Dancing with the Stars Season 22, THE FINALE NIGHT TWO – Live Blog!! (Spoilers)
I’m back, I’ve watched the show… And what in the hell was Val thinking? It started out OK and then it turned into a bad parody of Derek’s fox trot with Nicole that happened in like week three or four combined with the dumbed down version of his Singin’ in the Rain with Bethany. Good lord. What happened to the good old days when bad freestyles actually got like 8s?? Cuz that was bad…and everyone was pretending it was great. How annoying can you get?
As it turns out…pretty annoying. 🙂
Opening number was quite craptastic. So sloppy and so typical Mandy Moore. Time for a change there DWTS.
Did love seeing Tom do the Robot. 🙂
After a bunch of filler, Paige and Mark redo their UFC Paso – and it’s still cool.
Heh. Kenny Mayne and his “bad” interviews. Nice party downstairs complete with flip-flops. 🙂
Forgot to mention…Bindi rooting for Paige. Girl is media savvy. She roots for Ginger when talking to GMA. 🙂
Julianne Hough in the front row with Nastia and a little girl. Hmmmmm
Who’s this girl band? And why is one of them wearing a crown?
Oh. Fifth Harmony? My question remains.
Oh look, another all female bump and grind with a tiny bit of dancing throw in…and now a housewife stereotype’s been added. Fantastic. :::rolls eyes:::
Ginger’s AT looks pretty damn good when compared to the crap she danced last night.
I’m officially bored. I think Derek sent Julianne to sit in the audience to remind us all of what we’re missing without actually having to go to the show himself. 😀
Oh look, Maks and Val’s tour is going to have dances with a whole lot of non dancing just like all their numbers on DWTS.
OMG…that actually sucked. Contrast that to Jules and Derek last spring which they won an Emmy for. I don’t recall Derek and Jules actually speaking about it.
BTW, it’s the ONLY dance show this summer. The arrogance is mind boggling. I’m actually shocked. P.S. Maks, don’t try to imitate Derek again. Blowing that jump at the end was just bad.
Okay, not bored anymore…that bit with Von, Witney and Lindsay was just freakin’ hilarious. tom’s right, they are good sports.
Now they have men doing bump and grind numbers….but it was a damn sight better than the women, possibly due to Von and Antonio coming in at the end. That’s a funny friendship. 🙂
Ugh. Pittbull. Just another DWTS finale.
LOL to Doug and Geraldo in man buns and Hooray for Mischa!!
Okay, I really liked the “Summer Thing” dance! Was that a Mandy number?
Okay, time for the rest of the competition. Ginger and Val up first with their fusion.
Ginger was doing really well, although it’s pretty basic…and then she missed a hand pass, but played it off rather well. We’ll see if it gets called.
And she does get called on it by Len. And Bruno. What’s with CAI?? Too much spray tan?
And she gets a 27 out of 30. She’s not winning – if she was they would have overlooked the mistake. Or…she won by a lot and that 27 won’t matter. 🙂 I suspect both Nyle and Paige get the same score (as each other, not Ginger) so the outcome isn’t changed.
Here we go with Nyle and Peta. Cha Cha/Tango fusion
Oh Peta… :::sniff:::
Good job from Nyle and Peta!! Still a few posture issues, and a bit of sloppiness in a couple spots – but well done. Tougher choreo. Peta has done a good job with Nyle.
Mark and Paige doing a Salsa/Jive Fusion…
And absolutely killed it. Plenty of hips, plenty of sass.
They way the judges were talking I was getting the feeling that Paige had it, until Len made the comment about “if it was judged only on dancing” – that made me think Nyle.
Still no idea. Third Place coming up.
THIRD PLACE: Ginger and Val
AND THE WINNER IS: Nyle and Peta!
Congrats to Nyle, Peta and Mark and Paige.
LOL Heidi! You said it! One of the worst Freestyles ever.
I think the post of worst freestyles ever that was made quite a few years ago needs an update!
Hey, kudos to Val, he finally won something without massive pimping from TPTB. Hey, Valentin! Here’s your $5 trophy for “Worst Freestyle Ever”. It’ll look great next to the $15 one TPTB pimped you to. Enjoy!
From what I have seen of Val’s choreography these last two season, I think he needs to take some serious dance/choreography classes before the next season. I think he can do better than what he is giving his partners and his audience.
I said on another post that for me that freestyle may actually take the title from Marie Osmond as the worst ever! I think the real Fred and Ginger are demanding a recount of last weeks votes; they think Wayna should have been there too!
LOL! PH Right on!!
LOL! Cidra!
LOL! Gibroni! I have my barf bag in my waste basket allready, in case. 🙂
I could watch that opening a million times and still smile. Just so much fun and energy. Even tom and Erin got in the action :). Only complaint I had was the fact their wasn’t enough wanya in that for me.
Spot on as usual Heidi. I’m a huge fan of musical theater and dance and while the concept was good the dance didn’t come close to capturing the magic that was Fred and Ginger. Nowhere near a perfect dance.
Quickly before I forget many thanks for all you Vogue and Courtney do to make this show even more enjoyable for all of us. So glad I joined.
Looking forward to seeing everyone back. Happy Birthday to Mark Fingers crossed that Paige or Nyle take it
What in God’s name is Erin wearing? YUCK
Seeing Nyle in the beginning of the opening number…. where have those moves been this whole time??? Man, my main gripe with Nyle & Peta’s journey was that they didn’t put enough emphasis on the actual dancing. Just now in the opening number he was as loose and as carefree as ever, just enjoying dancing… it was nice to see and wish I could’ve seen that more throughout the season
I loved that opening and seeing all the couples again. They all looked great and liked that the hosts got in on it, also. Did I see the judges… Hmmm?
The opening was kind of a confused mess. Except for Wanya and Lindsay – they were fantastic! One of the worst openings I’ve seen on dwts.
I was just sitting here thinking how I really hope Mark wins. He is such a creative genius and seeing him tear up last night just shows how much he puts into this show and his partners. I also was thinking that without Derek this season, it made it even more apparent that those two are in league of their own. Final thought, how lucky was Shawn Johnson to have them both as partners?!
Love Kim and Sasha! They are just so fun together. Also, where can we start the petition to get fleur to compete next season. Didn’t expect her to dance to be honest but she can dance!
Terrible opening number. Is Mandy Moore the ONLY choreographer available in Hollywood? Seriously.
Kenny 🙂 . Even though he isn’t much of a dancer, he stil is one of my favs lol. Seeing all the footballers at one time was cool. And Paige and Mark….love that routine. Definately a great choice to reprise in the finale.
Also in the WTF section tonight, is it really necessary we see Erin’s underpants? Especially odd wardrobing choice considering her past and recent troubles.
Erin and outtakes go together perfectly lol. That keo one had me dying. And can it get any better than enmitt, Shawn, and bindi together at one time…three of my all time favs ever. Wasn’t feeling fifth harmony this time around to be honest. The second one on the right killed that though.
Hit submit too early: I’m a bit shocked they didn’t sing the work from home song. The in reason I know who they are is because of my sister who was screaming “slay queens slay” with her friend on FaceTime in the other room and saw them when they were at the today show lol. Agreed on the crown though lol
Yikes at that Fithh Harmony performance. Either those girls need to be on DWTS to learn to dance or they need learn to like each other.
I’m so tired but the show isn’t even half over. i hate this moving the show back an hour when it’s 90% filler.
@ Emily
I totally agree with you about Mark & Derek. They are in a league of their own. Mark made his entire season all about Paige and foci used on making her shine just like Derek always does with his celeb partner)
Thanks to everyone here and the mods on this site!! I’m hoping for a Paige win!!
I can’t wait for Val to get off my tv. He is such a crappy choreo and teacher. I feel sorry for anyone who gets him. He is not even good looking nor has a good body. Give me Shannon the new troupe guy instead of Val any day!!
Can’t wait for Wanya and Lindsey!! And for Paige and Mark!
I bet Val wished that was their freestlye lol. Naturally the next performance had to be Antonio but he wasn’t too annoying this time so yay I guess. I feel bad for keo….had a feeling we would see that clip again but hoped they would exclude it. I’m sure he loved reliving that moment.
Was allison the one with pitbull in the opening?
Guys why does hayley always have the same hairstyle when her hair is down? Its always half up half down im confused.
Who are the new random girls and guys?
I wish emma was on the dance floor instead of in the audience.
So much panning of the audience at least i saw a few cute guys. It was nice to see nastia!
I miss derek.
I will never get over the hair makeup and costumes on this show. Its seriously a dream!!!
Loving the dances so far very fun and high energy final
This show seems messy, disorganized, and under-rehearsed to me. Can’t say I’m enjoying it, though I usually look forward to seeing the return of the celebrities. And unlike most of you, I like Val and Ginger (though I’m rooting for Paige and Mark tonight and think Wanya should be in the finale instead of Ginger) and think they’ve been a good pairing. But my impression the first time they did this paso is the same now: in these circumstances, it’s a bit of a cheat to dress in all black and stage the dance in such low light that you can barely see what they are doing.
Ok so I have an answer to your question: who is fifth harmony? I asked my sister who finally lost all her energy and could sit down lol. They were contestants on the X factor USA (which i totally forgot about) and got put together as a group after being eliminated as individual performers. They got pretty far and are managed by Simon cowell apparantly. Oh and one did a song with the guy that sings “stitches”.
Fifth Harmony sounded horrible and their performance was so tacky. Val looked so corny dancing in the tour preview like calm tf down.
Keo has nice footwork lol.
Val and Maks look so handsome. But I didnt like the song and style of dance. More latin please! I love vals eyes tonight. Loving happy mark!
Lol vin at your sister!
Wasn’t feeling that maks and Val number as much as I wanted. It was good though. Luckily it was followed by Jodie and Keo’s killer jive. That dance is just so much fun! I would watch that game show…abc should totally try that idea.
I was so not impressed with that all female pro dance – really? Were they trying to set woman back a 100 years or was that some kind of male porn fantasy? Let’s have all the women doing housework and then have them strip off their skirts/aprons down to the equivalent of corsets and then just bump and grind. Glad my kids are mostly all grown up and not watching this schlock.
@jeny: The house was so quiet besides the tv and suddenly we hear her yelling that lol. I could only imagine what she did at the today show….on second thought I don’t want to know lol.
Why does DWTS like to make fun of their female dancers and make them look dumb? I recall that they did something similar to Chelsie during Romeo’s season.
Can they throw out a few more female stereotypes? We got housewives dumb blondes and pole dancers GEESH!
Love the blog tonight — y’all are doing great! I’m really enjoying everyone’s running commentary. I’m ironing rather than watching live (and since I loathe ironing, that should tell you something).
Reading this will give me a great outline of what to watch and what to skip past when I get around to my recording.
Heart, I agree; from what little I’ve seen of that Shannon guy, I’d happily give him a pro spot over Val; he’s a darn sight better looking and can’t be any worse as a teacher/choreographer.
Wasn’t feeling Dan and shay. Nice song but they are very boring. Luckily artem and witney had that routine to liven that up. Wanya is amazing. That pairing never gets old. Only complaint I had with the recap video this time is that I could have lived without seeing the bandada trip up and team Len dance.
to the Bindi comment saying she can work the media, when she was interviewed with Maks earlier about who she wants to win, she said Nyle. The girl really gets it 😉
Maks + Val = snoozefest. They just want to be Julianne and Derek.
I will go to the grave saying that Wanya and Lindsay should have been in the finale over Ginger and Val. Also, Wanya’s dance tonight is 10x more entertaining than Ginger’s freestyle.
I’m finding myself bored with the show and reading more than watching. But I did watch Wanya and thought again how much he deserved to be in the finals. No one can convince me that Ginger is better than him.
I actually enjoyed Maks and Val’s dance. and Wanya’s Charleston just made me sad that he wasn’t in the final. Next season I genuinely hope Artem gets a good partner because I really like him and I think he has a lot to offer.
One other thing this season proved, Lindsay needs to remain a pro. From Alek to Wanya, two completely different men, yet she did an amazing job with both. Shows she can bring out the best in partners and adapt to who she is working with.
Loved Wanya and Lindsay. He’s so entertaining. I’d have had a really hard time choosing between him and Paige for the win. (I admire what Nyle has done this season, but the fact that they never cleaned up his frame really began to bug me by the end.)
Can someone tell me if Kiril is still in the troupe? I haven’t been able to pick him out for weeks, and I didn’t catch him in the male pros dance just now.
Equal time for the men Rip those shirts off I guess we need our ab fix. Or a cold shower or maybe a drink to help us put up wit this nonsense.
@Miriam: Maybe they let the C brothers produce and direct?
Awww, I’m definitely going to watch Wanya and Lindsay — another one on the list of great celebs who would have been in the finals if TPTB hadn’t thrown them under the bus to save the all-important pimpees.
Hey Rob Wade, Lindsay is as close as you’ll ever get to Julianne (and even comparing her to Julianne isn’t fair becaue Lindsay is her own person not some mindless clone). In any case, just do the right thing, for once in your worthless existence, and keep her in the pro lineup!
Pittbull….ugh. Loved the group dance though. The return of the lobster 🙂 . Also Geraldo….gotta appreciate his results at the gym. Never expected that.
Cute beach number with most of the cast and featuring Sasha the crab!!
Just a suggestion, but every season can you guys make a MVP (most valuable pro) I would love to see your opinions on which pros nailed it, and which pros underwhelmed.
@Cidra I was just thinking the same thing. The show’s tried many a contender to try and fill the Julianne gap, and no one’s been able to do so. It looked like it might be Witney, but I think a few of her weaknesses are starting to show.
If Lindsay is somehow bumped out of being a pro, it’ll be a travesty. It’s becoming clear that outside help or not, she has great choreo concepts and more importantly has learned how to teach a celeb to dance, probably because she’s always been good technically.
Actually, if you go back and watch Witney and Lindsay’s auditions for SYTYCD, you can see that back then Lindsay was the stronger technical dancer. It’s still true.
Val was wearing a t shirt with his face on it…..and all I kept doing was laugh. Anyways the dance was good. I’d give it a 8. Only thing I will remember is the t shirt thing lol.
Haha Ginger and Val’s recycled fusion was better than their freestyle. Scores fair.
MVP (Most Valuable Pro):
Female: Linds
Male: Mark
As much as Val can rub people the wrong way, I have to say Ginger seems like an amazing woman. I don’t think she should have been in the finals over Wanya. However, I feel like she really embraced the experience and is just a positive light. I am hoping she shed some of that on Val.
Why do they keep bringing Maks back every season?? I’m tired of him… Derek decided to be out of this season and you don’t think see him popping in everywhere giving opinions, he likes to stay out of the way… But it’s impossible to compare the two…
It’s a beautiful thing that he’s so supportive of his family, I’m just tired of listening to him…
And Peta and Nyle with the bow at the end, like Maks and Meryl, which were copied by Rumer and Val…
Why do they keep bringing Maks back every season?? I’m tired of him… Derek decided to be out of this season and you don’t see him popping in everywhere giving opinions, he likes to stay out of the way… But it’s impossible to compare the two…
It’s a beautiful thing that he’s so supportive of his family, I’m just tired of listening to him…
And Peta and Nyle with the bow at the end, like Maks and Meryl, which were copied by Rumer and Val…
That fusion dance made up for their dull freestyle so I’m wondering why peta didn’t do something like that for the freestyle. That was fun and intense. I’d give that a 10. Also I feel like all of America started crying with nyle.
*Sorry for the double post
Didn’t appreciate Maks’ shade thrown towards the Hough/Ballas’.
I think Call made an ass of himself last night. He captured none of Astaire’s ease and grace. When (Fred) he’d enter the screen it seemed like he just decided to start dancing. He had a spontaneousness about him where it seemed like ok boys, get your camera ready. It was effortless beauty. Derek has that. Val has to push and force it.
Paige and Mark 🙂 loved it. They made this season so much fun to watch. That is a friendship that will last forever right there. This dance is the perfect example of this pairing: fierce, fun, and fast.easily would give that a 10. Also that jacket was very Michael Jackson and I loved it.
Was there any actually Foxtrot in Val and Ginger’s routine? I think those 9’s may be our answer. Another MEH dance for me regardless.
A little hectic but still better than what Ginger did. I’m fine with 10’s for Nyle.
Paige’s dance was awesome I’ll be surprised if they don’t win it. I know it’s about the celebs but it’s been fun watching Mark grow this season too.
GOOD LUCK here we go
They should have dropped an atomic bomb and put Derek in the lobster outfit. Towards the end Sasha came up to and passed the camera, imagine Derek taking the head of that costume of for a cameo. The ballroom would have exploded.
I can tell by the judge’s comments that Nyle is going to win. Already preparing for it
I hope the movie rolls keep coming in so Paige doesn’t have to fight anymore. Ginger 3rd, that was right.
Aloe blac sounded bad. Love his music but that was brutal. Also, ginger and Val seemed okay with third. Was worried we would get annoyed Val…glad we didn’t.
OMGosh, did The judge just drop a bomb shell? They are so disconnected as humans!!!
My thoughts of tonight…… And these are random, Twitter-like, but all grouped together in one big mosh pit of a comment….here goes: The three seconds of Wanya at the opening made me want him back on the show! I miss Emma and hope she is back next season. I love Karina and miss Her in all the group dance numbers. I hated the misogynous number with the women! Maybe she just said…No, won’t do that number. The outakes were fab. Not sure what the stylists are doing with Erin….last night grandmom, tonight cabaret girl! Jodie and Keo were adorable ….but I think Keo needs to tone it down a bit ’cause this is not about him. Maks and Val seemed frantic…. Not loving the preview of their show. Is this “make the women look stupid and degraded” night? Why that bit with Witney and Lindsey!?!? I don’t understand. The cheesiest dance with Witney and Artem…they are beautiful dancers but did even like the interpretation of that dance. YEA!!!!! More Wanya!! Lobster Sasha is back… Double Yea!! Yea!! CAI’s hair….um….what? Is she channeling Meryl Streep in Rickie and the Flash?? Nyle is crying …. So sweet! I love him and his partnership with Peta. I want him to win! Where is Ramon? A 30 for the 30 year old! Paige I and Mark are amazing….ok, I’ll be fine if Paige wins! Aloe Blacc just amazing! And the winner: NYLE!!!!! So happy!!! And scene!
Congrats to Nyle and Peta! I wish I didn’t have to see MAKS.
Happy Birthday Mark, just know you truly won to many. You will get your 3rd MBT.
Happy for Nyle winning. He was always my second choice if Wanya couldn’t win, so this is still a very good thing.
Can’t wait for season 23!
Congrats to nyle and peta! Perfect final two. Beyond happy for him.
Mods, thank you for a great season. Such depth in the cast, and some great dances. See you this Fall!
Good for nyle. Winning top model and now a mirrorball all within a few months.
Wish it would have been Mark & Paige…
Only thing I can say other than congrats to Nyle & Peta is I’ll give Peta credit– she’s the only fam member to truly win on merit (take note lifetime achievement award winners) which to me is why she’s won more times than the boys.
Awww, yay! Nyle was 22nd winner of ANTM and now he’s the 22nd winner of DWTS! I loved how teary-eyed he got after his fusion dance. So happy for them. I really hope he keeps on dancing now that the show is over. 😀
Ya know, Gibroni, Derek and Julianne would just laugh at that behavior. It says WAY more about Maks and Val than it does them. That’s some massive insecurity those boys have.
VB, I think he said it on his Facebook page, but unfortunately Ramon had to go to the hospital. it’s such a shame because he had been there for the whole journey and he works so much better with Nyle than the replacement interpreter.
Also, I just want to thanks the mods for everything this season. Part of what makes this show so great in my opinion is this great little community this site has created and all the information that you guys give us. Can’t wait for the fall and the next go around of celeb rumors 🙂 .
Congratulations to Nyle and Pita. My wife and I would have been very happy with Paige and Mark also. (But our real love was Wanya and Lindsay!)
Just wonder if Len already knew when he said to Paige that if it was based purely on dancing, she would be the winner?
Thanks to all the moderators and John behind the scenes for another fantastic season of blogging and a lot of inside knowledge.
Congratulations to Nyle & Peta. Sad that Mark & Paige didn’t win, imo they deserved it, and I wanted Mark to get the MBT, as I have a bit of a sinking feeling that this might be Mark’s last season. Even with Mark’s wonderful energy, choreo and dancing, I found it to be an underwhelming season without Derek and I was hoping against hope that he would’ve made an appearance as a dancer or choreographer for the finale. I don’t for the life of me understand why Maks took up so much camera time this evening; I find him so tedious, and that dance he did with Val was poor, especially when he blew the jump at the end. Anyway, I just want to thank the Mods from the bottom of my heart, for continuing to inspire, educate and entertain us this season! You make the DWTS experience unique and fun! Many thanks!!
I’m happy for Nyle and Peta, they’re amazing together, but I am so, so, so heartbroken. Paige and Mark were consistent all season, and one of my personal favorite partnerships. And I was really hoping they’d win too, because Paige had a whole 4 point lead over Nyle. I guess it just goes to show that sometimes scores matter, but sometimes they don’t. A Paige and Mark win would of been amazing (can’t believe I’m saying that), especially since it’s Marks birthday. And Len, if the show isn’t based purely on dancing, then what is it based on? I’m not trying to be a hater, I’m really happy for the winning couple, these are just my opinions.
Btw, thanks for all of the mods who kept me updated with the Dancing by the Numbers posts, they were always interesting to read and get into a little but more technical side of things. And also, an extra thank you for the mods who wrote the live blogs- you kept me updated while I was in dance class, and I loved knowing what was going on while I was out.
Beyond happy for Nyle and Peta! They’ve been my favorites since Week 1 and I’ve continuously voted for them!!! On the other hand, congrats to Paige and Mark! Mark has created some incredible dances this season and Paige has owned them all. Thanks everyone for a wonderful season!!
I was right about nyle winning! But felt super saf about paige and mark.
Its kind of a bummer to me though cause i feel like the past few seasons the winner is always predictable. Maybe thats just me?
Last time Val lost he refused to do press. I suspect he feels differently this time.
Congratulations to Nyle and Peta! I was hoping for a different outcome, but Nyle’s a great guy and a deserving winner in his own right.
Paige and Mark have taken their place on my short-list of favorite DWTS couples. I hope they know how many of us were pulling for them and are very proud of what they accomplished. It’s almost impossible to compete with a handsome, charismatic, deaf guy who happens to be a darn good dancer. If the playing field had been more level, I believe they would have pulled it off.
Thanks to all for keeping me entertained and informed while I waited for the results.
I’ll check in tomorrow for the post-mortem.
Thanks for the kind words, ya’ll. 🙂
I’m really happy for Nyle! I watched him on ANTM and he was one of the nicest people ever and just seems genuine and he is a great dancer and advocate for his community.
What I find though, what isn’t making me celebrate his win, is that “the fam” seems to always ruin it for me. I think if he lost, we would have seen another “fam” situation on twitter, like when Zendaya lost to Kellie Pickler and now that they won, they just seem to over-do it. Why was Maks on stage? anyways, I don’t know. I just think the funny business and the clique-y-ness of the fam just makes me roll my eyes
That four points was only about 7,500 votes, Michelle, which is statistically insignificant for this show. Tiny margin and not a lot to overcome.
Nyle did a good job. I’m happy for him. Super yawn of a finale even the win was unexciting. Not sure what’s going to happen next season but they’re going to have to really step it up!
Thanks again mods
also, sidenote, thanks to everyone at Pure for everything you guys do. This is the only DWTS blog I watch and have come back to for the past 9 or so seasons.
Oh and PH, Court, and Vogue, waiting for some intel on the Fall cast….haha jk 🙂 enjoy a little time off.
Oh, yeah, I kind of forgot about the votes. Good point. ? Wow, don’t I feel embarrassed now. Whoops. ?
Congrats to Nyle and Peta! I would have loved for Paige and Mark to have won. They were truly remarkable this season. So glad they made it to second place. Seems as though Mark prep Paige on the possibility of second place. Hope Mark gets an Emmy nomination for such wonderful, creative choreography.
Kudos goes to Peta. Her dedication and creativity in teaching a deaf person to dance is truly remarkable.
I find it interesting that Nyle won season 22 of DWTS and season 22 of ANTM. What a koinkidink (coincidence).
A big thank you to the mods for all the time and effort they put in to keep all of us informed. This is a great forum to turn to. In addition to information, I am always entertained by the comments and insights that you all make. As for the C brothers – they must be really insecure individuals if they always have to compare themselves to others and then diss those people to make themselves feel better. Time to grow up! As my grandfather always told me when I was growing up, there will always be someone smarter, more talented, and financially better off – however, what you do with your life and how you treat others around you is what you should judge yourself on and not what everyone else is doing. Wise words from an amazing man!
Mark likely knew they lost as soon as Len opened his big mouth.
I’ve been predicting that Derek and Mark will be nominated together for their Trio with Bindi. Be cool if they each got solo nominations as well.
A big congratulations to Nyle and Peta, worthy winners. Although I have to say, there is a strong case for Nyle probably being the worst dancer to ever win DWTS. But he made up for it with his journey. Commiserations to Paige and Mark who like Len said, deserved it if it was based on just dancing, she was top of the leaderboard as well. I still think Wanya would have taken it if he had made it to the final, but what will be will be, I’ll get over it (eventually). Feel sorry for Mark though, that’s 7 years now without a mirrorball trophy and his abilities deserve much more than that.
I can’t help but be disappointed that Paige and Mark didn’t win. I think she has been the most consistent with her performances and improvement in quality of dance throughout the entire season. I don’t think Mark and Paige received the credit they deserved during this season with the judges’ opinions and scores.
However, congratulations to Nyle for his win and for bringing greater awareness on behalf of the hearing impaired community. He is an inspiration.
Can we start campaigning now to get Paige on All Stars Season 2???
Promised myself I wouldn’t watch this season or get wound up watching clips on television. I broke down and watched last night and tonight and it seems nothing much has changed. TPTB still manipulating and Mark loses out again in spite of his brilliant work. I give credit to Nyle for what he accomplished, but Paige was a dynamo and should have won. Expect Nyle to join the brother’s tour to bolster ticket sales. Based on that disjointed mess we suffered through tonight, they need a boost from someone. They just don’t have the Hough’s talent.
Didn’t watch the finale. I wish Mark and Paige would have won but I’m okay with Nyle winning.
@jessica – The reason Maks was on stage was because it’s HIS show. He thinks he can do whatever he wants. 🙂
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@Sandy which is funny because he always seems to come back when he claimed he didn’t need the show 😉
#JoanneB I never thought about Nyle joining the brother’s tour, but Peta would have to be there as well. Not sure if she was going to appear. Who else would be able to coach him? Wondering how well the ticket sales are going? If the tour is anything like what we saw tonight, I would ask for a refund.
As long as Val is on DWTS Maks will always be around. Have to give credit to Derek and Julianne. They stay away from the limelight. I’m sure Derek may stop in at rehearsals to see Mark, but I doubt we would see him on stage or even in the audience.
Ugh… Paige and my boy almost almost almost had it. It sucks that they were at the to of the leaderboard and still were the runner up’s. It would have been great for Mark to win on his 30th, but instead he finishes second for a third time. I’m happy for Nyle and Peta though. Even though Paige and Mark did not win, they overcame some huge odds this season. Paige went up against 3 NFL stars and still made it to the finals. In my mind, that’s bigger than winning the MBT. I would go absolutely crazy if Mark does not return next season. I am still waiting for him to win. I really hope he never leaves the show. PLEASE
One Last thing…PLEASE give Mark an Emmy… And give him and BC a Grammy nod…
I think this finale had more new content compared to other season. I found it more entertaining and I appreciated that they didn’t show dances from those eliminated early in the season. It seemed a bit higher quality than usual.
I think Peta worked hard with Nyle all season and it’s a shame that Maks will find a way to take credit for her win. Maybe not directly but it will get used as promotion for DWM. The preview for the tour by Val and Maks made me grateful I’m not paying money to watch those two dance. They could at least put a little effort into it instead of the same old washed up moves.
Overall it was a good season but I thought the final was lacking a bit of excitement. Looking forward to the fall. Thanks for all the work you do here.
PH (#83), do you think Nyle still would have won if Paige was 5 or 6 points ahead instead of 4?
I wonder if the outcome would still be the same if Paige & Mark received perfect scores for their AT & Salsa (which I believed they deserved).
Anyways, thank you mods for doing (as always) a wonderful job keeping this site so much fun (and addicting) to read! Thanks for all your hard work! 🙂
Congratulations!!! To Nyle & Peta
And the runner up Paige & Mark who I supported all the way! You are a Winner and the Best dancer, Paige Season 22.
Happy Birthday! Mark
I have to admit that I was a little more disappointed than I thought I would be. I was sad for Paige, but I was devastated for Mark. That man deserves as many accolades as we can throw at him and more, and I think he and Paige really deserved this win. Paige has become one of my favorite contestants ever, and her emotional growth and connection with Mark was insane. Mark somehow managed to carry a lot of the show this season, IMO. I was never disappointed and always surprised by this couple’s dances.
That being sad, I’m disappointed but not pissed. Nyle and Peta were incredible this season, I feel they earned this. Nyle is a ray of light, and I think opened a lot of people’s minds to the unique challenges and gifts of the deaf community. Peta is amazing. She might not be tops in choreo yet, but she’s definitely one of the show’s best teachers. Her patience, kindness, and protectiveness really allowed Nyle to develop into a wonderful dancer this season.
All in all, not the ending I wanted, but an ending I can get behind.
And, on a random note, I really appreciated CAI’s message to Nyle. 90% of the time I want her gone as a judge, but she really is such a compassionate person. Taking the time to learn a little sign language to speak to Nyle was gracious and honestly teared me up.
I agree with everything you said Chayse!
I’m okay with Nyle winning although I do think based on dancing alone Paige should have won. And Len pretty much said that; but if you nitpick others and give Nyle a pass on things (like posture and frame) that’s what happens! I will be shocked if Mark doesn’t have at least one Emmy nod and hopefully a win in his future and Paige has a golden future IMO!
Thanks to the mods for all you do, especially putting up with the trolls! I seriously doubt I’ll be watching next season at all! TPTB have just ruined the show for me with the pimping, overscoring etc! I’m getting too old to get so invested in a couple and then have them lose, LOL! But I will continue coming here for updates and then watch anything worthwhile on YouTube.
Hi there from Australia. I’m a long time lurker but I’ve taken the plunge because I wanted to thank you all so much – mods & commenters – for keeping me sane while watching Season 22. Whenever I would be sitting alone late at night watching the delayed telecast and thinking, “No, that dress is just a big NO”, or “Why the hell is Maks lurking there again?” I knew I could come on here and find like minded people. Thanks again for the laughs and the excellent taste in judgement!! 🙂
I haven’t been commenting very much in this season but I did try my best to keep up with the show, so YAY that Nyle won! ANTM and DWTS 22 winner baby, and I’m so happy that Peta got another MBT.
I’m sad for Mark, and Paige indeed is the best dancer, but it’s probably the first final two since Amber and Corbin where I genuinely will be happy with any of the top two winning, so I’m not upset either. Just a bit sad for them.
Okay, time to go back to hiding until Strictly hits it off in September. Vogue please tell me you’re going to make the threads for it. By the way, retrospective for this season will be fun, methinks, so yay again.
Gotta admit,Im a tad disappointed that Paige and Mark didn’t win. IMHO Nyle only won because he’s deaf. His posture and technique never really improved as the season went on.
Oh well……here’s to S23! Thanks to Heidi, Courtney,Vogue and John for another terrific season here at Pure! Enjoy the Holiday weekend everyone! See ya in September!!!
#Princess Heidi What did Maks say about Ballas/Haugh family? I’m from Serbia, can’t watch entire show, just video clips on YouTube.
Ballas/Hough, made a mistake 🙂
Was there any talk about Len’s return? I saw Erin talking to Pit bull but surely she did not mean anything except a guess judge. I am under the impression Len will not do both strictly and DWTS together.
@Kelly, I’m disappointed they didn’t win either, but I can’t be mad that Nyle won.. Still would’ve loved to seen Paige win because she’s been on fire this whole season. Sigh.
Congratulations to Peta and Nyle. I wish Paige and Mark had won, but, I was happy for Nyle and Peta too. Overall, this was one of THE most disappointing seasons ever. There were highlights like seeing Edyta back. I loved most of the celebs too. Though it was just not the same without Derek. Why couldn’t we atleast have seen a performance with him? Also, the pimping of Val and Ginger left me feeling ill week after week. Wanya should have made the finals instead of them. I would have rather seen Von and Antonio in the finals versus Val and Ginger. Oh well. I hope TPTB get it together next season. Please make Derek a part of it in some way….pro dances atleast to make it complete.
I also missed what Maks said about Ballas/Hough. Would appreciate if someone can fill us in so I don’t have to actually go back & watch the words come out of his mouth. LOL.
Thanks to the mods who have informed & entertained us all season long! I love your posts & really look forward to reading them. You do great work & I can’t wait ’til the posts start up again as the Fall season approaches. 🙂
And +1 to what Miss Heidi said on the Maks and Val tour. That performance was just awful. It looked like they were just winging it. I mean…would Julianne and Derek have winged a performance like that for a preview for their tour? I don’t think so. Those two are always perfectionists. We got the “Elastic Heart” Emmy nod performance for a preview. Geez, I bought a ticket. I was hoping this was going to make a cool road trip for Hubby, Cash, and I like the MLOT last summer and now I have to wonder?
@vogue, I agree. I think without Paige and Mark, I would’ve checked out of this season long ago.. They kept me into it and it’s crazy that you can just tell there’s a Derek void this season.
I was team Nyle from the beginning with Paige rising to the top spot for me in the last few weeks.
Really both of those top two are winners in my book. Paige gained a bunch of new fans who, before she came on the show had never even heard of her (me included) and proved to herself that she is a smart, fearless woman.
Nyle brought the experience of being a deaf person in a hearing world to millions of people and opened minds and hearts.
Also, I just loved how emotional and invested Peta and Mark were with Nyle and Paige.
Oh, and the show better campaign hard for Mark to get an Emmy nod for choreography. With Derek gone, Mark is one of the shows top assets. Maybe try to get Lindsay a nod as well.
Besides his work with Derek I’m thinking the contemporary with Alexa about her bulimia the winter waltz with Paige or their steamy tango are probably the 3 best dances Mark did this year. I suspect TPTB will be submitting Nyle’s freestyle even with the outside choreography
Kudos to the mods for outstanding analysis this season. And it was a tough season to analyze because it was so competitive and so close.
On another site I visit one of the commenters said he had never watched the show before and he watched this season for Paige. He said she got a movie role and hopes she’ll get a lot of opportunities from doing DWTS. I think a lot of us have that hope for her because there was not another thing she could have done to win the MB. She gave her all. When we have a season like this with more than one deserving winner but only one who can win it’s good to remember that this show has been very beneficial to some of the celebrities who didn’t win.
Mega congratulations to Nyle who was unforgettable. After 22 seasons you think you’ve seen it all and then Nyle! That’s why this is a great enduring show.
As to Maks and Val and their tour preview, what I noticed is that Val hit the floor with an all-out jive and Maks looked like he was, dare I say it, phoning it in. I’m sure that’s not the case, but the ironic thing about Val and Maks is that they’re brothers but they’re not alike in their dancing. When they dance together they should be making adjustments that bring them more into unison. If the cameramen had done a split screen on them it would have looked like they were dancing two different dances.
I’d submit Paige and Mark’s Tina Turner inspired jive along with the two you mentioned, the winter waltz and the Argentine tango.
I think they get to submit three dances. Is that right?
Yes Susan2 (119)… And also for him and BC to get a Grammy nod and an AMA nod…!!!…
Vogue, at least you’ll have darling Cash there for consolation if it’s not very good!
LOL so true Jess!!!
The Val/Maks dance just looked sloppy and unrefined. I don’t think they threw it together last minute, but it looked like they were trying to choreograph in a style that neither of them really trained in or understood the style’s grammar. I’m guessing that on their tour, they’ll probably both be responsible for the choreo and the overall design and that could be trouble. They really need someone like NappyTabs or even Mandy Moore who has experience in staging numbers and productions of that size, but I doubt either will even consider it.
I’m happy that Nyle won, but I think that by the latter 1/3 of the season, his limitations as a dancer began to show. His story is great, and I think that resonates with the viewer, but as a dancer, Paige was fantastic. It made me wonder, had she not endured all the bullying and continued to train as a dancer how good she might have been, since you could see the technique is still there. She has that perfect blend of femininity and athleticism that is quite coveted in the dance world. Her age would have put her in the golden era of SYTYCD from Witney/Lindsay’s season on, and we see how that worked for those two.
I think both of the top two have set themselves up well post-show. Nyle can continue being the inspiration that he is, just now to a much broader audience, and now that Paige has mainstream exposure, she might be poised to fill that ambassador role for women’s MMA that’s somewhat vacant because of Ronda Rousey’s loss and some of her behaviour.
I am one of the many that are disappointed. This season was so produced and tampered with that it was just ruined for me unfortunately.
Wanya should have hands down been in the finals. He is an entertainer!! For Ginger to have been propped up how she has is disgusting. I am okay with Nyle and PETA winning but I still feel it should have been Paige & Mark. She has been amazing and the partnership she has with Mark was incredible
The judges have been for sale all season. Just frustrating.
I almost hope Mark exits as Derek has. The show doesn’t deserve him. The producers seem to have succumbed to the C bros brain wash.
If Mark leaves we will have an incredible void of good choreo. I think Sasha and Artem could do good choreo but they seem to rarely use Sasha and they continually hose Artem.
Linds is the best female choreographer IMO but who knows if she will keep her spot? I used to think Sharna was the best at choreo but now I’m not so sure. Her last two seasons have been a head scratcher for me. I think Emma would have done better with Antonio honestly. Allison is a great choreographer but too hectic.
So, what are we building up to? Good male star choreo (except with Wit) and snooze fest choreo for female stars? (Unless Mark stays and or Derek returns)
I hope that we see some shakeup with the male pros. I would LOVE to see Dennis or Shannon get bumped. Dennis has a production background and is ballroom trained. Shannon may not be ballroom trained but I’m pretty convinced he could dance anything. He just has it.
I feel like if they don’t shake it up, we are going to have coming seasons of the same:
Tony-snooze fest-out early
Artem-worst celeb-out early
Keo-worst celeb or decent celeb but bad choreo
Thus leaving Val to be pumped to the finals. I’m sick of it!!
usually I’m bummed at the end of a season but this time around I don’t really care. That’s a first for me. Just shows how much of a turn off the manipulation & production stupidity is
Derek was actually there last night. Isn’t it interesting that no one ever saw him on camera, either on stage or backstage. Julianne and Brooks were in the audience but they avoided the camera hog behavior like the plague.
What a contract to another certain family.
There’s no way of knowing, Jane.
I do think that the judges likely cost her a well deserved win, though, by pretty much considering her an afterthought over the course of the season and focusing on their family member Ginger who was just so not worthy. That kind of BS has an impact. They would never recognize it, though, because i don’t think they’re that bright.
This really was the most disgusting season when it came to pimping and hyperbole and about a contestant that just didn’t deserve it.
Congrats to Nyle on his win. It is what it is but I would have loved for Paige and Mark to have won the MBT. IMO) they are the winners of S22.
And a big thank you to the mods for all that you do.
He didn’t say anything directly (this time) about Ballas Hough, just said “What is better than this family” – to which twitter lit up with lists of all things that are better than that family. 🙂
So I didn’t watch much of the finale last night (was watching the playoffs) and just got around to watching some performances now. I saw Maks and Val’s thingy and omg I feel bad for whoever bought tickets. Wtf was that? They have some big balls to A. do whatever that was on live television where they are supposedly promoting their tour and B. Actually charge people money to come watch that mess. I’m still not even sure what I watched. They are beyond cringeworthy. “Who’s better than our family?” Ummm, how long do u have?
DWTS doesn’t seem to campaign for Emmys in the way that SYTYCD does. I don’t know why that is. I think Derek has had a lot more involvement in the Emmys than any of the producers do. And if someone other than him or the SYTYCD choreographers start winning statues, it will be thanks to Derek and Nappytabs.
The Emmys doesn’t support more than one DWTSer in the choreo category, usually, but I think the Hough/Nappytabs team got it changed over to a peer group which might make it a tiny bit easier – all depending, of course, on how SYTYCD does this summer. But there doesn’t have to be ANY nominations in that category, so if it’s not found worthy, it won’t happen.
Seriously? You must have suffered from a brain fart, because Derek and Julianne promoted their tour, every chance they got. And the silly gimmick of Max and Val coming out in a red whatever it was, looked more like the show said, “Ok this is what you’re gonna do” I’ll be sure to tell you how wonderful it was after the show and the meet and greet. Of all the things I’ve read on here all season long, I shook it off because that was your opinion. But this time you actually said you don’t remember them hyping their tour. And it was hyped just as much as the DWTS tour.
And I was shocked that Nyle overcame a 2 point difference going into last night. But ya know after seeing Max hugging Peta, I’m glad it was “kept in the family”.
You should read the entire site, Indyvoter, before commenting. Vogue posted about Paige’s movie role yesterday or the day before.
Patti, you don’t have to shake anything off. In fact you don’t have to even come here. Just go away.
Princess Heidi, is last summer’s SYTYCD routines part of the next round of Emmy nominations? If so, there might not be many worthy candidates since Stage vs. Street had a lot of lacklustre routines. Travis Wall had a couple decent numbers, but nothing up to his usual standard for his Emmy wins.
If it’s only this summer’s season of SYTYCD, this is the best chance for someone not named Derek to win one from DWTS. With it being SYTYCD juniors, I can’t imagine the choreographers being able to create such elaborate or emotional pieces as they have in the past because of age/ability and the fact that there are just some topics that could be viewed as distasteful given the age of the contestants.
I agree. Patti, go away. You are trolling. You just come in to throw salt all over the place.
At first I was very disappointed that Paige didn’t win, but now I’m rewatching the show and am crying at all Nyle’s dancing, especially his last one and when Carrie Ann signs him. Congrats to Nyle and Peta on an amazing season!
Except that Derek is eligible with Bindi’s season, Justin, meaning that if anyone from DWTS wins it will likely be him and Mark combined or Derek solo.
It’s just this summers SYTYCD. And Travis has only won once, as I recall.
The best part of the show last night was the game show hosted by Von with Lindsay and Whitney as contestants. Von should have his own show in the off-season or when he retires. Too bad football makes it impossible for him to try out for the hosting gig with Kelly Ripa. But maybe he can be a substitute co-host one of the days.
Patti, good to see you’re still delusional. Derek and Julianne’s tour got ONE mention by Tom – not the excessive, drooling, frat boy behavior that Maks and Val exhibited last night both on screen and on all access. Julianne mentioned stealing Derek’s choreo. That was IT. They did one (Emmy winning) dance that was never mentioned as a part of their tour. That was neither “hype” nor excessive.
You go and enjoy yourself. Please don’t report back. But who are you going to blame when Maks and Val do stupid shit on the tour as well, eh?? As for the MBT being kept in the family – you seem to forget that Derek won last season, dearie. Now, between Derek, Julianne and Mark they have TWICE the number of MBTs that Maks, Val, Peta and Tony have and FEWER ringers that won them. Peta’s the only one in that group that managed an un-manipulated, non-ringer win, so congrats to her.
Patti, go get laid.
Princess Heidi, that makes a lot of sense. That routine with Bindi probably should win this year, especially since I really don’t see much coming from SYTYCD this year.
The only way I see a few nominations is if Sarah “Lil’ Mini” Phoenix auditions and makes the show. She’s an animator who danced with Cyrus on their finale last year, and I’ve seen some of her other stuff. She’s absolutely incredible.
@court
I almost snorted!! Too funny!
I don’t think Val is a a bad choreographer, but he seemed…I don’t know the word to use….Umm, diluted. Maybe he is busy with tour ..I don’t know, but I don’t think he is a bad choreographer.
Since I’m already typing about that, I might as well type this also. I give him a lot of credit cause I think that last contemporary showed he was paying attention to viewers opinions, and its not easy to do when you’re getting negative feedback.
Ginger was forgettable, I’m not saying that to be mean, I’m saying it cause its the truth. It was smart to try to “remind” people in that dance. It was a good idea, didn’t work, but it was a good idea. Here is the thing, for me anyway, this is how that worked. They took three dances from this season and blended them into one dance. ( felt like that was happening anyway, I think I actually posted that is how it seems watching her dance in a different reply) Anyway, Yes those three dances were memorable, but not because of the dancing. Well, that not true, one was memorable because of the dancing. I did enjoy them Disney week. The other two though… I remember the V waltz I felt was over scored, and the week two dance I honestly didn’t even remember seeing it. Maybe I missed a week, but I for real didn’t remember a bench. I don’t think I missed a week…
@court, thanks for the laugh; I really needed one this morning!
@Shim, I also decided to just watch the play-offs instead, but did keep up with the action here and watched Paige’s dance as well as that joke of a Our Way tour promo. I’m sure they’ll polish it up, but how could they even present that nonsense? Talk about second hand embarrassment.
When all was said and done, I was happy for Nyle. I’m not a Peta fan so I think I was turned off to that partnership more because of that then anything else. She did a good job though. I think the hard part for me was watching the blatant manipulation, but then I read comments from non-Derek fans who felt the same last season so I don’t know what to think anymore. I do think Nyle had global support from the deaf community that couldn’t be overcome and tptb ran with it, but I also think they were aiming to get Ginger in 2nd.
I’m glad Paige was able to stand her ground there. I feel bad for her and Mark, but they must have felt it in advance, or I hope they did. It was disgusting the way the wolves descended on that stage and knocked Paige off to the side at the end though. I wish the show would show more consideration to 2nd and 3rd place finishers. It brings to mind Derek’s comment that he prefers to finish 4th than 2nd or 3rd. I totally get it. I was hoping to see him last night, but I wondered if he didn’t want to be a distraction for the competitors, unlike attention/camera hog, Mr. C. Are they that desperate for ratings?
Thanks for all the info and scoops this season. This was definitely the go-to place. Great job as always!
I’m also really disappointed. I know this show is more than dancing but it is now anything BUT dancing. I really believe that an Agenda wins over dance this season in particular. I am going to be politically incorrect but I don’t watch a dance show to be schooled on a culture. Sure it’s inspiring but that final fusion felt more like an FU we are not going to pay attention to the rules of dance we’re just going to do the bare minimum and take a bow . When the other two contestants worked their asses off to understand technique the winner is barely competent. I’ll make allowances for how he learns, even though there are advantages to visual learning for the deaf, in the end he did not demonstrate growth in his dancing, it wasn’t as good as his doing that style the first time. I also think this is the end of an era when the pros may have got help, but they controlled the product. Sytycd is fine for that show, but they have dropped ballroom from their rotation. I assume that this show will follow suit in the next few seasons. I don’t wonder why Mark cried. The guy puts his heart and soul into his creativity which was pretty amazing this season only to be upstaged by outside help. Ballroom and Latin techniques were ever in jeopardy with Mark or Derek. Now because other pros lack vision the very style of dancing they profess to love is very much in danger of extinction
Congrats to Nyle and Peta, but this was Paige and Mark’s mirrorball. That girl was the best, she deserved to win, then they thrown in this Mark is turning 30 tonight thing and it gave me some hope, and how cool would it be for him, but no….it was always Nyle and Peta. Paige crashed their party pretty hard, she had to come close, the nightmare that would’ve been with Ginger and Val getting higher than 3rd place didn’t happen, and as I believe everybody predicted from day 1…or 2…or 20…Nyle won.
The show was a bit of a mess, first of all the sound guys really did a terrible job with that countdown ding thing going on in the fussion dances, the way the volume just went down in a weird way in every “live” song, Fifth Harmony sucking with their dancing as they usually do and this time in front of pro dancers, that one girl with the crown, Pitbull being Pitbull and on this show again! (why?), the opening number was a mess specially the first half.
I have to say once again that I will forever be a Val girl, I absolutely adore him, and Maks too…but this season they really tested my, what should I call it? Love? Fandom? I don’t know. On a physical level, we’re still cool, but I thought Val did a terrible job with Ginger, I wasn’t rooting for them at all, they never gave me a reason to, and if you add the pimping, I rooted even less. And last night their “preview” of the tour was awful. They still looked hot as hell (for me, not for this website of course) so maybe they were counting on that, because the “number” they showed was just them jumping around doing nothing, nobody could’ve been convinced that this is going to be a good show from that dance…if you can call it that. I thought this partnership was great, they looked happy, they looked like geniune friends, but common, the dances were lackluster, to say the least. I mean, I was more excited with Ginger’s husband and his funny cheerleading, than with any dance these two did.
It was a fun season, Paige and Mark had the best numbers all around, their Proud Mary and Austin Powers are two dances I’ll always remember.
I don’t think Val is a BAD choreographer, I think he’s a bang average choreographer that gets shown up regularly by the likes of Mark and Lindsay.
As if, Court. 😉
I had HOPE that Val was a good choreographer – in ballroom, anyway. But he’s really shown nothing particularly great since his dance with Meryl in Season 18. He’s not close to the league that Derek, Mark, Lindsay..and hell, even Peta…are in. As long as Peta doesn’t let Maks have any choreographic say, she could be good. I think she was often too hectic with Nyle – and she never really corrected his posture – but she’s doing a better job than Val is.
LOL Courtney!
Heidi, I agree about Peta and her choreo, She comes up with such cool tricks that we haven’t seen before. Val just keeps repeating his past dances over and over again.
In their own style of ballroom, Maks and Val can create a decent routine. But their promo for their tour was a bit of a mess because it looked like they were trying to fuse other styles into a ballroom-like approach, but don’t have the necessary expertise in those styles to make it look realistic. It’s like when Tyne was a pro. She’s a brilliant contemporary dancer, but lacked the necessary ballroom expertise to make a realistic routine.
And even to that, a very good dancer doesn’t always translate to being a very good choreographer. Some of them make that transition like Travis and Derek and Allison to an extent. But look at some of the pros on DWTS. Chelsie Hightower is a very good ballroom dancer with great technique, but her choreo was always a bit basic compared to others.
Finding the best of both worlds, execution of dance and vision for choreo is a tough package to find.
Thanks, Princess Heidi, for filling me in on what Maks said. Yeah, I’ve got a long list of what’s better than their fam, too. Ugh!!
E! just reported that Peta is pregnant!!! That means that she will most likely be off for the fall season due to the baby. Great! That means we’ll most likely keep Lindsay as a pro! I don’t know if Edyta will be coming back. She will pull an Anna T. and come back one season and not the next. I hope Emma comes back! I have a feeling Allison will unfortunately but I’m not really a huge fan of hers and I don’t think I ever will be, so blah…
Anyway, I was not able to watch the finale last night so I relied heavily on your updates, mods! You all do a great job as always!!!
I was VERY disappointed that Paige and Mark didn’t win. In my opinion, she has shown the most growth. She always performs with full attack and Mark’s choreography this season has been outstanding. The best I’ve seen from him in a long time. I could see the disappointment in his face when the winners were announced. He TRULY, TRULY deserved it this time, along with Paige. I feel horrible for them.
I wanted Paige to win over Nyle, but let’s face it, that was not going to happen. Yeah, I get it, he’s deaf and he can dance, but no matter what, there are ALWAYS going to be people that’ll vote for you because of your “limitations” more than anything else. It’s just my opinion. He definitely got a lot of people voting for him who were just more amazed at the fact that he’s deaf and dancing, rather than actually looking at the quality of his dancing in my opinion. It irks me that Peta never fixed his posture issues. It irks me that the judges didn’t really call him out for those issues. The whole idea of “oh he’s dancing without being able to hear the music” was really the main focus here, and that alone got all the raves and support and the WOW’s. I do believe that the better dancer is Paige. Unfortunately I think it’s safe to say that DWTS is not a show where the best dancer wins all the time. The most POPULAR celeb wins all the time. Sometimes, they’re the best and they’re also the most popular. Double whammy. However, we all know that is not the case. Also am not a big Peta fan. Nyle had the support of a lot of people and he has a strong social media following too, so based on that alone, I kinda knew he would take it, even though I really wanted and voted for Paige.
Either way, congrats to Nyle, even though I REALLY WANTED PAIGE TO WIN.
Maks can suck it. Never cared much for him and never will.
NOW IT’S SHARNA’S TURN TO GET A MIRRORBALL! “Fam” aside, I really do believe her time should come! She’s great!
Patti I understand many of your points, and I also like Val a lot.
But Sharna, Emma, Sasha, Keo, Artem, and Peta are themselves immigrants and they arent making a big deal out of it…
Patti’s done. Please everyone move on.
It’s no one’s turn to get a mirrorball! No pro has a divine right to a mirrorball because they’ve not won one yet. Sharna for one has had enough chances. She’s failed to win with a Olympic ice dancer, a serviceman, a backstreet boy and now a Steeler, all four of them with huge fanbases. She’s the female Val in terms of being pushed by TPTB to win.
I just have this to say. Julianne and Derek have more accomplishments in the business compare to their peer on DWTS and yet they never voice anything pertaining their family as being the best unlike Maks.
I always believe that no matter how “great” you or your family are, there’s a greater Being out there who controls this universe. Some things are just temporary such as your career on DWTS. Sometimes people, even a great empire, fall to teach a thing or two about the word humble. And I love this saying: “Common sense is a flower that does not grow in everyone’s garden”.
I didn’t watch last night until the last 30 minutes to the end. Just in time to see their fusion dances. I still contend that Val threw this season so that Peta would win.
Especially now knowing that Peta is indeed pregnant (Henry confirmed on his IG account). Leave it to Henry to once again try and steal someone else’s thunder. She won’t be on next season or possibly the next (if there is a season 24).
As soon as Len told Paige that if it was just based on talent she would in, I knew she hadn’t. The look on Mark’s face said it all. I turned back over to The Voice.
Nyle isn’t the first person to win that wasn’t the best dancer. I’m not mad about that. But at least when Donnie Osmond won, it wasn’t blatant manipulation by the judges.
And not to add insult to injury but with Peta leaving and Len probably not coming back next season (due to SCD), I do indeed wonder if Maks will be the other judge.
I’ve now given myself a migraine. Please forgive me if I have overstepped on my opinions.
People who truly are great don’t have to keep telling everyone how great they are.
Once again, I do not comment often but I do read everyone. I now want to thank all the moderators for doing such a great job. The work you do for us is much appreciated.
Molly, if Maks is a judge next year, I will slit my throat! I realize that is not a politically correct thing to say these days, but that is just how strong my aversion is to Maks being on my TV every week judging others in the same competition that his already pimped brother is in! I am so sick of the Fam and the way they act towards others who are not part of said Fam! They have already spoiled DWTS for me; Maks judging full time would be the last ….(add colourful adjective of your choosing) …. straw! (This is a very tempered version of the rant I am feeling inside. I usually try to never comment on them; if you can’t say anything nice ….. I just could not stop myself after last night.)
@Meggie – sorry I got your dander up. I didn’t mean to. It was a thought and probably won’t be answered until August. I don’t know why I am worrying about it now.
I wouldn’t give the fam the pleasure of hurting yourself. They seem to get off on other’s misery. I’d love for an overhaul of most of the pros anyway. Tony should retire to teach at one of the studios they all own. But I’m afraid if he did, they would just get someone else for the older women. They aren’t going to give them to Val (and in all honesty I don’t see them giving them to Mark either).
“I wouldn’t give the fam the pleasure of hurting yourself. They seem to get off on other’s misery.” Well, Molly, you managed to make me laugh with your quick wit!
Yes, I think it’s time for a change of pros also. I love your idea for Tony! May I suggest he take Val with him?? Once Mark is gone, Sasha is the only male pro left who interests me. I’d like to see what some of the new male troupe could do. I also wouldn’t mind having Gleb and Tristan back! I’d love to see Lindsay, Emma, Sharna and Karina next season along with Kym. Sharna is only back in my good graces because she showed some class last night and congratulated Paige and Mark. I wouldn’t mind Allison back if she does some ballroom training in the off season. The best thing about these picks is that other than Sharna, there’s not a Fam in the bunch, so there would be no exclusion of non-Fam or over-the-top pimping. Ah, a girl can dream!
@PHeidi #165
That’s absolutely correct, and they are comfortable in their own skin.
The comment in message #92, “Although I have to say, there is a strong case for Nyle probably being the worst dancer to ever win DWTS.” made me fall on the floor laughing – sorry, it just happened 🙂
One experiment I would like to see: Get persons who never saw or heard of Season 22 (like people from Australia and other countries) to be “Amateur judges”. Just show them the routines from beginning to end – no comments, no backstories – just the routines – and have them rank the Season 22 contestants in order (Basically, you would be taking Nyle’s deafness out of the equation).
My strong opinion is that these “Amateur judges” would never have put Nyle in the finals, or the semi-finals for that matter. Why? Because they would be judging just on dance ability, not factors other than dancing. What do you think.
So this season definitely got me more interested in DWTS again and I tuned in every week to stay updated and watch the show.
For the final, I personally wished Paige and Mark could’ve won the Mirror Ball instead of Nyle and Peta. Len’s final comment about Paige theoretically being the winner if this competition was only judged on dancing is bittersweet because it does hint at Nyle being the winner. Also, Mark being overwhelmed with tears after the dance and Paige’s strong desire to bring home the Mirror Ball partly for his 30th birthday made the second place finish even more anticlimactic. Although I’m genuinely happy for Nyle’s win and touched by his perseverance/entire story of overcoming hardships through dance, Paige is the one who truly won in my heart.
Thanks once again to the fabulous mods for getting us through another season! My top 3 fave things about dwts: 1)any great celeb/pro partnerships, 2)some number of terrific/entertaining/moving routines, and 3)this site.
Vogue, ask for refund if maxval show sux.lmagine if the length of their show just them winging it! Oh the horrors!!
If that preview dance was their advertisement for maxval tour, there will be many empty seats. Just awful!!!
I think our only hope of Maks NOT being a judge would be the return of Julianne or someone else way more famous than Maks. She can at least be objective and she’s proven that. Maks has proved just the opposite.
It occurs to me that the last time the show was over run by “the Fam” gang, the producers seriously cleaned house to the point that only Maks and Val (and Tony) were left. Perhaps we can hope.
I’d wonder if Julianne will ever return to DWTS again. Her performance in Grease: Live seems to have opened doors for her in terms of acting roles. She was even in Bad Grandpa as Zac Efron’s wife-to-be, so I’d imagine other projects are in the works.
It would be interesting to see if they do clean house again because it is becoming Fam-heavy, especially if pros like Karina and Mark decide to take time off because of other projects, which they most certainly have on offer.
There aren’t really many options in current or former troupe members. Hayley isn’t ready for pro, just because she’s still new to ballroom, and I doubt Brittany Cherry will ever be ready to be a pro, though she is a good dancer. Moving Jenna to pro would only bring another Fam member, and I’m still not sure she’ll make a good pro. I wonder if she’d be more like Chelsie as a pro, great technical dancer with credentials in ballroom, but isn’t great at teaching or choreography.
Hoosier, it’s a tough call because I don’t think Ginger would have made it either. But who would in their place? Wanya. Maybe Von? Paige would have won, Wanya would have been runner up…after that? I think Nyle still gets in, he just doesn’t win.
“Bad Grandpa” happened long before Grease Live did, Justin. I do agree that performance upped her cred, though I don’t think she was having problems before.
I don’t know that I’d make the blanket statement that Nyle is “the worst dancer ever to win DWTS”, because he wasn’t terrible – he still outdanced the bulk of this season’s contestants, save for Wanya & Paige. I’d say he’s maybe the MBT winner with the least amount of growth throughout the season, or the one with the most inconsistent technique, though.
And I guess I just kinda have to shake my head and shrug at the whole thing, because the “so-so dancer with the touching backstory that makes it far further in the competition than they probably would have if they didn’t have the touching backstory” trope is nothing new on DWTS at this point. I would argue that Noah’s backstory is probably the main reason he made it all the way to the finale in season 20, even though Sharna did have a knack for showcasing his talents – the guy was just not nearly as good as some of the other couples that season. Hell, even as an Alek fan, I can admit that his story is probably what carried him to the finale, even though he had a great growth arc throughout the season. I don’t think Nyle is much different – if Nyle danced the same way he did all season, but could hear…I’m not even sure he would have made it to the halfway point in the competition. It is what it is – the bulk of the DWTS viewing audience is a sucker for a fairy tale, and will push so-so dancers with a touching backstory, and will become very invested in the possible romantic entanglements of cast members on the show. Guess I’m just more of a realist.
Courtney, I think you hit the nail on the head. Even look back to Janel/Val. There wasn’t much growth, but people bought into their “chemistry” as people perceive it.
For me, the epitome of this season is reading some of the Twitter comments and comments on other sites/articles about Nyle’s contemporary versus Paige’s. I think a lot of people love the more touching emotional contemporary routines and ignore the technique within because it’s sometimes seen as just “flailing about.”
I don’t think it’s always apparent to the general public that part of contemporary is the execution of the technical aspects of the routine combined with the emotion, and for me, that’s why I preferred Paige. Nyle’s story might find a broader audience, but I thought that parts of his choreo, such as the floor work, just looked a bit unrefined and some of his movements lacked a bit of commitment, especially when you compared him to Paige’s floor work and her leaps and spins.
@Justin – I think it all boils down to very passionate fans of the show (like the ones that post here at Pure) vs. more casual fans of the show – I think the former kinda becomes more savvy to the influence of the “touching backstory” over time, and is less likely to find themselves swayed by it; I think the more casual viewer is more likely to fall for it hook, line, & sinker.
@Courtney — I love you guys here at Pure for that very reason. The posters here have a well-balanced knowledge of dance combined with a the realistic view that DWTS is a reality show.
I’ve always thought when you leave things to public vote, weird stuff happens. All you need to do is look at Boaty McBoatface.
As for dance shows, SYTYCD season 2 is a great example of entertainment over actual ability. Benji was limited as a dancer, much like his sister Lacey, but won because he was entertaining over Travis who was the better dancer. Heck, Allison was eliminated at F6 and didn’t even make the finale that year.
I agree about the whole Nyle winning thing. There were quite a few really decent dancers this year and if Nyle had not been deaf I have to wonder if he would have made it to the semi finals. Virtually every post I saw about him referred to his not being able to hear and how amazing it was as opposed to what a great dancer he was. Emotion played a huge role in his win and I think Peta did a great job of using that to their advantage (with help from the judges who IMO did not judge him the same as others: his messy jive versus Wayna’s slip and 9’s versus 8’s).
Personally whenever they have someone on with a disability or heart tugging backstory, I always ask myself if that didn’t exist would I be voting for them and if the answer is no, then I don’t vote for them. But I do agree Courtney that a lot of us who have watched for years have become more savvy about this and are less apt to vote on a story and more likely to vote based on skill and or entertainment factor or a combination of both.
@Justin – Thanks for the compliment 🙂 The funny thing about SYTYCD is that I find that the runners-up often have more successful careers after the show than the actual winners, which makes one wonder if the audience did get more caught up in the entertainment factor than the talent factor when voting. One that really sticks out to me is season 4 – Joshua Allen won and Twitch was the runner-up, but these days I see Twitch EVERYWHERE and the last time I saw Josh was in a McDonald’s commercial 3-4 years ago. I think Josh just came across as more easygoing and relatable than Twitch, who was more intense – but I think Twitch was more talented, and had more long-term appeal. Sabra, who won season 3, has basically fallen off the face of the earth, but I see runners-up D-Trix & Lacey both got pretty big gigs as a judge on America’s Best Dance Crew and as a pro on DWTS, respectively. And the ballroom girls that always seem to get eliminated early on in the top 20? 5 of them have ended up with gigs on DWTS (Chelsie, Witney, Lindsay, Brittany, Jenna). I even look at Comfort, who was in the top 20 of season 4 and was an extremely polarizing contestant (viewers either seemed to love her or hate her) that got eliminated TWICE (eliminated, brought back after another contestant withdrew, then eliminated again), and she’s basically a staple in every big dance movie, dance-heavy hip-hop video, and episode of Glee that’s come out in the last 8 years. My only theory is that those that don’t win still stay kinda hungry and probably hustle harder for jobs, while the winners might rely a bit more on their name to carry them.
@Leigh – I had a really hard time introducing the “if he wasn’t disabled, would the dance be so impressive?” concept to Noah fans last summer that were outraged that Sharna wasn’t nominated for an Emmy for her choreography for him. Yes, the choreography was good FOR SOMEONE MISSING AN ARM AND A LEG; but it wasn’t good choreography, period. It was certainly clever and innovative FOR HIM, but if someone that wasn’t disabled did the same dance, it wouldn’t be as impressive. It wouldn’t be able to compete with routines from SYTYCD performed by two able-bodied dancers with a high level of skill doing more intricate stuff. Some of them got it when I put it that way; others were still of the mindset, “Well, I really think Sharna should have gotten nominated. That choreography was INCREDIBLE!!!” Again, it’s the battle of wits between those viewers that are more logical and more likely to see the big picture, and those that are more likely to let themselves be carried away in the emotion of things.
@Courtney — Even more in the ballroom world, Pasha Kovalev got eliminated early and so did Janette Manrara, but both have found a home on Strictly in the UK. In fact, I think Pasha might have won it twice. I’d love to see Janette come back over and do DWTS, but I think she’s quite settled in England now.
I even thought about another member of that group from Vibe who I think got eliminated at top 18 a couple years back, Brooklyn Fullmer, who I’ve seen in a few of the big production numbers when needed, much like Brittany has done recently.
I totally agree regarding the Nyle backstory explanation. I, like some others, did ALWAYS see comments talking about how they were blown away at how Nyle was able to dance without hearing the music. They focused too much on that rather than really looking at his QUALITY of dancing. I hate to admit it but if he could hear, I do agree that he probably would’ve gone way sooner than Wanya and maybe even Jodie. They definitely used the whole deaf thing to their advantage. Every week something about that had to be brought up. We couldn’t just focus on his dancing. So though I do believe he was not the worst, he is definitely one of the weaker winners.
I for one definitely look at technique and frame when I watch the dances. I love Sharna but let’s face it, Antonio was not that great and I stopped trying to find excuses to bring him up because I could see that he wasn’t that great. But of course, it is a reality show, and no matter what you do, someone with an “emotional backstory” will win over a lot of the audience. No matter what. It has never failed. Noah, JR, Nyle…whoever else.
That’s just the way it is, folks. Sad but true.
Heidi -It occurs to me that the last time the show was over run by “the Fam” gang, the producers seriously cleaned house to the point that only Maks and Val (and Tony) were left. Perhaps we can hope.
Heidi from your lips to TPTB’s ears! But this time I hope they take Val and Tony with them and I hope they keep Maks away from the judges’ table! Why is there always so much pimping of the Fam crew??? (rhetorical question!) IMO, they are never going to make Val “happen”! The guy can dance but he’s no choreographer.
I would never go so far as to say that Nyle being deaf is an “advantage” or that Peta used it to her advantage. I think that borders on the ridiculous, in a way. In no universe is being deaf (or having no feet, or having lost an arm and part of a leg) an advantage. It is just a fact of their life that they have to DEAL with – and this show shows how they deal with it, just like how the other celebs deal with various issues. Would you remove your hearing so that you could get ahead, much like someone takes lessons to get ahead? Hardly. What Nyle (and Amy, and Noah) are doing is excelling IN SPITE of a serious handicap. They refuse to call it a handicap, they don’t let it stop them from doing anything, they don’t let it slow them down. That SHOULD BE inspiring and amazing. It IS inspiring and amazing and strong. And why shouldn’t people be awed by that? Do they dance just as well? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. But this show has never been just about dancing – it’s about dancing, and people’s journey and seeing them grow. And these people are amazing so why shouldn’t they get the votes from people?
Sure, some people vote because they are amazed. But others vote for the favorite pro. Other vote for their favorite celeb. Very few, I bet, actually vote for the best dancer. Others get ahead because of huge fanbases or prior training. But people like Amy, Nyle and Noah had to go even farther to get ahead because of their disability. The journey was far harder, so I think people voting for them because of that if perfectly fair.
Er, I feel the need to point out that if Nyle could HEAR we probably wouldn’t be having discussions about his lack of growth…because if he could hear the music they could likely spend more time polishing the routines.
If we could upvote posts, I would upvote Heidi’s above post on Nyle, Amy and Noah to infinity and beyond. Very well said.
I would never say that being deaf or disabled is an advantage. Maybe I didn’t express myself well, but my opinion is that by constantly reminding everyone about it was advantageous (and smart) of them. Between the package, Tom, Erin, and the judges it was always brought up and reinforcing it to the viewers is IMO a good thing from the perspective of getting people to vote for him perhaps because of how amazing he is versus how good the dances were. Again just my perspective, it didn’t seem to me that there was quite so much of this with Noah and Amy, maybe because you could see their issues where Nyle’s was not visible to the naked eye?
I certainly don’t mean to offend anyone. I give mad props to Nyle, Noah and Amy for what they are able to do, which is far more than I can without the disability. My comment was in response to whether or not Nyle is one of the “weaker” technical winners and my opinion on what may have contributed to his winning.
I cant believe henry confirmed petas pregnancy on his ig. What a douchebag?
I just feel very bad at mark because i have been getting really strong vibes that he feels underappreciated. I feel maybe just because derek is his best friend, maybe he gets frustrated and feels his work isnt recognized when it seems like every endeavor derek touches turns to gold. Of course I dont think he feels resentment at derek, but he probably does feel frustrated and wants his talents to he recognized.
Why is brittany cherry never invited back? Is she very immature or something?
It was nice in the finale seeing a mix of asian, black, white, and hispanic dancers.
PH comment #191 so on point to all the people complaining if nyle isnt deaf, nyle isnt the best dancer, he didnt deserve to win, etc. he did all that despite being deaf, imagine if he actually could hear, what he could’ve done
But the thing is, Leigh, they weren’t just “reminding” people – they were learning how to DEAL with it. I think there’s a big difference.
Honestly, it should be brought up regularly because people will forget and they shouldn’t, because it is pretty amazing. My understanding of Nyle is that he’s looking to make a difference, to show people that you can do anything when you’re deaf. That’s more important than a dance show, and it’s more likely the reason they were reminding people. Even with Amy, people tended to forget about her feet when they weren’t obvious because she was so freakin’ good – and not just good for someone who had no feet.
And you didn’t offend me. 🙂
@sophia – I don’t think there’s any harm in pointing out that, even though he won, Nyle was not necessarily the best dancer this season – hell, I wouldn’t even call that an opinion at this point, as he was still having some visible timing & frame struggles during finale week while the other two finalists were pretty much nailing those aspects. Yes, I’m fully aware that Nyle couldn’t hear – and that if he could hear, he probably would have been even better. But we didn’t see that, and I’m not going to apologize for admitting that, over the course of the season, the awe that so many people felt at the fact that Nyle could do what he was doing despite being deaf wore off for me – and I don’t feel like he really improved significantly. He was good to begin with, he was about the same at the end. He proved that he was a good dancer, for being deaf; I was left wanting to see him prove that he was just a fantastic dancer, period, by cleaning up some of his technique & posture – and sorry, but the “he would have had a chance to improve even more if he could hear!” excuse is wearing a bit thin for me, too. You can still work on technique and posture while you’re deaf. As he and Peta got used to working with each other over the course of the season, they would have had more time to hone in on technique…and I didn’t see it.
Yes, what Nyle & Peta accomplished is incredible – I commend them both, and I’ve never said that I didn’t think they should have won. But I’m not going to pretend that they were the best dancers this season, or that I was entertained by them week after week – for me, that title goes to Wanya & Lindsay, no contest. In the spirit of respecting the many different motives viewers have for voting, I don’t see why that’s suddenly such an inflammatory topic…
P.H, I’m glad I didn’t offend you.
I guess it’s just a matter of opinion. I imagine there are people who probably needed the reminder. I guess for me personally I just felt that I didn’t need that reminder. Maybe I’m just smarter than some viewers ?LOL!
There were times this season where I felt I had to defend myself as to why I wasn’t that impressed and wouldn’t vote for Nyle. Yes what he’s able to accomplish is amazing but I separate that from the quality and technique. I admire and am in awe of him, but that doesn’t mean (or shouldn’t at any rate) that I should love every dance and automatically vote for him. And some people can’t differentiate between those two things and it drives me crazy (or crazier as some may say).
Hell, Leigh, I didn’t vote for him! 🙂 I was also one of the first to point out his posture issues. I just don’t think that someone with a disability has an automatic advantage over anyone else on the show (who can actually dance). It’s defined as a condition or circumstance that puts one in a “superior” or “favorable” position over someone else. MANY contestants had advantages – Paige and Ginger both had previous dance experience, as did Jodie. The football players have much larger fanbases. Nyle’s story is that he has a disability (or disadvantage) but that he can still dance. Did it end up helping him? Probably. But Paige’s and Ginger’s dance experience was a definite advantage over Nyle. Ginger’s position on GMA was an advantage over EVERYONE. But Nyle’s deafness wouldn’t have done anything for him if he couldn’t dance a lick. It also helps that he’s gorgeous and sweet. 🙂 Those might be actual advantages.
But people with all the advantages in the world don’t always win.
PH, Exactly! I guess Nyle’s win over Paige is just more evidence (as if we really needed any) that previous dance experience is NOT the Holy Grail of advantages so many viewers want to believe it is! As you said, there’s a whole list of advantages, and in reality previous dance experience is one of the lesser ones because (a) people have a bug up their butt about it, (b) it doesn’t tap into viewers’ emotions the way a touching back story does, and (c) it doesn’t usually come with a built-in, loyal, passionate voting bloc like the fanbase advantage does.
PH #190 “would you remove your hearing so that you could get ahead…hardly” Me clapping vigorously!! I didn’t vote for him, or Noah, but I was surely completely impressed by them and what their pros did with them.
To me it’s like someone saying a mom with a child in a wheelchair has an unfair advantage because she gets to park in the handicap spot. Do people completely lack empathy so as to not begin to understand what it’s like to get through life with serious impairments?
I vote for who ever I want. Sometimes I vote for pro, often vote for Karina, sometimes I vote because I adore a partnership while the dancing is very questionable (Bill Engval/Emma) Sometimes I vote for who ever blew me away with their dancing that week…And sometimes I vote for someone who inspires me. I NEVER vote of out sympathy, I do vote out of mad respect sometimes.