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Private Members Area – DWTS Season 17 Week 4 Discussion

The next episode of Dancing with the Stars Season 17 is in the books. What did you think of Julianne Hough as a judge?
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October 7, 2013 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.

Dancing with the Stars Season 17 Julianne Hough Night

We’re back with the list of music for week 4 of Dancing with the Stars Season 17. If you missed the past music, you can always check out our full list of Dancing with the Stars music throughout the season. That page will update each week as we post the music.

Now without further rambling, here’s the music from tonight’s episode of DWTS:
Jack & Cheryl danced a Quickstep to the song “Man Like That” —Gin Wigmore
Elizabeth & Val danced a Argentine Tango to the song “Symphony 6: Fair Thee Well & the Requiem Mix” —Emily Wells
Brant & Peta danced a Salsa to the song “Shake Señora” —Pitbull
Valerie & Tristan danced a Viennese Waltz to the song “Carry On” —Fun.
Leah & Tony danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Papi” —Jennifer Lopez
Corbin & Karina danced a Paso Doble to the song “Zorongo” 一Paco Peña
Nicole & Sasha danced a Jive to the song “Mickey” 一Toni Basil
Christina & Mark danced a Foxtrot to the song “Sexy Silk” —Jessie J
Amber & Derek danced a Tango to the song “Love Lockdown” —Kanye West
Bill E. & Emma danced a Samba to the song “Cuban Pete” —José Norman

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Better known as Charlie.

Private Members Area – DWTS Season 17 Hollywood Night Discussion

The next episode of Dancing with the Stars Season 17 was Hollywood Night. What did you think of the theme?
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September 30, 2013 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.

DWTS Season 17 Music Hollywood Night

We’re back with the list of music for week 3 of Dancing with the Stars Season 17. If you missed the past music, you can always check out our full list of Dancing with the Stars music throughout the season. That page will update each week as we post the music.

Now without further rambling, here’s the music from tonight’s episode of DWTS:
Leah & Tony danced a Rumba to the song “Skyfall” —Adele from the movie Skyfall
Corbin & Karina danced a Quickstep to the song “Diga Diga Doo” —Duke Ellington to the theme Old Hollywood
Elizabeth & Val danced a Foxtrot to the song “Come Fly with Me” —Frank Sinatra from the movie Come Fly with Me
Brant & Peta danced a Quickstep to the song “Crazy in Love” —Emeli Sandé and The Bryan Ferry Orchestra from the movie The Great Gatsby
Valerie & Tristan danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Grace Kelly” —Mika to the theme of Grace Kelly and Freddie Mercury
Bill E. & Emma danced a Paso Doble to the song “William Tell Overture” —Gioachino Rossini from the movie The Lone Ranger
Amber & Derek danced a Charleston to the song “Bang Bang” —will.i.am from the movie The Great Gatsby
Jack & Cheryl danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Hollywood Swinging” —Kool & the Gang from the movie Be Cool
Christina & Mark danced a Charleston to the song “Let Me Drown” —The Wild Party in the style Vaudeville
Nicole & Sasha danced a Quickstep to the song “Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend” —Marilyn Monroe from the movie Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
Bill N. & Tyne danced a Jazz to the song “Get Lucky” —Daft Punk feat. Pharrell Williams from the movie Tron: Legacy

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Better known as Charlie.

Private Members Area – DWTS Season 17 Latin Night Discussion

The next episode of Dancing with the Stars Season 17 was Latin Night. I’ve heard people complaining it wasn’t Latin enough. What did you think?
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September 23, 2013 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.

DWTS Season 17 Music Week 2 Latin Night

We’re back with the list of music for week 2 of DWTS 17. If you missed the past music, you can always check out our full list of Dancing with the Stars music throughout the season. That page will update each week as we post the music.

Now without further rambling, here’s the music from tonight’s episode of DWTS:
Elizabeth & Val danced a Samba to the song “Straight to Memphis” —Club des Belugas
Christina & Mark danced a Paso Doble to the song “Applause” —Lady Gaga
Bill E. & Emma danced a Jive to the song “Crocodile Rock” —Elton John
Jack & Cheryl danced a Rumba to the song “Mad World” —Tears for Fears
Keyshawn & Sharna danced a Samba to the song “Get Up Offa That Thing” —James Brown
Nicole & Sasha danced a Rumba to the song “Just Give Me a Reason” —P!nk Ft. Nate Ruess
Leah & Tony danced a Samba to the song “Maria” —Ricky Martin
Bill N. & Tyne danced a Paso Doble to the song Beethoven’s 5th Symphony
Corbin & Karina danced a Jive to the song “Kiss You” —One Direction
Valerie & Tristan danced a Paso Doble to the song “Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood” —Santa Esmeralda
Brant & Peta danced a Rumba to the song “Underneath Your Clothes” -Shakira
Amber & Derek danced a Jive to the song “Reet Petite” — Jackie Wilson

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Better known as Charlie.

The DWTS Overscore Express

I’d been wanting to write a post about the early season DWTS scores for a few seasons now. Thanks to a tweet from @reaganvincennes, I was prompted to finally do it. She said, “Seriously, though the judges were on the overscore express.” I felt the same way and so I wanted to dig into the numbers to see if the judges were doing something different the past couple seasons than they’d done previously.

I started by first looking at the range of scores from the first week of each season of Dancing with the Stars:
Season 16 – 12-24
Season 15 – 17-24.5
Season 14 – 20-26
Season 13 – 14-22
Season 12 – 13-24
Season 11 – 15-24
Season 10 – 14-25
Season 9 – 18-27 (Week 1 had a relay so I used week 2)
Season 8 – 13-24
Season 7 – 12-23
Season 6 – 15-27
Season 5 – 16-26
Season 4 – 13-24
Season 3 – 12-26
Season 2 – 12-24
Season 1 – 13-20

The list actually shows that DWTS has been pretty consistent about skewing the scores high in almost every season. In fact, season 14 was skewed abnormally high for all of the dancers. This was a bit of a surprise to me. However, from the above list you can also see that the early season scores have never gone below 12 and never gone above 27.

This illustrates my issue with the early scoring really well (I call it overscoring). The show basically gives the good dancers no room to improve their scoring. The only exception was season 1 where there was at least a little wiggle room for some scoring improvement as your dance skills improved over the season.

There are a lot of ways to look at the scoring. One is to consider a score of 0 as someone who can’t dance and a score of 10 as a ballroom professional. However, if that was the case, then almost no one on the show should get above a 6 or below a 4. Instead, if you broaden the definition of what a score of 10 or 0 means, then it’s easier to score the dancers. For example, a score of 0 would be the worst dancer that’s ever been on DWTS (We all know this is Master P). A score of 10 would represent the best dancer that’s ever been on DWTS (I’ll let you choose who you think is the best and it definitely wasn’t their first dance of the season). This shift in perspective would help the scoring make a lot more sense.

It would mean that someone in a season could strive to become a 10 throughout the arc of the season as opposed to being nearly perfect at the start. As it is now, where do Amber & Derek have to go with their score of 27? Certainly they could score lower and then come back up, but do we really think that their dance deserved 9’s if you compared them to the best that have graced the DWTS floor?

Take a look at the scoring from the premiere episode of DWTS Season 17:
Amber & Derek – 27
Elizabeth & Val – 24
Corbin & Karina – 24
Jack & Cheryl – 23
Nicole & Sasha – 23
Brant & Peta – 22
Christina & Mark – 22
Valerie & Tristan – 21
Leah & Tony – 21
Bill E. & Emma – 18
Keyshawn & Sharna – 17
Bill N. & Tyne – 14

There’s a simple way to adjust these scores to better reflect the scoring framework I mentioned above. Let’s imagine that the worst dancer on the premiere (Bill Nye) was scored just above Master P and received a score of 3 instead of his 14. Now we’ll assume the judges scores did rank each couple properly based on their performance, but were just skewed too high. Using Bill Nye as the benchmark we subtract 11 from each score and get the following results:
Amber & Derek – 16
Elizabeth & Val – 13
Corbin & Karina – 13
Jack & Cheryl – 12
Nicole & Sasha – 12
Brant & Peta – 11
Christina & Mark – 11
Valerie & Tristan – 10
Leah & Tony – 10
Bill E. & Emma – 7
Keyshawn & Sharna – 6
Bill N. & Tyne – 3

This provides a much better range of scoring: 3-16. Now every person on the show has room to have their score grow as they grow on the season. Why the producers don’t see the value of this small change is beyond me. Imagine the storyline if Keyshawn could go from a 6 the first week to 27 weeks later. That kind of story line isn’t even possible with the overscoring that happens on the DWTS premieres.

We all know that late in the season the scoring gets weird. You have two dancers who have the same score and they definitely aren’t as skilled as each other. The reason for this is that the early high scoring leaves the judges no place to go with the good dancers. If they’d start the scores lower, then they could give Bill Nye better scores without the scoring saying that he’s as good a dancer as Elizabeth.

I think the reason they don’t do this is because stars have egos and images and the producers don’t want to damage those. Getting 1’s or 0’s on your first dance would hurt. Although, is it any worse than getting a 4 when everyone else is getting 7’s, 8’s and 9’s? Getting 1’s when the top person is getting 5’s isn’t much worse. Although, it could still tell the story of Bill Nye dancing better than Elizabeth if indeed that’s what happens (unlikely, but remember how Ty Murray grew over his season?).

Of course, I’m sure Heidi can dig into how the above shift in scoring would impact the value of audience voting. If my math is right, I think it would give those scoring higher more of an advantage over those scoring lower. The shift in scores would make it harder for someone scoring lower to “upset” someone who scored higher. Maybe this is the other reason producers like the high scoring. Although, at the end of the season the current scoring makes the judges scores basically irrelevant since there’s no room for dancers to differentiate themselves based on the judges scores.

What do you think? Is this a good idea? I’m not saying the judges scoring is wrong (that’s the topic of another discussion). What I am saying is that they’re using the wrong scale for the scoring. A little shift in the scale would make the judges more relevant and interesting as the season goes on.

September 18, 2013 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.

Dancing with the Stars Season 17 Music from the Premiere

Another season of DWTS is upon us and we’re back with the list of music from the premiere of Dancing with the Stars Season 17. As always, we’ll be creating the full list of Dancing with the Stars music throughout the season. So, bookmark that page if you want to see the latest and greatest music from Dancing with the Stars.

Now without further ado, here’s the list of music from the DWTS 17 premiere:
The show opened to the song: “A Little Party Never Killed Nobody” by Fergie(from The Great Gatsby soundtrack)

Brant & Peta danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Blurred Lines” —Robin Thicke feat. T.I. & Pharrell Williams
Leah & Tony danced a Foxtrot to the song “Tears Dry On Their Own” —Amy Winehouse
Corbin & Karina danced a Contemporary to the song “If I Lose Myself” —OneRepublic
Jack & Cheryl danced a Foxtrot to the song “Pack Up” —Eliza Doolittle
Amber & Derek danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Wings” —Little Mix
Elizabeth & Val danced a Contemporary to the song “Imagine” —John Lennon
Bill N. & Tyne danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Weird Science” —Oingo Boingo
Keyshawn & Sharna danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Treasure” —Bruno Mars
Christina & Mark danced a Contemporary to the song “Clarity” —Zedd feat. Foxes
Bill E. & Emma danced a Foxtrot to the song “Hot Stuff” —Donna Summer
Valerie & Tristan danced a Foxtrot to the song “Some Kind of Wonderful” —The Drifters
Nicole & Sasha danced a Cha-cha-cha to the song “Wild Ones” —Flo Rida feat. Sia

September 16, 2013 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.

Private Members Area – DWTS Season 17 Premiere Discussion

The premiere episode of Dancing with the Stars Season 17 is behind us and now we’ve had a chance to see all the dancers perform.
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Where’s the Dancing with the Stars Results Show?

The following is a guest post by Lois A Troutman.

Folks, I am eagerly awaiting DANCING WITH THE STARS! My stomach is tied in knots waiting for Monday night! Can ya please get here already! Typical of me before the season starts. Waiting for the show is like waiting in a doctor’s waiting room. Sometimes we wait and wait and wait………….. Oh pshaw, you get my drift!

I am having butterflies fluttering around in my stomach waiting. And, I say where is my results show? I was none too happy when ABC announced they had eliminated the Tuesday night show. I got much pleasure from having two nights out of the week to watch dancing. I want to see more dancing, not less.

How can they possibly fit everything in two hours? Something has to be sacrificed. There has to be less attention paid to the sparkling, spectacular pro dances. I suppose one good thing might be the elimination of the musical guests. But I was very happy to see those performers that I favored perform on results shows. Yes, the show had a lot of “filler” but at least I had another night of the show I love so much.

I hope ABC at least has a two night finale this season. And goes back to two nights in Season 18. I suppose though that the suspense of elimination won’t take as long because there won’t be enough time in the two hours to play the “elimination game.”

I will just have to get used to one night, grin and bear it. Light bulb just goes off in my head! I can watch Monday night’s show on Tuesday night! There ya go, by jove I have found a solution! I can still have my two nights of dancing! Glory be!

So, folks out in DANCING WITH THE STARS land, are you:

A. Going to bleed mirror balls if you don’t have a results show?
B. Reserve judgment until the season is in full swing, seeing how only two hours shakes out?
C. You are breathing a sigh of relief that you don’t have to sit through a results show?
D. You are taking the middle out of the dance floor because you don’t care one way or the other.

September 15, 2013 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.