Dancing with the Stars Season 23 – PRO WATCH!!
Welp. I must say, my snark is extremely rusty because it’s been on vacation. 🙂 I’ll see if I can whip something out before the end of this post.
So, you may have seen in an earlier post that Val blessed us with several nuggets that only a C-bro can knock out, strongly implying (well, out right proclaiming) that he’s already connected with his partner. Hey, if you don’t have choreo, you work with what you have. 😉 Plus he’s not going to go “Hollywood” (like his brother and everyone else on this show – as if it were a bad thing – it’s called a CAREER after dancing).
I am working on the assumption (despite what he says) that Derek is out for good. I think the only way we see him again is if he gets an unexpected hole in his schedule and he’s afraid of boredom and they offer him a shit ton of money. And this *could* happen, although I wouldn’t count on it, since he was talking about “fun projects” in his off time. That said, “Singin’ in the Rain” has been delayed from late 2016 – early 2017 to solidly 2017. No date yet…because they don’t have a theater, because Broadway is doing well per Derek. This means, if we don’t see him in the Spring 2017 season, he won’t be on the show until 2018 at the earliest. Keep in mind, also, that I’m talking about him competing. He could certainly do some pro dances. Kinda surprised he hasn’t popped up on SYTYCD yet, honestly. Non-compete clause??
That brings us to Kym and Peta. Kym just got married and isn’t really a recurring pro these days. Peta is visibly pregnant and certainly out for the season. I hope Lindsay is in – hope, hope, hope. Based on a lot that Allison has said and her ability to get Emmy nominations, I’m going with “In, if they find her a partner.”
Sasha and Emma have choreographed as a team TWICE on SYTYCD this season, but I don’t think it precludes them being pros on DWTS – others have done both at the same time. Not sure we’ll get both though. We’ll have to wait and see. I think they, unfortunately, are two pros who depend on the producers finding them partners – they’re not (yet) in the category of the producers doing whatever they have to do to find them a partner, even mismatching them (see Val and Tamar).
So, remember kids, we have twitter too. Give us a few minutes to update before you start spamming the post telling us that xyz said they had a partner.
ETA1: This may be something, or this may be nothing – we’ll leave it up to you to judge. Corky Ballas (pro in seasons 7 and 11) is asking to be verified on Twitter, with the reasoning being that “DWTS fall season is starting soon”. I’m more inclined to think he just wants a fancy check mark next to his name & will say whatever to get it, but in the same token, maybe he IS somehow involved in the upcoming season. Heidi wondered if maybe he had been hired to judge; some of you mentioned in the comments that maybe he’s this season’s token “old pro”. For now, we’ll just keep an eye on him…-Court-
ETA2: There’s an article circulating that claims Gleb is returning as a pro this season – you can read it here, and allegedly it’s getting officially announced at the even tonight at The Grove. Beginning to wonder if tonight’s event is going to be a sort of informal “pro announcement”, as opposed to announcing it on GMA…anyone going that wants to text me updates on what’s going on? 😉 -Court-
ETA3: Emma just posted this on Instagram about a new project she’s undertaking. In theory, she COULD do both this and DWTS…but if she’s doing DWTS (even just as troupe), I don’t see why she would take this on. She is also one of the few that has not posted on social media about being at the Grove tonight (along with Mark, Tony, Keo, Karina & Lindsay)…which makes me wonder if she is sitting this season (and possibly every season from now on) out 🙁 Tony, Karina, & Edyta haven’t said anything about the show recently, and Keo appears to have grown a beard and gotten a tattoo in the off-season, which makes me wonder if he, too, is out. Mark has yet to tweet anything about the show, and while Lindsay hasn’t either, she did post a picture of her working out back in Utah a few days ago that mentioned she was heading back to L.A…gah, I don’t want to think about a season without Mark, but is it possible we’ve reached the point where he moves on? -Court-
ETA4: This post is getting kinda long, so go check out the post about tonight’s event at the Grove for a bit more of an elaboration on who is gonna be there tonight (and possibly, who isn’t). At this point, I’d say if a pro hasn’t said they’re gonna be there or hasn’t been tagged/mentioned by another pro/the DancingABC account as being there – there’s a chance they might be sitting this season out. -Court-
ETA5: DWTSGossip is tweeting the pros below as in with two open female spots. It all sounds reasonable to me but I’m leaving the question marks in some instances…just in case. I like to qualify things. 😉 The ones without question marks I was already pretty sure they would be back, regardless. ~Heidi
ETA6: So, you think Mark is dashing to meet his partner, or is it something else?? And yes…we are stalking. 🙂
ETA7: It’s very possible that Mark is running through Newark to catch a connection to meet up with Shirley for Killick Klassic – since he missed it last year and Derek filled in, he’s gotta go and be a good son. Also, George Pennachio confirms Artem is in.
ETA8: Vogue here. Check out US Weekly. There is a fun article with mentions on Allison and Gleb returning to Dancing With The Stars. Also, Elena is packing her bags (see below) and Gleb is excited too (instagram at the bottom of the page). I think it’s definitely safe to take the question mark from Gleb’s name now.
Packing my bags for LA so happy @Gleb_Savchenko is going to be on @DancingABC so we can all be in 1 place Olivia’s excited to start school??
— Elena Samodanova (@ElenaSamodanova) August 19, 2016
ETA9: It appears Karina is probably out. See the bottom of the post. ~Heidi
ETA10: Per DancingABC, Emma is back. See bottom of post.
ETA11: Well….not saying anything else. 🙂
ETA12: According to E Online, Maks is back as a Pro. ~ Vogue
ETA13: According to his Twitter, Tony is officially out for Season 23
ETA14: And Jenna’s fondish wish comes true. Ugh.
ETA15: Wow. Glad that secret is out of the bag. 😉 ~Heidi
ETA16: Vogue here. Our hunches were right as Keo has been moved to the troupe via George Pennacchio.
ETA17: A few more updates below. Edyta (per her twitter) is out. Cheryl Burke is also heavily rumored to be a Pro. ~Vogue
ETA18: Sorry, Mark fans. ~Heidi
Male Pros
Val – IN
Gleb – IN
Mark – OUT
Artem – IN
Derek – IN
Sasha – IN
Maks – IN
Female Pros
Sharna – IN
Emma – IN
Witney – IN
Allison – IN
Lindsay – IN
Jenna – IN
Cheryl – IN?
Status of Former Pros
Tristan MacManus – No, appears to have sworn off TV dancing
Anna Trebunskaya – ??
Kym Johnson – OUT??
Lacey Schwimmer – No, doing Vegas
Cheryl Burke – Out – committed to another network
Maksim Chmerkovskiy – IN?
Louis Van Amstel – ??
Chelsie Hightower – ??
Corky Ballas – asking to be verified on Twitter due to DWTS starting soon
Karina – OUT
Edyta – OUT
Tony – OUT
Peta – OUT
The Troupe
Keo – IN
Henry Byalikov – Guessing out for good
Jenna Johnson – ??
Brittany Cherry – ??
Alan Bersten – ??
Hayley Ebert – ??
Shannon Holtzapffel – ??
Dennis Jauch – ??
Kiril Kulish – ??
Look who’s back as a pro this season on #DWTS! https://t.co/V4UipKt1A3
— Official DWTS (@DancingABC) August 24, 2016
it pretty sucks derek is not coming back but the male pros, i said val, sasha(as pros again),keo and tony are definitely in and other idk and women pro, witney, karina,sharna, lindsey and emma(as pros again) definitely coming back too, others idk but the troupe pros, i think it will be brittany, jenna and alan again but others idk but hayley i think she will be doing hairspray(as one of the dancers) so she can stay close to her boyfriend derek not be doing DWTS, all my guesses.
I think Artem and Sharna are in but could be very wrong. I’m just saying based on the promo pic.
Kym’s an interesting case. I asked her directly back in May if she was coming back and she said no, she’s done. In interviews recently though her answer has changed from no to who knows. still inclined to say she’s out though
LOL Heidi. You always make me laugh! Well done! I know when this post goes up, the new season has officially begin!! Good luck to all the Pros (what I’d give to see Gleb and Derek surprise us somehow.)!
Fiction, remember in season 21 when Peta and Artem were the promo stars and then neither ended up being pros during that season. Peta got injured but they just kicked Artem out of his pro spot. But to get to my point, just cause your on the poster doesn’t 100% mean you will be a pro, anything can happen
It already doesn’t seem like a dynamic season. They really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat. It is getting harder to be enthused.
I’m begging that Lindsay is back, I really don’t see why not especially after the two great seasons she’s had with Alek and Wanyá, as well as Peta being out. As for the others, I’m pretty sure Mark is in, back in May, Shirley Ballas tweeted that Mark loved the show too much to leave, but things could have changed since then.
I assumed that edyta was requested by Geraldo to be honest (which ended up being a fun…..albeit short lived pairing) but I hope she is back next season.
oh crap i forgot about mark ballas, he definitely coming back for sure. i think derek will be back in fall of 2017 after singing in the rain boardway show is done but i thought he said he was doing a move on live tour again in 2017 too but who knows that stills in the works but if he ever does dancing with the stars again, the Move on live tour probably be pushed back til 2018. i dont think DWTS this coming up, my guess it not gonna be good one, prolly boring one, my guess have to wait and see who gonna be the rumors casts?
Just to clarify (and newbies, please commit this to memory)…
…being in the promo picture does NOT mean someone is for sure a pro this season.
…someone saying “I’m planning on being back” does NOT mean someone is for sure a pro this season.
…someone posting a picture of rehearsals at McCadden does NOT mean someone is for sure a pro this season.
…someone just happening to be in the same place as confirmed pros this season dos NOT mean someone is for sure a pro this season.
In other words, unless a pro says “I got a partner this season”, they are not a confirmed yes. We realize that everyone just wants to help, but we’ve been at this long enough to know what does and doesn’t constitute a solid confirmation.
You seriously made up an email address for “my guesses on DWTS”?? How much of a coward are you?? And you’re “for sure”?? Source please.
Between another MOVE tour and SitR, that leaves little to NO time for Derek on DWTS.
princess heidi, what? not what i meant, i said repeat if derek is done with SITR, he could go back to DWTS afterward but still no word from derek and his sister about move on live tour yet.
I was hoping that Jenna would become a female pro this season. Apparently SYTYCD raps up around the same time as DWTS premieres, so I don’t think that’ll be possible this season.
All I can say No Derek No Mark It’s gonna be a boring show I’d have to force myself to watch
Looking at this list really makes me think they need to heavily invest in some dynamic male pros, pronto. I can name several female pros that, even if they all aren’t consistent, have had some memorable performances/seasons IMO. Sharna, Lindsay, Karina, Allison, Peta, Kym (if she wants to come back), etc.
Right now, in terms of memorable performances- the guys have Mark. I think Sasha has potential, but I’ve been wrong more than I have been right in that regard and he hasn’t produced anything memorable yet. I honestly see why they keep Val around (even if I would prefer he leave)- he’s popular, has a solid fanbase, and occasionally busts out a great performance.
I look back and literally the only male pro dances I remember are Mark’s and Derek’s. That’s a problem. I don’t follow the other versions of the show or ballroom dancing but there has to be better options out there.
Yay, I love Pro Watch! I’m so sad that Derek is probably not coming back, it’s not the same without him 🙁 But you can’t blame him, he’s pretty busy after all!
I hope Allison will be back! And I would also love for Cheryl to return! Apparently Deena Katz said we will see Cheryl back at one point or another (so not neccesarily this season but who knows).
it just won’t be the same without Derek and mark 🙁
This is my unpopular opinion but I want Brittany cherry to be pro this season. I love her as a dancer and as a person.
i was hoping Val’s tour would overlap dwts so I wouldn’t have to deal with him.
I dont mind Jenna as a dancer but I would laugh if she doesn’t get pro because of her annoying and rude fans on Twitter. Apparently her a Val are dating now *barfs*
I’d LOVE to see Derek back…guess I’ll have to wait till Hairspray Live until he’s on my TV Screen again 🙁
Dull Tony, conceited Val and not-a-teacher Keo will likely be back. I do like Artem but he doesn’t deserve a ringer. He got a dud of a partner last season. Oh how I’d LOVE for Val to get someone like a Joanna Krupa or an Amber Riley or Amy Purdy and see what he could do…like show us how good you really are instead of giving him a legit contender on a platter that he’s had every season since Elisabetta.
I think Sharna will likely be back. Once Antonio started taking things seriously, she did amazingly well with him. It’s too bad he wasn’t serious about it from the get-go. I forsee Witney and Lindsey returning also. Allison too. I do like Peta though and she’ll be missed this season. How she deals with the C-bro ego is beyond me….lol
I like all of the girls, but, with an exception to Sasha and Mark (and Gleb, Derek, and Tristan), I think the guys need a serious make-over. I’d like to see the guys from last season’s troupe as Pros (but, NOT ALAN) and some other new pros versus Val, Tony, Keo, and Artem.
And Kelly, I agree on everything you wrote.
Question for the mods: Is Cheryl still working with NBC? I thought the show she did ( I Can Do That) was cancelled since she did the Love On the Floor Show this summer. If
I Can Do That has been cancelled wouldn’t that release her from her NBC contract?
P.S. I know this month is insanely busy for you and you all have full time jobs besides so don’t worry about getting back to me right away. Thanks ladies
(and John) Love all you do
Count me in on the “male makeover” idea. Unfortuntately, Tony is like “fiber” for the show. They know that things will run smoothly having Tony as their go to remedy for the older contestants.
I’m bored with Keo already, Val is a one trick pony, And Artem is simply just “meh”. The producers better bend over backwards to ensure that Mark returns. And please give Sasha a partner this season.
As far as the ladies go, absolutely Lindsay must return. To me, she is the shows new key pro that is bringing fresh and exciting choreography to the show. I’m sure that Alison will return. Not sure about Karina. Sadly, for me, Sharna has slipped somewhat into the “meh” category. Unless, she steps it up this season, I may have to dodge some flying tomatoes (haha!) with my criticism. Hopefully, she will get back on track.
@Chayse
I agree with you fullheartedly, almost all the female pros have had their shining moments, and are capable of creating at least one or two good/memorable routines in a season. There are more consistent female pros then others (Sharna, Lindsay, Karina), but they all can create some pretty memorable routines.
As for the males, Mark is the only one who’s very consistent, Val can occasionally step up to the plate, but the other male pros, can never step up to the plate, which is the real difference. Sasha has a lot of potential, and I really liked what he did with Emma on SYTYCD, but it’s still too early to tell.
I hope Artem is back. He has been one of my favorites since his Strictly Come Dancing days.
My hope for female pros:
Emma
Allison
Lindsay
Karina
Sharna
Edyta (I know that is a long shot)
Male pros:
Mark
Sasha
Artem
Tony (I think they’ll keep him just for the old and crazy ones)
Val and Keo (would like both of them to go away)
I used to love Val but my patience and nerves were just over him the Janelskiy season. That’s when I started noticing how much he just does whatever worked for Maks.
Mods: Has Len been confirmed as a judge for the Fall?
I have a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that Peta’s hot and heavy house search in L.A. is because Maks is going to be a judge. Since she isn’t on this season why wouldn’t they just stay in New Jersey close to his family? I’m not sure I can actually take a season of him as a judge. I guess that is why there is a mute button on the remote?
@Molly – Reading that Maks could be a possible judge this season made my coffee come back up. Eww! I hope not.
Hi guys, I’ve been reading you for years ☺. I only wrote here once, when you wanted to submit fan’s questions for Edyta’s interview few monthd ago.
I hope she is back this season. She is my favourite (with Karina). I was watching her instagram, and somebody asked her in the comments is She and Alec back on Dwts 23, and she said Alec is done, and “we will see about me”. It is on the picture from Kym’s wedding. So, she probably still doesn’t know is she on season 23. Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina!
P.s. I also hope thst the new male pros will be in, and I would also like to see Dmitry Chaplin and Gleb Savchenko return.
@Molly – I have no reason to believe Maks will be a judge. There was quite a bit of backlash from his judging during switch week last season…I doubt they want that week after week.
And I’m telling YOU, my guesses, that that would be 2018 at the very earliest if we don’t see him in Spring. And I think I’m clued in on all things Derek, thanks.
Deena said she would “like to” have Cheryl back – not that we WILL have her back. Pretty sure that’s up to Cheryl.
Jenna and Val have “apparently” been dating for quite some time now. But much like his relationships on the show (and his brothers before him), I think this is a showmance. Because that’s what those fans want.
Of course, people who ship are usually so deluded that Val and Jenna might not be dating at all and it’s a figment of their imaginations. 🙂
^ I hope not! I could see Maks pushing to be a judge this season because it seems like he has no other source to make money. Part of me wonders how Maks is going to afford a baby, house hunting, and (Peta wants) a million dollar wedding. But that’s none of my business :/
Yay Pro Watch! I don’t have a lot to add right now, other than a note Re: Jenna. The SYTYCD Finale is happening at the exact same time as the DWTS Premiere and all of the eliminated contestants/all-stars will be back for it (plus the eliminated all-stars are continuing to do group numbers every week). As a result, I don’t see any way that Jenna could be a Pro this season, and she could only do Troupe if they give her the 1st week off.
Doesn’t really concern the pros but Brittany is doing Baz Las Vegas until the New Year. So you can pretty much mark her as out for pro and troupe.
Alicia,
As much as I hope Princess Heidi is right and he won’t be a judge, I don’t think he’s doing it just for the money. He does co-own several dance studios. When I visit one of my friends in NYC, her apartment is literally 8 blocks from the SoHo DWM studio. It is always packed. I think they do a great business. And he has 5 more, I think, just in the NYC, New Jersey area.
I think he is doing it to stay relevant in Hollywood. He didn’t fare very well outside the show as far as acting and such so he quit trashing DWTS and starting worming his way back in to the show.
Princess Heidi,
I think J and V are toying with their fans. They say they are private but then tweet heart emojis from the same city with “I’m so happy” and “Life is beautiful”. After the negative comments about the age difference Nicole started styling her to look about 10 years older than she is. It seems a silly way for 2 grown people to act.
As long as she is dating Val, my opinion is that she will at least be back in the troupe. She won’t let him get too far out of her sight.
jmo
M8,
I didn’t know that about Brittany. Good for her!!!!
Sandy,
Sorry, not sorry. 🙂
Alicia, I’m more of a Maks fan than a Val fan, but, I don’t believe for a second either one are hurting financially. Maybe they didn’t make as much money as they would have liked with their tour (being they weren’t sell outs), but, I’m sure they still made money off of it. They also make money off their dance studios in NY and LA. I bet they invest like their Dad too. Also, it’s not like Peta doesn’t have money to help pay for the wedding (and a new home)too. And if she wants a big expensive wedding, then good for her.
Oh goody! Another season of Val, who is apparently starting to work with his partner before everyone else, and Tony’s boring choreography because he isn’t going anywhere. That will two times I mute the tv or leave the room.
I’m hoping for some really interesting celebrities this year, not a list of “who is that person.” With all the manipulation that goes on in the past, it’s getting harder for me to stick with the show.
With that said, welcome back everyone! Thank you Heidi, Courtney and Vogue for once again taking on the responsibilities to do these posts for another season. I look forward to it.
Wasn’t there something about Len getting a lot of money to sign on for S23?
@Alicia, I’m so glad to find someone else who thinks Brittany should be a pro! It’s a pity she most likely won’t be back for this season because of Baz Las Vegas, I missed her so much last season. I hope we get some new troupe girls this season to make up for it!
That being said, I hope that at least Sharna, Witney, Lindsay, Emma and Allison are included as pros. Not sure who could fill the sixth spot; I heard it from the grapevine that Karina’s contract ended last season so I hope there’s another old-school pro comeback or a new face. As for the guys, I’m hoping for the same line-up as last season; if any new guys are added for whatever reason I’d like to see the producers either bring back Tristan MacManus and give him a partner with potential for once or bring in Trent Whiddon since he doesn’t seem to be under contract with Strictly anymore.
I hope MB is back… Alexander Jean’s tour was a huge success and that was great to see. I would love to see him dance with Simone Biles or Madison Kocian if he comes back this season…
Or McKayla Maroney…
I know DWTS is a entertainment show…but I watch it just so I can read all the comments by Vogue, Heidi and Courtney..you all are a hoot!!! Thanks for all you do.
Awwww, thank you Jeannette 😛 We try!
I echo you guys. Male pro shake up long overdue!! Shake it up puh lease!
I don’t think many people can compete with Mark or Derek. They are just in thier own league. Both of them should always have a spot IF they want it. That being said, I would be okay with any of the remaining guys being bumped, with the maybe exceptions of Sasha and Artem.
I adore Sasha and his energy but he just didn’t wow me last season. I did love him with Snooki.
With Artem, I think he is great but there is something that isn’t working. He and Mischa were bad bad. Not that it is his fault but I think he can’t connect well to some people. Can’t put my finger on it.
My vote for new pro is Dennis. I have read about him and I think if he got a star with decent rhythm, he could make a go. His parents were ballroom champs and he has trained in just about everything. Of the current troupe I think he would stand the best chance of a good rookie pro season
I absolutely loved Shannon but to my knowledge he has no ballroom training and I just don’t see that working. I think Alan proved he isn’t maturity ready after the super awkward Paige stuff last year. I have no comment on Kiril one way or another.
I am with you guys…..no Maks judging. Just no. Biased snarky bitter. Just say no!!
Just to add. I really think this will be the season we see Jenna as a pro. I feel like each season she has been more and more in our face and with PETA expecting, I think it’s happening, like it or not. I can see the logic with producers too, like, look how well Wit and Linds have done after being in our troupe…..sigh
Lindsey, IMO, has more than earned her spot. She rocks.
Sharna has bugged me the last two seasons but I still think she is insanely talented and deserves her spot.
I hope we get Emma back. I love her kindness and the way she supports her partners. Seriously, Bill E and Enma is still one of the best partnerships ever. LOL
@herbie – I was discussing this with someone on Twitter earlier – I don’t think we see Jenna as a pro this season, for the simple reason that she will still be contractually obligated to the SYTYCD finale which I believe is the same night as the premiere of DWTS. I think she can still be troupe and miss an episode or two, but a pro? No way they’d let her miss premiere night with her partner – much less to go do a show on a rival network. And Nigel is notorious for putting his foot down contractually when it comes to the all-stars fulfilling their obligations – he did it with Allison last fall, when DWTS said they couldn’t spare her for the finale of SYTYCD.
There are some pros that definitely earned their spots on the show, and if they wanted to come back, DWTS would welcome them with open arms, Derek, Mark, Julianne, and Kym come to mind. Newbies like Lindsay who have done amazing in previous seasons might not appeal as much because they don’t have as secure of a fanbase as pros who have been around longer even if they haven’t been as successful with teaching or choreographing. This is why I’m still nervous for Lindsay even though she’s had two wonderful seasons, and even if she’s back, it’s still to early to tell if she’s like Witney with the choreography, two good seasons, and then really fizzing out, or if she’s like Julianne, consistently able to step up to the plate. I had almost hoped this would be the season where Jenna would get her chance as a pro, but the SYTYCD thing is making me very pessimistic. I want Emma back more than anything, like Sasha, I’m yet to see stuff from her that really wows me, but I love her optimism and her attitude towards the show. I think Sasha has a chance to be the next Derek, I was very impressed with what he and Emma cooked up for the kids on SYTYCD, and if that can translate to DWTS as well, Mark might have some competition. However, for him, it’s too early to tell.
Chase I couldn’t agree with you more!
*chayse
Val needs to step it up in terms of cherograpphy this season. And so does Whitney. I feel like those two have taken a back seat ever since they’ve won! Val more than Witney though!
Keo grew a little on me last season. However, I think he could benefit a lot from being in the troupe for 2 or 3 seasons. That’s not necessarily a bad thing either! Look at how well that went for Lindsay! She’s even said that “being in the troupe has made her a better pro” and it shows!!! One of the best female pros in my opinion! They better not put Sasha back in the troupe! He’s a team player, great attitude, had great choreography last season, spent long enough in the troupe already, and I’m excited to see what else he can bring to the show! I hope Mark is back!!!
Thanks, Jeanette!
I just don’t get the Jenna love – she’s not a proven choreographer and she’s a bit too camera hoggy for my taste. I also don’t like that I get the feeling that she and Val play the fans. Just no.
While I like Sasha tremendously, I wasn’t particularly impressed last season with what he did. Way safer than Derek would ever play it. He has a long way to go before he gets mentioned as the “next Derek”. As for his and Emma’s work on SYTYCD – I didn’t care for the Jive, but I liked the other dance. The problem with moving from SYTYCD to DWTS is that SYTYCD has no ballroom rules (DWTS does) and you’re choreographing for people with a (often high) degree of training – that makes DWTS a much harder job than SYTYCD.
With Sasha (and Artem for that matter) I think to find out once and for all whether they can cut it and have their “breakthrough” on the show then they need to be given a very good partner on paper which would make or break them as pros so to speak. Every female pro has had a breakthrough mainly because all of them at some point have been given a top quality partner fairly early on (with the exception of Emma), Witney got Alfonso in her second season, Allison got Riker in her second season and Sharna got Charlie in her third season to give three examples. If Sasha and Artem were given partners or that quality and failed then we’d know they weren’t up to it and if they had a breakthrough with them then that’s great for them as pros on the show. I know I’m just speculating but if someone like Simone Biles is cast this season then for me that should be Sasha’s big make or break chance as she should really get him due to her height.
The truly great choreographers/teachers can make to the end or close to the end with someone who is NOT a great partner.
I would even argue that Artem already had a great, potentially “breakthrough” partner in Lea, but couldn’t effectively harnass her talent – I think Derek pulled more out of Lea during team dance week than Artem did all season. Which makes me dubious of how “good” Artem really is.
As for Sasha, he played it wayyyy too safe with Kim this past season – I feel like he could have gotten more out of her if he had just pushed her harder, but he didn’t. That’s the one thing that makes me a bit leery of him partnering someone like Simone – she clearly has talent and a killer work ethic. Is he gonna have the cojones to work her to her full potential, though? It’s almost like he’s stuck in the middle of a spectrum with envelope-pushing, results-getting Derek on one end, and the more-prone-to-coddling-his-partner-and-less-likely-to-really-push-them Tristan on the other.
Yes of course it would be up to Cheryl what she decides to do. I was just wondering what her status was with NBC since the show hasn’t been back on. I’m not suggesting that means she will get picked up over any of the numerous female pros only that she might be available to take on DWTS OR any other project of her choosing. As long as she continues dancing I’ll be happy.
I agree with you Heidi. I also think Jenna’s choreo with Val/Ginger last season that was so close to the Derek and Bindi contemporary from the previous season that even people who don’t watch all that closely noticed. I work with someone who is not a Derek fan and even she thought it was a copy job.
I also just saw an Instagram post that I wish I hadn’t seen. Jenna posted that she is going to do a health blog and then so completely disrespected Emma, Witney and Sharna that I almost screamed. She knows that they use that flat tummy tea and she made a snarky comment about how it couldn’t help you find happiness. Are you kidding me! Emma is a sweetheart and Witney is supposedly one of her friends (or at least until she started drinking the fam koolaid). It just shows how immature she is to call themn out with a not so thinly veiled insult. She also knows that Sharna and Emma are Val’s friends. Very angry over her doing that.
I really want one of the female gymnasts to be on this season. They always bring such a light to the show. It’d be cool to have Katie Ledecky too. She looks like she’d be a sweetie too.
With the examples you give, M8, I think it’s important to take a look at whether the celebrity partners really gave their respective pros a chance to shine, or whether the partners were just so damn good on their own that it made the pros looks better than they truly were. I would argue that Alfonso probably would have guaranteed a win for whoever he was paired with – the dude was just that phenomenal a performer/dancer on his own that whichever female pro got him basically got a free pass straight to the finale. Witney just happened to be the only female pro that was both short enough for Fonz and had tap experience. And given that we’ve see Witney backslide since her season with Fonz (and it’s come to light that she made heavy use of an outside choreographer that season), I would say that it’s far more likely that the success in that partnership probably had more to do with Alfonso & less to do with Witney.
In Sharna’s case with Charlie, I feel like she had already really proven herself as a great pro with Andy 2 seasons prior, so Charlie was just a chance to take it full-throttle – and due to the politics of that season, it kinda backfired, to no fault of her own. So I don’t know that if really cite Charlie as a good example of a “breakthrough” partner for her – she was already good, and to the untrained eye, it probably looked like she was failing miserably with Charlie (when in reality, it was just the propaganda machine at work).
As for Allison with Riker – again, another example of a celeb being so damn good on their own that it basically works as photoshop blurring tool for their pro’s imperfections. In Allison’s case, her weakness was her relative inexperience in ballroom – but given that Riker already had a good deal of ballroom experience, that was not as big an issue as it probably would have been in previous seasons. The fact that she kinda reverted back to riding the struggle bus with Andy the following season tells me that Riker was more of a magic eraser than a conduit for her to really show us her stuff.
Oddly enough, I feel like Emma is the one that has best exemplified how to really make yourself shine by making your partner shine first, no matter how crummy they may be – her season with Bill is what I would consider a textbook example of proving your worth as a pro. She took a turd of a partner on paper and turned him into a breakthrough partner.
Courtney,
Once again I think you hit the nail on the head. Artem and Sasha will have to put up or shut up in the next season or two.
The unfortunate thing for me is that I don’t believe TPTB take into account a Pro’s performances with a weaker celebrity as much as they should when it comes to choosing pros. I fully agree Court that Emma’s work with Bill E was a breakthrough and better than Witney with Alfonso. But TPTB don’t take that into account when it comes to choosing pros it seems. Because Witney won the mirrorball with Alfonso that cemented her status as a long term pro in the eyes of TPTB when perhaps it isn’t deserved as much as someone like Emma.
If Sasha got Simone Biles as a partner and won even if Sasha’s choreography was fairly safe and uninspiring, it may not show his abilities off in the best light but it would guarantee him a pro spot for the long term future and in the pros eyes that is really all that matters. That’s why I respect Mark so much, he pushes boundaries and tries different things even if he knows he might get slapped down with scores that could lead his partner to be eliminated.
I don’t get the hype about Sasha to be frank. His choreography is so mediocre and boring. His choreography with Kim last season was nothing but snoozefest!
Sasha is NOWHERE close to Derek in anything! & infact, there will be no ‘next Derek’..he’s a legend. If someone can come close to him in creativity or great choreography is only Travis Wall & then probably Mark Ballas.
TPTB needs to revamp the pro lineup ASAP. Kick out Tony, as he’s just plain boring.. keep Sasha in troupe.. make Keo the ‘new Tony’ & give him crappy partners/oldies as they can’t kick him due to diversity..rope in Travis Wall as a pro.. & give Alan a shot instead. I really liked him with Paige last season..& he’s got good screen presence as well.
The pros this season likely will be,
Male:
Val
Tony
Mark
Keo
Artem
Sasha/Alan?
Corky? (there was a suspicious tweet by him on twitter, asking to be verified cause of DWTS?!)
Female:
Sharna
Witney
Lindsay
Allison
Emma
Karina
Lacey/Chelsie? (if they’re bringing back an old pro?)
So excited for the new season!!!
Even though it’s very unlikely I still hope that Derek will be a pro…
I’m also hoping for Jenna to be a pro this season. She’s the most versatile dancer dancer on the show besides Julianne and Derek and that is exactly what the show needs I believe. It would be great to see a good to see an actual jazz or contemporary dance and Jenna, Allison and Hayley are the only people that are really good in that department.
Apart from her I’m hoping for Dennis Jauch or Kiril Kulish to be pros. Both are amazing ballroom dancers but also has a lot of experience in other styles. Kiril for example is really good at ballet and Dennis is really good at hip hop. Dennis also has a lot of experience with choreography and camera work (he was a choreographer for little big shots after DWTS was over and he’s been choreographing for Germany’s got talent and Germany’s idol a lot). Dennis just recently said that we will soon see him dance again and he just flew back from NYC to LA so I hope that means he will be back on DWTS??? (In the troupe at least?)
I also hope that he will be a pro and be paired up with Leona Lewis (his girlfriend) in the future. I think she’s doing broadway right now but maybe the season after that? She would be a great contestant with her broadway experience and the chemistry between Dennis and her would be amazing on the show! She also said she would love to do the show but only if Dennis is her partner… Keeping my fingers crossed for this!
I also hope Karina will return as she’s one of the best Latin ballroom dancers and always stats in style and doesn’t do fusion dances all the time like some other pros do!
I like Sasha as a person and it seems like he’s very kind and humble, but I’m not overly impressed with him as pro yet. I mean he’s not bad, but also not better than average imo. There’s no way he comes close to being ‘the next Derek’ imo as I think Derek does not only have outstanding talent, but he also has that it-factor and massive star power when he’s working the dancefloor which none of the other pros seem to have. I think Derek pretty quickly and naturally became the most popular pro when he first started on the show and that hasn’t happened with anyone else since then. I think the show will never have another Derek or Julianne.
I don’t care for Sharna, Val or Artem and I wouldn’t mind if they weren’t asked back lol
I don’t mind Tony and I can kinda understand if the producers feel loyal to him. I don’t mind Witney and Keo either. I love Allison and want to see her back! I also like Mark, Emma, Lindsay and Karina! Would love Cheryl back as well as I’ve said before.
I don’t really care for the Troupe and would rather have more pro dances than these bumpers and I don’t care if Jenna gets promoted to pro, stays in troupe or doesn’t get invited back at all lol
The male pros definitely need an overhaul. I can see tptb keeping Mark (must have), Val (over it), Tony (older celeb) and Artem. I’m over Keo. Nice guy but he’s not cutting it as pro. Sasha as well, sweet but he’s middle of the road for me.
I would love to see Shannon and Dennis from troupe as pros. That would be the shot in the arm the male pros need.
Women: I think Allison, Sharna, Lindsay, & Witney are coming back. I’d love to see Emma and Karina back for the other two spots. Emma for her glowing, feel good, personality and Karina because…..well because she’s Karina, champion, best dancer & choreographer of the ladies & great personality.
Happy for Brittany’s Vegas gig. As far as Jenna, she’s done 5 seasons in troupe & if tptb were going to make her a pro, they wouldn’t have let her do sytycd this summer w/the overlapping start/end date. So if they knew that by last Spring that they didn’t want her as a pro, why bother keeping her any longer at all. She’s too needy for attention imo & can go now. Alan still too immature. Kiril, they barely showed so (shrug).
TPTB knew since the end of last season that Peta was pregnant and couldn’t be back for next season so they could have easily given that spot to Jenna if they wanted but they let her do SYTYCD instead with an overlapping schedule so I don’t think they care that much…
No, no, no, NO to Travis Wall as a pro on this show – we do not need yet another contemporary dancer that has only had a crash course in ballroom.
RealityBites, I don’t even think you read the post, because Heidi clearly indicated that Lacey was tied up doing Vegas.
I’m scratching my head at those of you who are so quick to drag Sasha, but then clamor for one of the 3 dudes-who-I-can’t-even-tell-apart-in-the-troupe-and-have-only-been-there-one-season to be a pro. Say what you will about Sasha’s choreography, but he is a good teacher – and there’s more to being a good pro than just having good choreography. Sasha has experience – those 3 randos don’t. I’m not even sure all 3 have all that much ballroom experience, and like I said for Travis – THIS SHOW DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE CONTEMPORARY DANCERS MASQUERADING AS WANNABE BALLROOM DANCERS. This show, at its core, is still rooted in ballroom – that’s where the pros primary expertise should lie, and they should have some cross-training in contemporary/jazz/hip-hop. And while Sasha’s choreo may have been “boring”, he’s still ahead of Val in my book, because he actually loaded his routines with content instead of long pauses or walking around.
We haven’t seen ‘those 3 rando’s’ caliber yet as a choreographer or even as a teacher.. maybe they’re far better than Sasha, or maybe they’re not. We can’t judge them until we actually see how they’re.. & we have seen Sasha, he maybe a nice guy, but a boring choreographer.. his choreography is mediocre. Maybe promoting the other guys over Sasha will give them a chance to prove themselves.. & they might just prove themselves to be better than Sasha or even some other pros on the show!
& talking of experience, Tony/Louis has more experience than Derek/Mark.. but does that automatically makes them better than Derek/Mark? -NO.
So we can’t really say anything until we watch them. So i vote for ‘lets watch them instead of boring Sasha’.. 😀
I don’t think “winning” the show has anything to do with whether someone becomes a regular pro on the show. I think it’s much more complicated than that – after all, the producers KNOW that they manipulate the show towards certain celebs/pros in any given season. You should be asking WHY they manipulate the show towards certain pros/celebs on any given season and focus on that. Val? Clearly they are desperate for someone to fill the Derek slot (ain’t working) in terms of extremely popular guy with the “it factor”. Val ain’t touchin’ that, but then neither are any of the other men. I almost wonder if someone new will happen this season in the male lineup. Witney? Has the “it factor” despite not being all that as a choreographer. Lindsay? IS a very good choreographer and a good teacher as well – that’s why I think she’ll stick unless we get a bunch of male celebs who ask for other pros. Mark? Has won but not in a long time – but he gets Emmy nominations. Allison? Has a large following from SYTYCD, her husband, etc. She also has been nominated for Emmys a couple times – with Derek, but still. Once you get nominated, your odds are better.
The producers almost certainly have a bunch of metrics on how they measure the pros and their likeability or it factor – and that likely also plays a large role in whether they become “regulars”. I don’t think they’re so deluded that they do everything they can to make sure Val wins and then blindly say, “Oh, he won the show, he must be good so we’ll keep him.” That would be the ultimate in delusion and I don’t think you can be that deluded and still have a hit TV show on your hands.
No, RealityBites, we actually CAN say stuff before watching them, and I don’t appreciate you trying to tell everyone how to think, feel, and act. The tone of your posts is getting increasingly obnoxious – I suggest you scale it back quite a bit.
And trying to use the “Tony & Louis are more experienced than Derek & Mark but they aren’t better SO THERE” excuse is moot. After you’ve been a pro for several seasons, I don’t think being there 10 seasons (Louis, so he actually doesn’t have more experience than Derek & Mark) vs. 16 seasons (Derek) means much. But it does mean something when you’re comparing three dudes that have been in the troupe for 1 season to a guy that has 2 seasons as a pro and 8 in the troupe under his belt. We’ve seen concrete proof that spending time in the troupe is worthwhile – just look at Lindsay, who had a miserable first season as pro, returned to the troupe for awhile, and is now one of the most promising prospects on the show; then look at Keo, who did no time in the troupe at all, and has struggled all 4 seasons that he’s been a pro. Moral of the story? Do your time in the troupe, it’s worth it.
But I suspect you know all of this, are just continuing to troll.
I had forgotten about Lea – she was even technically a ringer, wasn’t she?? A low level one, but still.
Personally, I think ringers are more illuminating – or just as illuminating – as actual “dud” partners are. If you are handed a ringer you better be busting out some of the most amazing dances of the season. Not necessarily winning, because there are so many non-dance factors that go into that, but you best be memorable at least. If you can take a Maria Menounos or a Joanna Krupa to fourth place AND pump out Emmy winning routines when given a ringer – then you aren’t just a good pro, you’re a great one. IF you are handed a ringer and can’t make them shine, you have issues. Big ones. If you ONLY shine when handed ringers (or people with tons of natural talent), you also have issues, but you’re in better shape than those that can’t even handle a ringer.
I agree with Courtney. It’s actually quite insulting to the ballroom dancers for them to bring in non-ballroom trained professionals. As if anyone can choreo ballroom. Can “anyone” choreo contemporary? Clearly not. Travis is a great choreographer, but he’s NOT a ballroom choreographer. Luckily, I don’t think he has any belief that he could be a ballroom choreographer and I also don’t think he needs DWTS.
Man what I would give for them to switch out Val with Gleb. In his one season on Strictly he proved that he was able to do a much better job and way more creative choreo with a partner simmilar to Ginger on paper but who had none of her dance experience. He really made her stand out and be one of the most memorable contestants that season.
I think Shannon is also out of the picture… there is an instagram post from official jlo dancers account saying that he is back to sytycd as a judge …not sure when it stars but he is in Australia now…
If they only pick one from troupe, I’m wondering if Shannon may have more of a shot at pro this season because of the way they made a point of featuring him and getting his name out there last season in bumpers & in Witney & Von’s Michael Jackson number. He may not be ballroom trained but neither was Allison and to me he has the “it” factor that has carried Witney since Alfonso’s season. I love watching Witney even if she isn’t the best choreographer. I guess we’ll find out soon.
@Jope
There was a repost of an interview with Shannon from when he was a judge on SYTYCD Australia back in 2014. From what I can see, the show wasn’t renewed after 2014 in AU. And his twitter had him back in LA last week, in Runyon Canyon.
I’m not so sure why so many are convinced that there will even be any promotions from the troupe this season. It’s not really something that has happened a lot in recent years – Sasha got a pro spot last season, but he had already been a pro once before; ditto for Lindsay the previous season. The last time a troupe member that hadn’t already been a pro once before got promoted to pro was Henry & Witney in season 18…and Henry got downgraded back to troupe the following season. On paper, it seems like you’re far more likely to get downgraded from pro to troupe than you are to get upgraded from troupe to pro these days…plus there tends to be a lot less upheaval with the male pros on this show than the female ones. Assuming all of last season’s male pros return (and with the exception of Sasha, whose casting largely depends on whether they can find a partner for him that’s the right height, I don’t see why they wouldn’t), that leaves maybe 1 spot open, if they manage to cast 7 female celebs and 6 male ones (and the past 2 fall seasons, they’ve cast more male celebs than female ones). Two open spots if they can cast 7 female celebs and they’re all too tall for Sasha (highly unlikely). If there’s one open spot, I’m guessing it’s most likely going to go to Alan, cause he’s got more experience (and has actually partnered a celeb before) than the 3 new guys. I’m really having a hard time imagining a scenario where there would be (2) open spots for male pros…
Tell you one thing about Sasha, if he was given Simone or Laurie, I could see their freestyle being outstanding. He loves his tricks and flips etc and with no rules, I can honestly see them doing one hell of a freestyle if given the chance.
You have to be good enough to GET TO the finale to do a freestyle, though.
I couldn’t see how someone like her doesn’t make the final unless she’s a bad dancer in a stacked cast. Boring choreography wouldn’t be enough to stop her in my opinion. She’s bound to be a good dancer based on previous gymnasts, she’ll have a big fanbase and she has a bubbly personality that suits the show. I know you couldn’t say until you see the cast but I can imagine her being the closest to a automatic finalist and maybe even winner since Alfonso considering her golden girl status. Having said that, the favourite from the cast announcement hasn’t won in the last three seasons so you never know.
Anyway I’m going off track so apologies! If I had to predict I’ll say Sharna, Witney, Lindsay, Allison, Karina, Mark, Val, Keo, Tony, Artem and Sasha will all be back. Leaving two spots if their are 13 celebs. Hopefully Emma takes one of them!
If it’s true that Val has already met his partner, then can we assume he won’t dance with one of the Olympic gymnasts? I would expect that if Simone is on dwts, she would get to pick which pro she wants, and that given Aly’s influence, she might want Mark. Given that Sasha didn’t have a great season with Kim, I hope that Simone would be with Mark rather than Sasha.
Could Derek dance this fall season? If SiTR has been pushed back?
Worth a reminder that Nastia is out there as well. No doubt she’ll give Sasha a glowing reference if that question came up.
Charlie White, M8. A great dancer with a decent choreographer. He SHOULD have been in the final over Meryl, but once the showmance got going nothing was going to stop it. You just never know what factors are going to play into it. You can never count on seeing a freestyle from someone. I wonder if Sharna and Charlie had been lighter and less driven if they could have made it. Derek and Amy made it to second place that season and she was missing two feet and didn’t have nearly the name recognition.
Just saying that you can’t count on someone making the finale just based on their name.
He didn’t say he “met” his partner, marintx, he said he “spoke to” his partner.
SitR isn’t Derek’s problem this fall, Hairspray Live is. I doubt he can do it. But one never knows with Derek. He’s not exactly a slacker. He said today that he was going to be working with Julianne “very soon” – although she’s made no noise about being back to judge so I’m inclined to think they have something else up their sleeves – besides MOVE Interactive that’s been going on for a few weeks.
PH, I can’t seem to find it now, but I thought I saw something about the Dizzy Feet Gala with a list of performers, and Derek and Julianne were on that list. I thought it was either you or KB?
But now that I think of it, if performers for that gala have already been announced, he wouldn’t be saying he couldn’t talk about it, right?
I think I just talked myself out of what I’d originally thought about Derek not being able to talk about what he would be doing with his sister…
We posted about it a long time ago, Lori – Derek and Julianne are being honored by Dizzy Feet Foundation. Not quite the same thing as “work”…but then this is Derek we’re talking about so who knows with him.
http://www.purederekhough.com/2016/06/21/julianne-and-derek-hough-to-be-honored-with-inspiration-award-at-2016-dizzy-feet-foundation-dance-gala/
Female
Sharna
Edyta
Karina
Witney
Anna
Emma
Male
Mark
Val
Tony
Louis
Keo
Sasha
Just my opinion: I think Jenna isn’t getting as much appreciation as she should for being a GOOD dancer. I think she has potential to be a good pro. I think on social media, her persona may come off as intimidating and thus it may read as her being immature or vain, but we don’t really know her personally. but I think she actually is a really really really sweet, hard working, and deep person. All the choreographers seem to love her on SYTYCD and she has a lot of friends from SYTYCD who are really close to her and say she has a good heart from the interviews. and she’s close with all the DWTS people. She also seems pretty low key about Val for the longest time.. I don’t see her using him for fame or bragging about him. She was low key when someone asked her if she was dating Val. She did a terrific job on SYTYCD kids and seemed really sweet to her child, and she choreographed a bumper that was excellent… She lights up when she dances. She is also just as good at contemporary as she is at ballroom. She won the DANCE AWARDS in 2012.. FOR CONTEMPORARY. Also, her fitness blog is NOT to throw shade!! she was trying to inspire others. I’m nearly positive she was not trying to make her friends feel bad…. That just sounds off…
Feel free to say that I’m a Valenna shipper, which im not exactly.. But I feel like people are misreading her.. I think she’s genuinely a great girl….
also i wonder why they havent invited brittany back? the girl was in ed sheeran’s music video.. with 1 billion views. she’s a great dancer….
Derek saying he was going to be working with Julianne “very soon” raised a teeny tiny hope in me that they could be taking over Mandy Moore’s job on DWTS and choreographing the pro numbers or at least choreographing something for premiere night.
I feel like I’ve explained this multiple seasons before, but I was told by someone in the know that Brittany was let go due to “maturity issues” – basically, they weren’t sure she would be able to partner a celeb at some point. Being a “great dancer” that danced with Ed Sheeran at one point doesn’t mean much if you’re dumb as a stump.
ETA: Leaving this explanation here, and also throwing in that someone mentioned upstream that Brittany has a gig dancing in a Vegas show right now. So there ya go.
Saying that you’re “not exactly” a Valenna shipper tells me that you’re a Valenna shipper, Allison. But it’s fine – everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Like our source, Deep Throat, who just yesterday referred to Val & Jenna as “a match made in ‘GAG ME'” in a text message. 😛
It takes a lot more than being a good dancer, as Brittany and Jenna are, to be a pro. Rob Wade was asked two seasons ago specifically if Jenna & Brittany would be made pro for Season 21 and he said, “Every single troupe member is more than capable of dancing on Dancing With the Stars, however you have to choreograph, take creative direction, deal with the pro, handle the pressure, interviews, workload. When Derek and Mark started it was easy because the expectations were so low. We didn’t have all the different dances and all those things. So to rush people through the troupe is not a good idea, but we’ll see where we are.” Jenna taught a little kid on SYTYCD which is light years different than an adult and they’ve already been voted off before the half way point.
I personally don’t think nor have I ever heard anyone say or think Jenna was intimidating. Annoying maybe but there’s nothing intimidating about her, imo. In Jenna’s season of SYTYCD, S10, the viewers kept voting her off back then as well so from a logical perspective, is it really that she’s being misinterpreted by most people all these years or is it just her? Don’t know and maybe TPTB will take that chance in promoting her this season. We’ll find out soon. She may be very sweet but for me it’s a maturity and authenticity issue. I’m just not buying the sexy, hip-hop, Brooklyn thing she’s been trying to sell since she met Val because that’s not how or where she grew up & not who she is. She seems a bit lost.
I don’t think there will be a new pros this season unless mark is out so they will get Alan (i like alan but i think he is not ready to be a pro yet he still need some time , and the other guys in the troupe ” i really like shannon but if he still in the show i would rather see him in the troupe, bc he doesn’t seem to have ballroom experience he is always in the back and seems struggling in the ballroom group numbers !!, if they want a new male pro i suggest “paul karmiryan ” i think he is doing a good job in sytycd with his partner ans he is so charismatic and great dancer but he won’t make it this season bc of sytycd ,if they want him ?. And personally i’m not a fan of jenna ,i don’t think her choreography is that good , she won’t be a pro anytime soon unless one of the current pro girls (witney , sharna , lindsay , karina , peta , maybe allison and emma ) is out or they didn’t bring old pro , so i think we will have the same pros from the last season
expect peta ( maybe emma or allison will be her replacement ) or maybe they will stick with 12 couples so there is no need to have a replacement for peta !!?
This is my personal opnion ..
I think Keo is the best example that a great dancer doesn’t necessarily make a good pro.
Allison doesn’t need to be a replacement for Peta since she’s likely still on contract just like Artem and Keo who joined the show at the same time as her, Allison’s involvement depends on them finding her a partner not on them finding her a spot because she likely still has her spot.
Emma could maybe get Peta’s spot for S23 since they obviously haven’t planned to give it to Jenna who will be busy with SYTYCD on DWTS’ premiere night.
@Allison- I never said her BLOG was throwing shade. It was her comment about flat tummy tea that was the shade. She knows full well that Emma, Sharna and Witney use it. Maybe she wasn’t trying to be disrespectful but it was. If she’s going to write a blog then she needs to learn how to articulate better and not be insulting to her co-workers.
Sorry, I’m not trying to argue with anyone on here but I don’t like someone twisting what I said.
It’s kinda funny how often people have to make excuses for what the fam say because they are too clumsy to know how to avoid offending fans of other pros…At some point, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Geri, it came out today that he and Julianne are performing at the Dizzy Feet Gala, in addition to being honored. I suspect that’s what he was talking about. But it would be amazing if you were right.
Jenna, intimidating? LOL. Um, no.
Jenna danced with a child on SYTYCD – a child with dance training. She didn’t choreograph for the child, or even teach the initial choreography – the choreographer did. She didn’t pick the wardrobe, doesn’t have to do weekly interviews, etc etc etc. The two shows CAN’T BE COMPARED when determining if someone would be a good pro on DWTS.
PH, I agree with you. Her experiences on SYTYCD can’t be used to judge how she’d fare as a pro. We have little to no info on how we can judge her as a pro. Until she gets promoted as pro (which might be in longer than expected), we can’t judge her based on assumptions or thoughts. I’m sounding really preachy, aren’t I.
i think the pro list will be announced after the olympics. i would like to see some new pros to keep the show more interesting
Honestly I think we aren’t going to see much of a change from the pro lineup
From last season….which is good but I honestly hope and pray that Allison is back and Jenna doesn’t become a pro. normally I would say I hope keo is back but I’m really hoping he is back next season after his work with Jodie.
Hit submit too early: as for the troupe, I put some thought into this and I wouldn’t change a thing other than get rid of Jenna.
My wish list fir pros are:
Emma
Alison
Sharna
Lindsay
Edyta
Witney
Karina
Mark
Keo
Val
Sasha
Shannon
I don’t think we need the troupe at all. The pros can fill in. If the troupe is eliminated I would like to see Alan given a chance. Definitely need to get rid of Jenna.
Take a few days off – and wow!
First, Thanks to the mods for all of the time and starting us off for s23.
Sasha – I normally love his energy and positivity, but I agree he played it too safe with Kim. I hope he gets another shot though because I prefer his smiling energy to the “Im so stressed out” energy of a few pros.
Tony – do we really think he could be back? I guess if theres a really old or tall partner – maybe. Otherwise, he seems checked out and I really haven’t heard a lot of fans pulling for him recently.
Maks/Peta – congrats to them! But am I evil for wanting some Maks-free time?
Keo/Artem – I don’t know why, but I just feel that they have fallen out of grace with TPTB. Can’t put my finger on it – but the energy just seemed different last season.
Mark – please, please let him be back. He is by far the best male choreographer left. (assuming Derek is out). Can they give him a FUN partner, please?
Emma – anybody hear anything about why she wasn’t on last season? Any rumblings, mods? I hope it was her decision, and nothing else. Love her positive energy too!
Linds/Wit – short of Linds becoming preggers, I see her back – and possibly the “lead” female pro. She really has connected better with viewers the last two seasons. And Wit has kind of fallen off IMO. Linds choreo etc, seems to be going up, and Wits seems to be going down.
Val – I used to give the guy some slack, but he has completely changed in the last 1-2 yrs. Or maybe its just what he shows to the public in the last 1-2 yrs. (The mods have had him figured out for a long time – lol). Its a sad day when I would rather see the overly arrogant, im-so-sexy Val attitude, over what we get today. His latest little faux pas shows just how much he HASNT learned. Speaking of which – any news on his lawsuit or if it was settled?
Jenna – I totally believe that was a slam on her friends and their tea. And Im not sure how anyone who watches her online activity could conclude that it wasn’t. She routinely ignores anything that promotes her supposed friends (i.e. – did she even mention Wit/Linds had a tour?) But she doesn’t miss an opportunity to associate herself with people who she thinks can promote her popularity. (i.e. – posting with Meryl and showing a pic of NYLE and Peta in her post to wish Peta a happy bday). Any single one of those is no big deal – but its a pattern.
And excellent point MODS – that she was recently dancing with a professionally trained CHILD, not an adult with their own decision making abilities,or possibly physical injuries.
And as far as those shippers go – I can’t tell who is more deluded – them or Val/Jenna. I would totally believe that both would engage in a showmance, but that comment from DT – “a match made in GAG me”. Does that imply they are a match? Or was it more like a “match” due to their same (disgusting?) behavior?
Lastly – congrats to Derek and Julianne on the Dizzy Feet honor.
Anyway – enough of that. Hope the MODS had a great summer – looking forward to s23!
@sarina – Per DT, I guess they ARE together, but DT questions the sincerity of it. Gets the impression that they’re doing it more for attention than any sort of genuine affection for one another. They both like attention, and they both overestimate their own level of popularity and attractiveness – so why not share those interests together? Hence the line “a match made in GAG ME” 😛 I’ll admit, I got a hearty chuckle out of that one.
Thanks Court – your response about doing it for attn made me chuckle.
Is this a little more sibling rivalry and now that Maks got all the attn for the engagement and baby, poor little neglected Val has to get some attn? (even its from the deluded shippers-lol)
Lets see if she disappears again when he gets his partner and has someone else to gain attn for him. Beginning to really appreciate the DT comment even more – – GAG!
I would like to start with how very much I love this site and appreciate all your hard work. I am very big fan of DWTS and it is always great to come here and get all the latest. Having said that, I may get banned for this comment, but I do feel strongly about it. I cannot understand why you would refer to Brittany as “dumb as a stump” I think that was totally uncalled for and certainly unnecessary to say why she is not promoted to pro. You could have just said they don’t think she is on the pro level. Even have left it as “maturity issues” not the nicest thing to say, but not so hurtful as that comment. Someone maybe young and not the most mature, but can grow out of that. You just called her dumb and I think you where wrong to do so. You say your site will delete rude comments and I agree with you, but I think that was very rude. Thanks for letting me vent.
Your opinion, PJC, and I’m just repeating the way it was explained to me – not gonna sugarcoat it for persistent Brittany fans that chose to come here and bemoan the fact that she’s not in the troupe any longer and how it’s “sooooo unfair” because she’s “such a great dancer”. Takes more than dance skills to hack it on this show. Life’s unfair, PJC, and not very nice sometimes – truth hurts.
Very sad how they’re talking about Britney behind the scenes. She’s still so young and may need a good mentor in that dog-eat-dog business. I do not for a minute believe she’s dumb as rocks. I can see that she’s not the stereotype the show is looking for and fear that Emma and Sasha will suffer the same fate, hope not.
Brittney isn’t cut out to be a DWTS pro. I’m not cut out to be professional basketball player. Doesn’t mean we both can’t have successful careers in other arenas. It’s not the show’s responsibility to provide her with a “mentor” to help her – her time in the troupe was her mentor. If she can’t hack it, it’s not their problem. This topic has been beaten to death; MOVE ON.
I agree with you about Brittany, Rose #111. I rather see Brittany than Jenna in the troupe eventhough some people think Jenna has a chance to be a pro someday. Same goes with Hayley. She’s still learning. Just like some of the male troupe she also lacks of ballroom experiences. No doubt she’s a good dancer but I don’t see her as a pro. She might be teaching but just as Jenna she teaches kids too. I think some of the troupe is just meant to be…in the troupe. I don’t even understand why the show created this “troupe”. They managed not to have them in the past and the show was still fun to watch. I personally think the troupe has been utilized excessively as a distraction by some of the pros for their lack of choreography. It’s almost looks like “use troupe as much as possible and our dance will look fierce”, only not.
Just had the visual of Jenna actually not being asked back at all and what Val’s reaction would be. If I remember correctly, she was almost off completely a couple of seasons ago and he was pissy at the thought on twitter, being his protégé and all. I picture Val throwing a fit. Less because she is his gf or hook-up or showmance or whatever she is and more because he fancies himself a big shot on the show and therefore able to exert his imagined influence on who the show should promote. I wouldn’t get too cocky if I were Val, TPTB sent Maks’ troupe peeps out on their rear after his royal tantrum during Hope’s season.
On a funny note. I found Val’s response in 2012 after one of those booted from troupe was a fam member:
“Everybody makes mistakes,” Val tweeted. “Well #DWTS just made a BIG mistake by not bringing @KikiNyemchek back! Clearly one of the best dancers on the show… Unfortunately no one cares about honest work and talent anymore. It’s about kissing a** and cutting corners … Anyway stay up my brother.”
I guess a huge ego & not understanding who you work for runs in the family.
Of course, what do I know. Watch they make her a pro this season. A 6th season in the troupe seems pointless and a record at that.
I like Brittany but I’m ok with her not being a pro. Are TPTB actually only keeping people in troupe that they can see as future pros and if yes are they really preparing Hayley and Shannon to be the next 2 Contemporary/Jazz pros struggling through Ballroom/Latin?
It kinda seems ironic that they were very fast to decide that Brittany isn’t cut out to be a pro which is fine but are giving Keo chance after chance and just peretending he is cut out to be a pro.
Is it actually in any way possible for TPTB to make Jenna a pro this season since she apparently still has commitments to SYTYCD and has to appear in their Finale which is on the same night as the DWTS premiere??
Not only was Shannon often in the background of ballroom and Latin routines, he was often relegated to hip-hop/jazz accompaniment, or peeled off altogether. What I especially remember is him falling on the Paso walks in Doug and Karina’s Paso. He’s very charismatic, but since he’s already judged on SYTYCD Australia, couldn’t he be a candidate for DWTS judge instead of pro?
They are not going to pick an unknown guy for a judge when they could get either Maks or Julianne or hell, even Shirley Ballas who is not “well known” to the general audience, but she’s an expert and the hard core fans know her. I’d be shocked…stunned even…if they picked some dude out of the troupe.
@Geri – My comments on any possible troupe-to-pro promotions (including Jenna) are #46 & #77.
Just a general PSA for everyone: please try to at least skim through the previous comments on a post before asking a question. I know everyone’s just excited for the season to start and we don’t have a whole lot to report right now, but I feel like this post has just started to cycle through the same questions over and over – namely “Who from the troupe might get promoted to pro???” and “Is Jenna going to be a pro this season?” Maybe I’m just jaded, but I don’t think there’s a whole lot to say on either one, so it’s a tad frustrating that we’re just repeating the same stuff over and over again.
And I second Heidi’s opinion of Shannon as a judge – the dude’s an unknown here. Why would they take a guy who has done ONE season in the troupe (which is what I would consider to be the “entry level” position at DWTS), let him skip over being a pro, and promote him directly to judge? It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense…
I would rather see kym or Tony as a judge than Maks !
Again, I reiterate: I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE MAKS IS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED AS A JUDGE…as I already stated in comment #27.
I so very much agree with Princess Heidi that no way in Hell will they ever put some unknown from the troupe as judge. They have much better options. I would love to see Shirley Ballas take Len’s spot if he does retire. Real ballroom royalty, who won’t pull punches. I also want to say I’m not a Brittany fan. I barely know who she is. I just thought it was harsh to call her dumb. I don’t bemoan anything, I just stated my opinion.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t suggesting that I think TPTB might be considering Shannon as a judge. My post was more an appeasement to Shannon fans who want to see him as a pro. Personally, I don’t want to see him as a pro, so I’d rather see him suggested for judge, even though I agree that’s improbable and I’m not at all expecting it. Apologies to Shannon fans, I guess. He’s charismatic, but I just can’t deal with the suggestions of him as a pro.
And I’ll immediately follow that up with another apology. I don’t want to sound like it’s not OK for Shannon fans to suggest him as pro. Sorry about that.
Why bother bringing Keo back? He doesn’t seem to get along with anyone (partner or otherwise) and the audience at home doesn’t care for him either. If they want a non-white pro, they ought to get a hot Latino or Latina who would be able to kill the Latin dances at least.
I hope they upgrade Alan to a pro as he’s adorable.
You don’t speak for the entire audience, Kerenza. And the fact that you assume that all Latinos are automatically good at Latin dances is a bit…racist.
Also, pick one name – Luke or Kerenza. Not both.
I might be beating a dead horse here (though I did skim the thread), but I wonder if Jenna’s contract with the show expired. She’s been on for what – 4 or 5 seasons now? I wonder if the shoe might want to give someone else a chance and so they cut her off, leaving her free to do SYTYCD
thanks for all the discussion about jenna. i really appreciate it. ah, im sorry, edee, i misread what you meant. i genuinely thought someone was mad at jenna for something she didn’t mean. and we’ll never know what is going on with jenna and wit and linds and sharna behind the scenes.
as for val and jenna, ill let them live their lives.
she is a great dancer and maybe one day she’ll be promoted. nonetheless, she’s still fantastic and will find a career beyond DWTS.
as for brittany, i’m sure she’s okay that shes not on dwts. and while hardcore fans will miss her, she has moved on to other things. we can’t always get our way, and show business is hard. they’ll promote the next person.
thankful that lindsay is doing so well on this show. really appreciate that she got a second chance after her first season with victor. hopefully witney, who is a star nonetheless and most popular female pro possibly, can have a good season. and who knows, maybe jenna will get promote one day and get the opportunity lindsay is getting to show what she’s capable of.
First off, thanks in advance to our mods. I love having such a well-run site to chat about the show and hear about spoilers and behind the scenes info!
Personally, I just have to say hell no to ever having four judges again, regardless of who the fourth is. Its too much, and it takes away time from the dances/packages. The only judge at this point I would be sad to see go is Bruno. He’s ridiculous, but he is the most consistent/helpful in my opinion.
As for pros, I will reiterate what I said upstream that we need some new dynamic male pros. With what we’ve got, I’d keep Mark, Sasha, and maybe Artem and bring into three new guys with ballroom/latin skills and teaching experience. I do miss Tristan a lot, even though he wasn’t the best choreographer.
For females, I’d keep Sharna, Lindsay, Karina, Edyta and add back Emma. I’d love to see Kym or Cheryl back but I don’t see that happening.
I would also scrap the troupe entirely. Bring in extra dancers as needed, but there are way too many troupe heavy dances for my taste.
I can’t wait for the season to start.
@Allison
I guess I was a bit shocked when I saw you rate Witney as the most popular female pro. I’m so surprised by that. What is it that makes you classify her as the most popular? Just wondering.
I’m getting really tired of the troupe too but apperently TPTB don’t know how else to get dancers who are prepared to be pros and at least it seems to have worked for Lindsay…
They ought to just do away with the Troupe.
Now that there’s no longer a 2nd night save for the first two weeks and finale week, there’s really no need! I don’t like how the dances which are performed weekly now include a good bit of Troupe participation! Originally, that was supposed to be for the Supersized Freestyle idea they came up with for All-Stars season but continued with it. Now ALL dances seem to be supersized with the inclusion of the troupe for most of them. And it’s not always a good thing as some times, the troupe makes the star look lost, a la Willow Shields and Mark Ballas in their Hunger Games routine.
I’m really split on the troupe. I agree 100% that there were too many troupe heavy dances the last few seasons. On the other hand, I understand that having a troupe allows TPTB to evaluate a newbie. Obviously they feel (and the mods seem to support) that Brittany isn’t cut out for being a pro. So giving her a trial run in troupe was the right thing.
While I am still split on whether Keo should stay or go, I wonder if TPTB think (in hindsight) that a season in troupe would have benefitted him? I don’t know, but it kind of makes sense especially for the younger dancers to learn the show ropes before being paired with a celeb.
Mods – anyone know why there were only two female troupe members last season? Sorry if it was discussed and I have forgotten it, but I am curious. Honestly, at the time I thought it was to give Jenna more screen time leading to more fans. Especially since they didn’t use Emma at all. Or maybe they just knew Edyta would be out very quickly and they could use her. Anyway – just curious, so anything to add?
And as always – thanks to our own pros – i.e., THE MODS!
I think we read/heard/were told that Emma decided to not do Troupe?? I honestly can’t remember.
@sarina & PH – We did – were told they offered Emma a spot in the troupe, but she (wisely) declined. Not being in the troupe was her call, not TPTB.
We have indications that Val, Sharna, and Artem will be back and of course nothing is set in stone but I’m guessing they probably will be pros this season. I’m also guessing they’ll keep Keo on the roster. Not sure if Mark or Tony are returning or not, but Mark’s tweet to Laurie Hernandez could be an indication he will be back. I saw it mentioned about but I did see that tweet from Corky from a few days ago and I think he might be the “throwback pro” we seem to be getting lately. I’m thinking Sasha might be out, especially if this is true, even though I think it’d be a real shame for him not to be because imo he’s a much better pro than most of the others I’ve mentioned thus far.
As for the women…I already mentioned Sharna and I think Witney and Lindsay will also be back. We know Peta is out and like many have said Jenna will probably not be able to be a pro this season either. Not sure about Edyta, and Karina is kind of up in the air with her current contract ending. We know Allison wants to come back and I think they will give her a spot, and I think there’s also a decent chance of Emma returning. I’m also hearing Kym may want to do another season but if she does I don’t think it will be this one.
So with all that said my predictions are:
Sharna
Val
Artem
Witney
Keo
Lindsay
Allison
Corky
Mark
Tony
Two of Edyta, Karina, and Emma (guessing the former will NOT be on S23)
If there is a seventh female pro: The third of the three I just mentioned
If there is a seventh male pro: Most likely Sasha
Corky? Did I miss something?
If Corky is really back I’m guessing they have an older contestant that requested him…
All I’ve seen Corky do is request to be verified by Twitter – he used DWTS starting as his reasoning, but I don’t know that it actually means he’ll be on this season. I think he just wants a check mark by his name 😛
EDIT: I don’t see anyone really requesting Corky – he was only on 2 seasons and didn’t make the finals of either season. He hasn’t been on the show in 6 years. At least Edyta had been on multiple seasons when she had left…
I hope your right. I’ve been to big of a fan of Corky.
Oops! Should read. *I’ve NEVER been to big of a fan of Corky.* Sorry!
I was gonna say…lol
He said the reasoning for being request was because of the upcoming season. Maybe he’s a pro, but I suppose he could also be involved in some other way.
*Oops meant reason for the verification request, sorry 😛
Thanks Courtney – glad Emma opted out. But I do hope she is given another chance at pro. She’s a bit quirky – but such a fun loving personality.
I get the story arcs and how its necessary for the show, but honestly sometimes the drama is worse than a soap opera. So Emma and her pleasant outlook are always enjoyable to me, not to mention I love her creativity and dancing.
Hi guys, I know it’s off topic, but did You read Nasta Lukin quote in her new book abot how she was treated by Dwts producers
“The package showed us getting frustrated, then a producer asked me a question that had nothing to do with the show or what we were doing. Were we frustrated and exhausted at times? Of course,” ….“But we never had an argument, and that is what they tried to make out of it.” “We had not seen it before and I was very disappointed in it, as I looked like a spoiled brat!”…
@Loren – No, I have not read Nastia’s book, but the story she tells aligns perfectly with what we were told happened with that package. As I recall, she was already about to leave rehearsal (it was the end of the day), and a field producer kept badgering her with loaded questions. They edited the package to seem like they were arguing when they really weren’t.
Court – on that subject. we know of plenty of times the producers edit and create drama. I can only assume that was done to hurt her votes.
What are some of the other most misleading packages you can remember? And do you think they ever use the packages to really “out” a celeb/pro flaw? Like Vonn’s farting?
lol – just hoping for a few laughs today while the weather sucks!
@sarina – I’m glad you mentioned Von – I have very strong feelings about how he was portrayed on the show, especially the treatment he was given vs. the treatment Antonio was given. I feel like Von was given a bad edit, more often than not – source said that Von was actually one of the more motivated celebs on his season, and was very eager to learn from Witney and improve his technique. NONE OF THAT WAS SHOWN. There was also actually a pretty adorable meeting that he had with Emmitt Smith (not sure if Emmitt came to rehearsals or Von met up with him elsewhere – but there was footage) where he told Emmitt that he wished he was as naturally good at dancing as he had been, and Emmitt gave him a pep talk to the tune of “Dude, I wasn’t good – I really had to work hard!” and I guess Von left feeling really optimistic and ready to work hard. Instead, we got footage of him farting and being late to rehearsal. Meanwhile, Antonio was barely rehearsing, constantly late, and usually tied up with other commitments, as well as just generally saying some pretty sexist/misogynistic stuff about women; note that none of that made it into his packages. Remember when he ranted about Sharna not being a team player after switch week? That rant was 45 minutes long; we only maybe saw 30 seconds. I would say both Antonio & Von’s packages were grossly misleading – the former was made to look better than he really was, while the latter was made to look worse. Yes, Von farted; but Von was also a really hard worker, and that wasn’t shown.
Other ones that stand out in my mind? I feel like Nyle & Tamar were both baited into looking bad by production by answering some loaded questions. I can’t recall if it was Bethany or Bindi (or one of Derek’s other partners, it all runs together anymore), but I feel like there was a package that focused on one small argument they had and made it look like a prolonged fight, when in reality it was over & done with in 15 minutes.
On the flipside, I can actually say that Hope & Maks’ packages were usually pretty spot-on – those two fought like cats & dogs most of the time, and didn’t leave the editors with a whole lot of warm fuzzies to work with. So what you saw in the packages? That was the real Hope & Maks.
I think all of the doubters have vanished about Maks/Hope. Hope has shown her temper and real persona numerous times in the last few years. Not hard to believe there would be trouble with a demanding Russian who thinks he is sex on a stick!
Kyle’s package was obviously done to make him look bad, and Tamar certainly claimed they did it to her. How about Andy Dick? either he was actually sane for those few months, or they must have had to put in overtime to get decent editing of him. I think he is funny – sometimes – but he clearly has issues. And was it Maks or Val that said they walked in on an incident btwn Sharna/Andy? Andy and Gary By stand out as the two that could have been difficult to shoot.
I think if they had edited gary’s comments – they may have actually made more sense! lol
@sarina – I don’t recall anything happening with Andy (other than him just kinda being emotionally fragile), so I’m not sure what the Brothers C are talking about. But it did remind me of a blow-up between Jaleel & Kym that didn’t get shown – I would say they definitely got the rose-colored edit, because Jaleel was known to be kinda difficult to work with. And speaking of Kym’s partners, I don’t know that I’d really say this had anything to do with editing, but I got the impression that Ingo was harder to work with than his packages let on. Kym seemed pretty frazzled after that season – I don’t think Ingo was mean, but he may have been kinda needy.
EDIT: Thought of another one – Val’s switch week rehearsal with Meryl. Apparently they made him look a lot better than he really was – I remember source saying that he was absolutely SCREAMING at Meryl like a drill sergeant. Maks was also hellish to work with that season, and apparently lobbed obscenities at crew members and was prone to angry outbursts.
oops – NYLE!!!
Well I would hazard a guess that maybe Maks didn’t like seeing Peta with James, but then again I’m not sure Maks needs a lot of provoking.
I did a quick search, it was Val that said it. And I found the interview where Val spoke about Andy. Sorry if I implied it was a package – it was actually an interview after andy was eliminated
here’s a link – so feel free to edit this comment out later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYX8reWwJc
I think it starts a little after the 2 minute mark. Of course Val didnt miss the opportunity to pat himself on the back!
@sarina – If I recall correctly, Peta & Maks weren’t even together that season – he didn’t start coming around again until season 19, because my source kept saying “Maks showed up to Tommy & Peta’s rehearsal again”, I mentioned it on Twitter, got accused of “stirring the pot” (cause apparently report things that actually happen but the fans don’t like is “stirring up trouble”), and then Tommy corroborated the story in his rehearsal package the next week. So if Maks was upset about Peta dancing with James – he was being a caveman, cause as far as I can tell, she was free and clear to date whomever she pleased.
I agree that Maks wasn’t with Peta s18, I just meant that maybe seeing her with James was riling up his Russian blood – and causing the angry outbursts.
A lot of people have said Peta looked happy with James and had fun with him. I didn’t really follow them, so I don’t know. But I’m sure it didn’t sit well with Mr. Sex-on-a-stick to see her happy with someone else – in “his ballroom” on “his show”. lol
I was too busy watching Charlie and Sharna, well until – you know.
I can see your point Kerenza. I would love to see an asian dancer on the show (sytycd has a ton dwts has none which is a bummer) and it would be super awesome to see a latina/latino dancer on the show bringing a home vibe to the latin dances. I was super excited when we first got Keo but not loving him as much as I thought I would.
I cant believe antonios rant to sharna was forty five min long! I would have been so mad sharna was wise for keeping her cool! I cant believe they never showed that meeting with von and emmitt smith waaaht. And the sexist comments from antonio hmph maybe he wouldnt have made it as far as he did if we had seen that.
Whats with catching sharna and andy in a weird position? I have never heard that before.
And I seriously cant believe Val was really yelling at poor Meryl? Girl was practically worked to death with Maks’ sniveling about never winning in a hundred years and stars on ice, what did val expect its a freaking tv DANCE. Didnt he break two of her toes by being waaaay too demanding too? Sheesh meryl is either realy sweet or a pushover, id be mad as hell. Maks has always bothered me I think when you are working and on tv goodness you have to work to control your temper. Like weve seen mark for example ot derek peeved but i dont think weve ever heard them scream or any of the female pros. Like emma and all her awful partners shes a tough cookie you never see her crack.
I think Peta had an amazing season with James and I guess I had my own theory it had something to do with trying to make Maks jealous. I guess I always wondered if the red lingerie costume she chose for their samba had anything or everything to do with Maks 🙂
Might not mean anything significant, but the official DWTS twitter account just invited fans to go to the Grove this Wednesday evening to dance with some DWTS people. I know they’ve done this in the past for season opening-numbers but the timeslot they gave is only two hours so maybe just more of a casual thing, maybe for promos? No clue who will be there but guessing it could possibly be an indication to who might be on the show this season.
They didn’t dare give Bindi a bad edit, I don’t think Courtney. I seem to remember Bethany getting hosed one week – can’t remember what it was about though.
The key to editing and knowing what’s real and what isn’t is to watch for cuts, or when you hear someone speaking over a video tape, or when there is no direct context – for example, the video of Tamar saying she was the best on the show with NO audio or shot of what led up to her saying that. Same thing with Nastia. The Bachelor’s producers are MASTERS at creating villians/divas by chopping up audio and video and splicing it back together – but if you are really paying attention you can see what’s happening. And it’s usually obvious when it’s not the editing.
Corky…..ok that’s pretty random lol. Definately a pleasant surprise if he is indeed on the show in any capacity this season. Love the idea of him as a judge too.
Corky? Well, I do respect him as a teacher, and could probably come to respect him if he’s on the show as a judge. As a pro? From what I’ve seen of videos from his competing days, I can respect him. As a DWTS pro? No. And honestly? I don’t know why. When he first was cast as a DWTS pro, with Cloris, there was just SOMETHING that I still can’t pinpoint, that really didn’t sit well with me. I just felt incredibly uncomfortable with him on the show. I didn’t care much for the dances he gave to Cloris, but they did seem to mostly suit her. And then his season with Florence? I cringed. I didn’t mind some of their dances, but I really wished for a majority of the time, that she’d had Tony as her partner. For all of his faults, he TRULY respects his partners (Kate excepted) and I really wanted Florence to be respected.
I don’t see Corky as a pro, but it is possible to be a judge. I would much prefer Shirley, but if we get Corky, I’ll have to accept it. He’s much easier to “deal with” for me, when he’s with Shirley.
@Jeny
DWTS had latino dancer Fabian Sanchez in S6 (with Marlee Matlin) but they got rid of him after one season.
I can’t believe that we are even talking about the possibility of Corky being involved in this season in some capacity. Not sure how I feel about it.
Aah, it’s good to be back and seeing the discussions here, crossing fingers I’ll be around more this season.
Okay, so for the life of me, no matter how much I usually cringe every time I see her face in my screen, I would like just for this once to see Jenna as a pro. Just this once, to see how would she be as a pro, whether that will make me dislike her even more or maybe even turn to like her, I just want to know.
Nope to the troupe guys. I can’t even tell them apart, why would I want to see any of them going pro then. It’s not like they did some outstanding bumpers last season or anything.
Honestly I’m not feeling Corky at all as a pro with either of his two ladies. I’d rather have Shirley, although she’s also my number one choice for Len’s replacement in Strictly.
Other than these though, I’d be content with the pros from last season, with the possible exception of Keo.
my only minor issue with him is this: he really catered dances to cloris’ personality and fun (which was wise becuase she got way farther than she would have if he hadn’t) but with Florence he didn’t really do anything too memorable or fun and she could actually dance. Basically, I have the same issue with him I have with tony lol.
I think they realized with Corky/Tony that they didn’t need them both to fill the role of “mature” dancer.
The mods are so correct in the fact that the producers have hired certain pros to fill certain roles.
My personal opinion is that they hoped Sasha would fill the “All American Boy” role that Derek had. To some extent, he did. He’s kind, non confrontational, funny and nice looking. Unfortunately, he just doesn’t have what it takes to fill those shoes.
I do hope they bring him back next season. I enjoy his dancing so much more than some of the others.
@Vin – I’m willing to cut Corky a little bit of slack with Florence for one reason: I’ve heard Flo can be a real C-U-Next-Tuesday. This comes from friends who’ve had to work with her down at the Indy 500 (she used to sing “God Bless America” at the opening ceremonies, but mercifully, that ended this year) and have experience some rather diva-ish behavior from her. I can’t imagine that Corky was completely spared from that.
I never would have guessed that….she always seems so nice.
@Vin – If you watched her season of The Surreal Life on VH1, you would see shades of it – she kinda threw Tawny Kitaen under the bus.
I’m not sure if this is 100% since twitter won’t let me check, but apparently former gymnast McKayla Maroney just started following Mark on twitter.
Update: twitter started cooperating again and she did just begin following Mark. Could this be a sign?
I never saw the surreal life after season one lol. It was so bad that it was addicting so I figured I’d stop watching before I got obsessed lol. Thanks for the info! I’ll check it out on YouTube.
I don’t know if it means anything, but according to Brittany’s Instagram she’s going to be at the Grove pop up DWTS thing.
the official DWTS snapchat just posted a photo and the caption was ‘come down and meet Val, Witney, Sharna and some of our other pros’
no shocks with those 3 …
I said it in the other post, but I doubt it means anything – I think they’re just trying to get as many dancers as possible at the Grove. I wouldn’t make any assumptions about Brittany being back.
It seems like they’re just trying to get as many dancers as possible at the Grove – at this point, I’ve stopped reading into who is going to be there vs. who isn’t. Seems as if TPTB just gave out a blanket order to all the pros, troupe members, and “extra” dancers they use – “if you’re in L.A. on Wednesday night, get your ass to the Grove”.
Brittany posted on IG the official DWTS poster and said to come meet her at the Grove. Alan did also. Britt was also in LA a couple of weeks ago fior meetings according to her snapchat. It looks like there is going to be a mixture of pros and troupe at the Grove based on who has been reposting the poster and saying they would be there
I can see that people are just getting lazy at this point and aren’t reading upstream…
Paula, you aren’t telling us anything that 5 other people haven’t already told us earlier in the comments.
I didn’t give much credit to Britt returning because of the Grove thing, but then one of her Baz castmates posted something about Britt leaving and her time on the show being too short.
So it at least sounds like Britt is not returning to Baz.
Maybe that means she is a troupe member for the season – maybe not.
DWTSgossip is reporting that Gleb Sevencho (spelling?) is, supposedly, returning to DWTS US version this fall to ‘replace Derek’ lol. Supposed to be announced at an LA event tonight? Maybe at the grove?
Everyone sit tight, I will whip up a post…
Holy Batman!!!! Didn’t see that coming. I can’t wait to hear more Courtney,
I don’t really care for Gleb as I have to admit I don’t really remember him from his first DWTS Season, but what I really wanna know is who was not asked back from last season’s male pros? Or do they have more female celebs this season?
Guessing they kicked Keo or Sasha to the curb (or maybe the troupe) or maybe Tony doesn’t want to return or TPTB are ready to replace him.
I’ll be so sad if Emma is “out” again. I don’t understand it. She was so funny and cute.
Breaking my heart, the thought of no Emma.
No,no, no! Emma can’t be gone. And Mark has to come back. No Mark, no reason to watch the male pros. He’s the only one that has a must see creativity. If Mark isn’t back this season, Gleb isn’t enough to hold the whole line. And if they replace Emma and/or the legendary Karina with that annoying, wannabe, troupe twit……
I am a little worried that Sasha tweeted and IG’d about the Grove but Emma did not.
Yay for gleb! Glad to hear that news. Not sure why they might not have keo after he finally showed he can deliver. Hopefully he just forgot to shave lol.
Hit submit too early. In regards to Tony I have a feeling he isn’t leaving anytime soon but on the off chance he isn’t a pro this season I would be shocked.
Sadly I could totally see that the producers don’t plan to have Emma as pro anymore 🙁 I remember that it was already reported back then (by Kristyn Burrt I believe) that Emma wasn’t even supposed to get a pro spot for season 21 (and Jenna and Brit being dropped from Troupe or something along those lines) but things turned out in their favor with Peta’s injury.
And with her not on last season either, it doesn’t look good for her 🙁
I wonder why she’s not that appreciated by the producers?
I really hope Mark decides to return! If not, I’m praying for an awesome celeb cast!!
Ugh I’m happy for Emma-kinda hope she can do both-Sooo sad if she can’t though. Thought she really came into her own. I, personally, think she wasn’t gonna take the BS of being down graded last season to troupe-that might’ve hurt her chances of staying on the show in the long run now. But the girl’s got her spirits up I give her that! ??
The possibility of no Karina on my tv screen every Monday is terrifying to me. That would be one heck of a bonehead move on the producers part.
What possibly NO Emma? WTH is going on. I love her.
And maybe no Tony? Then the possibility of Corky returning as a pro could be true. Eww!
Hey Courtney, Heidi, Vogue-take a look over at DWTSgossip-how reliable are they? They posted a bunch of names for season 23, mostly male pros but are they believable?
From what I have…. Gleb, Mark, Val, Artem, Tony, Sasha
Sharna, Allison, Lindsay, Whitney, and two open female spots. #Dwts23— posted on Twitter by DWTSgossip mean anything?
Well DWTS could do without Artem. How many seasons has he been on the show now and has yet to shine. JMO of course.
Like the fact that the male lineup contains Mark, Sasha, and Gleb. Happy Lindsay is a pro again as well but I could take or leave the other ladies. I hope Karina and Emma are the last two. Happy for Emma’s new project as I know she wants to work towards hosting in the future.
I’m just glad to see Sasha, Mark and Lindsay all being back as pros. The only three pros from last season that I cared about coming back.
I really, really want Emma to come back but it’s not looking good at the moment … sigh.
Who are those two female spots likely to go to?
Hmmm….DWTSgossip is tweeting about 13 pros….fall seasons have had 13 pros before….any info?
Many Fall seasons have had 13 couples.
@Vogue that’s what I thought;)
Add me to the list of people who’ll be disappointed if Emma really isn’t returning this season. She’s such a sweetheart and a wonderful teacher and dancer, and I feel she’d really shine if she was given a ringer or at least a partner that isn’t too polarizing.
Fingers crossed that Karina and edyta take the two other pro spots :). Saying that, loving the pros that are confirmed in already. I’m hoping keo is the 13th pro though.
Keo was at the event tonight, not that that necessarily means anything. But he was there. From my understanding the pros that were spotted were Sharna, Lindsay, Witney, Jenna, Hayley, Brittany, Val, Sasha, Keo, Gleb, Alan and maybe a few others I forgot. Allison, Mark and others were not, which again doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
Sharna did imply some “old favorites” were coming back in a Facebook chat she did with Sasha. Whatever that means. Gleb is the only returnee hinted at so far and I hardly qualify him as a favorite.
Kym was spotted there too!
I don’t think so, Bia – last I saw she was still on her honeymoon and Courtney didn’t see her when she was scanning the crowd on the various videos. Neither did I for that matter.
Well…
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJOxQ8LgkVt/
Love that some random person was great enough to let us know that Mark Ballas was sprinting through Newark Airport. 🙂
I also noticed Sharna said “old favorites” plural, would be back. Praying those last two are Karina, Emma, Kym or Edyta.
Instead of being a beyotch, why didn’t you link or send that the first time!! Jaysus, some of you people drive me to drink.
Also note that this doesn’t mean she will be on this season.
I’d say we can confirm Artem.
George Penacchio tweeted at him and he tweeted back saying “Can’t wait for you to meet my partner.”
As I say every season at this time – please give us a few minutes to update before you come rushing in here to share things we can see for ourselves on twitter. Thanks.
Yay, Sharna talking about ‘old favorites’ makes me excited! I agree with ray that she surely isn’t talking about Gleb, so I’m crossing my fingers for people like Cheryl and Karina!
At least so far this Grove event seems more like a fun low key thing to me, so as already pointed out, we maybe can’t read too much into people being there/not being there – but still fun to see who shows up!
According to @RannaOFarrah on Twitter, people were asking Kym Johnson Questions. Apparently she was there with her new husband just to say Hi and support the cast-not b/c she’s ON the cast this season-guess she’s definitely OUT?
I think the Kym thing could go either way. She wasn’t there dancing, just visiting. But I also don’t think she would admit if there was more to it. Plus it’s a little fishy since she literally just got back from her honeymoon in the last 24 hours, so she just happened to rush to the Grove to the DWTS thing?
I guess Sharna could count Allison as a favorite since she does have a lot of fans, but she was only gone one season. My fear is she’s talking about Maks and that would get me to tune out right there.
I would love it if kym is back….her and Karina are my fav female pros of all time on the show so getting both on one season would be ideal 🙂 (edyta is my third fav of all time so any combo of those three is great too). Sidenote, I’m in awe of how quick she can adapt after going on vacation lol. I have to get back on a Friday whenever I go on vacation becuase I need a two days just to get back into my normal routine lol.
I’d take anything from that source with a grain of salt, Mary Ann.
@Courtney ah I see, good to know;)
This could be something or maybe not, but they’re shooting the promo right now and it appears the pro we heard about yesterday are in gold and those who were not on the list (so presumably troupe) are in white…except Jenna is wearing gold. Could she be a pro?
@Julia I’ve just seen the latest Instagram Story on the official DWTS account and Witney looks like she’s wearing white/silver. So I guess outfit colors don’t mean anything.
I want Emma and karina! Super excited that gleb is back! I thought emma would be back for sure if she was house hunting in la :/
DWTS twitter has now officially announced that Gleb is back and are asking for question for him for a Facebook Live. Last season’s reception of the male lineup must have been really bad for them to seek out Gleb, who I love but who was barely a blib on the radar of DWTS.
Since they also seem to have brought Brittany back (promo shoot) I guess they are really trying to appease the fans… Shannon who was the only new guy people actually remember also seems to be back (promo shoot).
I think hayley , jenna , brittany and shannon are back because they were in the promo shoot …
Looking forward to new season of DWTS. Alisson and Gleb are back and that makes me extremely elate. Can’t help myself but can celebrities be revealed a little sooner by TPTB, I literally can’t waiy anymore. Wohooo.
I guess we can assume Lochte won’t be on this season whether he had signed on or not. What a tool.
Very happy to see Allison back. Still anticipating who the other 2 female pros will be.
DWTSgossip posted from Karina’s Instagram account that she’s supposed to be teaching in NC on 9/14 and 15 I think it is? They’re assuming no DWTS then-whether they’re right or wrong to assume, who knows. But if they’re right, sad to see a season w/Karina. Remember reading her contract was up last season maybe? She’s one of the best female pros in my eyes-oh well.
Any update on the whereabouts of Mark? He is not in Florida like we originally assumed he was headed.
If they need a Female Partner substitute, there is always the Del Grosso family.
I loved Ashley Costa on the show back in the day! She’s had a few kids-not quite sure she’s available but who am I to speak for her? I wish the producers would consider offering her an opening again-something tells me no:(
Is it possible that they’ll maybe give Gleb’s wife Elena one of the 2 free female pro spots?
Sad, sad news about Karina but I can’t say that I’m shocked. I expect she is one of the pricier pros now and perhaps contract negotiations broke down. I’d hate to think it’s about her age but…….
All the more reason though to wonder what TPTB have against Emma. Are they really so concerned about having the “bombshell” type and ONLY that? Funny but I’d have considered Karina that type too if on a slightly less obvious scale than Sharna and Peta. And I don’t get that vibe from Allison but there are youth and Emmy’s there to consider. If Jenna gets made a pro while Emma AND Karina are dropped, will there be fan backlash?
And I have absolutely no doubt’s what so ever that there will be fan backlash if Keo has indeed been dropped. Even if it’s only into troupe.
I’m so disapopintment to hear that Karina is out this season. My only hope is that they will bring Edyta back, but I’m afraid that they take someone else. So Whitney, Lindsay, Sharna, Alison and 2 more female spots. I hope that that is Emma and Edyta, but I’ m afraid that they will chose Jenna. I also thought that they maybe chose Elena, Gleb’s wife. Because if they really wanted him, maybe they said I’m in,but only If Elena is in too.
My ideal pros would be:
Karina,
Edyta,
Kym,
Lindsay,
Emma,
Witney,
Anna,(but I also don’t mind Alison or Sharna).
Male:
Gleb,
Mark,
Derek, (my fave, I know he is out),
Dmitry Chaplin,
And somebody new for 2 spots, (I also dont mind Artrm and Maks- I know he is out for good, I hope that Keo and Tony are out, and if Val is in, I hope he gets soneone without dance experiance)
Maybe the last two female pro spots will be taken by edyta and anna if emma is out this season
Gleb’s wife definitely fits the “bombshell” type the new producers have been going for. I feel like the 2 free female pro spots will be filled by either Edyta and Elena or Jenna and Elena if they can work that out for Jenna with her SYTYCD Finale commitments that coincide with the DWTS premiere.
It seems like for TPTB it was always kinda a choince between Emma and Lindsay, like they were keeping Emma until Lindsay was ready to be pro again…
I will be kind of happy if Emma is out for this season.. i never kinda liked her.. & esp. after the showmance drama she tried to pull with Alek just to hog attention made me dislike her even more.. it was so evident she was faking it with Alek just for the cameras.. That also kind of hurt her own partner Hayes’s chance on the show & he got eliminated early.. as people liked Emma more with Alek & dint care for her with Hayes.. i guess the producers rightly saw through that & cut her from the pro spot.. producers knows better what they’re doing, & i trust them 100%..& they won’t do anything wrong with their own show except making it better.
Anyways, that’s my POV only..
Your POV is BS, UN-Reality. Emma didn’t do any showmancing, the show was trying to get her to do it with Alek. As I remember, she really didn’t play along. It’s actually more possible she was cut from the show for not playing along with the showmance to the extent they would like. Unfortunately for some of us, there is a segment of the audience that actually thrives on showmances – see Meryl and Maks. It’s why the Bachelor is still going strong after 20 plus seasons.
You trust the producers 100%??? You’re delusional – and that’s putting it kindly.
No Karina 🙁 . Hopefully the powers that be have enough brains to get either kym or Anna for her spot (fan fav tough pros like her).
@RealityBites you trust the producers 100%? Have you watched the show from season 1? Have you learned anything about about how the show works? You make me laugh whoever you are lol
Totally agree, if Emma is paying the price for anything it’s that she told them to go fly a kite when they were pushing for a romance with Alek. I gained enormous respect for her when, in the skybox one night, she signaled to the audience that there was nothing to see as Erin was pushing the issue. It not only showed her integrity, but respect for Lindsay. I was actually surprised Alek played along with the script.
It seems that Brittany is back since she was in the promo shot. I’m praying that Emma is somehow back, love her optimism. It would be a bad move by TPTB to not have her in favor of an old school pro everyone forgot about or a new pro no one knows about.
Oh, and who speaks like that? “Never kinda liked her?” At least own your stupid opinions.
I agree PH. Emma didn’t play along with the Alek thing at all. That was completely TPTB. Even Erin looked uncomfortable asking about them.
I think if Emma is out it is because they already have the “All American Girl” in Lindsey and Witney. Yes, Emma is British but she still fits the criteria of sweet, wholesome girl next door persona. They try to keep a mix of good girl/bad girl in the mix.
It won’t surprise me if they make Double J a pro. Anything to keep Val happy. She would fill the “bad girl” role that Peta is leaving behind. Nothing like an engaged pregnant woman to throw cold water on a vixen role. Sharna can’t handle it all by herself.
Well I love Emma. And the fact that she stood her ground and didn’t give into a silly showmance, just makes me love her even more. Emma rocks!
The thought of not seeing Emma on the show any longer is so disappointing. And sad.
I’m surprised that Emma appears to be so low on the show’s priority list. She’s gorgeous, she seems happy regardless of who she has a partner, she doesn’t bitch or moan, she works hard, and she always tries to make her partner look the best that they can. She just seems like such a joy. I just don’t understand why those aren’t valued traits.
I’m going to miss Karina a lot, and I’m really interested to see who takes the other female pro spots. I’d like to see Edyta back, and I really, really want Emma back, but who knows. With Jenna, I think I’ve said this before, but I really have no opinion on her. I don’t like her hardcore fans, but she’s been on the show a while and she’s trained in ballroom/latin and cross-trained. She’s not owed a spot by any means, but I’m curious how she would do and I’d like to see her get a shot at it. I wonder if the SYTYCD schedule/contract would prevent it. I’d definitely rather see the return of people like Emma, Kym, etc. though.
@Molly
I never thought of Witney as a good girl, I always felt like she was somewhere in between.
Jenna Johnson is committed to SYTYCD up until Sept. 12 which is the finale of the show, unless she gets permission to miss it to be on the premier of DWTS for that night-still, I, personally, don’t believe it’s enough to bump her up to pro all of a sudden. I think if the producers wanted her as a pro, they would’ve done a while back.
@Alison – I heard someone say she’s like the head cheerleader in high school. So maybe a little of both?
I just don’t see her as a vixen. Too barbie like for that.
Yeah, I doubt Jenna is now a pro – they wouldn’t have given her permission to do SYTYCD (and yes, they had to give permission unless her contract is expired) if they had plans to make her a pro.
They’ll be a fan backlash if anyone is dropped. The explosion of social media over the last few years and the individual fanbases pros have gained as a result of that and the show means that TPTB can’t quietly dump pros and brush it under the carpet like they did for many years. That doesn’t mean they won’t do it as proven with this treatment of Emma, but it’s harder for them to do so. Just like when Sharna looked like being dropped in S19, Artem in S21, Emma last season and so on. I agree that Lindsay’s success has unfortunately come at Emma’s expense. As for Keo, no doubt his skin colour would lead to the inevitable backlash if he was dropped. For me that and his height is the only reason he hasn’t been demoted yet. I’ll be very interested to see if he is offered a new deal next year when I assume his contract runs out.
Hayes wouldn’t stay in the show any longer even if this ” showromance ” thing didn’t happen !!
Emma was clearly uninterested in all of this .. ! She only said .. she would like to have alek as a switch up partener , and the fans liked the idea of them being together (because both of them were single in that time),so TPTB tried to force this relationship To have more views bc it worked for them before * maks & meryl* , Alek kinda played along but emma didn’t and she kept focusing on her partner ,
and i think it was a mutual choice to not come back to the show because even after season 21 ended she kept [ #teamslayes forever ] in her insta bio , she is clearly not so interested in the show like before …. After what TPTB did to her !!! idk if this acually happened iam just guessing .. !
It’s not Emma’s way to get attention , she has been in the show for along time .. And she know that she has fans that loves her for who she is , she know that she doesn’t have to do anything to get votes , she is not desperate to get fame and attention like some people in the show !!
@Chayse
I’m so surprised that Emma’s traits aren’t valued either. When women who fit the show’s demo love certain females, that’s a good sign. I can’t picture many others having such a fun, heartfelt relationship & taking Bill E. & Michael W. where she did. And then there’s the unexpected partnership with Hayes! I really hope Emma is on. Such a waste to let her go.
Karina is irreplaceable. I look forward to her choreography, originality, personality and technique every season. I definitely am calling ageism on her absence. I hope these two continue to be successful in whatever future projects they take on. I’m a fan always.
The thought of Jenna ever filling the role of “bad girl” on the show cracks me up. She’s nothing of the sort & would look fake trying to. This is why I have an authenticity issue where she’s concerned. She seems to want to play any role but herself, if she even knows who that is.
“Jenna will fill the bad girl role” LOL. I don’t want to see that attention whore EVER as a pro.
Emma, to me, is the total package. Besides being beautiful and a great dancer, she is very classy, sweet, and mature. If I was a producer I would push hard for her to be a pro.
Can’t we have both? Emma and Lindsay are both amazing, Lindsay’s a great teacher and choreographer, and Emma’s teaching skills and optimism can’t be topped. I’d rather have Emma over any old school pro, and who else would they bring to fill Peta’s position this season? Jenna can’t do it because of SYTYCD, I had fancied her chances before, but after the SYTYCD thing, I gave up on it. I’m not as affected with Karina leaving because I only started watching in season 18, and that was really when TPTB started giving her partners that would leave before week 5. Although, I respect what she did with Doug.
@DWTSgossip is reporting a rumor of a first pro and celebrity couple announcement next week? Any truth to this?
Eh, this “backlash” is a tempest in a teapot for most of these people because the online fanbases are a small fraction of the viewing audience. I don’t think ANY of the women will cause a true backlash to the point people stop watching the show.
A pro and celeb announcement next week? All I can say is “Duh”. Probably. We’re getting close to the start of the show.
I see-expect to hear couple news-good point
Princess Heidi, I noticed you said you doubt any big backlash over the possibly dropped women, Emma and Karina. I do agree. I guess I just look forward to anything that ruffles the feathers of overly sensitive familia members! Like bringing Gleb back! Hope he gets a partner with some talent too!
But I do you think that IF they have indeed demoted or dropped Keo, the first (and only) Black pro, there will be some bad buzz around the move? I expect a bit of publicity about that on the entertainment shows and much more click bait online. Despite Keo’s shortcomings as a DWTS pro, he’s a young, handsome PoC on a TV show where the only other regular who isn’t white is Carrie Ann Inaba! To the casual fan, Keo is a “nice” guy who had his best season (partner) just last spring.
I think the vixen (Peta and Sharna), the All-American Girls (Witney and Lindsay), the androgynous type (Allison) and the old-school/classic bombshells (Karina, Edyta/Kym/Anna) really describes the way the female pros are probably seen by the show. Peta is now moving towards old-school bombshell and Jenna could fill her vixen role. So it looks like there’s one free female pro spot for a vixen and one for an old-school bombshell… I also think it’s very sad that Emma’s traits aren’t valued on the show.
Lindsay and Emma have actually never both been pros on the show, with the exception of S21 when Lindsay took over Peta’s spot at the last minute. It was Lindsay in S16, then Emma in S17/18/19/20/21 with Lindsay taking over Peta’s spot in S21 and now it seem to be just Lindsay again…
What’s up with these labels given to the women of the pros? Vixens? Bombshells? Androgynous type? Now I don’t feel so bad saying Gleb was eye candy lol
I just feel like the new team in charge that took DWTS over in S19 is paying way more attention to the pros looks than the previous team in charge did. I think this plays a bigger role with the girls but all the newer guys (Keo, Artem, Gleb) also seem specifically chosen to be hot. By the way Carrie Ann was the one who called Allison androgynous when talking about Allison and Riker in their Salsa…
I don’t see the pros that way and don’t think it should play a role in who’s chosen to be a pro but unfortunately it does seem to play a role.
if memory serves, the entire cast is due to announce on GMA on Tuesday 8/30
I don’t think that any of the pros are necessarily like the part they play on the show. I do think the producers do try and make them into different characters to try and have something for everyone who watches. Same for the guys. Mark/Derek/Sasha – nice guy everyone likes, Val/Artem – bad boys, Tony – gentleman who appeals to the older women, Keo – well he’s in a space all his own.
@Geri, I laugh sometimes at CAI with some of her choice in words. I swear a pro could have their partner face down and booty up and she would say she couldn’t see a connection. She’s a hot mess.
I dunno Colleen. Maybe for a minute. Just because entertainment shows try to create news doesn’t mean it actually IS news. Jodie was a ringer, a great get, and they were eliminated in 6th place – not that stellar. Anyone watching the show has got to realize that Keo is not a good teacher – I think that’s fairly clear. It’s also fairly clear that he’s more than a bit self centered – his first two seasons any time he spoke on camera he was pretty much “me, me, me” instead of talking about his partner. :::shrug::: How old is he? Maybe he’ll grow out of that. But he has to get better as a teacher.
At this point I’m thinking we may see Edyta and Anna fill the last two female pro slots if Jenna can’t do it, and if there is a 13th pro and it needs to be filled by a male pro, then I think it’ll be Keo or Alan. If it goes to a female then I don’t know who. And if the “only one of Lindsay/Emma” thing really is true it’s ridiculous for them to do that imo. Yes they have similarities but they’re not alike in EVERY way. And maybe there are multiple celebs in the same season who could use pros like them!
With Keo I always remeber how he just left his switch up partner Kim to go and sulk by himself instead of being there for her. He also didn’t seem to be able to help Jodie through her Cha Cha when she missed her cue and struggled to remember the choreo. Mark basically talked Bristol through all of her routines. According to Google Keo is 26 so not that young. Mark was younger then him when he partnered Bristol and he still managed to make her look decent.
Keo was at the promo shoot though so if they demoted him to Troupe TPTB could always just say they couldn’t find him a partner like they did with Artem in S21…
PH — yes his teaching should improve as well as his choreography , the only dance that i liked from him is the jive from last season … and i don’t think Jodie was the only good partner he got ! .. i think Charlotte McKinney ” the model ” would have been better if he had pushed her … she had some potential !
Edyta’s name has been popping up on here a bit. Does anyone really believe that she will return this as a pro? I don’t.
In my opinion, the only reason that Edyta and Anna did return was by request. Other than that, I think they are a thing of the past and more than likely will remain that way.
Let me correct that. As far as I know Anna was NOT by request only a necessity for an almost impossible situation.
@Sandy I agree with you about Edyta and Anna. I would die to see Edyta with someone great as her partner, but I think If they need someone to fill 2 or three spots beside (Sharna, Witney, Lindsay and Alison) I think they will take Jenna and maybe Kym, rather that Edyta or Anna. I really don’t know what to think, they let go Karina and Emma.
I hope that there is 7 male celebrities, so that they have to chose 3 more female pros. They will have to chose between Edyta, Kym, Anna, Jenna or Elena or even Emma?? Karina is only definitely out since she had other projects sceduled. I am sure that all of them would like to come if they are called back. Only female pros that left on their own are Julianne and Cheryl (and Edyta after first 10 seasons).
Lot of assumptions are being made as to why some pros may or may not be asked to come back-nobody knows the exact circumstances re. Karina, Anna, Emma or Edyta except them. Everything is always rumors and speculation and we, as the public, gotta take everything with a grain of salt and just laugh at the entertainment of it all. That’s what I do anyway. Been watching this show from day 1 and it has changed so much from the dance show that it was that if I obsess over all the pros and celebrities and crap that comes along with it, I’ll stop watching it and I hate to do that. So I just read the gossip and rumors and have a laugh and enjoy it for the entertainment show it is. Can’t over analyze everything about it.
Well, then you might be on the wrong site, Mary Ann – because we analyze and it’s not up to you to determine or dictate when that becomes “over analyze”. It’s also not your business to tell other people when they’re making too many assumptions.
Never said I was dictating or determinative anything or trying to tell anyone what to assume or how to feel or think. Anything I’ve posted has, simply, been my opinion; but I can see I might have ruffled some feathers? No problem-I can take my opinion elsewhere. Enjoy the season everyone!
I love it when people claim to not realize they were dictating to anyone – recognize the words you use, people. “Lots of assumptions being made” sounds critical of other posters – kinda hard to miss. “We gotta take everything with a grain of salt” sounds preachy – come on, this ain’t our first year blogging.
Words have meaning. I also love when people we’ve never seen before come to the site and act like authorities on all things DWTS and the media. How is it that those people don’t realize that will ruffle feathers??
Do you gus think that Dennis will be on this season? He was not in the promo shoot but he is soooo talented
Hahahaha…always love it when trolls admit to trolling too. 😀 And say they’re leaving and then they don’t.
@ Mary Ann
I don’t really get what you think is so entertaining to laugh about when talented female pros aren’t asked back for no apparent reason. We can try to understand it and talk about it or not but I don’t see how one can “just laugh at the entertainment” of that particular topic…
Been a longtime lurker(please don’t hate me guys) but just wanted to say I’m praying Emma comes back as she is my favourite pro and she has never been given a shining contender =and has made the finals with Bill Engvall. Making lemons out of lemonade. So disappointed Karina isnt coming back but she is too good for this show, imo. Shame about Derek not coming back- even though Emma and Mark are my favs, I see his innovation and last season felt dry without him(thank goodness for Mark). Much rather see him than a certain conceited shirtless, “sexy” somebody
Just ignore her, Geri. She’s a troll and has hopefully left.
Welcome Sophie. We don’t hate anyone…especially someone who can post respectfully. We’re glad you decided to comment!! Make yourself at home.
I don’t see Kym coming back as a teaching Pro this season, or any season in the near future. But i can – and would love it – see her coming in as a judge. I think the judging table would fit in better with her newlywed schedule, and she’s well qualified (more so than CAI, IMO). I have always loved Kym and would like to see her on our TV screens again.
Talk about true colors showing – LOL. No class.
Good morning, do we have any confirmation of who the other2 female pros are and if there will be a 13th pro. and is keo pro or troupe
+1 Miss Heidi!!
Does anyone know the exact number of celebs on this season? The reason I ask is because 7 male pros have been confirmed. So I was just wondering if there was going to be 7 female celebs/6 male celebs or 7 female celebs and 7 male celebs? Thanks!
@Trent I’m wondering that too. My current guess is 7 females (assuming Keo wasn’t demoted to troupe) and 6 males.
Yeah I think it’s either 7 female celebs and 6 male celebs or 6/6. There haven’t been more than 13 celebs on the show in one season since S9. Since not all celebs have signed on yet we won’t know till the anouncement. Alek signed on 12 hours before the anouncement in S21.
Thanks to all the mods for all the updates so far! Cannot wait for partnerships to start leaking and everything to finally start coming together. Glad to see Allison back, as well as some of the other pros. Shame to see that Karina is probably out as she is one of my favorites. Here’s to an entertaining, manipulation free (fingers crossed), season!
Thanks again!
Hi Sophie!
I’ll miss Karina as well. Hopefully she’ll have more time to dance in exhibitions. If I ever saw Karina and Slavik dance live, I think I might explode with excitement. Karina teaches and coaches ballroom dancers and has a ballroom dance studio in CA as well. She’s actually someone who I think would make a decent judge on the show.
Since Val officially announced Sharna, Witney, Lindsay, Allison, Artem, Gleb and Sasha as returning pros I’m assumiing those are the ones who already have signed on celeb partners – so 4 male celebs and 4 female celebs for now…
I’m another who is terribly disappointed we won’t have Karina. I know she’s moved on, still I will miss her, same as with Derek, I am thrilled for all his amazing opportunities and I want him to stay away from this show that throws so much negative energy at him but I miss him terribly. And I agree, I wouldn’t mind seeing Karina as judge.
Also, I’m thrilled to see Sasha on the line up, and I can only assume/hope that Mark Ballas will have a spot for as long as he wants.
And I’m still not over the idea that they passed up sunshine Emma, especially if there is no sunshine Kym.
How sure are we that the lovely Emma is out? Even if there is only a glimmer of hope that’s she’s in … I’m taking it. 🙂
If I was a male celeb who had the negotiating power to do it, that’s who I would request, Emma or Lindsay.
Interesting to see Val’s interview on GMA this morning talking about what to expect this season on DWTS.
He said, “We have a lot of different pros coming back. Some pros, from, back, back in the day coming back maybe.” Val made a motion with his arms to emphasize when he said “back, back in the day.” And since Gleb was already announced, it’s really making me wonder how far back a pro we’re getting and according to Val and before Sharna, they have both said old or back, back in the day pros, plural. Gives pause to Corky as mentioned before and who knows who else from way back when.
With all this talk of old school pros, I noticed not one person has mentioned or hinted at any new pros. Not once.
I guess if someone requests Emma specifically she’d be on again.
I’m not super excited for this season, yet. I’m glad to see Lindsay and Sasha back, but the other pros don’t really excite me. I’m sad about the possibility of no Karina and Emma (though maybe there’s still hope for Emma). Hopefully they’ll get some exciting celebrities.
Ok, last night I was scrolling through Instagram, and “based on your interests” popped up an account that seemed to have a bunch of spoilers…..but I didn’t follow them and now I can’t find it again! Grrr!! I know you folks like proof, but I swear I just spent an hour trying to figure out who this account was. I THOUGHT it was dwts_21, but alas, not correct.
Anyway, they were saying *and take this with a grain of salt, I again can’t find my source* that they felt sorry for Whitney because she was stuck with an unknown, Robert Palmer Watkins. Also that Jenna *may* be a pro, paired with Jake T. Austin. Not confirmed. Also said Val with Jojo and Mark with Laurie Hernandez.
Again, I AM SO SORRY that I didn’t follow their account, and i am so frustrated that I can’t find it.
I looked him up and robert palmer watkins is from abc’s general hospital
Amber just started following gleb on twitter.
@Jamie I’m pretty sure they’re just a fan account speculating over the previous rumors.
Matthew, it is not necessary to post the same thing more than once.
voguerista i didnt mean to post it twice. im sorry
Thanks, that’s ok.
Looking forward to Gleb’s return. I agree about Keo going back to Troupe. Respectfully disagree that Emma may have been dropped from the pro roster because she did not go along with the Season 21 “showmance.” I actually believe she, Lindsay and TPTB thoroughly enjoyed ridiculing Alek during the season and the last DWTS tour with of the “showmance” storyline, so who knows why both are not in the cast together.
Ignore dwts_21 on IG. They’re just parroting what other sources are saying while trying to appear “in the know” about this season. They’re not.
Okay, I’m just deleting people who continually run over here to “break news” before we even have a chance to update the post. WE HAVE TWITTER. I don’t know how many times I have to say this.
Yayyy! So so happy for Emma!
Ah, Emma you’re “brilliant” too!
Thanks for updating so quickly! It’s hard to believe you all have “regular” jobs, guys! PureDWTS – always the best! 🙂
OMG – EMMA!!!!! Thank God she is back.
Am I seeing Maks with Amber? Maybe the house hunting this week was a little pricey! lol
Nah – glad Maks and Peta both look happy, Maks has really turned his persona around. Or maybe he’s just hiding it better – either way, I am actually enjoying seeing pics of them together. Lets hope he keeps that calm, happy demeanor with Amber!
In other breaking news (lol), I stumbled across a major Jenna fan account. They are saying that Val/JJ are not together anymore. Whatever. Maybe there were enough people GAGGING around them for them to reconsider.
Two weeks ago I wasn’t looking forward to s23, Gleb, Emma, Sasha – I am here for it!
@sarina – Considering that there are screen grabs floating around of Val sliding into a fan’s DM’s, I’d say he & Jenna are no longer a “thing”.
No Karina??!! This season just got less interesting.
I’m so glad to see Emma back. I totally counted her out. She looks so happy to be on new season an with her new partner. I only want Edyta back now, and maybe they will bring back Dmitry Chaplin. You never know.
Now, we have seven male pros that are ‘in’, and five females. So, who’s going to be the last female? A month ago, I would’ve said Karina, but now, I’m really not sure. Are they going to bring in someone totally new, someone old school, or upgrade someone from troupe? I personally see them bringing back an old school pro, but I doubt it will be Edyta. I would have bet my money on Jenna, but Jenna has commitments to SYTYCD, so I’m saying no to her. I noticed in the promo that Brittany was back, but I don’t think she’d be the new pro. As for Hayley, I really don’t know, I still don’t think Hayley’s really ‘got’ ballroom dancing. I don’t see any promotions from troupe this season though Keo was probably bumped down to troupe because TPTB still need that diversity on the show, they wouldn’t totally get rid of him.
Where do you get 7 confirmed men, Alison. I only count 6. And who says there has to be another female?
Sorry, PH, I miscounted because Gleb was listed twice. Now it makes a bit more sense, but have they ever only had eleven pros before? Isn’t it always twelve or thirteen?
Any way I can find the DM Val sent to a fan? I don’t dislike V I just need a good laugh right now.
I think the surprise pro will either be Julianne or maybe Cheryl. Since they are making a special announcement on GMA, I’m guessing it’s Julianne. Or maybe it’s just wishful thinking – I would love to see her as a pro again!
I can’t wait to find out who Lindsay is paired with. In my opinion, her choreography is so fresh and exciting. Hopefully she gets a great one!
I wish I was a little mouse hiding out at the DWTS studios.. teehee!
Maybe as marintx says, the surprise pro is Julianne and she will dance with her celeb brother! Or is her fiancée still playing hockey? If not, maybe she’ll dance with him??
See the update, All!
No freaking way!!!!!! The official update is Maks is back as a pro!
Wow, wow, wow.
Speechless. This is going to be one interesting season. Maks is going to be in it to win it since he left on his first mirrorball win & won’t want to make a fool of himself. And I have no doubt there’ll be plenty of nostalgic Maks fans tuning in. Just wow!
Count me unimpressed! I’ve never been a Maks fan, I’m much more excited about the return of Emma!!!
Does anyone know for certain that Tony and Mark are in? I’m hoping Mark is but wouldn’t lose sleep if Tony isn’t.
If Tony is out, I wonder who they will give the elderly and more needy females to?
Not hating on Tony, he just isn’t in my top 5 male pros.
Happy to hear that Emma will be returning. She is a joy to watch. I hope that this partner is one that sticks around for awhile, so that we get to enjoy Emma’s dancing and her sense of fun.
Not sure how yet I feel about the return of Maks.
Hmmm, seven males vs. 5 females? Has that ever happened before? I don’t think Maks will be back, not as a pro anyway, I just don’t believe that TPTB will have an uneven number of males to female pros in a season. And honestly? The even more important reason I don’t think Maks will be back? Peta’s pregnant, he was already on tour all summer, and if he really was doing the show, it would be a huge commitment away from Peta and the baby. Peta will be about five or six months pregnant and by the end of the show, well into her third trimester. For Maks to be a pro would be him taking time away from his pregnant fiancée, which is the biggest reason I wouldn’t want him back. Never liked Maks much, but I think he cares about Peta, and I’m honestly not sure if being on the show would be the best for their family.
#Alison – It’s being confirmed all over social media and I think the mods are certain too. I trust them on this one.
Since Maks and Peta have been house hunting, it seems to me that they are settling down in L.A. for a while. This wouldn’t take him away at all.
It always cracks me up when Maks says he is leaving DWTS. Then gives interviews later and trashes the show, says he hardly watches it except for watching Val. Then there he is in the red room almost all season and a guest judge. He must have had a come to Jesus moment and realized that he sucks at acting and there really isn’t anything out there for him except DWTS. I learned a long time ago when Maks mouth is moving, he is lying. This is his 3rd return to DWTS after he said he was finished with the show. LOL!
People have to be away from their family for work to all the time. Unlike some, I don’t for a minute believe Maks is rolling in dough. From what I have seen, those studios appear to be pretty diluted and he likes to live quite large which takes lots of $$$$ in California.
I’m really curious to see what the big news is. It has to be either Jules or Shirley. Jules would bring the house down, and I dont see it, but then I didn’t think I’d have to watch Maks on my tv screen again so one can hope.
Also must add if Amber Rose is Mak’s partner, he will be back to the old Maks in no time. The temper tantrums between the two will be EPIC! And I just saw an article that is quoting him saying that when he won the mirror ball, it was with a trained dancer (Meryl) and that he wants to prove that he can teach someone to dance that is a novice and can win.
The ONLY way he’ll win is with another ringer. Ringers aren’t always trained dancers. Fact.
@Alison
Also, even though they’ve been house hunting forever, Maks & Peta already live in LA so he would just be going home to her at the end of the day. I can’t imagine Peta expects him to not work and just sit around all day and stare at her. It’s great for both of them because Maks knows how to manage his time since he did the show for so many years & so has Peta so she understands. The money ain’t bad either. I’m sure Peta will be showing up in studio & pushing for pregnancy votes. It’s a win win for them.
Maks thought he could make a career for himself after leaving DWTS. He then got a reality check fast as no one employed him for anything, no acting roles no nothing. Coming off the back of no proper work in two three years bar SWAY, the odd guest judge appearance on DWTS and a tour that didn’t even sell out 2k seater venues I’d say money is probably tight with a baby on the way. Darlene is spot on, without DWTS, Maks is nothing. It’ll be funny watching him bumbling around trying to explain why he’s coming back after saying he was done for good.
I don’t have anything against Ukrainians/Russians but 4 out of 7 male pros (Maks, Val, Gleb, Artem and technically also Sasha) seems a bit much in one season, I guess they gave up on having more diversity.
I’m glad to hear about Emma being back and I was so happy about Gleb, but if Maks is indeed back, his “surprising” return (and him becoming a first time daddy soon) is bound to overshadow everything else in the media and I would really hate that.
I wonder how Maks feels if Derek returns as a pro (slim chance but I just want to see Maks face) and Julianne as a judge. Now that, I have to watch 😀
The pro from “way way back in the day” that Val was talking about in the GMA partial pro reveal hasn’t materialized yet so either that fell through or it’s really Juliannne… Maks left after S18 which wasn’t that far back. Cheryl leaving after S19 wasn’t that far back either. Lacey already said on twitter that it’s not her.
They just did a pretty lame tease on Maks.
Thanks Court – didn’t know about the dm thing. I bet its cringe worthy. Or should I say Gag worthy – lol
If I remember correctly ( a big if), the first comment at the Grove was about proS (plural) from way way back. Do we consider Maks or Gleb to way way back? ehh – I wouldn’t. But then again I think that sttmt came from members of the fam, where superlatives and overestimating importance run rampant.
As much as I would love to see Julianne dance, doesn’t she have a lot to be doing? Like planning a wedding as well her other appearances?
And in saying that – judos to all of these pros who take on a season knowing they have major life changes going on. I can’t imagine trying to teach at that level, choreo, plan attire, etc while doing something like planning a wedding or dealing with a major family situation. I know they get paid well, but it does have to be monumental stress at some times and they perform live regardless of the other distractions. Kudos – I could never do that.
I just hope Maks stays grounded. Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening…Old habits die hard.
NOW if the big surprise was Derek Hough signing on to DWTS S23 with Simone Biles….I’ll be a happy girl….guess we’ll find out on Tuesday!
So from Courtney’s twitter I get that Tony being IN is actually a big question mark, is Keo still a big question mark or is he definitely out? They’ve now officially announced 5 male and 5 female pros and we still don’t have anything official about the last 2 male and 1 female pro…
7 male pros: Maks, Val, Gleb, Artem, Sasha, Mark?, ?
6 female pros: Sharna, Witney, Lindsay, Allison, Emma, ?
That would my ultimate wish to have Derek and or Julianne back! The show is sorely missing their genius choreo and their genuine charm and gorgeousness!
I know it can’t happen because of his schedule but how awesome would it be if they surprised America & the cast live on GMA by announcing Derek is back this season because he found a sliver of an opening in his schedule! I would pay to see the look on the C brothers faces. Especially Maks.
I loved when they did that with he and Nastia. And after the way tptb & Val treated Nastia, they can redeem themselves by giving Derek Biles or Laurie Hernandez. I secretly think that Maks being announced would make Derek want to come back come hell or high water.
All fantasy I know. But it’s a fun one.
@Maria D
If Simone were to ever do th show, Sasha would probably be her partner because of her height, and she also would request Sasha, they tweeted each other a few times about DWTS.
Why would TPTB have their biggest announcement today? To maximize excitement I think they would have waited until the cast announce next week. If a DWTS viewer ever watches GMA it will be then. I know their will be some big cast announcements then but there is much interest in the pros. In the past the last pro pairing announced was Derek, even during season 19 with Maks and Meryl. I still feel there is big news to come.
I love this website, the mods are awesome. If only you could work saome magic to bring Derek back.
😉
I think the magic to bring Derek back is already working…
I completely missed the news that Julianne is back as a judge. I remembered the announcement in the press previously that she was sitting out this season. Hard to keep up with everything sometimes.
As much as I get stressed out every season with who’s going to be on the show, I really love the planned strategy of tptb & unexpected surprises of the whole thing. It’s like the 10,000 meter track race where anything can happen. TPTB (who get last minute sign-ons), the fans (who cheer loudly for who they do & don’t want), and the pros & celebs (are they or aren’t they & do they even know until the last minute themselves). The joy of victory – Emma, Gleb, Julianne. and ?(Derek please Jesus), and the agony of defeat – Val, Maks, no Karina. Love the drama!
Oh and the best part of the whole race is this site, all the mods, all their amazing work, Deep Throat, and all the fans and amateur investigators who have made watching this show a must see event. ❤️
here’s a theory:
Mark with Terra
Sasha with Laurie/Simone
No Tony
and Derek with someone less favored to make the finals so that he MIGHT be freed up for Hairspray rehearsal
There’s room for Cheryl too. maybe their plan was if they don’t get Cheryl they’ll give Jenna a shot
I guess if Maks is back then maybe Tony isn’t needed to fill the “tall contestant partner” slot?
I wonder if it causes hard feelings when Maks returns and then there’s no spot for Tony.
Courtney
Do you know for that Maks is Amber’s partner?
I was so hoping Gleb would be .
Did Slavik finally sign up to be a pro?! IF so I will watch every single night this show is on and every single bts bit of dwts that they put him in. That would be PHENOMENAL and good recognition for him.
@Sarah, I don’t think that Derek or anyone with common sense would ever try to compite on Dwts, without trying to make it to the finals, so if he is in, he is in it to win it. And I also think that he knows in advance who his partner is. I don’t think that he will just show up and meet his partner on the first day of rehershal day, and found out that he has someone like Geraldo Rivera (female version). In my opinion he is the biggest star of the show, and he probably has some demands. And also everybody wants him as their partner. I hope that he will be a surprise male pro, and Edyta is last female. Can you imagine guys, Gleb, Mark, Derek and their choreography if they get ringers vs Val and Maks. I’m glad Maks is back, but I’m not a fan of Val. I hope that Tony is out.
I’m starting to think TPTB really took note of our cries in our wish lists.
I will not be happy if Mark is paired with Terra. That will be soooooo humiliating for him IMO and worst of all, there will be no way that they will win this season. I really want Mark to be paired with Laurie Hernandez. If the other pro’s get paired with big huge superstars, why can’t MB…???… Seriously…!!!…
Yes Carlos, you would see that we’ve already updated the post with that…
…if you read the post.
Guys, once again: WE HAVE TWITTER TOO. Give us a few minutes to update the post before you start repeating stuff in the comments…
ETA: We also don’t need 15 of you confirming so-and-so’s report that [insert pro here] said [insert statement here] on [insert social media here]. I could probably go delete have the comments in this chain because they are literally just redundant rehashings of things that have already come to light.
I admire Slavik so much, but don’t think DwtS actual format would be good for him with all those contemporarys and jazz and gimmicks… I’d rather see him on SCD.
Well, that took long enough for Jenna to be upped to pro. My feelings to her will remain neutral until I see what she can do. Who knows, the troupe to pro thing worked on Lindsay, maybe it will work on Jenna. As for her ‘thing’ with Val, I don’t particularly care about it. If they are a thing, or ever were a thing, they obviously were never public about it, so let’s just stay out of people’s lived. Besides, there are far worse pros that have been recently announced *cough* Maks *cough*.
I would have been seriously pissed if Jenna was in over Emma, but with Kym done, Karina done, Peta pregnant, etc., I’m ok with Jenna as a pro. She’s got the background and she’s been on the show awhile. I’m not jumping for joy, but I’m not dreading it either. Mostly, I feel like I don’t know her enough to have an opinion either way.
In general, I’m happy with there being a little bit of a shake-up on both sides- some of the pros were way too complacent last season.
#Courtney, while I understand your frustration, I will say that I don’t always see that you’ve updated the post. Especially one with as many comments as this one.
Sometimes I just scroll to the bottom to see what I’ve missed. If I ever repost something or talk about something I’ve seen somewhere it isn’t because I am trying to usurp the mods or be redundant.
You all do a great job and I think that this time of the season is especially busy for you. Hang tough and know that 99% of the people on here appreciate all that you all do.
And just when I think these spoilers can’t get any worse, they freaking do.
Why make Jenna a pro, especially now?! I’m not saying that just due to personal bias; let’s keep in mind that the SYTYCD finale airs in the same night as the DWTS premiere… How do they expect her to be in two places at once? Are they gonna pull a Power Rangers Ninja Storm and create a Cyber Jenna to dance in DWTS or something?
Not sure how I feel on Jenna as a Pro, but, I sure liked her on the last DWTS Tour. I hope she shines in that same way.
Also, serious props to the mods. I don’t know how you guys have jobs, lives, get everything posted so quickly, and deal with all the crazy conspiracy theories, fan-bases, etc.
I am also fine with Jenna being a pro right now, especially since we know Emma will be back. I would have also been upset if she was in over Emma, unless it was Emma’s decision entirely to not return. To be honest, I think I may like Jenna better as a pro than in troupe. I’ve seen some group dances where she seems to be a second out of sync with other dancers and it has bugged me a bit. I hope/think that wouldn’t be much of a problem with just her and a partner. I’m interested to see how she does.
Im starting to think Derek is back and he got the gymnist…or maybe this is just my inner fangirl being hopeful ?
Yay for Emma! I’m on the fence about Jenna.
I need eye candy without Derek around. Would love Shannon H from the troupe. Have no dissing he can choreo ballroom. If no Shannon, then Gleb will have to do.
Have no *idea if he can
With Jenna as Pro, and SYTYCD finale the same night, the 2 shows obviously have arranged something to make it work. And isn’t SYTYCD using the old American Idol stage? They share hallways backstage, so it really wouldn’t be TOO difficult for her to do both. Since she and her partner were eliminated already, her role is probably not as big as it would have been. And, with 13 couples for DWTS, probably the opening number along with the one with her partner. TPTB for both shows can easily make sure she can get back and forth as needed.
Is Slavik Kryklyvyy the Slavik that is being referred to as a potential pro for DWTS? Per google, I can see why he would be a huge get for the show.
Idk why but I could care less about Jenna being a pro. It would’ve been nice to get edyta back 🙁
Either there is alot of last minute changings this week or the show is listening to the audience wish lists , i think they are trying to get new pros to make people excited and more interested since Derek left … I am not a Jenna fan but i agree with jennifer since she is not a replacement of Emma or Allison and Karina doesn’t want to come back ..i am fine with her being a pro , it nice to have a little shake up in the pro line .. And she seems really want to be a pro for a long time so i think she will do her best and i actually hope that !! I am sooo excited for this season ????
Is there really a chance that Derek returns? I see so many of you bringing it up, I thought he was OUT this season.
@Samantha Yes! Or Anna, or Ashly… Heck, they could’ve even signed in Elena, who was a pro in DWTS Australia. It would’ve been fun to see a married couple as pros in the same season.
Can the last pro be Chelsie? I will never stop loving her as a pro and wouldn’t that just be a lovely surprise? I’m sending out good vibes to TPTB because so far they have been good this season.
While I’m really not a Jenna fan, part of me is ready for her to try it out as a pro just to see what she’s capable of. After 5 seasons in the troupe, it’s sink or swim time. I think her inclusion has more to do with limited options on the female side than anything else.
So Maks and Jenna are pros this season… Don’t know what I should think about it. But if I’m honest i dont like both of them… and Val. I am really sad that Karina isn’t a pro this season and hope that Mark and Wit are getting good partner.
I really thought that maybe Otil Mabuse, she dances for the german version of dwts, could’ve get a spot. But it was just a dream wish.
Keep up the good work I really appreciate it 🙂
Greetings from Germany
And the german press said/confirmed Lochte would dance on dwts. If you knew this, I’m sorry to wrote it again.
Er, Alison, if we want to talk about Val and Jenna, we will. Save your…advice or whatever…for somewhere else. Thx.
ONE person mentions Slavik’s name and suddenly he’s a “potential pro”??
We highlight new stuff in red, Molly – should be easy to see. And while I understand that you’re trying to make nice, it’s incredibly rude to come in and comment without taking the time to catch up.
@Maren
Oti as a pro on DWTS would be a dream come true. She’s still committed to Strictly currently, but I’d love to see her in Season 24.
PH, I had to look up what “trying to make nice” meant. Never heard it before. I think you are giving me too much credit. I was really just trying to explain that I didn’t always see the updates.
Duly noted on the rude business. Wasn’t my intention. What’s that old song about the road to hell being paved with good intentions? I seem to be well on my way.
Mods, you all have been wonderful thus far during the ‘preseason’ of DWTS. As always, all you have given us is greatly appreciated!
Not all that excited about Maks, but really hoping it won’t be as much of a train wreck as I have envisioned in my head. If you had told me prior to this season of SYTYCD that Jenna was going to be a pro I may have moaned, but she actually grew on me a bit during this season so hopefully that will continue and I won’t go back to disliking her. Can’t wait to find out the announcement regarding what Court’s been tweeting about, makes me super excited!
ditto Chayse!!!! Kudos to Courtney, Heidi, and Vogue!
I’m baffled. No Tony (as boring as he could be sometime choreography wise I’m going to miss him believe it or not….but we get maks ? Can’t wait for all the messing about in the dances (channeling my inner Len Lol) but Jenna is just a ugh. Like she can dance and is great at it but I’m dreading this pairing already (I’m assuming she has Jake t Austin if that pans out since I think she was shorter than him and Emma seems to find her partner funny so I’m guessing she doesn’t have Jake). More “fam” on the competing pro list for the ladies this time around while maks and Val hold it down for the guys lol.
Hit submit too early: and keo must be troupe ? . Honestly, at least we have Sasha as a pro but I’m kinda annoyed since keo actually did great with Jodie so the logical answer clearly is troupe him? Oh the powers that be.
@Vin
Nah, same amount of female ‘fam’ this season as last season (s22: Peta, Sharna, s2: Sharna, Jenna), although one more male fam.
# Bia .. i would like to see Aliona Vilani as a pro in DWTS Season 24 , i know she said she wants to start a family and in Strictly she can’t have a day off .. but i think maybe DWTS is more flexible than Strictly !
I’ve been waiting on an update for Karina and Derek but instead I get an update on Maks and Jenna. I’m going to have emotional breakdown.
Jessamyn, I feel your pain!
I did find out that Julianne was judging again this year, so that’s something!
I read an interview from Simone Biles that ran on a site during the Olympics that she’d LOVE to do DWTS and would like Derek as her partner. That’s why I’d put Derek with her because she’d likely request him based on that interview.
IMHO, getting Simone Biles to sign on for S23 would be a HUGE GET!!
# KellyK Simone said she can’t make it this Season because of her schedule but she would love to be in the spring season (24) and she also said she wants to be with Sasha soo…
Again – READ THE SITE.
Yay!!! It looks like I might be in the minority but I’m really excited to see Jenna as a pro this season. If it had meant not having Emma as a pro I would feel a lot differently about it, but since we get to have Emma back as well, I’m looking forward to seeing what Jenna can do. Maybe its just that I don’t really follow social media but she’s always seemed very nice to me on SYTYCD.
I have been reading rumors about Ryan Lochte with Emma. At first I thought no way, they wouldn’t give Emma someone who could be a contender but I am thinking now that maybe she does. If anyone can make him like able after his scandal, it would be Emma.
I feel bad for saying it but I’m glad Tony is ‘having a season off.’ He seems like a kind man but I just don’t get into his dances or partnerships like some of the others. And TBO it looks odd sometimes in group numbers to have him grinding Etc with the other guys!!
So Mark will be the only male pro who was not born in Russia or the Ukraine this season? Do we need to worry? (joking!) Will we be seeing Tony on All Access, do you think? He does a good job in the booth.
Well, personally I’m pumped by all this pro news and thanks so much to Pure for all the great work in keeping it all straight and updated for easy access. Tony and Keo are the pros I’d least like to see again next season and Emma and Sasha are 2 of those I’d most want in. I’m open minded to the idea of Jenna and hope she can do well, and Maks always makes for great tv IMO, love him or not, so I’m really glad he’ll be back. I’m excited by the line up with some fresh and returning blood should add some variety to the partnerships and choreography hopefully.
Regarding Tony, although I will not miss him as a pro, I think I’ll miss him as a person. I enjoyed him and Marla last season and, regardless of who his partner was, I do think he made sure he was always there for them (and I can’t say that about all the pros.) Since he won I also feel like he mellowed out, and I appreciated him on All-Access or doing interviews. It will be weird without him.
On a different note, I wonder why Mark hasn’t been officially announced/has been so quiet?
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Tony do interviews for Extra every week after the show. He is so good at that.
Tony IG post sounds like this is more of a break rather than a permanent departure. I feel like he’ll probably be back next season. If Keo isn’t on this season then I have to wonder if he’ll be back again at all. I know he’s on troupe but he’s coming up to the end of his contract either at the end of this season or next and this hardly bodes well for him being offered a renewal. Plus Gleb can easily take his place as the token tall pro.
Witney, Lindsay, Jenna, Brittany’s dance teacher must be so proud.
I wonder what prompted Maks to come back? I never saw this coming.
Simone Biles said in her interview that all the Final Five would like to have Derek as their partner and then added that someone new might be cool too. I still think that Laurie Hernandez is the one doing DWTS this season because unlike Simone she isn’t one of the headliners of the Kellogs Gymnastics Tour. Laurie might have requested Derek and it worked out and Simone likely knew that already that’s why she’s now campaigning for herself with Sasha for S24. Laurie is 16 and if Derek is her partner they would have limited rehearsal time due to child labor laws which could work well with Derek’s Hairspray rehearsal schedule…
@Jennifer #368 One of us needs to post under a different name 🙂
I managed my disappointment after learning that Maks is back but I have to say that learning both Maks and Jenna are pros this season is a real let down for me.
I think Jenna is a decent dancer but there’s a lot more to being a good pro than dancing. My problem with Jenna is that since she came to the show she’s been determined to define herself through her proximity to Val and the Fam instead of through her work. Y’know I may be wrong and she may turn out to be a decent pro but I don’t think so because the problem, for me, is with with her personality and ability to be genuine.
Per Instagram, Edyta is out for this season
Since Courtney said that there are 7 male pros and 6 female pros this season it looks like we now know all female pros:
Sharna, Witney, Lindsay, Allison, Emma and Jenna.
I’m kinda sad that there is not one old-school female pro this season, Sharna with her 7 seasons is the longest-running female pro in S23…
We officially know about 5 of the 7 male pros: Maks, Val, Gleb, Artem and Sasha, but there are still 2 male pros to be officially announced and I think they’ve been saving Ballas/Hough for last on purpose…
Vogue-
YAY!!! I totally agree that Tony does a great job at the post show interviews. I really enjoyed him – and his ad libs. I think it gave a great personal touch to the pros/celebs.
And while my first reaction was not great about Jenna being a pro, I’m gonna try to go neutral on this one. Maybe being a pro will give her a chance to define herself, away from the fam, and away from whatever it is that two of them have been doing. I will say her dancing improved a great deal last year – especially her timing. She’s young – and maybe this will be her time to shine!
Thanks MODS! You are awesome!
Okay so now i think the female pros line is comlete since courtney said we have 6 female pros and 7 male pros this season which mean we still have a one spot left for the male pros so I think the last male spot is for either Keo or Derek … But if it was Keo they would said it right away or maybe they didn’t get him a partner yet !… But i hope it’s Derek and they are keeping it a suprise for the official announcement !
LOL! I had my laugh for the day. The ex-Maksyl shippers are flipping out because Maks is coming back since he said that he wants Meryl to be his last partner, no new partner can have what they had etc etc. Thery are calling him a liar and say that this is his way of getting back at Meryl since she rejected him, you know? Almost 3 yrs and they are still delusional – Maks was in love w/ Meryl, he got rejected and is now settling w/ Peta. I can’t even.
Gotta love the shippers lol. If they are freaking out now what happens when he marries peta. They are going to lose their minds.
Ria, to be fair only a handful of those people are behaving as you say. They’re really outliers at this point, wouldn’t you say?
Rose, there are still quite a handful left to date. And I still can’t get over how delusional they are. They have all been proven wrong but they still insist that M&M had something going on in S18. I don’t think that they will ever accept that they fell for a showmance regardless of anything that happens. I really don’t care if they persist in their belief – the only thing I don’t like is the hate and contempt they throw at Peta who was the innocent party in the showmance.
Rita, Frankly, I don’t see the hate you claim they’re throwing about to Peta. She appears to be basking in adoration for the engagement and baby. If Peta goes looking for those discussion blogs, that’s another matter IMO.
Reading few speculations today that the last reveal is gonna b Mark N corckyBallas and that’s why they have not announced Mark yet :-). I did not know to laugh about it or cry about it. I would think #Houghballas would have a stronger appeal than two #Ballas.
The delusion runs strong in that fandom, Ria. Maks is and has always been all talk.
I saw that Mishti too. Plus a few saying Alan or Keo. It is of course just my opinion but I don’t see any of those male pros being a threat to anyone. I guess we will have to wait until Tuesday to know for sure.
Can we just bring Tony back? Why did they have to drop him wtf
Does the Jenna news rule out Cheryl 100%? What if there are 14 couples..?
Maybe wishful thinking but adding Mark, Derek and Cheryl to this roster would be pretty damn good
@ Sarah
Courtney is sure that there are 13 couples this season and there haven’t been more than 13 couples since S9. So yes, the Jenna news rules any other female pro out. But there are rumours that they wanted Cheryl or Lacey back but it didn’t work out that’s why they suddenly included Emma as pro again.
Simone Biles said that she would want to dance with Derek. It would be great if Derek came back to dance with her, and Mark was dancing with Laurie Hernandez. Then the competition would definitely be stiffer, and it would explain why there hasn’t been much news about Mark concerning season 23.
Once again, Simone said she can’t do DWTS this season: https://www.puredwts.com/2016/08/19/simone-biles-attempts-to-put-the-dwts-season-23-rumors-to-rest/
So happy that Derek is back .I miss him last season. It’s the best pro lineup in a while
Lindsay must be partnered with a football player. I wonder who?
Glad that Derek is back. I think we all kind of knew it already.
Courtney-
IDK how you do it. Keeping Derek a secret. I bet you were jumping up and down screaming in your own house the last few days! Wow – and I did catch that wink face on #347, guess I should have read more into that!
Put on notice is an understatement. Two Houghs against Two C’s. Gonna be fun to watch.
Oh and I saw a blurb about Amber telling TPTB she wanted to pick her pro and be in control. This is gonna be fun – can she control the producers, TPTB, and Maks? lol
Okay, between Hairspray Live and Singin’ in the Rain coming up and the flawless season he had with Bindi, why would Derek even bother coming back? Isn’t he way too big for this show already? At least Maks could get away with the excuse that his acting career wasn’t going all that well…
That being said, I’m really sorry for Keo.
Emma and a republican?
I wouldn’t get too excited about Emma coming back, it’s probably because they have found a celebrity nobody else would tolerate. I bet he is unlikeable incompetant or in his 50’s or 60’s. Why does TPTB treat her like this? Way worse than other pros. In any other walk of life we would call this bullying. I hope I’m wrong and she gets a ringer but I somehow doubt it
I’m pretty pleased by the male pro line up. I think it’s one of the stronger ones they’ve had in awhile, so they all better be on notice like you said. I’m happy though it’s a mix of old favorites & newer pros.
The ladies I’m just meh about. I’m disappointed in the way TPTB don’t have any of the old staples as a part of this line up. I would have gladly taken their presence over promoting Jenna & Allison returning. I guess this line up is just skewing too young for me. I am thrilled Emma is back though!
Exactly Lauren, I love how “strong” the male pro line up is. What a great shake up I was so hoping for.
On Twitter, Simone and Sasha tweeted each other basically requesting each other for season 24, so I’m excited to see that if that can happen. So, Simone can’t be the reason Derek is returning, I refuse to believe that TPTB are going to give him a ringer, because they don’t want him winning another trophy, and are probably trying to give it to Sharna, Val, or (maybe?) Lindsay. I’m very happy with the pro lineup this season, Derek, Mark, and Sasha are who I’m looking forward to the most on the male side, and I love Emma and Lindsay, although Witney and Sharna both are very entertaining to watch. I’m also interested to see what Jenna can do, and will be the true test to see if ‘trouping’ actually works.
YASSSS!! BEST news ever to wake up to! Derek DEFINITELY makes the rest of them UP their game! He’s the GOAT! 😉
I just wonder what Val can do now with his choreography?! He definitely won’t be center of attention with Gleb, Maks, and Derek returning in the upcoming season.It would be so great to have Cheryl and Karina back like in the old times.
It will be hard when the eliminations start to happen. There is a hype about Maks snd Dereks return, also with Gleb(but we will have to wait and see how he will connect with the viewers). I just hope that this season Emma, Sasha( even though I’m not a fan of him) and Mark are not sacrifisial lambs and they would not get the worst and older partners. I think that this season the best partners would get Maks, Val, Sharna, Derek( not because producers want that, but rather because everybody want him, and I am sure he would not come back without someone decent). I also have a feeling that Maks got the partner that was suposed to be Gleb’s partner. And also if Maks is a last minute pro choice, I think that they would not ask Gleb to come back. This is just my opinion. Sorry for long comment. ☺
Based on the confirmed pairings so far, I definitely see the most potential in Amber/Maks. If the chemistry (and her ability) are right, he could have another Mel B on his hands!
While I love Mark…IMHO, he’s never been truly tested either. Has never had a partner older than 40. Has had several olympic champions…2 gymnasts and an Ice Skater. Even Paige was just 21 yrs old last season. What’s UP with that?
So far, I have to say that Maks/Amber and Artem/Maureen are the ones I’m most excited to see. I have no doubt that Amber can keep Maks in line. She seems to have a very strong no bull***t meter.
Artem and Maureen sound like a lot of fun.
Anxiously awaiting to see who Lindsay, Derek and Mark partner. Really looking forward to some fabulous dances this season.
Heh, heh…a round of drinks on me for PH, Courtney and Vogue this Friday night. Y’all deserve it, after this long week of keeping track of s**t ? and one big secret. Very happy to see Derek and Emma back! I can’t say I’m happy to see Maks back; but if he has to be back I’m very glad he’s on the other side of the judge’s table. Now can I get Wanya and Paige as guest judges this season? ?
@ Alison I think that there’s already much evidence that being in the troupe helps dancers succeed as pros. Off the top of my head Sharna, Emma, Sasha, Peta, Artem, Tristan, Witney, Gleb and Lindsay have all come from the troupe so I don’t think Jenna is what you call the “true test” to whether being in the troupe works.
I am excited that Derek is back. What an awesome surprise! The male pro
list is strong. It’s the ladies side that isn’t so hot in comparison IMO. As Lauren said it’s a little young for me and Witney is the only one that has a MBT. But maybe the their male celeb partners will help balance things out.
@KellyK Mark had the youngest contestant ever, challenging in it’s way as well. And he had the most conservative to deal with in Sadie Robinson, which brought some challenges as well, I’m sure. So no, it’s not the same thing as having an “old” partner or one missing an essential body part or two but he hasn’t always had ringers.
Ridiculous James – totally. Emma is gainfully employed on a TV show that is watched by more than 10 million people. They give her a dud?? SHE’S STILL BEING PAID TO DANCE ON TV. Some of you are just ridiculous, I swear.
I guess TPTB know what creates the buzz. All of these latest pro developments in the past few days and barely a mention of Gleb.
Super happy that Lindsay got a football player and not Ryan Lochte. Now the real question is… Who is it?
Thanks for the drinks, Christine, and drinks to all of you too!!xxx
I read the football player is Terrell Owens.
I just read that it’s Calvin Johnson I think from the Detroit Lions.
Hey “B” and everyone – we’re working on a post where you can guess the celeb partners of the announced pros. Guess to your hearts content. I predict it will be up sometime tomorrow – I say tomorrow because I’m exhausted and I imagine my cohorts in crime are as well. I’m starting it now…look for it tomorrow. 😀
I can guarantee you in the end, Tony was more than happy for all the “duds” people would say he received. In other words, non-contenders. He was on American tv, a huge television market, for over a decade that brought him some notoriety, steady employment, and most importantly, a steady paycheck to support a family. And he’s well liked by the public. I bet Tony will get jobs that Maks will never get because of his reputation. He’s done tv hosting gigs already which he’s great at and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a DWTS judge over Maks in the future.
On a separate note, so ecstatic Derek is back! My long-shot dream came true. Can’t wait to see what he creates.
Oh my God! I would love if Lindsay got Terrell Owens. I saw him recently, not sure if it was an old episode though, of Celebrity Wife Swap but it was the husband swap of Terrell and Revenge of the Nerds Robert Carradine. Terrell has come such a long way from who he was years ago. I’m happy for him.
But I’ll be happy with any football player for Lindsay. I really would love to see her win soon. She’s been so close.
I just saw on Twitter that the reason that no one has mentioned Mark yet is because they are planning to pair him with Beverly Mitchell from 7th Heaven. Derek or Val are probably going to get Laurie Hernandez if she does the show. I hate this. But you’ll never know what will happen…
I can’t wait for PH’s guess the partners post!!
I saw the Derek hints but couldn’t believe that he would have the time so I am so excited!! Derek, Gleb, Maks and Mark? I can’t wait!
Since they were struggling to get celebs to sign and (as we know from Courtney) Derek was a last minute addition as of last monday night it’s very likely that someone requested him. Can’t wait to find out who it is.
Aahhh! I think Lindsay has Calvin Johnson. She gave hints saying her partner was born in Georgia and has played for the same team his entire NFL career and has a size 15 shoe.
I couldn’t find Calvin’s shoe size but…….he was born in Georgia and has only played for the Detroit Lions. And he’s only 30. Score Lindsay!!!
Thanks, PH! I can’t wait for the “guess the celeb and pro” post! Thanks so much for all you guys do for us!
I can’t believe how much happier I feel about this season since Derek is back! They can give him anybody they want – he’s back!
I agree with you, though, that someone probably requested him. Someone? Probably more than one really!
I also wonder if they will give him someone who may just make it until mid-season because he has Hairspray rehearsals to do. That doesn’t sound like Derek, though. He’d welcome the challenge of having a contender!
TPTB choose the celebs first and give them who they think is the most fitting pro for them not the other way around. And if Laurie Hernandez or whoever wanted Derek as a partner and would have passed on this season otherwise they can’t just force her to be paired with someone else.
You’re welcome; and thank you, Vogue!
I disagree @Susan2 that Mark had significant challenges with either Willow or Sadie. I’d say Candace Cameron Bure was more conservative than Sadie was. Willow and Sadie were both teenagers, who are pretty flexible and were most likely quick learners. Sadie also had a huge fanbase with the Christian conservative Duck Dynasty crowd. Willow had the Hunger Games fanbase. I personally don’t think 14 year olds should even BE on the show. 16 should be the age limit imho.
As opposed to a 50 yr old woman with a bad neck where one wrong move could’ve paralyzed her for life–at least that’s what Derek wrote in his autobiography.
I’m sorry, I meant @Colleen with that comment. My apologies Susan2!
@Jennifer, Gleb was a Pro in S16 an THEN he was relegated to the troupe…not vice versa.
@KellyK
Regarding Jennifer, she didn’t just have a bad neck, she has screws in her neck that’s why one bad move could have paralized her for life and I think she said that herself too.
I don’t know but I’m actually kinda surprised that some of you guys here really think that the proders would give Derek someone who woudln’t last long on purpose. Derek will be fine even when Hairspray rehearsals start, otherwise he would have never decided to do both (especially efter season 20 when he felt like he let his parner down), and the producers should know that. Saying that, I really HOPE and believe there’s no hidden plan that Derek will be out before Hairpray starts because as much as I love him doing the show again, I’d reather not see him back under these conditions and I bet Derek woudln’t want it too.
I think his work with Jennifer and Amy really showed that Derek is the one pro who can be super careful with his partners and still challenge them. I was in awe how he never ever forgot to support Jennifer’s neck or to help Amy keep her balance.
Hey, Lucie! #460, I guess we’ll soon find out! I agree with everything you said. Derek wouldn’t want it and his fans wouldn’t either! I was just thinking aloud!
There are a couple (obvious) things you have to remember about Derek:
1. He doesn’t do DWTS for the competition to win a shiny ball anymore. He LOVES the show.
2. As long as his partner wants to work, he doesn’t care if they are a “contender” or not. He’s taken “non-contenders” to the finals many times – he knows this. He makes it about their experience and teaching them to dance.
These things are obvious to his fans (and anyone with a working brain). Pretty sure his goal isn’t a MBT anymore unless he realizes it could happen…then it’s for his partner, not himself. I’m quite sure that once someone is handed Derek as a partner, they should NOT be counted out of the competition, regardless of age, size, shape or number of intact limbs.
Lucie, I think they have in the past given Derek someone they thought might not last long – likely at Derek’s request. But not phrased that way. I think he asked on more than one occasion for “a challenge”. I think they want Derek to stay to the end (but not win), but they also need to keep him happy. They know him very well at this point and they know what that is – a challenge.
Of course, a massive ringer has it’s own challenges and if someone asked for Derek they may have seriously made it worth his while. Who knows? We won’t…until we’re about three weeks into the season I would guess.
I’m happy to hear the update about Keo in troupe. I’m glad he still has a job with dwts, and I think they did him a huge disservice when he was thrown into pro job without experience. He’s a great dancer and he seems to be learning so maybe he will continue to learn and have a chance again later to be a pro.
Thanks mods for all the updates/info leading up to the season. I was thinking I was uninterested in dwts anymore but here I am all excited again for a season to start.
My guess for Derek’s partner is Lindsay Sterling thought I heard her in an interview she would do DWTS if Derek was her partner. I forget what show she was on .
@KellyK You misunderstood me. You remarked that the producers NEVER challenge Mark Ballas and wondered what’s up with that. I think every partnership has challenges but they cannot always be foreseen like the obvious ones some partners bring like age, uneven heights or missing limbs/feet.
Just taking a guess, but Mark B might be quiet about preferences for type of partners. The producers seems to have pigeon holed him a bit as good with young girls or very conservative partners vs. the “sex on legs” C brothers. As for older women, TPTB probably won’t ever assign Mark one because I imagine by now, he’s one of the better paid pros and they want him to stay around past the midpoint with that investment. Shame because it seemed like both Mark and Paula Deen had a blast when they were paired up for switch up week. Paula even went back to Louis and explained that she wanted him to teach/treat her like Mark did.
That would be nice, cindyy, but someone on twitter said Lindsey has a WORLD tour starting very soon. If it was just a US tour, she could do it, but not one that starts in Ireland, I don’t think.
Pleasantly happy with the line-up. Derek coming back is always a treat, and I can’t wait to see his magic on the floor again. Great to see Sasha, Artem and Mark back too. The last time I’m really liking Val was when Maks was also around, so who knows if I’ll go back liking him to that extent. And Maks, well, there’s always hope that his choreography won’t be as abysmal as S18, but then again he did that with the ringerest ringer this show ever had so I’m not holding my breath. And yay for Gleb! (and Vogue too lol).
Not a lot of shake-up with the female pros but I really miss Emma and Allison on the basis of their positive attitude. I haven’t been feeling Sharna and Witney for the last few seasons now, so it’s Lindsay that I’m going to look forward the most this season. And Jenna really does getting a spot this season, now let’s see how she’s going to be. This is really shaping up to be some of my favourite pro line-ups ever from this show, hopefully this season won’t disappoint too much.
Emma Samms was one of the first people rumored to be on DWTS. Any ideas who she has as a partner?!
Since George P said there’s another Olympian besides Lochte, wouldn’t that mean that between Val and Derek, they have the batchelorette and the Olympian?
I was thinking Mark got the Olympian since he hasn’t been announced yet. They could make a big deal of Mark being paired with Laurie. I was thinking Gleb got Jo Jo.
Someone mentioned yesterday that they thought Laurie Hernandez could be Val’s partner because she recently followed him on twitter, and she was in NY and Val is also in NY. It’s a possibility.
Buuut… Didn’t someone recently spot Mark sprinting through Newark airport? That’s in NJ, right? Laurie is from NJ… And he was trying to recruit her on twitter during the olympics… 🙂
Im struggling to be excited about any of the possibilities mentioned for Derek so far even though I know he will make anything work. I’d be really happy if Mark is with Laurie instead of Val. Let him have JoJo. She’s more his style anyway.
Well Maina (#474)), it was exactly what I thought. I knew that Mark was not going to get Laurie even though I hoping for it. In fact it was no wonder he was not yet confirmed. Just so he can be paired with whoever instead of her. That was a pairing that I really wanted to see, but unfortunately those casting directors just where not gonna let that one happen. It’s really sad because I had a feeling that this season was gonna be Mark’s season. Turns out, I may have been wrong…
#Maina well now I’m afraid. I really hope Laurie’s with anybody but Val, but I can’t see another reason why she would have followed him in Twitter.
The possibility of Laurie with Val turns my stomach. She seems like such a nice kid. Please don’t stick her with that awful Val.
So Sharna’s in Texas and her partner is a race car driver. I know nothing about racing except I, of course, know of the Indy 500. I know there are other types of races & cars but don’t anything about them.
I’m just throwing out Ryan Hunter-Reay because he’s from Texas and won the Indianapolis 500 in 2014 and a bunch of other races in his career. Sounds like he’s a big deal in that world. He’s 35. That’s all I got. Oh, he’s pretty cute too.
If Emma’s partner is Jack Hanna & not a republican that would be funny. Since she said her partner is a “hoot” like an owl and Jack Hanna is really funny in an odd duck kind of way.
Hopefully Sharna’s Indy driver partner is the one name that was on my wishlist!! And a rumored celeb as well. Woohoo!
I don’t think they will put JoJo with Val because she is engaged and Val is always shirtless and people will start shipping them together and stuff so this might cause some problems .. they may put her with Mark because he is engaged too so there will be no shipping or showromance ..!
Val said he is soo excited and he got the best partner so MAYBE he got Laurie but i don’t know why you call him ( awful ) and ( you wish her to be with anyone but Val ) , for me he isn’t that bad they are worse and more lame pros than him in the show and there was a lot of lame choreography form other pros as well last season ! he wasn’t his best last season but i think when he wants to win , he does his best and with someone like Laurie .. i don’t think he will play it safe ! personally i think he was soo good with Rumer and Zendaya and i think after Peta won her 2nd MBT .. Val & Maks will try to have another one !!
But shipping is how Val and Maks operate, regardless.
Val ALWAYS claims his partner is the best. Every season. Glad yer a fan, Haneen – but I certainly disagree.
I have to say Haneen #482, Val ALWAYS says he has the best partner. Always.
According to Courtney’s DT, Val actually asks the producers for the best celeb every season!
That was actually in an article/interview with the producers. You see how well that’s worked out for him, eh, Colleen?
Some “pros” need extra help to succeed on this show. And multiple tries at pushing them across the finish line to the coveted MBT. While I sarcastically think, “I can’t wait to see whose season it is this time…..”
Sooo…Val got yet another ringer. Anyone in their right mind dare to say “Derek always gets a ringer, young, able body” needs to go and see their neurologist.
I for one am glad that we will have some of the best male pro teachers/dancers on this season. I’ve been watching Gleb dancing in the Russian DWTS and he is without a doubt “eye candy” and a sweet guy not to mention his teaching and dancing was awesome! So glad he is back on USA DWTS.
As for Maks being back, I am rather shocked, but to be honest, I always enjoyed his dancing. I enjoyed him the most of any season when Kirstie Alley was his partner. They were a hoot, and she was much thinner by the end of the season and looked really good.
I can’t say I have ever really like Val as much in any season. this is going to be a much more enjoyable season with all the Pros that are back (ladies & gents) and some pretty good dancing should be going on each week. Getting excited for August 30 for sure now!!!
Oh please no Val and Laurie, so should be with Mark. I’m starting to get really worried about Mark being on this season at all. Courtney tweeted about another big pro shake up and Mark is the only one that isn’t confirmed that would be considered “big”. I really hope he is still going to be on and somehow gets Laurie.
I was so excited to watch little Laurie, was. Totally agree, they took her from under Mark’s nose. I didn’t know until yesterday that he publicly reached out to her.
They will find a way to excuse the fact that Val is breaking the work record for ringers, Thiana, they always do – now with the biggest ringer on the show this season.
Interesting that that’s TWO Olympic Athletes who mentioned Derek’s name when asked if they wanted to do DWTS – and they ended up with a Chmerkovskiy. And yet, the more idiotic in their fan base insist that Derek is the one who is favored. He’s favored because TALENT, charisma and ability to earn Emmy nominations – But they know they don’t have to give him a ringer for him to do well. They also know that any season could be his last and they need Val to be popular. LOL – I just had a vision of Val as Elphaba and the producers all dressed as Glinda and they’re singing, “Popular. You’re going to be Pop-U-lar….”
Is Mark not going to be on after all? I think he’s the only pro that hasn’t been confirmed so if there’s a last minute pro shake-up, I can’t imagine they take back one they confirmed & announced already. And IF Mark was supposed to be on & something happened last minute that he can’t, do they replace him in order to still have 13 pros this season. If so, I hope it’s not Alan just because of maturity issues. He’s a sweet if often annoying young man boy. I don’t know if they would try & find an old, old, pro or grab Shannon from troupe. Wishful thinking but I’m curious to see where Mark is.
You know, thinking about how Val had said that he’s spoken with his partner early and then said he hadn’t met/didn’t know his partner days later makes me wonder if there was some switching of partners again. Could Val’s partner have dropped out or been switched to Maks and then TPTB shuffled and gave Laurie Hernandez to Val…………..?
PH, their main excuse for Val’s ringer streak right now is “Val has never had an Olympian before”…
I’m guessing the reason Mark hasn’t been confirmed is that they had trouble signing his partner and are now looking for a replacement partner…
A ringer is a ringer in Val’s case. The only time he hasn’t had a ringer his partner trained at DWM before the season started and the time that his original partner bailed on the show (Tamar).
At some point they are just going to have to accept and OWN the fact that Val clearly NEEDS a ringer in order to be successful (and even then, not always). There’s no shame in that – not everyone can be Derek Hough. Or…they can continue to look and sound dumb. Up to them.
Princess Heidi, Do you have idea if Mark is on this Year? I love when he and Derek can get together on team dances and trios. Super great dancing and lots of fun. I will be very bummed if Mark is out in favor of giving Val another super ringer, who Mark reached out to. Does DWTS really think Val is all that?
I don’t know Mark’s status at the moment. Last I heard, he was in – but ya never know. It has been awfully quiet in that corner.
And in all fairness, Laurie mentioned Derek’s name when talking DWTS. And that being said, neither have a claim to her just for that.
What about Corky? Any ramblings about the show on his end? Maybe we are getting a Ballas just not the one that we think.
I do not like the way the producers and the casting directors treat Mark. I know I am going to sound nuts, but Mark has worked very hard for years only to get cheated and screwed. They know Mark recruited Laurie first, but obviously they did not care. I really do not know what it is about Mark that make the producers constantly cheat him out of another well deserved MBT victory. Mark is such a fantastic choreographer and pro who has worked his tail off for 18 seasons and it is a shame that he does not get the fair treatment that he deserves while other pro’s get that fair treatment. I wanted Mark to win so badly this season but it’s just not gonna happen because those producer just do not want that to happen.
:::sigh::: Mark did not “recruit” Laurie. That has no basis in fact. He tweeted her, for christ’s sake – do you not realize that the producers were scouting her long before that?? WTF is the matter with you?? And how many times am I going to ask that before I just block you out of frustration??
Mark Ballas had the privilege of dancing with a partner he had recruited just last season! Mark and Paige had a fantastic season which I enjoyed very much. TPTB couldn’t have predicted how well deaf model Nyle would do with Peta. Mark and Paige didn’t garner enough votes to overcome that juggernaut.
Whew… Yeah, I get that. I’m just saying that I was just really looking forward to seeing Mark win this season and IMO, that would have happened if he got Laurie. I felt like he would have had the biggest chance of winning this season. I had been picturing how exciting it would be if MB was finally able to have the chance to hold up that MTB for a third time, but every season it’s like that day will never come. That’s really what I meant to say Heidi (#502) and I’m sorry if that came off frustrating, but all I want is for MB is to have that big moment of victory and I want to believe that that moment will happen eventually, but at the same time it feels like it never will…
CH, you need to dial it back. You are in hysterics over a dance show nearly every day. Mark has two MBTs and a music career that is growing. I seriously doubt he’s in the agony that you are. CUT IT OUT or I will just block you when I get tired of reading hysteria and fiction every damn day.
Ok Sorry Heidi (#505). I will try to be calm when commenting…!!!…
CH, I just wanted to let you know that you’re not alone as I have also been waiting and power voting for the past 14 seasons in hopes of Mark getting a third MBT. Unfortunately, it looks like it may extend to 15 seasons now, but at the moment, I’m just hoping we’ll get confirmation that Mark is on this season at all.
I understand how strongly you feel about Mark and we’ll just have to see what happens!
Thank You Cali (#507)…!!!… So glad someone understands…!!!… His mother Shirley said on Twitter to get ready for some amazing choreography as Mark will be back bigger and better though. So obviously he’s back this season but may be ending up with another partner. Glad you understand…!!!…
CH, I’m looking at Shirley’s latest tweets and I see nothing of the sort.
Actually Voguerista, someone on a twitter page called MarkForEmmy posted that she said that. I think that it is clear that he is coming back.
Well, I’ve been following her for a long time and I’ve never seen her confirm that.
Ok, I looked up this EmmyForMark. All she did was “like” a tweet. That’s it. She likes everyone’s tweets. That doesn’t mean we should take it as a confirm.
Not sure if it’s true but I’d love to see Cheryl return for the season and Witney sit this one out. That would be a fix for what was bothering me about female pro line up and Cheryl definitely has what it takes to work with Ryan Lochte.
Maybe a break would give Witney a chance to do some reflection and the find the desire to be more competitive and appreciate DWTS a little more. In my humble opinion she’s been phoning it in since her success with Alfonso.
But I guess I’ll have to wait and see what happens.
Oh yeah, CH, because everything said on twitter is absolutely true. :::rolls eyes:::
PSA: if you are here to say “I hope [insert piece of intel that we just confirmed] is true!” I am going to assume you are here to insult us – because that’s exactly what you’re doing. I think we’ve earned a bit more confidence from you guys over the years – we literally spoiled the entire cast last season, an entire week before the announcement, with names that literally nobody else was repeating. We CLEARLY have a good source. So while you may not think anything of saying “I hope it’s true!”, I will be taking it as a personal insult. You want to be skeptical? Fine by me – go do it elsewhere. I don’t come to your house and say shit like “I guess this is your house, but can I see the deed to confirm please?”
I really hope that Mark is on dwts this season. He is one of my faves. After such a brilliant season with Paige, I can’t imagine why they’d opt to have him sit out.
LOL, This could be fun — If any female pro can make something out of Ryan Lochte it’ll be Cheryl (Witney would have been hopeless).
Cheryl hasn’t always been a favorite of mine, but she knows how to handle the boys with egos who are accustomed to using their looks and status to get away with just about anything. Cheryl’s got a hard shell; she’s not easily impressed and definitely not intimidated (especially on her home turf). So after the first couple weeks of trying to get her to come around, they’re the ones who end up dancing to her tune (pun intended).
@Cidra – Yeah Cheryl probably is a better choice for Ryan. I remember the wrestler I believe it was Chris Jericho stating how tough Cheryl is. If anything Cheryl cracking the whip will be good for Ryan.
Ever since Cheryl’s disastrous Salsa season with Willy I haven’t been able to connect with her. No chance of things changing this season either.
I have 3 favorites this season… that probably won’t change either.
Interesting that Witney was supposed to be at the Emmy thing going on tonight and she was a no-show. I don’t know if her absence was due to a scheduling conflict or her choosing to stay out of the limelight with the Emmy drama she had (but then why agree in the first place?) or if it has something to do with her potentially being switched out for Cheryl (unless Ryan was always intended for her).
As I posted elsewhere though, Ryan should be counting his blessings that he got Cheryl – even if she’s not my favorite, she is leaps and bounds more appropriate for what Ryan needs and I’m glad the producers recognize that.
So as others have stated, it’s either a 14-couple season, or either Mark, Witney, or Gleb are out. No surprise that I’m REALLY hoping it’s Witney.
@Fig- I’m with you. If its only 13, Wit would be my choice to go (although I guess I don’t care one way or another about Gleb).
Regardless I’m just crossing my fingers Mark is still in. This looks like it could be an incredible season, but it wouldn’t be the same without Mark. He has such an unique style of choreography that brings something extra to the show.
I’m happy to see Cheryl back. She’s not always been my favorite, but she’s an excellent teacher and one of the few pros that can handle the Lochte firestorm.
I agree with you all that Cheryl is a much better Pro partner for Ryan than Witney. Should be an interesting but good entertaining season. And, I always enjoy “Halloween” week!!
They relocated Gleb with wife and child that starts going to new school soon, they won’t just get rid of him last minute… And without Tony, Mark is their longest-running pro and the only male pro with 2 MBTs. I really hope if they have to get rid of anyone they just put Witney in Troupe like Artem in S21…
Would love to see the Keo back with a wonderfull partner.
@Millie
Keo is in Troupe this season since he hasn’t been in Troupe before and seems to need some time to learn from the experienced pros.
When Cheryl isn’t checked out, she can be a wonderful pro. She’s very smart with her choreography and is a stern taskmaster. I always enjoyed watching her put the kibosh on any whinyness or nonsense.
Just speculation, but I wonder if Witney balked at partnering Ryan or perhaps she’s possibly pregnant?
Why would Witney be at the Emmy thing last night? It’s only for nominees and she’s not nominated this time.
I’m sure this suspense is killing all of us. Surprised at all the changes in the pro line-up, but think it was needed. Let’s face it the pros are as much if not more famous then some of the celebrities. I am surprised that Mark has not been confirmed as yet, but thinking he may be partnered with a surprise celeb just like Derek was with Nastia. Maybe his fiance, BC Jean! She has performed on the show many times. Or he may have decided to take the season off and work on his music. We will soon find out.
@Figamentation
What for Emmy drama?
I cannot stand this idea that TPTB should “give” one’s favorite pro a great celeb so that they will do well and hopefully win!!!
Totally putting the cart before the horse. How about the professional dancer use all of their talent to do well in their job? They are expected to TEACH, train and inspire their partner even while making the experience fun for them and entertaining for the audience. We know they can get either official or even unofficial help with choreography if they admit to needing it. We know Peta had teaching assistance all of last season with Nyle. We know successful teams have campaigned for votes. All of these things are a part of this glamorous, well paid job opportunity.
Sure some pros get help from TPTB in the form of ringers and other manipulations. Life ain’t fair folks. Who knows why they’ve treated Emma Slater the way they do? Yet so far, she’s never had a bad word to say about this show or any of her partners. Emma hasn’t whined about when she’ll win a MBT or even whether she’ll be employed! Sasha, always happy. Lindsay, hard working, talented and positive. Allison, energetic, positive and learning new things. Can they be the new breed rather than the “fam”?
#526 Princess Heidi: Kristyn Burtt attended and said Witney’s name was on the list of attendees (assuming for carpet interviews) meaning she RSVP but never showed up?
Kristyn also said the reception was only for nominees as a reason for why Mark Ballas wasn’t there…so which is it? Witney wasn’t nominated this time around.
WTH! Apparently GMA is only name dropping tomorrow and the actual participants won’t be there until September 7, that’s the date that Gleb pointed out in his earlier video. Darn it, I love seeing the pairs interact with each other.
Echoing what several people have said already, but I really hope that Mark is on this season. He’s my favorite pro and I love watching his out-of-the-box routines. If he’s not on this season, I hope it’s his choice and not because his pro backed out and the TPTB were unable to find a replacement.
Sandy, two of the couples will be with him tomorrow: https://www.puredwts.com/2016/08/29/good-morning-america-dwts-to-include-tom-bergeron-and/
They ask last year’s nominees and this year’s nominees to the press line. Witney RSVP’ed that she would be attending…and she didn’t show up. Hope that clears up the confusion.
Best Wishes,
Kristyn
Thanks, Kristyn.
If Mark can’t be a pro, can TPTB replace Mandy for him? Or is that too much to ask for?
Well, I’m genuinely happy for those whose favorite pros are returning, such as Derek and Emma. Mark is my favorite; and I’m sad and angry that he’s been left out. In my opinion he was the MVP pro in Season 22 in terms of good partnership, choreo, consistency, etc. Benching him seems rather stupid. I’ll leave it at that. Thanks PH, Courtney, Vogue and John. Your hard work is always appreciated.
Ouch! I’ll get over it but I sure am bummed at the moment!
I’ve been watching this show since season 4 and I literally can’t imagine it without Mark. I’m really really hoping it was his decision, because I can’t think of one reason you wouldn’t want one of the greatest choreographers you’ve ever had back on your show. Esp. considering he carried last season IMO.
I was happy with a general shakeup, but now I’m looking at a male pro lineup of 4 Russian guys who love to take their shirts off and look at themselves in the mirror (I’m hoping Gleb’s improved as much as everyone says he has) and then Derek and Sasha.
Chayse, it’s only my opinion, but I don’t think it was Mark’s choice to sit out. It’s become tradition for him to tweet out a smirking emoji around the time his partner is confirmed or he knows who it is. He sent out that tweet recently. I doubt he would play his fans, especially the the younger ones like that. That, plus a recent snapchatted haircut tell me that up until sometime last week, he was planning to be on for S23. Again, my opinion.
No Mark……but we get maks ? Ugh. I’m guessing Mark will be back next season hopefully.
I am terribly disappointed that Mark will not be part of this season. I hope that this was his decision and hoping he has some interesting plans on his plate. He will be sorely missed. Such a creative choreographer, dancer and musician.
Include me in the group disappointed that Mark has suddenly been nixed from the competition. I wonder if we’ll ever find out why. He’s been knocking out some of the best choreography in recent seasons and I’m going to miss that. Unlike some of the pros who make the dances all about them, he always lets his star shine as well.
I just seems like this happened only recently since Mark definitely tweeted his appreciation for Laurie Hernandez and asked if she wanted a dance teacher. I’m sure Mark knows better than to do something so public if he knew he wasn’t working for DWTS for this season.
Well crap. I’ll really miss Mark this season.
Good grief CH, meditate or go on a nature walk or something. Breathe deeply. It’s not the end of the world.
How can I calm down Susan2 (#547) I’ve always knew that they didn’t like him. They never liked him. They knew all along what they were going to do. It was all a plan to take him out this season and they succeded. They did what they set out to do. I hope it will be a surprise and he’s actually in and they have just been very quiet about it, but right now I am so disgusted with those hateful mean producers…!!!…
It could be that the partner they had in mind for him decided not to sign up. Haven’t heard anything about Beverley Mitchell who I thought was planned to be his partner. That, unfortunately, has happened before to others. AND maybe the other female celebs might have been too tall to make a switch.
They just signed Vanilla Ice which makes 7 female pros and with Mark out 6 males. That makes the 13 couples.
Okay, CH, you’re just irrational, paranoid and out of control…and over the top. And WRONG. I could go on. You’re on Moderation. I’ve had about all of the garment rending I can handle and the season hasn’t even started yet.
LOL, Susan2 you captured my sentimetns very nicely with #546 but, my gawd, #547 was priceless (especially since I just got back from my yoga class). 😀
PH (#550) Sadly, methinks this is just a warmup for the crazy you and the other Mods are going to have to beat down this season. With both C-bros back in the mix, the Fam-nuts are going to arrive in droves; and it’ll only get nastier week after week as Derek makes them both look foolish (as he always does).
So I’ll say it right now, load up the liquor cabinet and thank you for all you, Vogue, and Court do. You’re all amazing.
Darn, no Mark. Dunno why he was left out while Maks, Val, and Artem are in. No competition for Derek in the choreography stakes this season then.
Derek and Mark are two totally different flavors of choreography though and both wonderful! I was looking forward to what they’d come up with for whomever they were partnered with.
Kind of like the C Bros. Their choreography is always the same, despite whomever they are partnered with instead of inspired by their partners!
Damn it!! I want Mark in the competition!!!
This will only make Derek look more of a genius. Too many egomaniac male pros now.
Is there a stronger male lineup or female? I’m going to say female, mainly because of Maks and Val on the male side, not even Derek can balance that out.
IF Mark was left out because his celebrity backed out at the last minute, is there a way that we could put a bug in TPTB’s ears to consider using BC Jean as his partner this season? I think that pairing would be very interesting and fun; BC Jean and Mark have engaging personalities, we have never had the chance of seeing Mark that up close and personal, and for the first time the shippers could have quite a bit of fun shipping a real couple. I think it would be terrific for both of them and I believe the audience would truly support them. Imagine the fun he would have choreographing for her!
I have no doubt Shirley will fill us in, she always does. It is disappointing and surprising, especially when they bring back a dude who has trash talked the show so many times. Mark has always been respectful and nothing but appreciative of every opportunity the show has given him, even when less than desirable. I don’t see a lot of fan excitement over Maks’ return either, nothing close to the reaction Derek’s announcement received.
Glad to finally hear a Gleb has a partner.
Oh man, Mark has done 2 seasons without Derek but Derek has never done a season without Mark, I’m sure Derek’s bummed. It also upsets me that when Val’s partner backed out last minute in S21 they just switched Artem’s partner to him but apparently they couldn’t do anything for Mark.
Former Olympic Gymnast Dominique Moceanu has been campaigning to be on DWTS for a couple of seasons now, she would have been great with Mark and it would have been interesting to have a current and a old-school gymnast in one season. Now I feel like they chose Witney over Mark and that’s just sad.
People making assumptions about Mark should stop.