits. Some people might misconstrue what you’re saying.
Oh my…what a thread.
I changed the comment widget in the sidebar so now it only shows the name of the person commenting and the title of the post. So, you don’t have to leave space at the top. I’ll be interested to see if that change ruins the functionality of seeing the new comments in the sidebar.
I looks like the sidebar may be fixed? But I’m not sure so… What a beautiful day on the east coast. 🙂
“Deep dives” and “naughty bits”. My goodness, I’m learning alot. I may never be the same again.
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If anyone wants to turn the heat up, you might want to Google:
derek-hough-on-the-list-of-shirtless-dwts-hunks-of-us-weekly …..
to see his six-packs!!! I need a cold shower!!! What a specimen of pure muscle.
Now you’ve gone into the shower? This is getting steamy. Oh wait…you said a cold shower. Nevermind.
@Fig – FWIW, with the season 18 switch being the first time ever that they did the switch, I think everybody (pros, celebs, producers, etc.) were all kinda freaking out about the whole thing – so it sounded like it may have been a knee-jerk reaction from one of the pros. “Billy Dee can barely move – it’s not fair that one of us would have to partner him for switch week!!!” Billy Dee just seemed exhausted anyway, so I’m ultimately glad he withdrew, but it did kinda leave a bad taste in my mouth that a pro throwing a tantrum may have had something to do with his withdrawal. Now I don’t think they get so wound up about the switch – most seem to at least have an attitude of “just grin and bear it for a week, and then I can go back to my own partner!” I think the only pro who still gets visibly rankled by is Witney – I don’t think she ever recovered from the embarrassment of her season 19 switch dance with Mikey. Will be interesting to see how she is with Wanya.
Just got a small spoiler for this week: apparently Peta had already kinda been helping Doug a bit on Monday night, so they either already knew they were getting each other in the switch, or maybe with the rapport they already had, TPTB decided that they’d make a good switch pairing. I know nothing about the voting to determine if there was “funny business”. But apparently Peta kinda looks at Doug like a father figure, so they get along really well 🙂
@Court I’m really glad to hear that. I was pleased when I heard Doug got Peta for switch-up. I think she will work really well with him and it sounds like she already is. I’m hoping he can have a solid week (performance Monday). I definitely have a soft spot for him.
@Court: From what I can just observe, I would maybe say there’s not as much funny business with the switch up this season as there has been in the past. And I’m glad you mods did’t have to do that tweet tracking thing again this season because I think that would have been only half the story.
Voting took place on the main website, too and I don’t think it was a requirement that you had to tweet your picks in order for the vote to count.
That’s good news to hear about Doug and Peta. That’s one pair that I voted for that ended up happening, so I’m excited to see what Peta can bring out of Doug that maybe Karina can’t or couldn’t.
Thanks for the tidbits. Made for an interesting read this week in the Private section. That is quite some tea you have been sitting on. Haha!
LOL…John…things got steamy hot first from the view of pure muscle of the shirtless DWTS hunk. Cold shower was inevitable. 🙂
Since John has fixed the sidebar problem, I’m just going to jump in.
Bahaha!! I love that people were searching for Pure based on that conversation!
Is Cheryl the pro you were referring to who never did their own choreo in your post about outside choreographers? If that’s the case, does that include Drew’s Freestyle (which was nominated for an Emmy)? I understand the argument that the one who’s name is on the work is the one who gets praised for good choreo and gets flack when it isn’t, but I figured the Emmy Academy wouldn’t look to favourably on that.
That’s really sweet about Peta and Doug. 🙂
@John, an issue with the new sidebar is that it can cause other posts to get lost more easily. I often use the sidebar to see which posts have relatively new comments and to get to them if they’re not one of the 10 most recent posts (or pinned), but now the entire sidebar can be dominated by a single post (since the old sidebar limited individual posts to three comments before showing the next post with recent comments). I wonder if there’s a way to make the sidebar show the titles of the 5-10 posts with the most recent comments and the number of comments in them, but not actually show what the comments are, if that makes sense.
I just remembered something – a few seasons ago, Louis wrote in his blog about a pro that was praised for their choreography but they didn’t do it. What season was that again? Was Cheryl still around? I THINK it was season 20, so no that wouldn’t have been her. I think at the time I believed he was referring to Artem because he was one of the pros the judges complimented on their choreography that night for Patti.
@Tony – I’ll take your word for it, as I literally didn’t even lift a finger to look at how people were voting on Twitter – I have no barometer to gauge “funny business” this time lol. But FWIW, I actually am pretty happy with how the switch pairings turned out – I don’t feel like it was “Operation Make Sure Val Gets A Good Switch Partner So He Doesn’t Look Bad”, or “Operation Dumpster Fire” – where they seem to put the worst pro and worst celeb together and watch them completely meltdown. I feel like almost everyone got a pro that is going to help them grow – or at the very least, won’t hurt them. The only pairing that concerns me a bit is Kim & Keo, just because Kim is probably closer in skill level to Keo’s other partners than Jodie…will be interesting to see if he can take anything he’s learned from partnering Jodie and apply it to Kim. Would hate to see him regress back to Chaka or Charlotte Keo.
@sonic – Yeah, Cheryl was the pro I was referring to. I don’t know for sure, but I would say there’s a good chance she got help with that freestyle choreography.
@Fig – My best guess would be Witney – I vaguely recall her getting praised for her jive choreography for Chris, and I think we all know by now that her choreo ain’t always 100% hers. But at the time, it was still not well-known. And it actually occurred to me just know that out of all the pros, I probably know the least about Artem – and I think that’s intentional on his part. No idea whether he does his own choreo or uses a ghost. No idea what he’s got going on in his personal life. No idea who his friends (and enemies) on the show are. He’s kinda the mysterious lone wolf of the pros. Dude’s got a lot of walls up.
Just got another little bit of intel – this time about *dun dun DUN* Antonio & Karina. Apparently Antonio “loves Karina’s energy” and “seems eager to impress her”, so he seems to be working a bit harder than we’ve seen him working with Sharna. And as for Antonio being habitually late – apparently it doesn’t really bug Karina, “because I’m usually late, too!” Source seems curious to see if this bliss lasts – I guess they only started rehearsing late last night. But judging from that, I feel like we can safely deduce that maybe Antonio doesn’t feel as motivated to impress Sharna – which is probably the crux of why we aren’t seeing a better product out of him. Karina, on the other hand, is a hardass and not easily swayed – is Antonio’s big problem that he needs someone to really crack the whip?
I remember when Peta and Donald (one of my favs) danced their awesome country inspired freestyle and Cheryl fans were all up in arms over it. They acted like Cheryl owned all the rights to country music and any dances associated with it.
Cheryl did have a few shining moments in her pro career but her William Levy 101 Salsa season was probably her worst ever. She phoned it in with her choreography and relied strictly on the William’s chest and nothing else. I felt bad for him.
@Sandy – Those are the same folks that probably think that tango didn’t exist prior to Meryl & Maks’ in season 18, and that every tango that followed after has just been “copying” Meryl & Maks’. I just roll my eyes – if pros actually held copyrights on some of the routines they had done, then this show would have probably been cancelled a long time ago because they would have run out of ideas. All dances are gonna start to look alike after awhile – that can’t be helped. And FWIW, the idea for Donald’s freestyle was actually Karina’s – she suggested the song to Peta after their trio jive, and came up with the idea of Donald dressing like a cowboy.
The only thing I remember about William & Cheryl’s salsa was that Cheryl looked like a giant shower loofah.
I’m thinking that the thing to do with athletes, but particularly these footballers, is for the pro to absolutely set herself up as the coach. THAT they understand. While I was critical of Witney’s fine for lateness (and other unmentionables), it was absolutely the right thing to do. It told Von that she expected the same level of commitment as his other coach. I think Antonio probably senses (correctly) that he won’t be able to get over on Karina. As for Sharna, I think from his view he’s successfully gotten over on her, so her authority is greatly diminished. At this point I’m hoping that Sharna doesn’t devolve into histrionics.
Again, I am MIA for most of the day and miss all the good stuff!
What a hoot that people are searching those phrases!
Any idea how many people actually pay see the private stuff only to turn around and spread it or share it with others? Man some people have way too much time on their hands!
It will be interesting to see how Antonio performs this Monday. I honestly wasn’t impressed with the dance on Monday As someone, ( Court?) said., it was Antonio being Antonio! If Karina cracking the whip makes a difference and he actually has a good performance, good on her! I’m still no fan and I’d rather him go home than Doug, although that isn’t likely to happen. Glad to hear that Doug and Peta are getting along; I hope he has a good dance, especially if he goes home!
sonic,
Good idea. So, I reverted back to the old comment widget in the sidebar, but removed the comment excerpt and instead posted the time since the comment was posted. That should work better.
@Leigh – There are at least a few self-proclaimed Pure haters that PAY for a membership here, then screen shot almost everything that gets said, then run to other message boards/tumblr/Twitter/email/etc. and share what they’ve seen here, and complain about how mean, disrespectful, stupid, etc. we are, spend hours dissecting everything we say, and then encourage their friends to come and give us a hard time. To which I say “Go right ahead – you’re supporting my Sephora habit.” 😀
Once again, I revert back to my favorite Pinterest quote: If you don’t like me but still watch everything I do…bitch, you’re a fan. 😉
It seems that Antonio could have benefited from a “Barbie Drill Sergeant”. I wonder if after this week Sharna will try to establish herself as “The Coach” and be more authoritarian, or if she’s already lost that ground.
@Court – That’s interesting about Cheryl. The whole Emmy thing is the one area of the outside choreographer debate that I’m still a little uneasy about, unless the “ghost’s” contributions are quite small (like it seems they have been with any recent-ish nominees). I guess it’s not too big of a deal since that year it was considerably easier to get nominated than subsequent years because (for whatever reason) Nigel hadn’t started his campaigning yet and SYTYCD didn’t have any nominations.
@John – That’s a lot better. Thanks 🙂
Thanks Court, I figured there would be some psychos, (oops I mean fans, ? )that would be desperate enough to pay and then pass everything on! At least you are getting something out of it and A Sephora addiction is something I can relate to!
I have seen that Pinterest quote on your Twitter and I love it!
If that’s the case I wonder how long it will take before the news is out. Hopefully Antonio was single upon entering the competition. I would think Sharna would like things to stay somewhat professional. *Boom Boom*
Can I repeat my new phrases, “laying pipe”, “knocking boots”.. and also love “naughty bits” along with “deep dives”. I love the new me. 🙂
#Sandy — You go girl!!
Suzy (#131), I agree. As much as I complain about Witney’s self-absorption, lack of maturity, etc., I can give credit where it’s due. She realized she needed to establish herself right off the bat as the “Alpha” in their partnership. Lucky for her Von mentioned the late-fines that are common in the NFL because I don’t think she would have known how to establish herself as “coach”. It’s definitely working, though, and donating the fines to her charity makes it a positive thing.
Sonic (#135), Nope, I doubt Sharna can get control of the reins with Antonio, not after letting their relationship take a very different route. If she tries to exert her authority as “the coach” now, Antonio will either laugh and ignore her, or he’ll get angry. At this point, she better just keep doing what she’s doing and hope he’s the kind of guy who’ll do stuff for her because he wants to “keep his woman happy” *gag*
I think you guys are giving Witney too much credit and being unfair to Sharna. I’m pretty sure the main difference here is Von vs Antonio and their respective attitudes. Sharna has also been charging Antonio for being late – and has in fact been paid more than Witney has. So it’s not about the money/fining or whatever – Antonio just doesn’t seem to work as hard or have the same respect for his teacher as Von does.
I guess we’ll see how Antonio is with Karina. If it’s really mostly a function of who Antonio is then we should see similar behavior with Karina.
Buttercup, I have to respectfully disagree. While there are personality differences all around, I think the HUGE difference between the Witney/Von partnership and the Antonio/Sharna partnership is that Sharna is having sex with her student and Witney isn’t. It might have led to a stronger connection between them and a greater desire to win this season together but so far, that hasn’t been the direction Antonio/Sharna has gone. We’re only at the middle of the season and neither of these NFL players are in danger of going home so perhaps Antonio and Sharna will get it together yet and perform well in the ballroom yet.
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Who does everyone think are the next 3 to go? I know everyone gets a reprieve for switchup, but realistically, from an ability standpoint, whats everyones opinion?
Mine are Doug, Kim, Ginger. Probably in that order But I have to say – I wouldn’t be surprised to see Antonio or Von take that last spot. They could be the surprise elimination. I know its probably meant to be Ginger as the surprise, but since she (Val) haven’t impressed me at all, is it really a surprise if she’s gone?
I still have no clue where Ginger will end up. So far she has been more of a disappointment than I was expecting, but I think a lot of that has to do with Val’s choreography. They had a good week this week though so maybe this is a turnaround for them. I do want to point out that she hasn’t had to do any “intense” dances yet though which I don’t think will be very natural for her. She’s had all happy type dances…hard to imagine her doing an AT or Paso and really selling it. I also tend to think she’s not getting a huge amount of votes but the show will drag her run out as long as possible.
@Colleen – FWIW, I just think Antonio is not willing to put in the time to actually do well on the show, regardless of what may be happening between he & Sharna behind closed doors. Not sure that the latter really HELPS matters, but I’ve just gotten the impression that Antonio would still be “blessin’ up”, Snapchattin’ like it’s his job, and rocking bedazzled kicks the same way with any other partner. Obviously it hasn’t ceased with Karina, although it does seem to have slowed down a bit. A TINY bit.
Oh yes, I do see what you are talking about Courtney. But I do feel that “knocking boots” with her partner could have gone either way for Sharna. I cannot quite grasp how that came about based on what we’ve seen of their relationship and what you’ve heard. So there is a missing piece somewhere. I can’t see Sharna as so “desperate” for a man or just good d as to get involved with Antonio the blow hard slug that she’s working with now.
As to who is going home next, my heart breaks but I feel it’s definitely Doug and Kim in some order. But my crystal ball is cloudy beyond that.
*Will Keo and Jodie be able to get it together and perform great routines? I feel like they will need to in order to stay further this season. Will the switch up benefit their partnership or throw one or both off their game?
*Ginger should benefit from a week with Mark. I don’t think she’ll have a problem connecting with him. Rather, it’s Val that feels disconnected this season. But he’s at least hinted that his competitive streak has awoken. Will that be enough, along with favorable judging and ABC primping to keep them in Gin & Juice game?
*How much votes is Antonio getting from the fanatical Pittsburgh Steelers fans? Von/Witney have been dancing better but are they getting votes?
*We should also consider fans of the pros. Val has a fanatical fan base. Both Witney and Sharna have a lot of fans. I don’t think Keo has as many. What about Mark?
My fear of a surprise elimination is still all for Paige.
Buttercup, I am ALWAYS thrilled when you throw in your perspective because of your knowledge behind-the-scenes. It is interesting to know that the responsibility seems largely in the shoes of the celeb – they each have every opportunity to make this what they want, and Von is taking it much more seriously. Antonio is viewing this as offseason fun – which from a serious viewer of the show does seem like an insult, but I guess that’s debatable too. Maybe he works so hard for football that this seemed like fun and he wants to keep it that way. Or as others have noted – maybe the complication with Sharna does have a hand in why he’s viewing this as playtime and not SHOWTIME.
I think it hinges too much on scores, sarina. I would say Doug and Kim, but after that? No idea.
Colleen – we only see about 45 seconds out of an entire week. There’s LOTS of stuff you don’t see going on. That’s why it’s so easy to make someone who is probably easy going and a hard worker look like an idiot who’s lazy. They cherry pick the bits that fit their narrative.
Well Antonio brings nothing to the show but he has thoroughly entertained us at PURE.
Sarina,
My guess for the next three eliminations are Doug, Kim and Jodie. Sad because I think they’re “good people”. Unfortunately, TPTB consider them cannon fodder. They’ll be slipped into the least desirable slots in the running order and The Stooges will be given orders to lowball their scores so viewers forget about them when it’s time to vote.
I am a little confused about something that is niggling at me. I thought the judges saw nothing until the live show. However, I think it was Paige who mentions in her first interview after the premiere that the judges are present at dress rehearsal. This answered a lot of questions for me if it’s true and why would she not tell the truth. I just found it odd. She said it just casually.
She’s either mistaken or misspoke because the judges are not at dress rehearsal. In every snippet I’ve ever seen there are people sitting in for the judges, laughing along with Tom’s apparently more adult hosting of the dress rehearsal.
That’s what I always thought which is why it stood out to me. And by the way thanks mods for all the inside jaw dropping info. I learned some new phrases which still have me giggling.
Got a few updates on rehearsals from DT…
*Apparently Antonio’s rehearsals are about as exciting as watching paint dry – if they’re early in the morning (and “early” for Antonio is 10 AM), he’s 75% still asleep and barely says a word. The rest of the time, he’s also barely talking, and when he does, he mutters so badly he practically needs subtitles.
*Doug still having a tough time, unfortunately 🙁 Gets very frustrated with himself, and is always struggling to remember steps. Very much still stuck in his own head. His days are probably numbered 🙁
*Nyle & Sharna are working together really well – she learned a lot of signs so she can communicate with him 🙂
*Jodie…is fragile. Apparently Val is really super-fixated on drilling technique with her, and isn’t exactly bringing the fun to rehearsal…source said things seemed really tense & serious. Val also doesn’t tend to compliment her when she does something right – and while I would have written this off as him just being really fixated with Jodie, apparently Ginger told Mark that it was “nice to be complimented when I do something right, for once!” so I tend to think Val probably focuses a lot more on negative reinforcement than positive reinforcement with his partners. Jodie hasn’t cried – YET – but I guess she did twist her ankle, so we’ll see if that comes into play. Overall, source doesn’t think Val is really an improvement over Keo – and may actually be worse for Jodie, since Keo is at least a bit more gentle with her.
*Source says Kim & Keo’s dance is “pretty”, but their height difference is painfully obvious. But apparently Kim was overheard saying that she’s “pretty sure” she’s making the finals…I’ll give her props for confidence, but I think Nyle, Wanya, & Paige are gonna be pretty damn hard to beat, and if there’s a 4th slot, she may have to do battle with the propaganda surrounding Ginger & Antonio.
*Von is having a great time with Lindsay – not necessarily more than with Witney, but source thinks that Lindsay seems to try to “play along” with her partners more than Witney does, which could explain why she’s able to get them to cooperate a bit more than Witney is. Odell Beckham came to watch them rehearse, and Lindsay was making them show her their victory dances.
Didn’t Val have the same issues with Bindi last season? He won’t be requested for long, if he keeps that up.
Oh Kim….you are so not making the finals – and I’m a fan! Sorry girl – not happening. I would be very surprised.
Hmmmmnnnnnnnnn, I’m also a fan but SHOCKED at Kim’s self assessment. It doesn’t even seem like her from the bits we’ve seen this season on DWTS. I think Doug Flutie is really attractive as a man. Handsome, genuine, intelligent and caring. But he’s not a good dancer and he’s not really improving. I’d rather say goodbye to Doug next than Kim or Jodie. Actually, I’d like to boot Antonio and Sharna and then maybe Ginger and GMA but since that’s not going to happen…..
So far this season, Jodie has given me a bit of an “Alexa” vibe. Most of the time, there always seems to be a point in virtually every performance when Jodie (and Alexa too) seems to get a deer in the headlights look. It’s like all of a sudden she realizes where she is, what she’s doing, and how many people are watching and she “comes out” of the performance. Derek seems to focus more on positives and that is why Alexa (and even Nene) benefited from the switch up time with him. Too bad Jodie isn’t getting that kind of treatment and it will be interesting to see how it translates into dancing tomorrow.
I love Kim and Sasha’s partnership, but have a hard time believing she’ll get anywhere near the finals!mmaybe in a different season where there was less great competition, but between good dancers/performers (Wayna, Paige and Nyle) and pimping (Antonio and Ginger), I doubt she’ll even make it to semi finals!
Well Antonio himself is about as exciting as watching pain dry. Honestly, he has to be one my most disliked contestants ever to do the show. I have no idea what Sharna sees in him… Maybe he has a nice pair of boots.
The Steelers nation better not send Antonio to the winners circle with this type of work ethic and his off putting personality. Hopefully Antonio will be hanging up his dancing shoes sooner rather than later.
Just got another rather odd tidbit: apparently Val never taught Ginger about brushing the bottom of her shoes, so she’s been slippin’ & slidin’ around for weeks…and was pleasantly astonished when Mark told her “Yeah, you’re supposed to brush those on a regular basis, so you don’t slip!”
So switch week has taught us that perhaps Val ain’t super conscientious when it comes to his partners…
Weird that Val wouldn’t teach her that. I would think a lesson on “how not to slip” would be a standard part of being a dance teacher (at any level, but especially with beginners).
Curious to see if and when the producers will start showing Antonio in a much more unfavorable light. I can’t imagine the viewers are buying into what he is selling.
Oooh, love it when Court drops by with behind-the-scenes goodies from DT. Thanks, Court!
*Awww, I’m sorry to read that about Doug. I think it’s time for viewers to let him go. He’s just getting frustrated now and it would be a shame to lose Jodie or Kim instead.
*As for Jodie, poor girl. Val doesn’t know the meaning of the word “fun”. Not surprised he’s still using the C-bro technique of criticizing everything and praising nothing. Those boys are completely hard-wired; unable to learn or incorporate anything new into their regime. No wonder they can’t win DWTS without an all-out pimp effort from TPTB.
* Val not telling Ginger about something as basic as roughing up the bottom of her shoes is just sloppy. Goes to show all Val’s really focused on is himself (what a loser). *waving at all the C-bro stans who are lurking*
* Kim is a sweetheart but how can she look at Wanya, Paige, and Nyle and think she’s doing well enough to make the finals?
* Not surprised Von is having a blast with Lindsay. For me it goes back to Witney being more interested in herself and Lindsay being more interested in her partner. In my opinion, the truly successful pros are those who adapt to their celeb rather than trying to force their celeb to adapt to them!
I apologize if this was already addressed elsewhere on the site, but is Britt in and Jenna out?
Emma stated in her blog that Britt was back, but I couldn’t tell if that meant for the rest of the season or just Disney week. And Jenna has ghosted… Anyone know what’s up?
@Whitney- I don’t think Britt is permanaent troupe. It seems that she’s just stepping in a bit. Jenna was doing SYTYCD all star things for the past week but she seems to be back today. With 2 more male pros than females, they probably just need females for partnering or help in dance once in a while. Jenna and Hayley probably can’t change as fast as needed. I think it’s silly to have the pros not be even (by having 4 male and 2 female in troupe), but what do I know…
In terms of Jenna ghosting, I think she helps Val with choreo or at least being his partner while he choreographs. I know he mentioned her helping (with Alan) on their contemporary, but I’m sure she provides input on other dances as well.
@Kaitlyn Thanks!
Yeah it looks like Brittany will be around this week and I guess Jenna is back (per her IG). So I’m still not understanding why they let Brittany go in the first place… Was it to pay all the new guys that I can’t tell apart?!
Mods – just heard two tidbits and wondered if you have any input.
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1) Cheryl says Ian was her worst partner and she begged to be eliminated. Any scoop on this, and have there been other pros who begged to be eliminated?
2) Gossip rag saying Val and Peta had a blow up over Nyle. Supposedly Peta getting too close to him. I think this is just trash, but any idea if there is any tension there?
As always – thanks for everything you guys do. And I dont know which I am looking forward to more – tonights show or this weeks edition of Wild Wednesday in the member area!
There is a whole post on Cheryl, Sarina.
I never believe gossip rags. Seems I have heard this rumor somewhere. Wouldn’t surprise me, since Val is such a douche.
Plus Maks is in a good number of their rehearsals, so if there was something it’d have to be under his nose. Impossible – no, but unlikely.
As it is, I’d take it for strictly rag-mag gossip without substance until other sources offer substantiation.
I was thinking last night about the tidbit that Jodie is fragile, and wondered if she’s fragile in general, or if it’s especially after messing up last week. Do you have any sense of that, Court?
As I think I said ad nauseaum on Twitter already – NO TRUTH WHATSOEVER TO THE “EVERYONE HATES NYLE, PETA AND VAL HAD A BLOW-UP!!!” rumor. I’ve been told that Nyle is like the Bindi of season 22 – universally loved by just about everyone. And none of my multiple sources have seen or heard anything about Peta & Val mincing words about him – again, Maks has been pretty omnipresent in Nyle & Peta’s rehearsals, so if there was anything untoward going on (hint: there isn’t), pretty sure he would have addressed that already, instead of sending little bro to yell at his future sister-in-law. But that’s the funny thing: the best lies are rooted in truth, and given Val’s volatile temper and tendency towards drama, I actually gotta applaud Radar Online for crafting a story that seemed at least a little bit plausible. Had they changed the story and said that, say, SASHA was screaming at Peta about Nyle, then it wouldn’t quite be so believable, would it? Or Mark? Or Sharna? Moral of the story: if you act like an ass on your own volition, people are probably going to be more likely to believe fictional accounts of you acting like an ass.
As for Cheryl – that’s already been covered at-length in this post. I suggest you go there to discuss it, sarina.
I would guess just fragile in general, sonic. I think that’s pretty apparent from her rehearsal packages so far this season.
My apologies – somehow I didnt see that Cheryl post while I was catching up this morning.
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And sorry Courtney – but I dont do twitter or other social media, but I totally agree with your point about it being believable – because its Val. Thats what caught my interest. I wouldn’t have believed it about pretty much anyone else, but Val – well lets just say Ive learned not to be surprised by any outbursts.
Im sure it was just coincidence – but did anyone see that Val posted a picture of Janel in the last few days? After www just had that convo about her and that she is completely out of the dwts picture. I wonder if he’s been lurking – – lol
@Court – Fair enough. I was kinda wondering if she would have been able to cope with Val this week if last week had gone differently. It seems like she might have really benefitted from having a “Derek” this week (someone who would help build her back up after her confidence got knocked last week).
Poor Maks-ie. It’s a good thing Nyle is this season’s Bindi because it would drive me insane to have Maks underfoot all the damn time. I’d have tossed good ol’ “sex-on-a-stick” out the door weeks ago. That said, wasn’t Maks “banned” from the rehearsal studios this week because he’s gonna be a big-a$$ guest judge tonight? I wonder what he did to keep himself occupied all day? Hope he used some of his endless spare time to get a haircut and a shave.
On the one hand, I totally don’t mind that Maks is there helping Peta. Nyle can’t hear the music, nor communicate easily with Peta, so why not give him a leg up, since he’s substantially handicapped when it comes to dancing. (I prefer differently-abled, but I’m speaking generally here)
On the other hand, I can only imagine the outrage, durm and strang, the rending of garments if someone else did the same thing…and that’s just Maks and Val!! Their fans would be a thousand times worse! Can you imagine if Julianne was in there dancing with Derek every day so that Amy (remember, the girl with no feet and no dance experience) could see how she was supposed to move?? Good lord, the bitching would be non-stop. So, as usual with the C-bros, it’s the hypocrisy that’s a killer.
@sonic – One source seems to think that Jodie would have been better off with someone more like Mark, Derek, Sasha, or Tony – just more of a positive, patient partner that is able to work with her strengths and help her build up her confidence. Keo is ok, but just doesn’t seem to have the skill set to really be there for Jodie emotionally – and Val is just an icy taskmaster. I don’t think her off-week last week really HELPED her this week, but I don’t know that the outcome this week would have been any different if she had knocked her dance out of the park last week – it’s an issue with her confidence and getting paired with two guys who just don’t really know how to boost it.
Thanks Court! That makes a lot of sense. 🙂
Story time, kids – I will call this one “A Tale of Two NFL Players”.
Not sure if I shared this already or not, but Witney isn’t the only one that has been charging her partner for being late to rehearsal – Sharna has been charging Antonio as well, but TPTB have just opted not to include that in his packages. Apparently he’s paid her over $3K in fines, which he refers to as “women’s support” – because apparently “women need gifts”. Nevermind that he’s been known to be up to 2 hours late to rehearsal (because he “has a lot of responsibilities”, you see); those fines are basically just giving the ladies in his life gifts to keep them calm. He also thinks he is “starting to stand out from the pack” and “build momentum” on the show.
Meanwhile, Von ran into Emmitt Smith the other day, and Von told him how “inspired” he was by Emmitt’s time on the show, and how easily dancing came to him. Emmitt told him that it actually didn’t come easily to him, and that he really had to put in a lot of hours to get good – apparently Von said “I put in a lot of hours just so I can be average, but knowing that you struggled as well makes me want to step up my game even more!” Source said that when Von isn’t rehearsing, he’s watching tapes of his rehearsals, or watching videos of pros on YouTube dancing whatever style he’s doing that week. Aside from the occasional promo appearance, DWTS is his life right now.
So when you see Von & Antonio on their phones, know this: Von is most likely watching tapes of dancing…and Antonio is probably on Snapchat.
So here’s the question I pose: why the hell is Antonio getting painted as the golden boy, and Von as the slacker/goofball? And is this the week we FINALLY see that change?
Well, although I guess it’s not supposed to reflect on their actual character, the Disney characters they portrayed/embodied could be seen as offering clues: Prince Charming and a Genie Pimp. That seems to offer an appropriate differential, yes?
Simple. Sharna needs a trophy. Witney already has one. Period, end of story.
Didn’t you know? EVERYONE gets a trophy!! Just like Pee Wee baseball.
Never mind the fact that if everyone gets one then they’re not so special any more. Wonder what’s going to happen when SYTYCD gets cancelled. Are these pros going to start complaining about not getting their Emmy too??
God, I wish that Steeler Nation would wake up to what a douche he is and he’d get booted off soon! The one thing I keep thinking is that in the seasons where an NFL player won, they built on their fan base through being likeable as well as being good dancers from week one! I’m hoping the average viewer is like me and picks their favorite within the first couple weeks and hopefully that will mean that Antonio isn’t picking up any steam at this point. I really wish Von would outlast him, bet that would be a slap in the face to him (not to mention TPTB). If he outlasts one of the really good dancers, I’m going to have to pick up my voting as I have not been power voting with no Derek ? to try and ensure he doesn’t win!
Just reading this thread, I’d see Antonio as a jerk too. However, watching just the show (which is most people who just watch the show and don’t watch social media, blogs, forums, etc), Antonio has shown improvement and is a lot of fun. So, I won’t be surprised if he does better than this thread describes.
I love Sharna, but, I only want her to get a mirror ball if she deserves it. That goes for all of them. If I had to choose which football player is my fave right now, it would be Von all the way. I hope Von keeps working hard and keeps improving and goes to the finals.
I expect Antonio is doing better than what this thread would indicate, but I’m hoping there are enough really good competitors with great personalities and or back stories, that he won’t make it all the way to the end!
I with you Vogue, I don’t mind Sharna winning, but if it is an “earned” win, not a pimped one! I much prefer Von, even just in the packages that TPTB put together. I saw a lot of people really loving Von’s Cinderella dance last week, but I really didn’t see much about Antonios Aladdin theme one. Maybe that means something, but then again I ‘any be giving too much credit to viewers…LOL”
I think a number of stories could take some stars other than Antonio to the final. However, I think Antonio will likely make it far as well. He’s shown a great improvement arc over the past few weeks and the viewers love to see that improvement. Although, they also like humility, so Von will earn lots of fans for that as well.
Well, sure you can do better, if the producers and judges are stacking it in your favor. People ARE sheep a lot of the time. They believe the Bachelor is real.
Well, of course he will go far John. Simple math says that there’s no elimination until week 6, which will be either Doug or maybe Kim. The following week will be whichever one is left or a shocker like Paige who came in with few fans, relatively speaking. That takes our football guys to at least week 8, which is pretty far. Far enough, IMO, for Antonio.
As I stated before, I have loved Antonio Brown as a WR in the NFL Steeler’s team ever since he started playing with them, and I am a 60 years lover of the Steelers. The Business is Boomin is his campaign to raise money for the Children’s Hospital in Pittsburgh. I have searched on Antonio’s Facebook, Twitter and other sites; and what I see and read is good things. Many love him for the good person they know of him.
While, being on DWTS he is pictured as a lazy, not fully invested, self-conceded, not respectful, glory-seeker. These are my words, from what I have read and I don’t totally disagree to some point; but it pains me to see all the negative and non-positive remarks about this man. I feel that any one Steeler nation person would not feel like posting anything due to all the negativity. A big fan base has always been a factor in celebs making it to the finals along with good dancing. While Antonio seems to be the main subject of this fan base matter, I tend to feel that Ginger, Wanya, Von, Nyle could be getting a BIG dose of voters, and obviously, Doug since he has lasted so far going on his 5th week.
Like John said concerning Antonio, “He’s shown a great improvement arc over the past few weeks and the viewers love to see that improvement.”
I also agree with John, “Although, they also like humility, so Von will earn lots of fans for that as well.”
One issue I get confused about is:
On the judges scoring, because I always thought they judged each Celeb (couple) on their own individual improvement each week, especially those with absolutely no dance experience. And, those that show a natural talent (like Bindi) on a different level, and then trained in dance celebs on a level. When did they start judging the celebs by comparing them each week with others on who danced the best dance. While I realized this is an “Entertainment Reality” TV show, there has to be SOME sort of fairness, I would think.