DWTS Season 24, THE FINALE – LIVE BLOG (Spoilers)
Okay, REMEMBER THE RULES of show night. DO NOT constantly hit refresh. DO NOT post one line comments. Save your comments until you have a few that you can put into one post. Please include context so people who the hell you’re talking about. Comment moderation is still turned on, so content refreshing won’t get you anywhere.
Also, according to George P. Emma and Rashad are doing Cha Cha/Tango for their fusion and the dance order is the same as it was last night.
Opening was kind of a non-event. Love the little “journey” package they did for David. Looking forward to Rashad’s. Interesting they show a clip of Normani and it’s a high kick. I wonder…. 😉
Damn, don’t like when they mess with the order like that and put Rashad’s package second. Makes me uneasy.
So, Rashad beat the other two contestants by 100 HOURS in rehearsal. If he doesn’t win, I’ll be pissed.
So shocking that Heather can holder her own with the professional girls. Heh. Is this the dance choreod by Witney?? Better than what Mandy normally comes up with. Hah. Thanks Tom.
Not impressed with Hailie Steinfeld – feel like I’m looking at Val’s next partner in her first ballroom getup.
Spare me, Val. Normani would absolutely make the cut as one of the best ever…if paired with Derek or Mark.
I see we’re back to featuring Maks. Ya know, this show survived quite well without him for a few weeks. Witney did better with the women than the men did. It was all right, but not fabulous.
Don’t like how they have this staged – starting to feel like a Normani edit. I will be so pissed and over this show. The press is resurrecting all their Normani articles – whether that’s at the request of DWTS PR or at their own thoughts on who’s going to win.
Loved the huge dance number and how it traveled all over. Peta is wearing more fabric than all her last season’s costumes put together. Girl, you look fab. Then I saw Hayley and her killer bod and I commiserated with her.
Good Lord, there’s still an hour and a half. I don’ think I’m going to make it.
Nancy is such a classy lady. And a damn fine dancer too. She could have won on another season. She made me appreciate Artem too.
I love guys who can play up the whole bromance thing. This is one of the reasons I loved Nick this season – he doesn’t take himself too seriously. Nice, dry sense of humor. I should say that this is also why I prefer Maks over Val – Maks seems more genuine when screwing around like this.
Peta looks stunning in red with a red lip. Stunning. And Nick ain’t so bad either.
Was this Magic Mike number more OTT than it was last time? LOL.
I do love bloopers. 😀
Whoa, severe flashback to Derek and Chelsea – same song, similar outfits, similar dance moves. Very similar. Wow.
Damn, they’re still doing the Normani wins edit. Shit.
Damn #2 – Derek was on the Voice tonight and I missed it cuz this crap.
Best thing about that dance was Len and Bruno doing their thang. 😀
My god, will this show ever end? This is ungodly painful. I could be reading. Or sleeping, since I’m still coughing.
Okay, that Mr. T bit was cheesy brilliance. 🙂 Love that Mr. T.
Nicole Scherzinger – legit one of the best women to dance on this show.
BTW, Dirty Dancing is getting seriously bad reviews and it’s in large part due to this dude who is NOT a good dancer. He even makes Nicole look a bit awkward.
David and Lindsay do a Foxtrot/Salsa fusion…finally…and it’s not too bad actually. Love David so much – their package was just great. Probably the hardest fusion we’re going to see tonight, I think.
AT/Foxtrot fusion for Normani and Val. Since Val isn’t any better at Fusion than he is freestyle, this should be interesting.
CAI telegraphing a Normani win with her comments. Of course she can pick it up fast, Julianne, she’s trained. YOU can pick it up that quick too, right??
God, get the mic away from Val. So pompous and smug.
QUIT HITTING REFRESH!! Already having trouble with the site. And that makes me cranky.
Great fusion from Rashad and Emma – very fun like they are. Think Emma made her point to the producers clearly enough?? Straight at the camera – I don’t know if I will ever get this again. Yeah, no kidding.
CAI telegraphing now that Normani and Rashad may be a toss up. Shit, Len is not going with 10s. Unusual – either he’s lost by a lot or he’s won by enough that Len isn’t afraid of changing the outcome.
THIRD PLACE – Normani and Val. So much for those 500k votes. Thank you baby jesus. Now, I would really want Rashad to win, but damn, David – nothing would shout louder to the producers to keep their mitts off the damn show.
Winners – RASHAD and Emma!!!
Why are they going outside? Fucking stupid way to handle this. Let the have their camera time and celebrate. Hey, Val and Maks aren’t crying in a corner?? That’s a positive development!! Personal growth!!
Is that unusual that running order for the second night is staying the same? I can’t remember but for some reason I thought it changed. Is this good?
I think it’s good. I think it normally reverses on night two.
I’m hoping it’s a good sign that they’re keeping the order the same-good for Rashad and Emma I mean lol
I’m just trying to figure out a way to stay up for 21/2 hours ?-I don’t remember every spring finale being this long on the last show night-2 hours yeah but I guess they need that extra half hour for all the fluff besides the final three couples last dances I suppose….
OMG!! I’m so excited!! I hope the mods’ predictions and hopes for a Rashad (or David) win comes true!!!!
Especially since Courtney posted a video from last season’s Strictly, that proves that Val’s freestyle copied one of their performances! What a lazy ass fraud. People were wondering last night why he didn’t use a Fifth Harmony song and use Normani’s hip hop/jazz strengths to freestyle something entertaining. Is he that smug to think that no one would’ve noticed and it doesn’t matter? Why did Len and Bruno give him a 10 then?
I actually am looking forward to seeing Heather and Nancy dance tonight too!!
Cha Cha Fusion Tango is a very nice combination for Rashad. Would be cool to improve upon his earlier Cha Cha 24 karat and the 4 tops Tango.
Normani is doing an AT in her fusion, right? Another sexy dance from her, shocker…
Love it so far but the ladies and Simone and Sasha are the standouts thus far for me
I am feeling incredibly uneasy and nervous!!! I really really really hope people voted their butts off for Rashad and somehow David gets second place…..have I mentioned I’m really nervous lol
WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT ONE LINERS? Cut. It. Out.
The biggest contrast between David and Rashad, is David spoke about the journey and the relationship almost exclusively. Not about the dancing so much. Whereas Rashad, he spoke to not only the journey but the dance that made him feel like something happened for him, and that he had an instant role reversal with his Dad. You have to say WOW when dance is that transformative. Its just everything.
Jeez if that routine with Heather and the female pros didn’t just prove that she’s one of the biggest ringers this show has EVER HAD then I might as well call myself a professional dancer ??????
Entertainment online had Heather do a recap of the double elimination episode and she said that Rashad was always rehearsing. That when everyone would leave to go eat he & Emma would continue to practice. I wasn’t surprised he logged that much more than the others. It shows.
I was happy to see Heather get to dance to choreography that was worthy of her talents. I’m still annoyed that Maks blew her Jazz dance in Disney week. I wonder if the pro girls invited Heather to join them because Heather said her only regret was that she didn’t get to do a contemporary dance.
Time to mute while Val and his partner are on. So very sad we didn’t get to see a freestyle from Sasha/Simone. I am sure it would have been more entertaining than the snooze fest we got from Val.
I agree that the ladies dance was much better than what Mandy usually comes up with. Loved the rain, and the staging.
In that men’s dance to “That’s what I like” the guy with the blond tipped hair is Jeremy Hudson. He’s one of Heather’s best friends.
David and Lindsay instantly made me cry lol whereas Rashad and Emma, this time didn’t make me cry but made me feel inspired!!
Excuse me but did Val say something about Normani being one of the best female dancers the show has ever seen? Ok that would be HIS OPINION ? Whatever Val ???
GAG! Why are they making such a big deal about Maks? DWTS doesn’t need Maks, Maks needs DWTS. Have my fingers, toes, eyes, hands, arms, legs, and feet crossed for Emma/Rashad.
Loved the introduction scene. AWWWWW Simone & Sasha…lookin’ good!!! Loved the journey back through Rashad and Emma season. What a special pairing!! The BEST!!
Rashad said it all…never complained just gave it all he could each week. Also, have to admit that David didn’t complain, he just gave it his all, too.
Enjoying the way they have programmed the finale. Oh, the sweetness from Val is almost believable! Wow! some male hotness! Oh, yes, can’t leave out Maks, it’s “his show!” LOL.
So Bindi, Emmitt, Alfonso building up the suspense….Oh the pain of it all!!! 1 hour and and 58 minutes to hear who wins.
Okay… but the producers cannot have let my hopes for Rashad and Emma soar as high as it did yesterday to only hand it to Normani and Val. I would be devastated for them, and SO over this shows. I’m hoping the running order remains the same, unless some random (or not so random) switch up in order happens. Crossing my fingers.
Well Heather can hold herself with the pros but I have to say, they have some great pros.. I couln’t stop looking at Witney, Haley and Sharna.
The boys dance seemed under rehearsed. And having just come bavk from Move I couldn’t help thinking how the five male dancers at Move could have done a much better dance!!!
And Bindi… you would always win, again and again, that personality and the Derek match is still unbeatable IMO.
And finally we get to see all the other stars!
The new producers need to take a note: more pro dances!
I’m getting the feeling that they know Normani is going to win, and are editing accordingly (hope I’m wrong). Having Heather in that dance just goes to prove that she should not have been a contestant. If they wanted to make her a member of the troup, fine, but not a contestant. Hailie Stanfield..Yawn.
She would be top 10 with a better choreographer/teacher.
I also thought it was strange that they put Rashad’s package second. Hard to believe it doesn’t mean anything. Val seems a bit pouty tonight. Maybe he doesn’t think they’ll win?
Love hearing the BTS conversations, we don’t get to hear those without the results show. The men’s dance was ok. Nothing special, IMO.
That side screen shot of CAI in her tight white dress was not at all flattering.
Cheryl Burke had a nice tweet for Rashad and Emma tonight. Fingers and toes crossed for our guy… the hardest worker on season 24
Yeah….I really don’t agree with Val’s opinion. Normandi wouldn’t even crack my top 10 of best dancers. So many more dancers come to mind in the 24 seasons of this show. Definitely not one of the best dancers all time.
Loved Heather dancing with the girls. She was my favorite….I’m a gleek!!!!
That maks and nick video had me rolling. I mean that’s just such an odd friendship but it works and kinda makes sense in a weird way given sarcasm is strong in nick and maks lol. The song though was beyond perfect. And all the clips of chris and mr t make me smile more than words can express. Mr t is a gem of a man.
They should find a way to have more pro dances during the season rather than save them all for a long-ass final show. Unfortunately I haven’t seen much of the show yet, I can only watch it if somebody posts videos online… =/ Looking forward to watching Nancy & Charo perform. Fingers crossed for Rashad & Emma!
Nancy killed that dance again and make wish she was never eliminated at all becuase that smile lights up the room. Bonner I think did great too. I’m guessing less pressure made him more loose as a dancer becuase he was having a blast in that one. 🙂
I genuinely like Maks when they bring him in to just hangout and and get goofy. That bit with Nick was great!
Anyone else think that Nancy Kerrigan’s samba may be the best ever by any star? I’m sure that I forgot someone but she’s fantastic!
Idea for next season: Latin night with guitar playing charo every routine. Wow! She is beyond beyond amazing at that.
It amazes me how on finale night the contestants come back and dance more relaxed and have fun with it-you could see it with pretty much all of them who danced so far-Bonner, Nick, Nancy-they’re just chill axing now LOL
I have to say that Charo’s skills on the guitar impressed me-had no idea she was so musically talented ?
Ughhh I really hope this whole Normani thing backfires on them. It would be just cruel to give Rashad and Emma the edit they gave them yesterday and still have them be put in second place. But would be a complete TPTB kind of thing to do tbh, seeing what pieces of crap they’ve been to more than one contestant they’ve been this season.
I loved how Nancy said that was GREAT after seeing Rashad and Emmas 24 carat.
@PH your comment about Hailie being Val’s next partner, didn’t Fifth Harmony perform at last seasons’ finale? Maybe that is how they audition Val’s partners.
Charro and Mr. T dancing was so cute. He looked so tickled.
Also seeing the rehash of Simone crying during MMY…but all she ever did is smile, sure ?
Love TLC…..one of my favorite groups growing up. Great having them sing and Heather perform to them….although I feel we didn’t get to see her dance much, but that’s ok!!!!
“Anyone else think that Nancy Kerrigan’s samba may be the best ever by any star?”
Off the top of my head, hers in my top 3 along with those by Mel B and Sadie.
In other things I learned this season: Charo is amazing on strings and Keo sublime in Paso.
I’ve wanted Chili from TLC on dwts (with Mark!) for SO LONG now!! I hope it happens! She said she’d love to do it! 🙂
If Rashad and Emma don’t win after last nights edit there will be some mighty pissed off folks. I’m actually quite happy the season is over tonight. This seasons BS is almost too much to bear.
Huge fan of one republic but that has to be the worst song I’ve ever heard from them. Haillee Seinfeld reminds me of Gwen stefani with that performance. Just a lot of energy there and it saves the song
Bruno and Len steal the show lol. Very welcome addition to that routine for sure. Bruno getting down and dirty lol. Life of the party there. The three paddle though 🙂
Seriously? Len & Bruno dancing with Val. That seems like a winner edit. So wrong.
And was Bruno just doing a striptease in the background?
This is waaay to long of a show. Too many “musical” guests, and other filler
Should have just kept it to 2 hours.
Sorry for using a link. Just thought a gif about Normani needing to learn to close her legs would be apt, considering the choreography 😉
So Bruno and Len are in Normani and Val’s dance but not in the other two finalist couples? Seems a bit convenient to me and I truly hope it’s not a foretelling bad sign of something….?
Simone gave a better performance with this contemporary the second time around than the first-less pressure maybe made her more relaxed-she was all smiles during that whole routine:)
I’m watching The Voice finale and it has been great so far. Derek was only on for about a minute but he plugged World of Dance well.
I find this blog to be immensely more entertaining that the DWTS finale. I think I’m glad I missed most of the season.
Have they confirmed that Rashad is going on tour yet?
JT Simon just posted on twitter how the winner is already signed up for the DWTS tour. I hope it’s true, though it does feel like they’re giving Normani and Val the winners edit. Maybe they’re trying to make it more shocking? Or maybe giving Val and Normani as well as harmonizers false hope? I’m nervous about the outcome to say the least.
OMG. I loved Mr. T. He was so much fun. I remember his cartoon in the 80’s. I have to say event hough this is such a long show I have been entertained.
Thank gawd for the remote! Lord knows I need it with long show.
It would be mean and nasty and a bit disrespectful if the producers and judges were just “playing” with us last night. And things aren’t actuslly what they may have seemed.
Loved that Mr. T video about dance!! It gave me life when I’m friggin falling asleep no joke!!
HATE this remake of Dirty Dancing-will not be watching tomorrow night!!
Sorry, I really wish Derek had done dirty dancing, rather than NBC Hairspray
Nicole is amazing. Just a force of nature and owns any dance. The mr t video made my life. Love his whole ability to be humble and be one of the toughest guys on the planet all at once. “It’s as much about the will to win as it isn’t the skill to win”….if only it was that simple len…if only
I have not decided whether or not I will watch DD or not, but I can’t hear that song without thinking of Jennifer/Derek’s freestyle.
I hour 45 min. and we still haven’t seen the finalists dance for points.
Ok help-who’s JT Simon and how would he know such info? ? Sorry for the one liner but inquiring minds!!
I am so nervous for Rashad & Emma, I want them to win.
I agree …waaaaaaay toooooo looooong. Enjoyed seeing the couples dance again from earlier weeks, but I’m ready for the Fusion dances and the winner announced!!! Let’s get em on!!!
God no, thank god Derek stayed away from this Dirty Dancing. It’s getting horrible reviews and the female lead is ugh.
@anonymous. JT Simon is a friend of the C-bros. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him.
#Anonymous I don’t know who he is to be exact, but he’s been commenting on the show for a while and is a close friend to Peta and Maks. Maybe he means Rashad is a winner either way if fifth harmony are going on tour? It’s going to come down to Rashad and Normani in the end but I really want Rashad and Emma to win.
Yeah but if Derek did it at least I would’ve watched ?
Anywho I agree-foxtrot and salsa fusion? Not easy to mesh/transition but he handled it well. I do think the scores were fair though
It would’ve been hilarious if every poster in Normani & Val’s last rehearsal showed her doing a high kick lol
Ok is it me or was there little to no foxtrot in that fusion dance? Cause all I saw was Argentine tango-unless my eyes are deceiving me….??
Loved David and Lindsay’s fusion and can just tell they are going to be friends for life. Now as for normani and Val, I’m just gonna say that the video was good but that was just kinda there for me. I felt the same way about her freestyle last night too. Costume was a little too similair to their dance last night too. Also, Val needs to ?. Please and thank you ?
Geez Len, Normani has been the most consistent this season because she’s been doing the same dance for most of the competition. It’s also easy to be consistent when your partner leaves out the assigned dance content most of the time.
What? Huh? Did CAI say to normani “you were born to win this competition”?
You have got to be kidding me.
How is it that in the past three seasons (with Ginger, Laurie, and now Normani) that Val has had the same two dances for the fusion: foxtrot and Argentine tango? Is that the only kind of fusion he is able to choreograph?
I seriously wish dirty dancing was on Saturday becuase survivor USB on tommorrow too. I’m probably gonna watch survivor becuase I need a weekly dose of pure unpredictability.
Hit submit too early. That’s what my friends call this season (unperedixtable scary bananas) lol. Oddly whatbwe called dwts too lol. Anyways Rashad and Emma killed hat dance. 10! Love it
I just can’t fathom the average viewer choosing Normani over Rashad. I would think that any long time. Iewer would be endeared with this pairing of Emma and Rashad.
I thought I’ve heard it all, but this season takes the cake. Do they have that work that hard to convince people she deserves to win?
Maks and Peta love JT, they get free front row Knicks tickets.
That was a true example of a fusion-nice job Emma and Rashad!!
Shut up CAI and grumpy Len ?
So they just announced Rashad joining the tour hmmm….
DWTS just posted on twitter that Rashad is going on tour. I hope this is a good sign.
Thank God this show is almost over. 2.5 hours is way too long!
Normani and Val… ha aha ahahahahahahahahha
Smh, I would’ve loved to see Rashad and Emma go out on a bang with a perfect score.. ugh Len. On a positive note, we’ll get to see more Shad and Emma dances this summer, which I’m looking forward to. 😉
Normani & Val in 3rd Place
Hallelujah! All the voting paid off. I’m not stunned. If Heather isn’t allowed to win well Normani shouldn’t be able to either. She skated through the season without taking any of the “ringer” heat and doing the same dances over and over again. It doesn’t matter to me now who wins. Actually I think it would be funny if David did even though I voted Rashad.
I’m so so so so so so so so sorry for the one liner but OH MY GOD! I switched over since my Cs are drowning their lead in the final minutes but HOT DAMN! Terrible choreography gets for a third place finish. So pumped! My two favorite girls here to win. Just cracked another beer. Let’s do this! 🙂
I know you don’t like one liners and I apologize, but YES!!!!!!!!!
Rashad for the win but at this point, I won’t be shocked if it’s David.
Normani and Val third…yaaaasss!!!!! Viewers saw through the Valnipulations!!!!!!
I wouldn’t even care now if David win!!!!
Yes, yes, yes. I scared my dog I was repeatedly screaming yes over and over after Tom announced 3rd place.
Loved David & Lindsay’s dance. Loved their package.
More black for Normani, and more of the same old same old. Something wasn’t right after the lift, too much of a pause.
Now, let see the real amazing dancers Rashad & Emma. Their dances have been exciting, great choreo, and technical. Why are the judges drueling over Val’s dances and his partner???
This is “fracking on my brain” again!!!!
Loved that Cha Cha/Tango. Rashad definitely is a “natural dancer” and what this show is ALL ABOUT!!! (used to be that is) Len’s remark was uncalled for and holding up a 9 just proves he needs to retire!!! I saw a mishap in Normani’s dance, also!!!
And the winner is……
OMG…Normani 3rd place!!!
The viewers want either Emma or Lindsay to win FOR A CHANGE!!! Who will be runner up???? Please be Rasha & Emma!!!!!
ALRIGHT!!!! YAY!!!!!!!! So happy for them! They earned that MBT.
So so happy but what CRAP we had to endure to get to this!!
Note to TPTB DO NOT mess with your fans!
Congratulations Rashad & Emma and not too shabby David & Lindsay
I felt so bad for Emma when she said she wouldn’t know if she’d get this chance again. So happy she was able to win with rashad. Although I think them announcing rashad joining the tour kinda gave it away for me at least lol.
Sanity retained lol. Harmonizers going nuts. But most important: the right final 2 and Emma and Rashad win. I’d call this a huge wake up call for tptb and the brothers c lol.
Perfect ending to an imperfect season.
Can I say I totally saw this coming? YES!! If I could have bet money I’d be filthy rich by now! I’ll be happier once I can see the videos!!
Ha! Ha! Guess those cubs fans got those harmonizers beat LOL ???????
What a way to knock Val off his pedestal lol but Rashad and Emma WON THEY WON THEY WON!!! I want to shout it from the rooftops!! And good for David and Lindsay for coming in second to them-well deserved!!
Maybe just maybe we’ve seen the end of the Chmerkovskiy clan? ??????
Seriously, BEVAN, you came here to post that Normani got third place when I’m having so much trouble with the site?? I WATCH THE DAMN SHOW!!
That endind was so anticlimatic though! Why not let them have their moment inside? I didn’t like that…
First off I love this site and the work that you guys do for us fans of the show. I’ve been watching every season since season 2 and dancing with the stars is one of my guilty pleasures to watch lol. I’m super extatic for the Rashad and Emma win that no one would have predicted from the beginning aside from maybe Jimmy Kimmel Lol. While I’m happy that they won, I must say I’m upset with what the show has become. It’s be clear the blatantly obvious manipulation (you can’t tell me normani places third here and she loses to Simone really??) but above that the surprise element is ruined for me with the consistent patterns of the archs and flows of the seasons. Back in the good old days wins on the show were earned with hard work and good ballroom dancing, not the huge productions and styles that are more often than not free passes to give tens. Now wins seem manufactured. Even more so with the tour it seems whatever celeb commits to the tour ultimately wins the show, and the announcement at the finale of who joins the tour spoils who the winner is for me. Tom might as well announce the winner there without going through the eliminations. No way they’re gonna bring a non winner on tour. Winning and going on tour sells tickets and brings them money. I love Rashad and I’m super glad for him and Emma but this has to stop. Stop spoiling the results producers lol
Definitely Val and Normani had to take a moment, she was most likely off balance (camera in on their faces) in their perfect dance before moving to the next element. Oh well, Rashad and Emma got their mirrorball, so well deserved! Val knew last night he blew it all to hell and he was grumpy knowing he was third.
So happy for the results tonight. But dang, that rushed “ride” on the cart was dumb. Why did they do that? They wasted so much time tonight, and then they did that at the end? I wish they had instead let Tom and Erin talk to both couples like they usually do.
All the Harmonizers are going crazy on the DWTS instagram, but luckily they aren’t targeting Rashad too much. This is probably one of my favorite outcomes of a season. They tried so hard to get Normani to the top, but David got over 20,000 more votes per million than her this week – It’s clear that the viewers don’t want ringers with lackluster choreography. So happy Lindsay and David got 2nd they deserve it, and Thank God Emma got a mirrorball, she’s put up with a lot and has kept a fun and positive attitude for the seasons leading up to this one. Rashad has been one of my favorite contestants EVER
SO HAPPY!!!
Thanks to ever here at PureDwts, you guys CLEARLY know what’s going on with this show, and are probably the only people who thought Normani might get 3rd
As a Harmonizer, I say congratulations to Rashad amd Emma on your victory. If Normani couldn’t win, then I wanted yall to win. Congratulations to all of the contestants on a great season 24.
I wish we’d seen the end of the brothers, I’m sure both will be back next season, with ringers. Val’s face when Tom said Normani’s name was a picture. Gold! Well done Rashad and congratulations Emma. Over three years of being treated like s**t by this bi**h of a show but I bet it was worth it now. Enjoy every moment of it. Can’t wait to watch videos of them all on tour.
So happy that Rashad and Emma won!
So Mad that there were no pros and previous contestants inside to run out and celebrate with them on the floor. Trying to drag them to the car and then outside was so STUPID! Some things are not broken TPTB! Lame ending! So disappointed Sasha was not there to run out and hug Emma.
Yet, so happy Rashad and Emma won!
Woohoo! Ecstatic for both Rashad and Emma! Now, Rashad can proudly say he has won something and he won along with sweet Emma! This gorgeous woman paid her dues, but never phoned in her choreography, whether her partner could move decently or not. She deserves this win so much, as much as Rashad does. I am just so happy for them.
And David and Lindsay in second place? Sweet! I may not have gotten my ideal top four, but at least I have gotten my ideal top two. I hope the results this season send a strong message to tptb not to mess with this show anymore. And give Val a partner with zero dance experience for once.
Princess H, huge thanks to you for doing the numbers and the live blog all throughout this season, despite all the shenanigans by tptb and the judges. You and the all of the mods here definitely made this season bearable. Your work is very much appreciated.
To all the longtime posters here, and the respectful newbies, thank you for your contributions. I truly enjoyed reading your take on the show.
Oh thank you Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Normani & Val getting 3rd is the equivalent to me of the producers getting struck by lightning for their deceitful, manipulative, attempt to rig a win for Normani, an early exit for Gramps and a knockdown of David.
It would look really odd if they didn’t have Emma back next season with another possible contender instead of the old man in the corner. So happy for Emma! I just want shout it out….
The hills are alive…….with the sound of muuuusic……….ah..ah..ah..ah
Don’t why Julie Andrews came to mind but I’m so happy.
What are the Harmonizers saying, Vin? Are they mostly complaining about David? Hey! He had to work so hard to dance as good as has with zero dance experience. The Harmonizers can complain about Val’s crummy freestyle that he copied from another show!
I’m so happy for Emma and Rashad! So deserving!! Hooray!!!!! I can’t believe it! Great dancing and creative choreo with good honest hard working people BEATS lazy, repetitive choreo (high kicks!), producer manipulations and big egos smugness!
Congrats to David and Lindsay too!
I am so ecstatic for Emma and Rashad they deserve this so much!!! Emma has taken so much crap from the producers that this just makes this win so much more rewarding! Rashad was so deserving. Loving how David and Lindsay were runners up to them. Lindsay is pure genius and even though she only finished second, I’m glad they were up there next to Rashad and Emma.
As for the Harmonizers, stay salty. Normani’s girls can give the stank face all they want. Finally, the viewers slapped producers in the face! Lol.
Emma and Lindsay schooled Val in the choreo department.
My advice to Val is that he take the off season and take some classes, learn something new…try to grow and mature.
You pack a season with ringer girls and get two guys left standing- I LOVE IT. Rashad and David were my favorite contestants the entire season. David because of my Chicago Cubs love and his enthusiasm for the show, and Rashad became one of my favorite male celebs to ever do the show, period.
Rashad and David were the epitome of what made me love this show- two hard working celebs that put in the hours, improved every week, and were challenged by their pros. I genuinely enjoyed watching them every single time. I’m really hoping that TPTB see what happens when you promote and support the female pros- Emma and Lindsay killed it this season. This also severely underestimated David’s built in fanbase and his appeal to the general audience.
I was happy to see Maks right up there congratulating Rashad, I did see hints of the old Maks I loved throughout this season, but I wish the rest of the DWM fam weren’t being pissy snowflakes on twitter right now.
After the Simone elimination and all of the producer/judges tomfoolery last week, I could not have predicted the show would end so well. Great dances. For the most part correct judging and scores. And the placement…GAH!!!
My mom gifted me with Cubs fandom my whole life, and we’ve been rooting and voting for David this whole time. We both were elated by the results tonight. He outlasted Heather, Simone, and Normani. That is damn impressive and shows that a good fanbase and just being so enjoyable to watch can carry you a long way. Oh and having Lindsay for a partner doesn’t hurt.
All that said, my mom and I were happy Rashad won. He too is a guy who was just so enjoyable to watch all the time. His story was so compelling, and his and Emma’s friendship really was beautiful to see.
It just warms my heart to see two male celebs with no dance experience finish in first and second after a season full of ringer women. And I think David finishing second is a statement of how powerful voting can be.
Okay I’ve gone this long without being obnoxious going to indulge for a bit. I love that the Cubbies/David fanbases was able to overcome a fairly substantial gap to overtake the couple whose fans were keeping faux tabs of how many votes they got in and were all around cocky. Just makes the victory (and yes I’m calling David finishing second a victory for him) a little sweeter.
Maybe Emma or Lindsay could be Val’s teacher… 🙂
So happy for Rashad and Emma, well deserved.
I thought it was rude to whisk Rashad and Emma outside. No one got to speak not even David and Lindsay. Boo!
FIRST: YEAH FOR RASHAD AND EMMA = had to get that out. I hope the producers realize they should just leave the show alone.
Curious that Tom didn’t mention that Nicole won – he had a couple of times to say it and he didn’t. Maybe the producers were afraid it would remind people of Derek. I think Nicole was the best female dancer on the show – Rashad the best male.
I was angry they had no interview with Nancy to show the bromance. It was cute but not cute enough to dump Nancy. I loved the Simone and Sasha mini-freestyle.
I love the troupe and it was fun to see them get some time. I am so happy that it was David and Rashad at the end. Sorry Normani, but I can’t stand your partner.
So, so, so happy for Rashad and Emma won! The reward made up for the crap we had to deal with along the way. I’m actually really happy for Lindsay and David as well though, I thought getting them to second was a bit of a stretch a few weeks before this but, it ended exactly how I wanted with the given results from last week. 🙂
The season was stacked with female ringers and when the show does that fans will just vote for the male underdogs. The show really got their moneys worth with the Cubs fans. I personally never saw the appeal of David. Nice guy, sure, but most guys I know are just like him. Being nice is just what it is, I do not understand why anyone would vote for just nice over nice and talented. And not only nice AND talented, Rashad has an aptitude for dance, yet he worked like an sob all season, which sort of makes the others seem like they did not have the same focus. Normani by virture of her ringerdom really did not work much at all since those dances were mostly contemporary with a bit of ballroom thrown in. So I am glad that Rashad alone wins the mirrorball. I never thought the other two were as deserving.
First I want to thank the mods for another great season here at Pure. Since I discovered this site (years ago) you have become an essential part of my DWTS experience. Also, thanks for not deleting all the comments from the crazy Harmonizers, they really gave us great laughs all season. Funny how the more quiet and nice fans (Cubs) managed to put in more votes!!!
I could not have hoped for a better ending. Loved both Rashad and David. Also, both Emma and Lindsey deserved this! This season they both prooved themselves as some of the best female pros on this show! Great and memorable dances from both those couples! I actually think Lindsey is slowly mimiking Derek’s record of ranking on the show, since comming back she has been always in the semis or finals, and well deserved all of those times.
I wish we could have gotten the usual interview at the end, but guess we’ll see them in GMA!
I am so so happy!!! David and Rashad have been my faves from week 1. I just loved David and Lindsay’s partnership, but after Rashad’s freestyles…HE DESERVED THAT WIN. I really wish I could see the voting totals though…I would love to know who got the most votes because David coming in second was so unexpected. I really started to think he might win it all. So so happy for the top 2 guys and even happier for Emma and Lindsay.
2.5 hours and they still had to rush the ending. Part of the blame I give to Erin, who can’t seem to stop adlibbing. AND, Val was beaten by two girls.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist or anything, but do you think TPTB’s ‘turn around’ on Rashad came when he signed up to do the tour? They were pretty hell bent on getting Val to the finals and btb mirror balls, then just ‘suddenly’ Rashad was getting good votes?
It’s fairly simple, celina – David and Rashad got the most votes, easily. David, because he passed Normani by covering the 20k vote spread. Theoretically, Rashad could have won and gotten the least votes, but I think only David could have beaten him. The difference between him and Normani was too small – I’m sure he was beating her.
I think it’s likely that David covered the spread for Normani, but didn’t cover it for Rashad – he was pretty popular as well.
Not really, SueB. They might have stopped being so nitpicky, but they can’t mess with the votes. We’ve seen this happen many times, and long before they restarted the tour – that is, they pimp the crap out of someone just to get them to the semi- or quarter-finals. Once they get them there, the pimping stops. It’s happened to Val many times. Usually when it goes that way, the person they are pushing isn’t getting the votes, but they really want those two to stick around. Young fanbases have never been good voters, but they have watched the show and put it all over social media – both are valuable, and a good reason to want someone to stick around. Courtney and I both thought Rashad would win back in week 2 or so – he’s the real deal.
I’m so overjoyed! How many dared to hope that this jacked up season would end like this! True fans rewarding the real stars! So sweet to see David and fans overcome the point spread! And for Val to get slapped down a bit for his lackluster attitude, underwhelming choreography and stolen “freestyle” idea! Shame though that he will pin the blame on everyone but himself.
I loved seeing Heather, Nancy, and Simone dance again! Great to see Mr. T! And the “bromance” novel edit for Nick and Maks was funny! The show was definitely too long though and I hated not allowing the winning team to celebrate with the cast and audience in the ballroom. But the King and Queen of S24 can be celebrated the whole tour!
Thanks for keeping me updated the last 2 nights while I watched the Cubs game. Congrats to Rashad and David and Emma and Lindsay- the class of the ballroom this season.
Deliriously happy that Val will be pouting for a while. Truly hope he leaves and never comes back. Also thankful the Harmonizers are so stupid- the abrasive comments they have posted riled me and many friends to do some power voting against V and N.
First-I wish TPTB would STOP with wasting so much time doing fillers! I mean,how is it you can have a 2 1/2 hour show but only have less than 10 seconds with the winners and runner up!?
Second- I AM SO FREAKING ECSTATIC THAT RASHAD AND EMMA WON! And I am so happy David & Lindsay got runner up!
Third- I don’t know if this comment will be allowed BUT the Harmonizers are being extra crazy tonight.I get that they’re upset but to say that the reasons Normani got 3rd place was due to rigging and racism is utterly ridiculous.
Final thought-great contestants,horrible judging/manipulation going on but it did have a perfect ending ?
Last season when Hinch lost, I want to stop watch DWTS but then they announced Simone, Nancy and Heather will join season 24 so I watch again. I was rooting for those 3 but then Rashad show some smooth moves on GMA and also on his first dance from then I am Rashad all the way
When I read Len gives him 9 on his fusion dance, I was upset it will be Giles 3.0 or Hinch 2.0 all over again so I was pump that he won! I literally jumped from my chair at the office when I read that he won and David is the runner-up!
I hope TPTB realized, if they want another Emmy’s, they should invest on their female Pro (Lindsay, Emma, Sharna to name a few) and if they want male pro, they have Artem, Sasha and Gleb. Now that Emma got her mirror ball, its Lindsay and Sharna turn (this is coming from a viewer who always rooting for the celebrities and not the pro but season after season it’s so obvious which pro can choreograph and who can’t, no matter who the celebrities are)
I also read the Harmonizers yelling race? Do they realized that the winner also has the same race with Normani? I am totally confused, please someone educated me about this
Congrats Rashad and Emma! You two totally deserved it and David, you are also the winner to everyone, you just proved that votes can do so much different!
And thank you Mods for your hard work!
I’m so, so happy that Rashad & Emma won! I’ve loved Emma since day 1, and to see her finally win a season – and with someone so lovable and dedicated as Rashad – is more than I dared hope for!
I’m so disgusted by the horrible comments Harmonizers are making on Twitter that I think I’ll stay clear of it for awhile (and I hope Emma & Rashad will as well). I’m sure that Normani is a nice girl, and she is talented, but that (like many others here have expressed) was part of the rub this season. Give me a celeb with no dancing experience (who is very likable & hard working) as the winner every season and I’ll be a happy DWTS viewer!
And, it was so nice to see that the fans didn’t let the manipulation rule this season (especially after Hinch got robbed last season)! I know David wasn’t the best dancer, but he & Lindsey shared a great bond and worked their butts off this season! Also, there is a reason that he received so many votes – he has a wonderful attitude and is a very likable guy. Unlike Val who is so smug and full of himself that it truly distracts from his partner. No one is more deserving than Val for a slice of humble pie in my opinion.
But, getting back to Emma – she is just a sweetheart and I couldn’t be happier for her & Rashad. She is so deserving and it makes their win even more special because of their wonderful bond and how hard the two of them worked for this!
I can’t believe Val actually called Normani one of the show’s best ballroom dancers when she hardly did any actual ballroom dancing. Geez. And he actually pretended to cry.
I’m watching the show via DVR and Val seems like he’s pouting and has a fake smile during the whole beginning of the show.
David and Lindsay’s video of their partnership made me cry because they were crying and you can see the partnership love that they have for each other. Awwww. David is such a sweetheart!!
Rashad is da man!!
I liked Nick tonight, he is so sincerely sarcastic. When he talked to Erin it was like the voice of reason in a flaming garbage barge of a season.
The Dirty Dancing ads look really bad! Like when the guy who is playing Jonny talks about nobody puttin’ Baby in the corner, he didn’t sound very convincing. The dancers with Nicole looked much older than me, and this is supposed to be about teenagers and early twenty-somethings?
The fake A Team PSA was amazing but they forgot the third and most important piece of Mr T PSA advice in the Mr T PSA trifecta: be good to your mom! I can’t wait to call my mom and gma tomorrow to chat about Rashad and Emma’s victory!
Did anyone see Rashad’s face when they announced Normani in 3rd place? Priceless!!
I stopped watching live since Nancy left, and I think I’ll continue to do so next season and just watch the dances on youtube and read the commentary here. That’s why I watched DWTS; to see fun/good dances, not for this manipulation BS. Still thankful for you guys here though!
THRILLED that Rashad and Emma won. And I think Normani and Val getting third just puts the manipulation into stark relief; most contestants with her scores/skills would usually get at least second. It happened like it happened with Ginger in S22; TPTB could get her to the finale, but the audience didn’t like her enough (at least in comparison to the winner/runner-up) to vote for her to win.
Rashad wasn’t my fave, but I really liked him, and I thought he worked hard but still took the experience for what it was and had fun. He deserved the trophy. And I’m ecstatic that Emma finally has a mirrorball. She deserves it.
I’m just so happy for Rashad and Emma. My fave dance couple won the season.
Talent won and not how big is the fandom. Harmonizers are ridiculous, acting like their girl should win and show is rigged. Please, you didn’t vote for her hahaha because of you, general public didn’t want to vote for Normani. They dislike her. This show didn’t bring her any new fans or admires. Maybe if she was paired with someone else and not ego Val,…
Rashad and Emma showed us the most this season: best choreography, chemistry, improvement, Rashad is very likeable person, he is not fake, almost every week they were the best….VERY WELL DESERVED WIN.
Despite its length, I thought the finale show was fast-paced and fun. So much talent and great dancing this season. Happy with the outcome too. Thanks for this site and the mods. Enjoy the summer everyone!
This is my first time posting. Thanks to all the mods for your hard work. The first show I watched DWTS was S 19 – couldn’t make any sense of Sharna and Charlie being booted out. Finally I found your site and the light shone. You have made watching DWTS much more predictable and enjoyable. I now understand the manipulation.
Congrats to Rashad and Emma! So thrilled Emma snatched her first mbt! I hope this means she’ll get great partners from now on. Also, on twitter the Harmonizers were trending #NotMyDWTSWinner. How petty can they be? I hope the show never invites Normani back. Her fans are ugly sorry. No manners to congratulate the winner. Even the group members tweeted shady things. Absolutely childish.
What a great night! So awesome to see the right couple win! Emma and Rashad deserved it so much. Congratulations!
Why didn’t they do the usual stuff at the end of the show? I missed it a little bit. But on the other hand, a clever change: It gave Emma some space to celebrate whithout having Sasha on her in the finale moments –
which belong to the winners. Thumbs up!
And I’m so over the whole Chmerkovskiy-clan (and the whole extended fam as well). The producers should hire a few independent pros next season, it would mix the show up – in a positive way. Something fresh, please!
After an absolutely awful and disappointing last 7 months for me for various reasons, it’s so, so sweet to see Emma and Rashad win this!
Congratulations are in order for David and Lindsay as well. They were an entertaining and heartfelt team.
I realize the Normani fans are disappointed and perhaps angry. My challenge to you is to funnel that energy into something positive, perhaps rallying and fighting against bullying since Normani has suffered from it. Or rasism and misogyny. Just fight the good fight. Okay, Mom is getting off the soapbox.
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I took notice of Rashad with the first Cha Cha but thought he might go in the semis, like most footballers who didn’t have as strong a fan base as the footballers who won, but then his Contemporary changed everything for me. He proved he has that mystical quality that many dancers only dream they could have. You have to wonder how good he would be if he had early dance training, his life may have gone in a completely different direction. His fascination with writing and the arts makes me think this diamond in the rough has an opportunity to change course and I am so happy this cheesy mirrorball validates his passion and work ethic. Congrats to the fans who saw it in him. Despite the Normani noise in the end Rashads journey has been one of the coolest ever on this show.
I was shocked and so freaking happy when Courtney posted that Normani was in third place that I turned on to watch the champion crowned! I am so happy for Rashad and Emma! Rashad because he took this seriously, worked hard and had a fantastic partnership with Emma. And sweet Emma, who has taken so much crap from this show during her tenure, yet nothing but positive from her all along!
To TPTB, let this be a lesson to you! Pimping someone and her partner to high heaven may just come back to bite you in the butt! The second best part of last night was seeing Val place third! The look on his face was priceless! I’d like to think he might learn something from this, I’m not holding my breath!
Lastly, to the harmonizers, you reap what you sow! After all your crowing about how you “know how to vote”, well guess what? The general public showed you that they really know how to vote (and they don’t brag endlessly about it)! And now they cry racism (Rashad, Donald, Emmitt, Amber) or sexism (what? 13 of 24 winners were female). They say they aren’t going to ever watch this show again? I’d be willing to bet 90% of them only tuned in because Normani was on, but whatever! Put the blame where it belongs; on a pro partner who never gave Normani the kind of choreography that she could handle and that was innovative (Val take some lessons from the females, most notably Emma and Lindsay)! Oh and harmonizers, blame YOURSELVES! If you hadn’t been so obnoxious maybe more of the general audience would have supported her!
I didn’t watch last night because I was just too nervous. I checked online to see who won at about 11:05PM! SO VERY HAPPY for Rashad and Emma!!!
So much for the Harmonizer’s Power Voting! LOL Just because you are a HUGE Social Media presence, that don’t mean jack! David and Rashad won over the general public and Rashad’s killer freestyle sealed the deal last night!
I told one decent Harmonizer over twitter this morning that Normani is a beautiful dancer but she can pretty much blame her loss on her Pro and his lack of choreo/costuming skills. Just like Zendaya in S16. Val choreoed a lackluster FS for her as well. I agree. Val needs to take some hip-hop, contemporary classes to up his game. But then I suppose he doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with his technique. C’est La Vie….this is why he will never be as good as our beloved Derek.
TPTB, even with their attempt at manipulation, had it backfire and for that, I am grateful! All is not lost…yet 😉
Thank you Heidi, Courtney, Vogue, John and Lori for another outstanding season here at Pure! It’s this blog that makes the show tolerable! Enjoy the summer….I know y’all are blogging World of Dance so I look forward to more greatness 😀 I can actually watch it as I’m off work 5/30 😉
Lindsay, David, Rashad and Emma have the winning attitude in life! David said how incredibly happy he was that Rashad & Emma won and Lindsay & David feel like they won getting to second place. And Tristan MacManus tweeted how deserving Emma is! Oh I miss that hunk.
Then there’s Val. He couldn’t manage to tweet a congrats to Emma/Rashad or David/Lindsay. There’s something wrong with the way the C brothers view the world. Maks responded to Val making it to the final 3 but not winning with, “Sun doesn’t always shine on us but when it does it shines the brightest. Enjoy the shade and more than well deserved rest.” Good grief! Get some therapy.
Ha! Sharna tweeted this morning:
“Wait… why my feed blown up with harmonizers hatin on me because Normani didn’t win… lol You should’ve voted as much as you throw shade”
Normani seems like a sweet girl. I’m a bit surprised she doesn’t tweet something to her fans to tell them to stop with the rude, profanity-laden, threatening messages they are tweeting & instagraming to apparently everyone. Not saying anything makes it look like she condones it. They are her fans.
*one lady tweeted for a Normani fan to please stop to which the Harmonizer called her a “broke whore” before going off on a rant. Lovely fans.
Thank you moderators for all your hard work keeping us informed during another Season of DWTS. Being here really helped me tolerate this season, and PHeidi & Courtney, you sure can predict each season and see right through TPTB and the judges. Have a great summer and enjoy.
First off thank you to the mods for putting up with a very interesting season!
I did the math yesterday (before the numbers post) with the guess that David would get a 36 for his fusion and Normani would get a 40 (because nothing is all that much of a surprise for finale’s anymore) and I had a very large feeling that David would end up in second. So glad I wasn’t wrong!
I could not be happier for Emma and Rashad!!! You can just tell how appreciative she was to finally have a contender. Where some pro’s get handed ringer after ringer and just expect to do well, there was never a single week where she took it for granted. Thank god the right people won!
It might make me a bad person, but right now I am living for all the butt hurt harmonizers crying all over Twitter. Almost makes all the tomfoolery worth it 🙂
That’s why the Harmonizers lost – too much focus on twitter trends and too quick to make enemies. If they were NICE people, maybe they would have picked up new Normani fans along the way and increased her odds. And if they would quit watching youtube and worrying about twitter trends and focused on VOTING, perhaps they would have won. And I mean real voting, not that pretend BS story they were trying to sell. Odds are good that what they were doing wasn’t counting. There’s no legit way to get that many votes.
All Normani’s fans talk about how horribly she was bullied – they should take a long hard look in the mirror. And I agree – Normani should say something.
Maks and Val need an intervention, fer god’s sake.
Someone told me to kill myself because I thought Val’s freestyle was a rip of the use of kids by a better pro dance we saw earlier this season. I told that person to stop with the death threats. Imagine…because of a dance show. These Harmonizers are out of control childish bullies.
Could not be happier for Emma & Rashad esp Emma cuz I’ve been watching her for so many seasons and she’s never really had someone she could really do something with -no offense to those celebs.
Val needs to take a long train ride to HumbleTown.
Maks need to be a stay at home dad and let Peta be the main bread winner.
Both C-Bros need to to learn restraint when in public. They act like that loud kid in kindergarten who feels the need to constantly talk and yell because they’re the most awesome, amazing kid EVER. And if they don’t make a lot of noise, the other kids might won’t pay attention to them, which is the worst fate for kids like that.
On GMA this morning, Val spoke and was featured more than Emma, which pissed me off.
Why didn’t Emma get a video message from her family or Sasha? Girl has at least earned that!
Leigh-I agree with you. I highly doubt any Harmonizers watched the show before and I’m glad none of them will again. I have never seen this level of hatred and vileness from a fan base.
The judges said it themselves; Normani has been the most consistent. That’s not what the show is about for most people. It’s about taking non-dancers and enjoying how much they learn and grow. Congratulations to Rashad and Emma! I wish their win wasn’t surrounded by all this negativity.
So thrilled to wake up to the news Emma and Rashad won and Val got third
I used to be a huge fan of the C bros until I realized what egos they truly had the baby does seem to have calmed Maks down a bit
My phone somehow posted my comment and I wasn’t even finished
It was ridiculous that the show was 2.5 hours long I haven’t watched since Simone was eliminated it was hard to sit through before
This show needs a makeover less manipulation new judges no C brothers no Erin she annoys me to much
And the mods can look on the bright side no Normani anymore means no more of her fan base to put up with
Although I wonder how the mods keep themselves sane with all they see and put up with year after year
I think in future seasons if there’s anyone on that I want to see I’ll just stick with this site and YouTube
Kinda hysterical that they are going after sharna. They need to get over it becuase fourth harmony and normani are not exactly doing anything to stop it which says a lot about them but I guess bad press is better than no press when the band is one that will fade into obscurity soon when the next flavor of the month comes around.
Imo this Emma/Rashad win is a very good thing for the show at this point. If Val/Normani won I think it would have significantly eaten away at the credibility and future enjoyment of the show (as its been doing for some time now) for a lot of us long time watchers – why vote or even watch if they are just going to manipulate it and “give” it to who they want? Maybe i’m stating the obvious but just thought I’d say it anyway.
By the way – nothing against Normani – I like her and enjoyed her dancing and voted for her some this season.
I don’t post hardly at all but have enjoyed this blog now for a number of seasons – HUGE THANKS!!! esp to PH and Court, for doing all that work for us 🙂
Anyone going to watch SYTYCD AND WORLD OF DANCE ?
# Maria_D
Normani is petty as her fans are. She only tweets about herself and when she needs help from Harmonizers to vote for her she will tweet about that. She has ugly personality. She even used her DWTS picture to talk about attack in Manchester, disgusting. Not even one girl from 4H said congrats Rashad, read their tweets and you will see how shady they are. No wonder their fandom is full of bullies, rude, childish, if their idols are same as them. It looks like they support that attitude. Just look tweets by their parents, they were shady too. Harmonizers have no manners, they think Normani lost because she is black, for them third place means racism and bullying. They are daily bullying ex member of this group and she is quiet, not going on tv shows talking about how she is bullied as Normani is doing. Normani is never going to say something to her fans, she even follows the one who are shady and very rude tweet to her ex member. Maybe this is reason why general public was not voting for her, they saw she is fake. Val was just another reason not to vote for them.
Glad this season is over and next season please no 5H member. One was enough for 15 years. We are lucky two of them can’t dance for life and one is lazy.
Very happy Emma was able to win with Rashad.
I was wrong in my prediction and I’m SO happy for Emma and Rashad. Easily one of my top 5 pairs ever on the show. Great job Lindsay and Dave too. Plus, Normani is darling, hope she has continued success in her music.
Hit submit too early: one person on Facebook actually said the following to me: “you are a hater and I hope you get sick for making that joke” (I said that somewhere there is a trophy case in Val’s house that he will Be staring at all day crying in a convo with my friend under his Facebook status). This was a 14 year old. Normani and the band really have a classy fan base don’t they
At least, Pure has one rational Harmonizer, Jada, #95 that nicely commented above nice congrats to Rashad!
Unbelievable what some of the Harmonizers are saying and calling the race card which doesn’t make sense since Rashad is black too. Maybe they aren’t watching the show? One person calls the race card on social media and it “must” be true. Smh
Hope Emma and Lindsay got to talk on GMA!! Congrats to the both hard working innovative beauties! Unfortunately, it sounds like Val and Ginger got lots of air time. Gag.
Congratulations to Rashad and Emma! All of their hard work and dedication paid off. I think the final push for them to win the fan vote was their freestyle and their Monday night package. I love that the fans couldn’t be swayed in the end.
Good for them. 🙂 So happy for both of them.
Anyone know where I can get a glitter golf cart? Also, that idea may have seemed good on paper, but it fizzled in actuality.
Correction to last post as I have no way of proving they are manipulating anything. It seems as though they are manipulating people’s vote by the shows editing and judging/critiquing.
I watched the clips from GMA on the ABC page and all 3 couples couldn’t have been nicer. I think when the pressure is off Val can be a lot of fun. But of course it is who you are when the pressure is on and Emma and Lindsay could sure teach a lesson in grace.
I am thrilled for Rashad, maybe I’ll buy a Tour Ticket after all.
thrilled rashad and emma won! its even funnier normani got third (though I conceded she deserved second).
I’m sure normani is a nice person, well no im like almost 100% sure but her fans make her just not want to root for her. they always make up these excuses when really you just didn’t vote and I think I read somewhere they were attacking/spamming sharna too… how is it her fault?
riduclous. I might’ve even been tempted to root for them if it wasn’t for her fans. lauren or whatever her name was whispered (you are the real winner). way to be a sore loser.
Yo Jazz, where you at girl? You’ve been telling us all season how Normani was going to win. What happened girl? LOL
if her fans would’ve have been so… rude and all, I would have voted for them, or atleas tsplit my votes.
did you see the post about the girl who voted 5760 times? that’s crazy. its just a show…
@curtissdd1 The nasty Harmonizers notwithstanding, I love all dance shows even the ones I get incensed about, so of course I will watch those shows. I can’t wait.
She finally got blocked, M8. 🙂 We have our limits.
Ecstatic that R&E won and so happily surprised D&L pulled out 2nd. Love that the best partnerships and great choreography won the public over and that producer manipulation and horribly rude fans did not win….makes me want to watch S25 instead of give up on the show!
Thanks to the mods for all your work in a really aggravating season; this site always makes a season of dwts so much better!
On one hand I’m ecstatic at these results, but it’s also a little sad to have any little smidgen of a doubt that I ever had removed that we would’ve had a Rashad, David, and Simone finale if TPTB didn’t work so hard to screw over Simone. Nonetheless, congrats to Rashad and Emma! I’m so glad they won. What a great season they had! Also congratulations to David on being a great guy and doing far better than anyone thought he would from the start. And good for Lindsay for having another great season.
This has got me thinking of my top 5 ever
Rashad and Emma — from the get go Nancy was a fave but Rashad got me with that Contemporary. Wonderful journey, Great Freestyle, Just no words What makes him great is his authentic self in his dances.
Hinch and Sharna — from day 1 Hinch was special loved all his Ballroom – Best all time VW. What makes him great is his complete dive into character, so different from Rashad in that respect.
Nicole and Derek — Evan fan to week 5 and then the Hough choreo and her dancing took over with best Paso, Foxtrot, Tango, AT incredible technique amazing dancing.
Apolo and Julianne –from week 2 Apolo blew me away with his QS. cutest partnership ever, most innovative Rumba ever, sexiest Samba ever, very strong technique.
Gilles and Cheryl –Tied for best AT ever, Sexiest Paso ever, and loved the Salsa, Waltz and Foxtrot
@Casanova – good to hear. I watch most every talent show there is as I believe these shows are some of the best tv has to offer (along w hgtv and history channel 🙂 )
I read the ratings for last night and they were the worst they’ve had. 1.3 audience share in the 18-49 catagory so this relentless pursuit of the young viewer hasn’t given any dividends. Maybe the show should really try to not keep the younger dancer around with inflated scores at the expense of other fan faves.
I’m still on cloud nine about the well deserved win Tuesday by Rashad and Emma so I hope you can put up with some more thoughts.
-I’m still disappointed about Nancy’s exit. I believe it was hastened by that immunity cooked up to save Normani and Val. I’m mostly P.O. that she never got a generous critique or a 10 as a bonus because she was going. Surely one of the stooges could have rewarded 1 of Nancy and Artem’s content filled, well performed routines with a 10!
-By the time Simone was eliminated, I not only saw it coming, I was actually relieved for her because clearly, the downright nastiness had taken a huge toll on her and this wasn’t fun anymore. Talk about, “You should be ashamed of yourselves!” And throw in some phonies not owning up to their actions! Funny but I clearly remember Simone saying they were trying to work something out where she’d tour with DWTS. Who screwed whom over there?
-I really enjoyed David and Lindsay! And with every week that certain fans/bloggers ect complained about his continued presence, the more I loved it! Even though his popularity clearly affected the results and caused Nancy and Simone to be eliminated, the only thing I hated about that was nastiness from the DWTS staff that disheartened those wonderful women! And sorry, but I’m including Tom and Erin in this too. When they act soooooooo shocked at certain eliminations, they are clearly saying, someone else (Nick, Bonner, David) didn’t deserve to stay over you.
-I was hoping that Val would craft his usual lack luster freestyle so that at least I could feel superior when Emma and Lindsay out performed him. But WOW, what an incredible cheap trick he tried to pull!!! Nothing about that performance was tailored to his partner! I would have liked it better if he at least had Grandma and Maks instead of the little advertisements! I can hardly believe that neither Len nor Bruno mentioned the “Strictly” performance but since they surely knew before hand, camera blocking at least, they had time to discuss whether to call him out publicly.
-Very, very well played Emma in not really using the “neither of us have ever won anything before” until the very end. She’s a fabulous woman! Now if only TPTB will appreciate you a bit more…..
-Speaking of freestyles, I was blown away by David’s and Rashad’s for different reasons. Both were so fresh, fun, engaging and personal to each man. AND well performed! But that Rashad actually helped to choreograph his! What a partnership! Rashad and Emma’s reactions to realizing that they won were Insta classics! The only thing that spoiled that was that I love the celebrations in the ballroom where we see everyone rush over to congratulate them. Or not.
-I know this is mean as hell but perhaps it will be appreciated here or at least understood. DWTS won’t have a gazillion more seasons so Val Precious will never get his back to back wins now! And while he is the proud owner of 2 MBT, that club isn’t all that exclusive, is it?
That got me curious so I looked up the ratings for the final show for the last few seasons.
Season 20: Finale Night 2, 18-49 Demo = 2.30, Total Viewers = 13.488 million
Season 21: Finale Night 2, 18-49 Demo = 2.37, Total Viewers = 13.490 million
Season 22: Finale Night 2, 18-49 Demo = 1.58, Total Viewers = 10.492 million
Season 23: Finale Night 2, 18-49 Demo = 1.78, Total Viewers = 10.974 million
Season 24: Finale Night 2, 18-49 Demo = 1.30, Total Viewers = 8.839 million
2 million less viewers than last season’s final show & a whopping 4.5 million less viewers than seasons 20 & 21! The drastic drop can partly be attributed to the show just having run its course but I think it definitely was affected by the producers rigging the judges votes & manipulating the editing to force someone through who the audience wasn’t voting for.
I think the show is in decline, it’s inevitable, and it was much too long. I could see how a lot of people would say the heck with that! The Voice is having same issue though even with the mega star judges. In fact, TV in general isn’t doing all hot it seems. I K
“I’m still disappointed about Nancy’s exit. I believe it was hastened by that immunity cooked up to save Normani and Val. I’m mostly P.O. that she never got a generous critique or a 10 as a bonus because she was going. Surely one of the stooges could have rewarded 1 of Nancy and Artem’s content filled, well performed routines with a 10!”
I’m with you on that Colleen. I think a 10 would have meant a helluva lot in terms of keeping her around, so they lowballed her. I also thought Nancy got the bums rush last night while Nick got a bromance with the Ukranian Bachelor… Putting her in a cute skit was ok, I guess, but MR T was the star of that along with Charo and Chris Kattan, so it was not the top of the rung. No extra little bumpers…just a quick Samba in which they didn’t even talk to her just went to Nick. I guess it was supposed to be funny. I wanted to see more Nancy.
I think they should have had just a 1 hour finale night. This 2 1/2 hrs with a bunch of fillers is ridiculous. I don’t know the reason why it’s so long. If DWTS is obligated for the loser celebs to have their last hurrah, or what. Except for a couple moments here and there before the big reveal of the winner, I found it to be very boring.
Just wanted to add how refreshing it was to see the “fam” humbled this season. The three of them walked into the season as if they owned the show. I recall in an early interview Maks said his competition this season would be Val. They really thought they could carry the show.
And no Derek to blame it on. 😀
ive even stopped watching live… partly because I don’t have cable but also its all online now. not to mention sometimes the judges aren’t judging fairly and its kind of obvious.
I don’t blame maks for saying his main competition would be val… I mean normani, simone and heather were the front runners/ringers this season so I do see warrant for that.
I also think some of the fans turned me off from this show this year.. especially the harmonizers. it wasn’t fun to watch.
I thought it was interesting that the guy who’s playing Johnny on Dirty Dancing said on access hollywood live that he was a back up DWTS dancer the same season that Nicole won.
I was disappointed that the celebs didn’t get to dance on GMA this morning. Val tried hard to get attention by making a solo entrance by taking too long to change his clothes, giving Normani a teddy bear that says “point your toes”, etc.
I was doing my happy dance when i watched this morning. I had to work last nite so i was trying to contain myself not checking who the winner was, but i couldn’t do it. I knew if Shad and Emma didn’t win i couldn’t watch. I honestly don’t think i have ever been this happy my favorite dancer won. I was beyond sad last year when Hinch lost. The heart of America showed TPTB that we will not be manipulated to vote for who THEY want us to. Shad made everyone fall in love with him. Although, it is heartbreaking to watch all the hate from the Harmonizers, and even more sad Normani basically is condoning it by staying silent. Doesn’t paint her in a good light with all the Bullying she claimed to experience from social media, yet she allows her fans to do the EXACT same thing. She should be ashamed of herself. Yea, America definitely voted for the right person. Congrats to Rashad and Emma, and David and Lindsey for being 2nd. NEVER underestimate the heart of true fan. David’s fans alone proved that. I will say i did take pleasure to see the look on Val’s face when they announced them as 3rd. With the Judges usual raving on and on and on about Normani being the best dancer ever, you could see that both of them knew they had this in the bag. It was nice to see him taken down a notch.
Thanks to the mods for keeping it real and always reminding us that having a lot of loud and obnoxious twitter followers (Harmonizers) doesn’t necessarily mean votes, or a win. I’m so glad Rashad and Emma won!! I hope they ignore the sore losers, and that includes Zendaya who thinks her baby girl Normani got “Me’d”. The show would be better off streamlining the finale into an hour show because 2 1/2 hours was way too long!
Well I knew Rashad would win as I predicted in my last post. It’s not hard to see the signs. He went last 3 shows in a row. You can clearly see the shoe pushing for him. When they announced he was doing the tour it was set in stone. I didn’t like them doing that.
I never cared for Rashad. I don’t feel he deserved. I’m only happy for Emma. I said this before, but I hope Emma and Sasha are the future.
I’m past the point of pros I like or pros I hate. I’m passed the point of “journeys”. I’m now bothered how every pro pushes for that. Gushing about how great their partner is and they hard they work and what they been thru in their lives. Yadda yadda. Cry me a river. It doesn’t seem authentic anymore.
I had my favs win and I had my favs lose. For me, I hope this show someone goes back to it being about the dancing first.
This is my least favorite season. A total bust. It’s rare to have so many great dancers on one season. Heather being eliminated early, Nancy early, my favs Simone and Sasha not making it to finals. I was deprived of watching great dancing. In favor of people like Bonner and David. Then normani getting 3rd?
At this point all I care about is watching good dances. Dancing comes first for me. I hope somehow it’ll be about the dancing again.
I’m also tired of people voting for pros. I hope somehow it can go back to the celeb.
Ringers aren’t ringers. It’s rare the best dancers win. Ringers have now become a disadvantage. And if you’re a pro who already won, it’s now harder to win again.
I love Emma. So happy for her. But for me, I hope certain changes cam be made.
I will forever be bitter I didn’t get a Simone and Sasha freestyle, or redemption or fusion.
I will also always be u happy with not seeing Heather and Nancy do more different style of dances.
Thanks
As far as Normani goes, I truly do feel bad for her. Her and Val were the best whether you were a fan of theirs or not. She is arguably the best the show has ever had. They arguably had the best dances/season ever on the show. Whether or I liked them or not I can give credit where it’s due.
However, her fans dropped the ball. They didn’t vote or didn’t vote enough. Welcome to DWTS were votes matter. No one to blame but themselves.
@Jacksons. You’re forgetting the HUGELY important, “in your eyes” on your post! While I enjoyed several of Normani’s performances, I haven’t replayed and single one! I was so sick of her high kick (with poor posture) by yesterday that I was ready to throw something thru my TV screen. Although, I did see some improvement of that ubiquitous move by the finale!
As for one of the all time best dancers – You haven’t seen many seasons have you? And in what style are you talking? ‘Cause she did little ballroom/Latin content, what this dance show is about. Best female contestants, I’d personally site Nicole Scherzinger, Kellie Pickler, Meryl Davis, Shawn Johnson, Bindi Irwin. I really enjoyed Paige VanZant and Terra Jole. And then there’s the men……….
I don’t think Normani was the best dancer the show’s ever had. I think Nicole Scherzinger had a better flow because she at least did Ballroom while Normani literally had hardly any. Every week with Normani was like the same dance but with them in different costumes.
I think we can make plenty of ‘arguments’ as to why Normani isn’t the”best dancer who had the best dances/season ever on the show”. I give you Bindi Irwin! A 17 year old who couldn’t even walk in heels when she started her journey on the show. With an outstanding personality who made everyone on DWTS fall in love with her!
I also don’t think her fans dropped the ball in voting. It’s that the general voting public like Rashad and David BETTER! They appealed to the general public moreso than Normani. I know people who don’t even bother to vote until the Finale. And most of those people voted for Rashad, hence the reason for his win. His killer freestyle helped seal the deal!
I’d say that if anyone were to blame for Normani’s 3rd place finish, it would be her Pro partner, Val. He choreographed lackluster routines and that freestyle was a copout, imho. It’s a shame that Normani’s talent was wasted. She’d have been STELLAR with someone like Mark or Derek. Oh well.
Normani was not even CLOSE to the best this show has ever seen. She probably doesn’t even crack the top 10. She definitely doesn’t if you include the quality of the dances as choreographed.
:::rolls eyes::: Please, Jackson. Ringers are still ringers…the only reason they don’t succeed is because the pros that get them most often don’t know what to do with them – looking at you, Maks and Val. It’s like asking a Olympic skater to win gold without skates or a gymnast to win gold on the beam without the beam – that’s how important choreography is to dance. And if you ain’t got it, you need help from the producers and a massive ringer in order to win.
The “shoe” didn’t push for anyone other than Normani until the semi-final. At that point, the producers likely saw that Normani was not going to get a surge in votes and she was being beaten by Rashad and David, so they gave up. Getting her to the finale was all they needed. We’ve seen that story play out over and over and over again. Tough shit. She’s lucky they got her past Simone in the Semi-final by them underscoring Simone and over scoring her – Simone needed more than 20k votes per million to stay over Normani. In that SAME semi-final, Rashad – the guy you claim was pimped over her – was FOUR POINTS behind her!! Only the completely irrational can say that the guy who was criticized for his feet for 8 weeks and was four points back was the one who was “pushed”.
He must have been talking about some random show dance, Heart, because there was no troupe then, and there were no extra dancers in the freestyle.
Rashad is full of fun and yes I loved his Cha Cha, but the three dances I keep watching are his Contemporary, his Viennese Waltz the week 2 and the sequel, the improvement arc is real..right to his finger tips, just beautiful, and his Rumba. Such a damn shame about that lighting because for me, that is probably the best Rumba ever by a male on this show. The choreography was beautiful, the chemistry and connection was intense, and the music was perfect.
Ringer or not, contestants still need fans. Normani just did not have them when it counted. This girl got propped up all season, so the show was doing what it could but it takes scores and votes to Tango.
I have a list of Female dancers who IMHO had superior Ballroom and Latin technique to Normani:
Nicole Scherzinger
Kristie Yamaguchi
Stacy Keibler
Jennifer Grey
Melanie Brown
Paige Van Zant
Mya
Zendaya
Kellie Pickler
Nancy Kerrigan
Shawn Johnson
Simone Biles
Heather Morris
Meryl Davis
Sabrina Bryan
And there were countless others who did well with inferior technique to Normani but were just more likable overall and thus got 2nd place or higher. People like Katherine Jenkins, Brooke Burke, Bindi, Amber, Kirstie Ali, etc
I never thought I’d get to know a fanbase that’s more obnoxious than Juggaloes, but then I learned all about Harmonizers this season!
Who were those sneering, salty-faced ladies that the camera panned to after Normani was announced 3rd place?
Were those her fans, or are they her coworkers from 5H?!
#175- Either you haven’t watched all the seasons of DWTS or you may need a vision exam. I don’t think Normani would ever be included in the list of top, memorable dancers on the show. Above her, by far: Jennifer Grey, Bindi Irwin, Amy Purdy (Yes, Amy was incredible), Kellie Pickler, Shawn Johnson, Nicole S. I don’t think it is a coincidence that they all were partnered by Derek- someone who knows how to teach, choreograph to strengths, and brings out the best. He knows how to entertain.
Precious can’t do any of those things. He needs TPTB to make him look good and his partners never get opportunities to grow with him.
#184 #Nukegrrrl those were the tone deaf girls of 5H
#Jacksons, Completely agree about dancing being #1. It should be. And the judges should be scoring on standards of dance, but that is not always the case.
On the first few seasons, the show only had 2 dances that couples would do that day. (say ChaChaCha or Waltz) They would then have a pro pair demo the dance in proper style/technique to educate the audience on what elements to look for with the contestants. With the Stars, the judges would comment on content/shaping/performance and give a score that helped guide the voters as well. It felt like dance was impt, and the show wanted to expand the audience understanding & to appreciate good dance as well as improve the Star’s technique.
Sadly, that is not the case anymore. DWTS is no longer just Ballroom & Latin, but has included dances the judges don’t have standards for (contemporary/jazz/etc) and has diluted the ballroom dances with hip hop/stepping/line dance & dif kinds of novelty numbers like flamenco/bhangra to the point that some Stars don’t get a rounded experience anymore.
So if fans are in agreement we want the emphasis back on ballroom & latin dance, what should we do about it? I’m with you & open to suggestions.
Thanks for the reply, Casanova! Always enjoy your posts.
Judging from those girls’ faces I think it’s safe to say that’s the last we’ll see of them on DWTS! I hope, anyways.
@ maina further up the thread: agreed about TLC’s Chilli being a likely Star! The way they kept panning to Chilli in the audience during boy/girl group night, and Erin’s comments about her six pack abs, also her songwriter, babyface, having been on DWTS prior, makes me think this is not the last we’ll see of that six pack!
PS If we are judging with ballroom/latin standards, I’m afraid Normani would not make the top 30 list. She didn’t learn/execute the dances given. You would have to ask Val why he left content out of most of them.
So clearly Normani was not getting the votes if David was able to beat her with a 15-point margin… I’m just confused. What was the point of pimping her so much? They have been giving her scores over 38 since week 5 and mostly perfect scores if not for Len. Her running order also tells me she was not a big vote getter unlike Simone Rashad Bonner and David of course. She is not even a Disney/ABC girl or promoting anything that would help ABC nor is Val doing the tour. I’m just trying to figure out what was the purpose of getting her to the finals. She didn’t even increase the key demographic with all those crazy harmonizers, which I’m surprised since I have seen millions of them on twitter. Im guessing they probably didn’t watch the show or voted. I don’t get it. I can see the case with the likes of Ginger, Janel, Chelsea because they were affilated with the network but Normani has nothing to do with them. The finale would’ve had better ratings if it was Rashad David and Simone I mean having a current Olympic champion would be an advertisement’s dream. Why sacrifice Simone when Normani wasn’t even getting a big amount of votes. Or maybe she was just the lowest vote getter of the finalists and got by. I dont see the logic behind pushing her so hard if it had no positive outcomes for anyone. Maybe they wanted a bigger social presence. Who knows??
“However, her fans dropped the ball. They didn’t vote or didn’t vote enough. Welcome to DWTS were votes matter. No one to blame but themselves.”
I don’t think her fans dropped the ball at all. She just doesn’t have that many fans compared to Rashad and David. It’s that simple really.
#187 #Carol I was just thinking the other day about how they would have 2 styles of dance & have half the cast do one and the other half do the other. I liked that we could see right then how people stacked up against one another by doing the same dance. It is also obvious which dances have real content when you could point out 4-5 other people in that same show that were doing the same dance. I really wish they would go back to that format again at least for the first half of the show.
I think it would also be helpful when they do these shows where they introduce the dance and say these are the key elements that we are looking for in the dance in order to educate the audience better. Then the audience understands the judges critiques better. I feel that they did a better job of explaining these things in the earlier seasons. maybe they think we are so many seasons in that it isn’t necessary anymore but when you consider that new viewers follow their favorites onto the show they need to educate every season.
#190 # Clay I have been trying to figure out the point of promoting her as well. I really don’t think her fan base is as big as they claim to be. At least not the American fan base. I heard that they have a bigger international set that helps them win their various voting competitions. And the constant use of their music perplexed me as well. I don’t think 5H have had a single #1 song.
Not only are their fans not winning anyone over, neither are the band members. Apparently one tweeted “Lol I know damn well Harmonizers game through with them votes though?? Was goin onnn..” and another tweeted “Weeeeellllllllllllll we all know who REALLY won that right?! My bby girl is the queen for LYF”.
This attitude on social media is interesting because the hate that Kordei received on twitter last year was in regard to something she said or hesitated to say about Camila Cabello who left the group earlier this year. It’s strange because it suggests that it was Cabello’s fans who would have presumably been 5H fans at the time. It got bad enough that Cabello posted something on twitter along the lines of not condoning the attacks on Kordei. I think Kordei should say something similar to her fans that are attacking everyone else for Kordei’s loss otherwise she is condoning the sort of behavior that caused her to leave social media. Ironic huh?
Archinerd, Thanks.
My minimum criteria would be 4 Ballroom & 4 Latin for everyone. Then something less structured, but only after week 5. (you have to earn your treat)
And yes, having 5 or 6 stars do the same dance on the same night is really helpful for the viewer to develop an eye/feel for that style. If they did that weeks 1-4, it would bring back a structure from the early days that added to the show’s appeal for people who love dance.
I watch now with friends who don’t have ballroom background, but have done folk or other social dancing & watch SYTYCD. More often than not, they can’t tell which dance is being performed anymore because of lack of recognizable content. This was not true 5 yrs ago. Sad.
If the voters were more well educated, maybe the judges scores would reflect a reality we could mostly agree on. There are times I can’t figure out how they got a lot of the scores in recent years.
Would love to see this show do well & go on for years like it has in the UK.
#190 Clay,
I wonder if it has anything to do with the DWTS WIKI site that keeps stats for the Pros. Besides # of seasons/wins/back to back wins, they also report the # of perfect scores by a Pro. Derek always had the most. Now it seems the judges will give 1 pt less than perfect frequently, but only Val gets perfect scores by the boatload (or for the asking?) anymore.
Long post here, gotta vent: Let me start by saying that I AM ELATED that Emma and Rashad won. Truly so deserving. And what a ride for David. Lindsay is such a star. However I can’t help but be disappointed with the tour announcement spoiler because it seems to be taking away from the idea that they rightfully won (which, in my opinion, they did). This is the problem with DWTS getting greedy and putting a celeb on a pro tour in the first place, starting with Alfonso. There can be plenty of arguments that in his season any of those top 3 could have rightfully won for various reasons but the winner was the tour headliner. And what did the famous C-fam do? Roll with the “rigged” comments. Fast forward to Rumer winning, and of course guess who goes on tour? Suddenly according to the C-fam the show is NOT rigged but ironically her season’s top dancers all could have won as well (Nastia, Noah, Riker?!) yet she did, the one going on tour. Same with Laurie’s season. Without a doubt, James should have won. But Laurie signed up for tour. So Laurie won. But sure, not rigged, right C-fam? It’s suspect that they only call rigging when they DON’T win, but think it’s a fair win when they do. As soon as Rashad’s tour confirmation was announced the Normani fan crap started, and that’s to the fault of DWTS. And for that I feel sad for Emma because Normani has some loco fans. Sometimes I wonder what TPTB are thinking. I get this is all for money power and ratings but come on. First you snag Heather, who essentially should have been in troupe (also search back in her Instagram and you’ll find that prior to the season she DID do some ballroom training for a movie of some sort – the C-fam loves to lie about past dance experience ), then you snag Chris & Bonner who’s very real neck injuries hold them back greatly but you almost mock them for not dancing as well as someone who danced with Beyoncé? Why even offer them to be on the show? Who cleared them physically if Bonner couldn’t even do lifts? Not that they’re necessary but to me that just screams DANGER? I often wonder the direction this show is going. Sure the “celebs” (can we even call some of them that anymore?) sign up for this, but I don’t think they should have to endure some truly hurtful comments from the judges and the incessant harassment from fans of god knows who on social media, alot of which is egged on by TPTB. They need to come up with a judging system based on each individual’s abilities and learn not to almost “bully” them on TV for not doing well or doing choreo given to them by their pro. Why were the girls uncomfortable watching a trio from Sharna where she’s a secretary but ok with a married Gleb and Jana grinding in a shower? Everything about this show is inconsistent, and it seems often the celeb is the one getting hurt by it.
Many people have discussed bringing Allan up from the troupe next season.
I would LOVE to see Tristan come back to replace Val.
THAT would be a breath o fresh air!
Jacksons. First off you’re against cyber-bullying, and then call us “dumb fuckers”; are you sure you’re not a harmonizer as they excel at being hypocritical too? And since the majority of us are calling Normani out ONLY for not attempting to put a stop to her fans obnoxious nasty behavior online, I’d hardly call that bullying!
Second, you made your statement and said Normani and Val had arguably the best dances ever, and she’s arguably one of the best dancers ever; well obvious people disagree with you and responded with their opinions. If you can’t take the blowback, then I’d suggest you not make the comment.
Lastly, to the mods (Heidi, Courtney, Vogue, John and Lori), I’m so sorry if this is even a small part of the crap you have to deal with each season! You are saints!
@Jacksons. You are going to get deleted no worries there and likely banned from ever posting again. Calling people vulgar names is just ridiculous and immature because most of us don’t agree with you? How old are you 12? Val only won TWICE with massive ringers because TPTB PIMPED him and his partners to high heavens every season.
I didn’t see ANYONE here bashing Normani. We have critiqued her pro because he has dropped the ball so many times in his choreography for his celeb partners, who are ringers in one way or another. Sounds like it was your first season watching DWTS.
AND DEREK won SIX times, without any pimpage from TPTB. With women who had little dance experience(Bindi Irwin and Kellie Pickler) and has never finished less than 6th place.
Oh and he’s also won 2 Emmy’s for DWTS dances he’s choreographed. THAT will NEVER happen for Val.
They didn’t start doing SuperSize Freestyle’s until All Star season 15, right?
Normani was a good dancer, she showed how well she had been trained before she can on the show. But here’s the thing. Her choreography was stale and predictable. This was not her fault. She ever opened up properly in her packages because there was someone talking over her all the time. I’m sorry to say the fault is Val. He came over as the important one for me. I felt he thought he was the star and Normani was there to help promote him. Added to this her fans didn’t vote in enough numbers.
Val was out choreographed by Emma left and right. She stood in the shade and promoted her celebrity perfectly. Both Emma and Lindsays attitude to their stars were perfect. They both helped to create bright, fun refreshing packages that we couldn’t wait to see. All we got from Val was how brilliant Val is and to be honest we were more interested in finding out about Normani.
So Harmonizers I get that you’re angry but direct that at where the blame is, Val – he let your girl down.
Well said Jaime #202. You hit the nail on the head!
@Jamie – #202 You are spot on…. You described this season perfectly. Thank you for that!
And can I add. Emma was the underdog plain and simple, she had something to prove… and man did she deliver. Emma is a top notch choreographer.
@KellyK – Val especially dropped the ball on that craptastic freestyle. Totally forgettable.
Oh, and gotta give a shout-out to Lindsay and what an incredible job that she did again this season. I see a MBT in her future too!
Normani might have won – or got second if she had a better freestyle
Aaaaaand bye-bye, Jacksons. Just another troll masquerading as a concerned citizen that throws out words like “bullying” when confronted with facts that don’t coincide with their flimsy opinions.
A PSA for any Harmonizers still lurking (and I know you are, because you keep trying to troll/spam us and I keep throwing your comments in the trash) – it’s been 48 hours. Time to start moving on. We’ve given some of you that are actually capable of civil discourse the opportunity to voice your unhappiness, but the bulk of you either want to complain about us or spout hyperbole about Normani being the GOAT of DWTS. It’s tired and you look silly. Keep it movin’.
Yeah, Jacksons. Like calling people vulgar names makes you smart. I don’t know what you’ve been reading but Normani is not being bashed here. It’s tptb and her pro that people are complaining about. And speaking about her pro. His two wins? Those were gifts. And we don’t obsess about Val. He isn’t all that. I guess your new here because you were not able to grasp that.
Everyone, please ignore Jacksons. He/she is gone now, please don’t give them any further attention. That’s what they want and they’ll suffer without it.
If anyone wants to see an example of how Val doesn’t care about his celeb and only about himself, and how Emma and Lindsay’s celebs had real partnerships and truly loved each other, watch the end of Monday night when all three couples were standing on the stage after their freestyles.
Lindsay and Emma were truly happy and proud, clapping and hugging with their celebs! Val just stood there with Normani looking at him puzzled. Val did not look happy at all, like he was pouting. That’s the last moment the public sees before voting. Who wants to vote for someone like that?
That guy who played Johnny on Dirty Dancing said back up dancer on DWTS so maybe it was for a singer performing on the show, because he was not a very good dancer on DD. I could not figure out why he was hired. His acting sucked too.
Since someone mentioned Dirty Dancing, I thought to make a comment. (If not appropriate, please feel free to delete.) The woman playing Jennifer Grey’s part wasn’t bad but Johnny wasn’t good (and Patrick Swayze was exceptional). Turned off the TV at about 20 minutes into the show. There was a lot of money put into filming, set design, etc but if the lead isn’t good, the show isn’t good.
Thanks to the mods and looking forward to seeing your new site for World of Dance. (Please repost the name of the site. ) Thanks.
Jamie #202 That pretty well sums up Val.
Here’s the thing Val came into DWTS having a pretty impressive dance resume. However, in the 6+ years he’s been he has done next to nothing to improve his teaching and choreography. He either recycles his own routines or “borrows” someone else’s choreography. Seeing as his family owns a chain of dance studios he could quite easily utilize them as a place to practice teaching and choreography and become more creative. But instead he tours which again is fine but he is just showcasing the same stuff he’s done for 6 years and never takes the time to explore NEW things be it dancing music acting or something completely different.
He’s had how many partners including Normani who can dance jazz contemporary or hip hop and yet he himself can not really teach or choreograph any of them. Why he had never taken other dance classes is beyond me. Yes Val IS a professional and he CAN dance his style but his and Mak’s stubborn refusal to think and more importantly learn outside the box are hurting not only them but their partners.
Had either let go of their inflated egos and TRULY had Heather and Normani’s best interest at heart I can guarantee you BOTH ladies would have gone further.
Truth is the C Bros are so busy reminding people how wonderful they are that their partners tend to fade into the background. They can blame everybody and everything else but at the end of the day the fault lies with them.
My advice to Val would be: you have 2 eyes, 2 ears, and only 1 mouth for a reason, WATCH & LISTEN twice as much as you talk.
I think Val bought into the Harmonizer’s rants that the show was fixed because Rashad signed on for the tour. On Instagram or Twitter, some fans made a big deal of the fact that he liked one of the comments complaining about a “fix.” And, a couple of people in his “fam” were basically implying the same thing. I also think Rashad’s freestyle took the wind out of his sails.
This season was probably a rude awakening to him and his fam, including Maks and Peta who were slated to be the season’s darlings, but quickly faded. All three received special treatment from the show, but the general audience didn’t buy into the hype.
@Rose1 – Oh, Val thinks because Rashad signed onto the tour, his win was rigged? Kinda like Laurie winning last season with YOU, Val?
Well dare I say the finish is kind of a re-boot of many finishes in the past. So it is a tiny bit amusing when Harmonizers feel they have been cheated, since if you look at it, all the pimping, immunity, often goes to those who lack a fanbase.
IMHO When you think of the Season that Derek was not on, Season 12 – You have Hines the footballer who worked hard with Kym, the lovely dancer who always makes sure her celebrity shines, then we had Kirstie Ally, not a great dancer but she had a big fanbase and Maks so the May/December roll in the hay hot showmance… and then we had Chelsea Kane, someone the demographic had no knowledge of at all. In this scenario you have a display of overscoring to get Chelsea to the finals, something like 15 extra points in a dance off to make sure that Ralph Macchio got booted. The producer’s rationale for these gifts was they didn’t want a Brandi scenario where she was booted in favor of Bristol Pallin the previous season.
Now that huge spread is replaced by “Immunity” for the top scorer of the night, with points attached, the number it seems is at the showrunners’ discretion, so it works if your favorite needs fans. Dance offs seem pretty discretionary also, I still think Nancy bested Simone on the Cha Cha but that fan screen was all Simone. Really? You have to wonder about that since it wasn’t phone voting.
Back in Season 11 and 12 of Brandi and Kane, In both cases these lesser known “stars” were there for the Disney promotional bump. It was a huge embarrassment for the showrunners when Brandi and didn’t get it, so they made sure Kane did. Now the immunity “bump” for Normani seems to also promtional for the Disney brand since 5H is connected to abc by virtue of a summer concert and most likely other activities coming down the wire.
But with all this promotions, Others have to go, and the way to do that is create a villian. There is no question, in Season 12 Ralph had more fans than Kane, but less than Hines and Ally so he was sacrificed in a pretty brutal manner. Len called Karina basically a prostitute, and missteps were nitpicked and highlighted, Ralph had nowhere to go but out.
So there are a lot of parallels with that season and this one. Rashad- Hines
David – Kirstie and Normani – Chelsea — However Rashad is a better dancer, and will keep dancing on tour, Hines has let the dancing slide. David and Lindsay went for the more palatable Father/Daughter scenario instead of a May/December showmance, and Chelsea had the performance background in much the same manner as Normani.
No question the overall dancing was better in season 24 than season 12, but the showrunners booting formula of who goes next has not really changed. The show let Simone’s little comment about smiling and gold medals simmer just long enough for a lower score and subsequent votes against her could be cast. And then they did damage control when the public was outraged at her being treated so poorly.
Simone’s newly minted gold medal made it far more difficult for the show to do the dirty they did to past 4th place finishers, that’s why you saw the falling all over themselves display to make sure she was okay and giving her a lot of air time on the finale.
Oh and Mark is usually really strong with Freestyles, but in Season 12 it wasn’t good. Kym went with a smart nod to Hines’ fans.
Unfortunately, Val normally shits the bed with Freestyles, no exception this year.
@Casanova – LOL! I love your analysis of Val’s freestyles. He’s been in the finals enough times to know better.
Alek Skarlatos finished 3rd but her was asked to do the DWTS tour. And I know Simone mentioned weeks ago that they were talking to her manager and trying to work it out. So are we to believe that TPTB dropped Simone when she decided against touring? And the reverse, that she would have won if she’d said yes? Nice try but I don’t think so.
The tour is likely a different “division” from the TV show. It’s easier to figure what the standard for success there is – revenue from ticket and merchandise sales. So they want to have any contestant who HAD A TON OF VOTES. Alek obviously was a fan, not judges, fave. I suspect Simone started out with a huge number of fans but weeks of picking at her and especially when they finally made her snap, eroded that. David obviously had a ton of voting fans but he wants to spend the summer with his family. And now we know, Rashad must have had a large section of the votes, even before peaking at the right time and having an outstanding freestyle. So now, hopefully, Rashad and Emma will rightfully be the stars of this tour.
While the show is going on, you can never really know why they’re doing what they’re doing, why they’re pimping some and tearing down others and so on. It’s usually only after it’s all the over that you can start to maybe figure out why they do what they do. So, now that the show is over I can think of only one reason to pimp Normani…maybe two.
1. They need Val to continue to succeed because, in their eyes, they have no other male pro that can reach Maks/Derek levels of popularity. What they don’t seem to get is that if they have to work so hard for Val, he ain’t got what it takes. Neither Derek nor Maks got this level of help from the producers. Hell, they started their campaign of trying to prevent Derek from winning long before he won his last two MBTs. His last three were likely won IN SPITE of the producers, not because of them. He’s just got it. They also don’t get that if they would cut it out, maybe one of the other men (Sasha, Artem…even Keo) might naturally evolve into the next Derek or Maks. But instead, they do what they have to do to make sure Val makes the finale. And keeping Normani’s fans around to the end doesn’t hurt. But I think the law of diminishing returns is starting to impact this show. They’re turning people off.
2. Perhaps there is something we don’t yet know. Like Normani is in line to star in something for Disney or 5H is in line for something connected to ABC. They needed her to make the finale to up her profile, but she clearly didn’t have the votes to win. She probably didn’t have the votes to make the finale without Simone having such a huge margin to overcome. Remember, Simone – the popular Olympic Gymnast – needed more than 20k votes per million to stay over Normani. Normani was cushioned, David and Rashad were clearly getting the votes and that leaves Simone out in the cold.
Given time, something might become obvious – much like Chelsea Kane was revealed to be involved in a new Disney project after DWTS was done. Was it an album or TV show? Can’t remember any more.
I see that Jackson couldn’t handle this level of discussion. Poor thing. You won’t be seeing him any more. 😉
@Clay IMHO they pimped Normani for a reason, 5H is signed to Epic Sony Label and they have a huge affliation with ABC Entertainment. Grey’s Anatomy for example uses Epic Sony artists for some portions of their show where there is music played for dramatic effect. There is little doubt that 5H music that appeals to the Ariande Grande pre-teen demo and I would be surprised if they haven’t already penned a deal for DWTS Juniors.
Carol, those stats are irrelevant any more – if you give someone a ringer every single season, of course they’re going to have the most perfect scores. What they REALLY need to do is factor in the dance experience of the celebs each pro is handed, in addition to the number of seasons they are on the show.
Is anyone REALLY going to try to tell any one with a brain that Val is the better pro than, say, Sharna or Lindsay, because he has more perfect scores?? He’s handed ringers every season, while Lindsay, Sharna and Emma and others have a true mixed bag of partner types. That goes for Derek, Maks and Mark too.
Nothing bugs me more than some dope who looks at numbers like “most perfect scores” with no regard for ALL the other stats. Not you, Carol – but someone like Val and his fans are just that type of dumb.
@Sandy heh some people have “it” when it comes to choreography and some people are just excellent dancers.
For me when it comes to choreography, it sounds corny, but having some formation appreciation helps. Look at Rashad go with his bad self on the drumline portion of his freestyle, probably the most exciting part because it was full of swag, but he had that cool sensibility of moving his troup into a formation, I think Derek has had formation training, and you see it in his group dances. The precision of moving a group as one is always crowd pleasing. And then beyond that to have an appreciation of physical movement and testing the limits of movement beyond the confines of technical ballroom and latin is where creativity and vision come in.
Val spent the season veering away from the prescribed dances because of Normani’s skill set, and then when it comes to the time where he should let go he falls back into what he knows, Ballroom dancing, and ultimately it just doesn’t wow when you colour inside the lines.
Gleb did an excellent ET facebook live recap and he basically said Nancy would be doing part of the tour. Or he hinted that some other celebs might be joining them, when pressed he said Nancy, then tried to backtrack and also mentioned David. It was similar to how Artem let slip in his IG live with his innocuous comment about Rashad before realising he shouldn’t be saying that. (Thank goodness those boys are dancers not secret agents because it clearly wouldn’t take much to get them to spill!) I hope if Nancy does the tour, she gets a lot of love.
Also interesting in the recap – Gleb said the pros choose the dances for the fusion. They’re given the music, then they decide which two styles they want to use. I didn’t know that.
Correct, KellyK.
Lee, it’s http://www.pureworldofdance.com.
As I’ve said a million times – Val, Maks and their “fam” are big fat hypocrites. How quickly they forget who won last season and subsequently went on tour.
I have a hard time believing that’s totally true, Kikki.
Totally agree with you, PH! If they have to do THIS much work in order to make Val the “next Derek”, then Val just clearly doesn’t have it.
I left a comment on IG in response to a super nasty post from a Harmonizer. They were bringing Normani’s race into the mix and everything, saying she didn’t win pretty much because she was black. Ridiculous. Someone responded to what I said saying, “How come Normani didn’t win? There’s so many of us Harmonizers.” And though I couldn’t obviously explain it as amazingly as you all do, I pretty much just told her the same thing everyone’s been commenting about…it’s because people like to connect with the celebs and they do like to hear people’s stories, and with Normani, we just didn’t know her, and that even though there’s all these Harmonizers, how many of them REALLY voted? She must’ve understood it because I never heard from her again, lol.
Anyway, I do agree on Val’s level of choreography. I didn’t even bother to watch Normani’s freestyle because I’m sure it looked the same, if not similar, to most of the freestyles he has done on this show. Seriously…he’s clearly the only one who thinks that those pieces are “different” from all the other ones. Think outside the box, Val! I will admit there was a time when I liked his choreo. He had some good stuff for Zendaya and Danica. Ever since then, NOPE!
Whatever the reason is for why they pushed and pushed for Normani, I’m glad that it didn’t work and that Rashad actually came out victorious. He and Emma are both so deserving.
There’s a cute youtube video of behind the scenes of the outside stage when the Mirror Ball Trophy winner is announced! Sasha is center stage in his blue sparkle jacket and his reaction is priceless! And Keo is going crazy too!
It’s kind of neat to see some of the crew’s reaction at that same moment as well.
Normani may have been on DWTS until the almost bitter end to ensure ratings from her fanbase that would lead to ABC guaranteeing to advertisers the microtargeting of ads. It’s kind of like how ad prices scale in price for different parts of Superbowl.
If anybody recorded episodes of DWTS this season with ads and all, detect the patterns of who is selling what, and during which Stars’ slots. Certain products were sold primarily during Normani’s slots – kind of upscale services and goods fetching higher ad rates. More downmarket, ABC-owned ads were aired during slots held by Stars that TPTB clearly thought were the Undesirables.
Who got all the online travel ads during their dance?
What time did the Swiffer ads always air?
And who got all the Cars 3 ads during their dances?
The answers will reveal who ABC & TPTB likely valued most.
I am so so so happy that Rashad and Emma won! And David and Lindsay coming in second?! WOW! I was hoping that would happen, but never actually thought it was a legitimate possibility.
I was so nervous watching because it really looked like they were setting up a Normani win, and it just about broke my heart when Emma was crying saying how she doesn’t know if she’ll ever make it to the finals again, but it also made me really angry. Certain pros are coddled and handed things while others have to work hard and really fight for their spots. At least this season, in terms of placement of the final 3, strong choreography and genuineness won over manipulation and smugness.
The fusion comments and scoring left me perplexed though. We all know you can usually tell who’s going to win by the judge’s comments on the fusion dance, when Carri-Ann said Normani was born to win this competition I thought it was over, but then Julianne compared herself and Apollo and their win to Rashad and Emma and told Emma specifically how happy she was for her, so that gave me a little hope, then Len throws them a 9? It makes me think that the judges knew Rashad had won and assumed that Normani was second, so Len gave them a 9 to possibly push Normani forward? Seems like a jerk move, but Len has kind of acted like a jerk all season. No matter, Normani was still third, and Len looked pissed LOL.
I have a question for the mods that I’m very curious to get their opinions on: Do you guys think Val has a chance at an Emmy nom this year? I know his season with Laurie is eligible and I think the deadline for this season was like 2 weeks ago, so he can submit certain dances. I really only ask because SYTYCD usually gets the bulk on the noms, but since it was kids last season the choreography for kids would probably not be up to the same caliber as it would be for their usual contestants, so I think it might be possible for Val to squeak out a nom because there is less competition this year and that makes me nervous. If he does get nom’d TPTB are going to kiss his ass more than ever and he will be even more unbareable. Plus, he probably feel’s like he was robbed this season and I can already see them making next season all about Val’s redemption, which would make me want to barf. What do you guys think?
Also, thank you Mods for another great season! You guys put in a lot of time and effort into this and your hard work is greatly appreciated!
PH – thank you for the site name for the World of Dance you gave the other Lee – I was going to ask that also.
Just saw Derek on Celebrity Ninja Warriors for Red Nose. Even though he missed the third obstacle and wound up getting dunked, he got up and immediately went back and conquered that challenge and the rest of the course – good for him.
All the comments above just make us know how much we miss him and Mark. #199 KellyK, you said it best!
I have been thinking about this for the past few weeks and I think that the show will always have people coming in at different levels of experience so maybe it is time to do something about the scoring so it makes more sense to the audience at home. One of the things that confuses the audience is that, at least in the beginning, the judges are supposedly scoring the celebs based on their expectations for them and not against one another. This is why Bonner & Rashad could get the same score while one is clearly the superior dancer.
So what if they categorize each dancer and assign them a factor. Category 1- celebs with dance experience get a factor of 1; Category 2 – celebs with no dance experience get 1.1; Category 3 – celebs who have mobility issues whether due to age or injury get a factor of 1.2. This factor is only good for the first half of the season while everyone is trying to find their footing (no pun intended). The judges score each other against one another so when Nick gets a 7 he’s really getting a 7.7 which gets him closer to Simone’s 8. If Bonner manages a 7 he really gets 8.4 which puts him over Simone. Of course it is possible that someone can get an 11 or 12 but it is highly unlikely if this is used for the first 4-5 weeks. And if someone does get that high of a score maybe they really deserve it.
Also, during this time there should not be any specialized dances like jazz or contemporary. They should go back to what they did in the beginning and have half the celebs do one style of dance while the other do another style. That way everyone is judged based on the same styles and level of content. Maybe then certain pros can be called out easier on their lack of content and ability to stick to the assigned dance.
To me, it’s not much fun to see someone who’s basically a professional dancer(Heather Morris & Normani Kordei) dance Ballroom..especially since they added Contemporary and Jazz to the mix. That started in S16, am I right Heidi & Courtney? TPTB did both Heather and Normani a HUGE disservice by pairing them with the C-bros. I think Heather might’ve been better off with Artem tbh.
II agree that they need to go back to basics. I’d love to see a Lambada or a Mambo or a Lindy Hop. I also think ALL the celebs should dance the same EXACT dances over the course of the season, just not necessarily the same week. We never did get to see a Jazz from Rashad….but of COURSE Ms 5H got both.
Becs-
Even with no adult version of SYTYCD, I highly doubt any of Val’s choreo would make a top 5 list for the past year….. Some of the kid SYTYCD choreo was still way better anyway.
Archinerd, I see what you mean but they will never do that and I think it would actually be much more confusing to the public. As an example, figure skating changed their scoring system drastically to reflect rewarding difficulty and to try to make it more fair and less prone to agenda scoring and it resulted in the general public being confused and the popularity of skating has drastically declined- in the US at least.
DWTS has been successful in the ratings for 24 seasons with the current system (yes ratings decline but that is normal these days and for a show that has been on so long) and the producers are highly aware that people gripe and complain every season when their favorites don’t win or when someone of lesser dance ability wins. This isn’t a new thing and the only time they gave in to public complaint was season 1 when they didn’t know what they were doing yet and forced that AWFUL rematch between John O Hurley and Kelly Monaco. The complaining dies down each season. They have never made it a secret that the winner is determined by 50% votes and 50% scores. I think for a reality dance show, that is the correct way to do it. It is producer manipulation that influences viewer votes and the judges scores and comments that I wish would change.
Heather should’ve been partnered with Alan since the beginning. I hate Maks’ choreography, and he always lets his partners down. I hope he doesn’t come back next season and that Alan gets his first season as a pro! 🙂
I bet you they asked all 3 finalists to go on the tour andonyl rasahd said yes since he isn’t signed. simone is busy and was working out and normani is prob busy with 5H stuff.
honestly I know meryl was a ringer or whatever but shes one of my favourite winners. mak’s choreo and his partnership w meryl was at its peak that season not to mention meryl was really likeable.
maybe val is so disheartened that he lost/ti was “rigged” he won’t come back? I mean a season off without the C bros and add in sasha/alan would be good in my books. heck bring back hough.
I’m so happy the show is being called out by many for their blatant favoritism.
I am so glad, NOT only me anymore.. but a lot of people are seeing through that the ONLY REASON that jobless Rashad won is because he agreed to tour. I saw so many famous celebrities on twitter calling out DWTS for rigging it.. as clearly Normani was the best dancer yet she lost.
Rashad’s win is so poorly received with mostly negative feedbacks.. DWTS kept trending all night after the finale..with caption that ”people are not happy with this season’s winner”.
Votes don’t matter as producers choose the winner.. happens in every reality shows.
DWTS is a rigged,sexist & racist show.. & are against black women & favor those who do their tour (ie Rumer, Laurie, Shad).
“Nice” Miriam, go eat a Snickers.
Nobody respond to her. She wants validation and attention and we ain’t givin’ it to her.
#EPMusic _ I know that they would never do what I suggested and maybe it would confuse some of the audience but it’s not like they haven’t changed things around to suit themselves when they wanted like adding random dance offs and immunities. I still think the first half of the season should be pure ballroom/Latin like it was in the beginning. I think this would help the GA to spot blatant favoritism and manipulation by producers as well.
As for skating I completely agree with your statement about the decline in popularity here being, at least in part, due to the crazy scoring. Amongst my issues with the scoring is that they appear to be favoring trying difficult jumps to get more points over safer jumps. But as a viewer I would rather see someone do a lesser jump and land on their feet than skid around the rink for on their backsides when they fall. I think they did it to convince people that it is a risky sport but they really shouldn’t have bothered because true fans know it is a sport and those who disagree wouldn’t have been convinced otherwise. This is coming from a huge figure skating fan who has all Olympics on VHS/DVD since 1988 as well as practically every skating competition shown on TV since 1988 through the early 2000’s (Including pros). I’m actually copying the hundreds of tapes I have to digital right now. Oh and this is true for Summer Olympics and gymnastics competitions as well although my interest in non-Olympic gymnastics waned by early 2000’s. I was in the audience when the Magnificent Seven won the first women’s team title in 1996.
Val and an Emmy nomination?? Hell no. He’ll have to get past Derek/Juliane, all of SYTYCD and god knows what else that was on TV. There ain’t no room for a Val emmy nom this year…possibly not ever. I suspect he’ll have Lindsay, Sharna and Emma to contend with, in addition to World of Dance, after this year.
Val ain’t at Emmy level.
I think you are off by one, KellyK – Season 16 is when Derek won with Kellie. After that, the producers suddenly decide it needs to be a regular thing. Or did they add them for Zendaya??
Well and to add to what Heidi said – if there’s a year that’s particularly bereft of sufficiently strong nominees, the Academy doesn’t have to have any set number of nominations…I think there’s been years where there have been as few as two nominees in the Outstanding Choreography category. If the submissions in a particular year aren’t all up-to-snuff, weaker stuff doesn’t get nominated – they just take on fewer nominees.
And I think if any nominations actually come from DWTS, it’ll be Derek & Julianne’s MOVE Beyond number, or possibly some of Sharna’s dances for James – those are about the only really strong candidates that I can think of for this year.
#247- Courtney, wouldn’t Kairos qualify in addition to the Derek and Julianne piece about the divorce?
I’m thinking they added them for Zendaya Heidi. I specifically remember Derek and Kellie’s week 2 Jazz to Lights out by Ellie Goulding when Kellie wore that glass bustier and Derek had his arms cut by the shards on the bustier. Zendaya also got to do Hip-hop one week that season…BEFORE her freestyle! 😉
Kairos and Derek/Jules both qualify – with one from each season from Derek and Co, Val has no shot. He has no shot even without Derek involved.
And “hip hop” has never made an appearance since, has it? Yeah, Zendaya wasn’t pimped.
Heidi – Bethany Mota did hip-hop in switch up week with Mark in Season 19 (Val did “Broadway” with Lea Thompson that week), but I think it’s that’s it.
(And now remembering that has led me down the YouTube rabbit hole of dances from that season….there are worse ways to spend a night :))
I’ve been thinking on the Emmy Nominations a lot. I don’t see anyone else be nominated but Derek and Julianne’s Move number, Derek’s Kairos number, and some of Sharna’s dances with James. I really like a few of Emma and Rashad’s dances too.
I’ve never heard anyone in the dance community or music business really praise Val’s choreo. I’ve never seen them ask to work with him over Derek or other SYTYCD or DWTS alum. Even Ed Sheeran got Brittany Cherry and Paul K to work with him for his music video years back, didn’t ask Val. All of this leads to very little chance of an Emmy nod for Val.
Archinerd- I’ve been a huge skating fan since 1992. VHS tapes of so many competitions, ameteur and pro since then. I gave up on VHS a long time ago and find digital clips online to save now. My love for good musicality, movement, and choreography started there and is a big reason why I follow dance now on tv (DWTS and SYTYCD). If they could get Michelle Kwan on DWTS I might die of happiness lol. I have many ideas for skaters I would love to see on DWTS besides her. Of currently competing skaters- also think Ashley Wagner or Jason Brown would be superb with their performance abilities. Or Josh Farris but he’s not well-known enough I bet. Doubt they would ever ask a non-American skater on the show for some reason too.
@EPmusic How bout Johnny Weir & Tara Lipinski for S25???
#EPMusic & #Kelly K Michelle Kwan would be great and I think Johnny Weir & Tara Lipinski would be interesting too. If Scott Hamilton were healthy enough to dance I think he would get a lot of support. I’d love to see Ekaterina Gordeeva.
Digital clips have been great but the nice thing about having the whole show is that it has all the interviews and commentary that may not show up in all of the clips. Granted I haven’t transferred everything, just the things I wanted to keep. I had the great opportunity to attend 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City (I’m an Olympic junkie)and watch the Ladies Final Free skate. Unfortunately it didn’t end the way I would have liked (with Kwan winning) but the Hughes was the best skater that night. I think my biggest skating thrill was meeting the cast of Stars on Ice twice (I got to attend an after party held by Discover in Chicago because of a friend who worked for Discover in the early 90’s. I got to meet Gordeeva & Grinkov, Hamilton, Sumners, Yamaguchi, Wylie, Orser and many others.
KellyK I could see Johnny Weir and/or Tara Lipinski doing the show actually. They aren’t my favorite skaters but they could be fun.
Archinerd- Cool that you have gotten to see so many live shows and even the Olympics! I wish Kwan would have won in 2002 as well. And 98 for that matter.