Aren’t these takes fantastic? After the Grand finale, the cast attended a Dancing With The Stars Season 17 wrap party at Sofitel in Los Angeles, California. Pictured above is Brant Daughtery, Peta Murgatroyd, Sharna Burgess, Paul Kirkland, Emma Slater, Sasha Farber, and Dancing With The Stars executive producer Conrad Green. Their expressions say it all about Dancing With The Stars Season 17, don’t they?!! You can view more fun photos of them and others who attended at Zimbio Pictures.
And it sounds very much like he’s been reading PureDWTS again. Check it, from EW.com (click the link to read the whole thing):
How clued-in are the judges to the popular vote?
The judges have never known those figures. They’ve never seen a single vote. There’s two voting documents — one comes from the phone company and one comes from ABC.com, which includes the Facebook votes. We get those numbers and put them into a grid and determine the results from the control room, on the spot. It’s only me and [a representative of ABC's] Broadcast & Standards who see them. No one, even the upper execs on the show, ever see that document. And so while the judges might have the same opinion that anyone else has as to how popular certain couples are — they don’t know.
In practice, it’s kind of difficult for the judges because no matter what they do, they seem to get lambasted. Look, don’t get me wrong, all of us as viewers have our own opinion about scores that are given. Sometimes you go, “Really?” But then again, I’m not a dancer. They are from dance and they know this. And I kind of think you’re never gonna be able to give a score that everyone can agree on. You can tell that just by reading the comments below the line. People are furious that it was either too high or too low.
And the judging on this show is very difficult — we’re the only show where they have to hold up a number and be accountable for it. You could be fake, or damning, or warm — but you don’t have to be consistent. Our judges can say what they want. But then they have to hold up a paddle. So sometimes they’ll be trying to say something encouraging — they feel someone’s having a tough time, so they’ll say something quite nice… but then they’ll hold up a 7. And people say “Well why would you do that?” Well, because they don’t want to beat the guy up! The next week, they might give him an 8 but be more critical. It’s really tricky, because you also want to be able to encourage, give notes, plan improvement. And then there’s the question: Do you judge people relative to each other? Do you judge on just, that feels like an 8 to me? Or do you judge it relative to the contestant’s improvement?
I suppose it may always seem to angry viewers like the judges are “in on it” and orchestrating results.
The problem is, you can’t ever convince people that’s not the case because people just choose to believe that. It’s not the case. The whole point of this show — and it obviously is easier when the public votes after the judges instead of the public vote carrying over — but the point of the show is that the public along with the judges are picking the winner. So it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy for us. You want the voters to be involved in that process. This is why, when people say, “Well, the judges’ scores should carry more weight; it’s crazy if someone like Elizabeth goes” — well yeah, I get it. I’d have liked to see Elizabeth in the final, I must admit, because she’s great as a dancer. But then if the public really want other people there, I’m kind of fine with that.
Okay, Conrad – but you never give them hints?? I suppose those three might be smart enough to figure out who’s doing well and who to protect all on their own. But I can’t believe there is NO manipulation going on.
Love the bit of insight on how the Eastern and Central time zone make up most of the voting. Very interesting…
Well, I was rather underwhelmed by the first half of the show. Didn’t care for Val and Elizabeth and I’m not sure why. Didn’t like Brant – too weak. Loved Snookie, Loved Amber, Loved Bill. I would say those are my top three and two of them were either sick or hurt. Has anyone noticed that Derek’s partners seem to do even better when under more pressure?
Anyway, they called Bill safe immediately after his dance which tells me he’s gotten over the hump and is getting the votes now. But it only gets harder and he can’t afford low scores from here on out. Then, the last three standing were:
Snookie and Sasha
Brant and Peta
Valerie and Tristan
Snookie was called safe first, then Valerie and Tristan were eliminated. Sad, but she had a good run.
So, thoughts? How did Julianne do? Do you suppose Mark is still feeling the BURRRNNNNN? Poor guy. I felt bad for him but I couldn’t argue with anything she was saying.
This week, I saw lots of questions about Bill Nye’s departure from the show. Some said there was no way that others got more votes than him. To which I responded, “they didn’t have to, Bill could get more votes and still be eliminated if he didn’t cover the spread.” This is the thing that continually gets lost no matter how many times I write these numbers posts. Bill Nye was WAY below the next highest scorer, so HE had to make up lots of votes in order to stick around.
I saw some comments saying it was “fishy”. Was it fishy? Well, it certainly could be, depending on your perspective. I mean, really, Brant got a 27? I don’t think so, in a real world. There is no way he did a better job dancing than so many couples. But he most likely was in danger of leaving and was, thus, overscored to protect him from Bill Nye. You overscore Brant and make sure others who might not be getting the votes have enough of a lead on Bill Nye and it’s perfectly plausible that Bill goes home. How did the night stack up once all was said and done?? See below.
Looking at that table, it seems to me that Brant was grossly overscored and Christina was overscored a bit, relative to Amber. Is it a coincidence that two people likely at risk due to Bill Nye but who are good dancers are overscored? I don’t think so. I think Liz is also in potential danger, but she danced very well, so I wouldn’t say she was overscored. Bill’s low score gives her breathing room. The people in danger, IMO, are scored high enough to put them out of reach, those who are getting votes are getting more realistic scores. Just my speculation. So, what did Bill Nye have to do to actually stay on the show and how did others have to do in terms of votes to be safe? See below. Read more..
Now it gets interesting. Remember, if someone dances like crap tonight, they are still banking on last week’s votes. It’s only tonight’s judges scores they have to worry about. I think there are a few people that will likely be safe tonight regardless, including Valerie, Leah, Corbin, Jack, Amber and maybe Snooki. I could certainly be wrong, but I think it’s going to come down to Bill E and possibly Bill Nye eliminating himself due to his knee. All the monkeying around about Bill Nye makes me think he’s out.
Great start with Leah and Tony. That was a very good dance. Only issue I noticed was the tendency to fall out of her turns, similar to Zendaya.
And Corbin in the second position? Hmmmmm…..
Shut up, Corbin, you’re a massive ringer.
ETA: Okay, the following were in jeopardy:
Christina and Mark
Bill and Tyne
Brant and Peta
Brant was called safe first.
Bill and Tyne were eliminated.
Big question – a real elimination or not?? Also, serious wake up call to Christina this week and Elizabeth this past week – trust me, both of them will not make it to the final four.
And what did you all think about the rapid fire elimination this week? Adjustment to the short shrift they gave Keyshawn last week??
TV Guide interviewed Dancing With The Stars host Tom Bergeron. Tom talks of the new format and what last week’s first elimination was like crunched into one show. He also gives his thoughts on some of the performances as well as the personality differences between Kelly and Jack Osbourne. Heads up…another guest judge is coming up too (besides Julianne Hough). Tom can’t say who it is yet, but, he’s excited. MORE below and at TV Guide.
Last week was the first of cramming the performances and eliminations into one show. How did it go?
Bergeron: I think that’s the one area where it was evident that we haven’t done this before. The timing was a little crunched up. We don’t have quite the time to spend with the couple that we’ve just said goodbye to, because then we go into a whole recap of all the survivors. I think we’ll probably chat about how to make that a little smoother, but for the first time out of the gate, it wasn’t that bad. We got off on time. We got off so Castle could get the proposal done. (Laughs).
Yeah, it got a little rushed at the end as Keyshawn was saying farewell.
Bergeron: That’s part of the fun of live TV, that you can see some little wires hanging from behind the curtain. You can see some of the mechanics of it. From the standpoint of us in the show, there’s no need to be bashful about, “This is how it works, boys and girls.” As we move through the season and we have a bit more time because there are fewer couples, that kind of thing that happened last [week] will be less of an issue. We’ll be able to, later in the season, bring in some musical acts and things of that nature that you typically would have seen on a Tuesday show.
What about the new layout of the ballroom and structure of the judges’ feedback? Is that working well?
Bergeron: It’s a little strange. The feng shui of it all, being on the other side of the ballroom and having Carrie Ann closer to me than Bruno. … But I kind of like having everything happen right away, so [the dancers] get their comments, they get their scores, we can chitchat briefly. But yeah, it’s a little weird being on that side of the ballroom.
We learned last week that Julianne Hough will be a guest judge later in the season. Has anyone else been finalized?
Bergeron: There’ll be at least one other guest judge, and I can’t give you a name [because] I don’t know that the contracts have been signed. But if it’s the person they told me is likely to do it, I’m very excited about that.
PureDWTS reader and guest blogger Lois is back with another one of her fun Dancing With The Stars poems. This time for Week 2 of Season 17! Enjoy and thanks Lois!
A LATIN LALAPALOOZA!
A LALAPALOOZA of Latin distinction in the ballroom Monday night
A sex-em-up, shimmy-em-up, shake-em-up show of sheer delight
The floor, the rafters, the crowd shaking along with each dancing step
Opening number resounded with spirit, with pizzazz, with lots of pep
Corbin and Karina, Amber and Derek, Bill and Emma rocked the Jive
Their sizzling, snapping, show stopping steps kept the crowd alive
Christina and Mark, Valerie and Tristan, Tyne and Bill did Paso Doble
Their intensity, their concentration of dance done their very own way
Leah and Tony, Elizabeth and Val. Keyshawn, Sharna Sambaed fine
Cheers from the crowd, applause from their peers, made them shine
Nicole and Sasha, Jack and Cheryl, Brant, Peta Rumbaed with steam
They exuded smoke and fire, their dancing moves nearly like a dream
At the end of this night, the climax was a heartbreaking elimination
Keyshawn and Sharna took their bows, they were a brief sensaation
There were surprises, quirky moves, A LATIN LALAPALOOZA galore
Our dancing appetitites looked over the menu for oh so much more
Next Monday night a new menu will be offered, we again will dine
We will feast on DANCING WITH THE STARS, a delicacy, mighty fine!
Written By Lois A Troutman, September 27, 2013
A LATIN LALAPALOOZA SHOOK US UP ON MONDAY NIGHT!
WE FEASTED ON A MENU OF DELICACIES OF PURE DELIGHT!
So, I think we all know what happened this week, but let me spell it out anyway. The scores from weeks 1 and 2 were combined, then divided by the total points awarded to give each contestant a percentage. That percentage was 50% of the total. The votes after week 1 for each contestant were divided by the total votes and for their percentage, which was the other 50%. When you combined the two, the contestant with the lowest combined total goes home. Keyshawn was ranked lowest and was therefore eliminated. How did the scores and percentages look when the two weeks were added together, you ask? See below.
In a nutshell, Bill Nye got at least 7.7k more votes per million votes cast than Keyshawn, and Keyshawn could NOT get the 7.7k more votes per million votes cast that he needed to beat Bill E. But there’s something else interesting to note before we move on. Maybe it’s important and maybe it’s not. But look back at Table 1, above: note how my predictions on scores roll out. I did pretty well, getting it either exactly right or only off by 1 point on 7 of 12 couples. The next three couples I was off by 2 points. And only on two people, Leah and Snookie, was I off by three points or more. Is it a coincidence that the two people who I was way off on are the ones likely to be getting lesser votes (Leah) and more votes (Snookie)?? Leah was way overscored, IMO, and Snookie underscored. Do you think the votes they are getting, or not getting, have anything to do with this? Well, look at it this way. See Table 2, below. Read more..
Just a fun miscellaneous picture post. If you’d like to see some of the cast “behind the scenes” before last Monday’s show, see the Daily Mail. You can also see pics of Ozzy, Sharon, and Kelly Osbourne as well as Julianne Hough.
The Daily Mail also has a beautiful photo spread up of Brant Daugherty and Peta Murgatroyd taking a break in a park before dancing. You can also see them walking a little doggie. So cute!
Also, Henry Byalikov and Anna Trebunskaya join the AfterBuzz team to review Monday night’s dances. You can listen in below.
Heidi here, Vogue is having some internet issues. I’m starting this post, but odds are good that Vogue the Queen of all Media will do most of the updating. I can’t find much (any) video at all right now – it’s like everyone took the night off after the Emmy…and they probably did. First up, E! Goes behind the scenes with Leah Remini:
When we caught up with the contestants backstage after tonight’s performances, Remini exclusively told us that how happy she is to be a part of Dancing With the Star‘s 17th season. “The show has been a Godsend, and Tony has been a Godsend,” she smiled. “The cast and everybody has rallied around me. I have so many supporters I didn’t know I had and really the show has given me so much.”
Remini, who recently recently spoke with Ellen DeGeneres about her defection from the religion, admitted that her fellow contestants are helping to fill a void in her life. “I don’t feel like I lost friends, I actually lost friends.” Remini explained. “It sucks but at the same time it is what it is and we have to move on, but I feel like I have a lot of really good friends, a lot of new friends.”
For me, it was still coming relatively close off of ‘High School Musical.’ … That’s the thing about the show, it’s a wonderful opportunity to promote and a wonderful opportunity to show people who you are. … I really wanted to be able to grow and just transform myself as an artist and as a person first. I wanted to be able to go off and do things like I did with Broadway and doing all these movies where I’m playing all these sort of crazy characters and being able to do the soap [‘One Life To Live’] — all these projects. I’m working as a producer and establishing my business.
The contestants on Julianne being a guest judge from Entertainmentwise (Derek says “She’s going to destroy us!”):
However Glee actress Amber gave a more positive outlook on Julianne’s arrival on the show when she commented: “I really want to impress Julianne because she is one of my favourite dancers and I love watching her dance.”
Appearing to side with Derek that Julianne may be tougher on Derek, Cheryl Burke mused: “She’s probably going to be harder on her brother I think than giving him praise and good scores.”
Claiming that Julianne will be good when it comes to her judging talent, professional dancer Karina Smirnoff commented: “I think she’s going to have a very down to earth relateable comments, marks and hopefully scores.”
However, the dancer appeared to hint that she hopes she won’t be seeing favourtism between Julianne and her brother. She said: “In professional ballroom world, you are not allowed to judge any competition if you have any family members in the competition but hey it’s a TV show and I love Jules.
“I’ve known her since since she was 10 so it’s all good.”
Citing Julianne’s arrival on the show as refreshing, Nicole ‘Snooki’ Polizzi revealed her thoughts: “I’m very excited. she’s talented, amazing, gorgeous. I feel like she’s going to be a nice judge which is refreshing.”
ETA: Hi, Vogue here and I’m finally back. I haven’t had time to listen to everything but, On The Red Carpet has posted new interviews with the cast from after the show last night. You can listen to them all below…