DWTS Season 16, Week 2 – Who Got the Boot? (SPOILERS)
Oh man, that was SO sad. First time I cried at an elimination. Dang.
For those of you who haven’t seen the show but are here getting spoiled, Dorothy removed herself at the last minute on the advice of doctors. She could do permanent damage to herself if she kept on.
The final two came down to Lisa and Victor – we did NOT find out who the eliminee was going to be. Interesting that they kept Andy down there till the last minute – me thinks they want to keep him around. Also interesting were the ones called safe first – Ingo, Sean and Wynonna.
How did we do??
Heidi: Said D.L. was going home with Lisa as an alternate and Victor as a second alternate.
Courtney: She had D.L. with Victor second to last and Lisa third to last.
Vogue-y: Also had D.L. with Wynonna next and Dorothy third.
Winner: No idea. Either me or Courtney, although Vogue was in there with Dorothy.
Such a sad occurrence. Wishing Dorothy all the best!
This is so sad. Dorothy and Tristan were my 2nd favorite team. Now I am supporting Kellie and Derek 100%.
Thanks Heidi (lol to Vogue-y)!! I haven’t watched all the show yet. It just came on here, but, I had to peak in to see who got the boot (here and at twitter). So sad. I just loved Dorothy! Can she come back another season after her foot gets better? I wish and hope so.
Oh joy, Another week of that dreadful DL and Cheryl. I guess, Victor and Lisa just don’t have the fanbase.
Wonder what was the significance of Andy being called last? Was they Really at the bottom, or were they just pulling our leg.
Poor Dorothy, I just think she seemed very fragile, maybe too fragile for this competition.
I cried too when Dorothy made her announcement 🙁 couldn’t believe DL was called safe :{
I totally cried as well. She was such an amazing woman to take herself out this week when she knew it someone was about to go home. Although, I do believe the producers knew the entire show and made everyone else believe that either Victor or Lisa were going home and the “sudden” shock to everyone during break that she decided to leave last minute. Either way, I am sad to see her go because I was SO excited to see her dance. She is such an amazing woman.
I feel bad about Dorothy, but damn, no more Tristan! 🙁
Bummed for Dorothy, really bummed for Tristan. He seems like the nicest man, loved the clip of him consoling her after the performance the night before. I really wanted this season to be a good one for him, and it started out looking like it would be. He knows it’s just a show, though, he said as much in the goodbye interview. He has his head on straight.
Who the hell is voting for DL????
My mouth dropped to the floor when DL was called safe. Just couldn’t believe it. That said, I feel terrible for Dorothy. She did the right thing, her health is more important than the show. She is so classy and I wish she could have stayed on. I think she would have went far. Feel bad for Tristan too. Once again, out too early, but for a very valid reason. He was probably the first to support her decision. He too is a class act and I will miss seeing him each week.
I’m guessing they kept Andy in jeopardy since many people thought he was gonna be the first to go home when he was first announced.
But Dorothy.. omg.. I was devastated.. She may not have been my favorite, but you can’t NOT love her as a human being. Such a class act and kept a smile all throughout. Wishing her a speedy recovery. And who knows, maybe if she feels much better in the future she could join in another season? No?
On another note, I think out of Victor and Lisa, Victor would have gone home. Don’t think he has a bigger fanbase than Lisa sadly.
I’m looking forward to next week. I’m not understanding Prom Night nor am I liking it and the dances they chose (Paso?!). I just want to see how they do after the first elimination.
Poor Dorothy, I had a feeling she might have to withdraw. I’m even sadder about Tristan. Damn will we ever get to see what he can do? His demeanor with her and all his celebs has been so endearing to me.
I also had a gut feeling that DL’s improvement and comedy factor, plus the “scare” of him being so low would garner him a lot of votes, despite the fight. I was sure Victor or Lisa would go home first, and it looks like I would have been right. Hopefully with another week one of them will be given a better opportunity to shine. I think Lisa and Gleb were given a nice little boost tonight with their package.
Also, no surprise about Zandaya getting the encore, although I wish it had been Andy.
I do think the first three called safe – Sean, Ingo, and Wynonna – are all fodder after Victor and Lisa exit.
sad to see dorothy forced to withdraw, but total class act
I found a few things interesting
1) Wynonna, Ingo, Sean called safe first
2) Kellie, Zendaya, and Jacoby lined up and called safe together
3) Andy put in “jeapordy” – i think to spur his fans because they want him around for a while
4) Victor & Lisa must have NO fans (at least not voting ones)…DL covered that 17k spread on them
Dorothy and Tristan 🙁 Tristan was so understanding. He is one of the nicest pros. Other people have removed themselves from the competition before but none were as sad as this. I really liked her.
Words cannot express how much I wanted Victor and Lindsay to go home. I have never been a fan of boxing and she has irked me since the day I was forced to watch Sytycd. Obviously I also would’ve liked to see DL and Cheryl go too, but that goes without saying. Did anyone else get a laugh out of Cheryl response to *not* losing? See Cheryl, getting out isn’t as easy as Tristan makes it look.
Lastly, seriously Kelly!?! You tell the guy that is trying to stay sober, that you’re “going to the bar to have a drink.” You’re lucky you’re a good dancer because you’re not that bright.
NancyM, I believe DL isn’t getting the votes. I think the producers knew before the show that Dorothy was withdrawing, but they had to go through the motions of making couples safe and in jeopardy. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one shocked when DL was called safe, but technically, they all were. They just had to get the show done like any other elimination show. If this situation hadn’t occurred, I believe DL would have gone home.
I have to say this EVERY season cuz people keep forgetting. It’s not just that lots of people are voting for DL, it could also very easily be that NO ONE is voting for Victor (or Lisa).
You’re starting to think like I am, Yo…and you’re touching on the theme of my next big post.
There were several things that irked me about tonight’s show, and I’m not sure I can get to most of them because I think I may have forgotten already….
I think they just DIDN’T KNOW how they wanted to do the results this season, so they gathered up as many different ideas, and just ran with all of them to see which one stuck. It just felt random, and not well thought out or planned… Which is probably what happened. It still felt rushed… Tom was great, though.
I didn’t like the results…. I wish it could have been different, but I respect her decision. Yes, I do think she probably knew before the show, but because of her scores, I think she may have wanted to see what happens. When they were called safe, she couldn’t bear the thought that someone else was going home when she knew she couldn’t do it, she made the decision…
Was it her ankle or the cyst on her spine? I feel for her!! Hope she recovers fully, and she can skate soon!!!
Oh come on – everyone makes that mistake once in a while and they usually feel horrible about it. I’ve done it. My boss did it last week. It’s hard to remember everyone’s issues all the time, especially when you’ve only known them for a short time.
If I’m cutting Zendaya slack for all her shit tonight, I’m going to give Kellie slack for one ill thought out, off the cuff comment.
Wishing Dorothy all the best. Here’s hoping she gets better soon, and that she’ll at least be able to take her bow will all the others at the final show. She will be missed. (And Tristan, too!)
@Cindy but the thing is .. Victor and Lisa were the bottom two. Which implies that DL has more voting fans than both of them. Which to me is still surprising.
@Lindsey I also didn’t know how to feel about Kellie’s comment about going to a bar while speaking to Andy. I mean obviously she wasn’t being rude but mau have just been a slip of the tongue. Then again, I think Andy himself jokes about his alcoholic-days so who knows how he felt about her comment 😛
@yo – I noticed that too!
I immediately thought that, they may have went from the lowest fanbase by starting at the bottom, then working up to the top fanbase favorites. Except for Andy, whom I think they just threw in at the end for drama, no telling how well he is doing.
I still think DL will tank next week.
@Lindsey, did Cheryl and kellie say those things on tonight’s result show? I missed a little bit here and there.
@Cindy, Victor and Lisa were called as the Bottom 2. They weren’t simply “in jeopardy” like Andy was, they were THE BOTTOM 2! D.L. COULD have been in the bottom 3, but we don’t know that, because they only announced the standings for the bottom 2.
Oh Heidi, I can’t wait for your “In Jeopardy” column. 🙂
I definitely don’t think Victor is getting a lot of votes, if I had to put money down on someone going home tonight it would have been him. At least Lisa has Gleb with her. But I’ll never, ever underestimate the power of personality on the show. DL made jokes last night and I bet it gained him a lot of votes from the people that don’t have a favorite, just go from week to week changing who they pick up the phone for.
Kellie seems like a very sweet person. It was just a moment that made me want to smack myself in the head. lol
Tellin’ ya Sandy – works my last never every freakin’ season. 🙂
As I am so happy Lindsay and victor are safe ( Lindsay witney Julian and glebs number was amazing!) but I am absolutely devasted for Dorothy and Tristan!! I wanted to cry I was so sad because u could tell she really wanted it and Tristan finally had an amazing partner and it sucks for him! Dorothy u will be missed, god bless and best wishes!
Shocked Ingo, then Sean, and then Wynonna being called safe. Perhaps all the “Vally” girls are supporting Ingo instead of kelly’s ex Val?
@PH: What shit was Zendaya doing tonight? O.O
Yeah, Lindsey, that’s exactly what I wanted to do to myself when I did it. 🙂 But people can’t be that careful all the time and that is SO something me and many of my friends would say – regularly. “DAMN, I need a drink.” I think I was starting a beer chant at work this afternoon.
My heart will be hurt for a feel days yet, but health comes first. Dorothy is an atlethe and know how much this is so frustrating to her! Plus noone else knows her body better than herself. I didn’t know about Dorothy Hamil till the announcement of DWTS S16, but what I say is that she got a fan on me! She touched my heart in a way I can’t even describe! What a sweetheart!
Oh, nothing horrible, Tony…just talking about how she has to go to school so it’s hard…and age is just a number (yeah, tell that to Dorothy)…and that something (can’t remember what) is a “liability”. I just look at her and laugh, like “Oh child – you are the most blessed person on this show. In every single way. Chill.”
@Dyann – Kellie was just making a bad joke. She said it, because she didn’t think it through. Cheryl’s response seemed to be disappointed shock and her facial expression made me laugh.
Oh. Haha! It just clicked for me how she kind of contradicted herself. I only asked because I didn’t notice anything from her. lol
@PH, I’m still angry with TPTB for what they pulled way back in season FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! After being thwarted for the entire season to try to get Derek and Julianne to buy into the “sibling rivalry” carp, and failing, the used the LAST opportunity they had, and pitted Jennie and Derek against Helio and Julianne for the last spot for the Finale.
Their “in jeopardy” is just a boatload of carp they keep trying to push, and most people don’t sit and listen carefully enough and think their favorite was in the bottom two, and not simply “announced safe last.”
Stupid Show..made me cry. I will miss Dorthy. I was enjoying her journey.I was so hoping DL was going. oh well maybe next week.
Oh joy, more ratchets…and they’re racist, too. Zendaya really has some sweet fans…
I’m devastated, my heart’s favorites gone; but it was the right thing for Dorothy to do for herself and her fellow celebs. She is class from top to bottom. I’ve shed my tears, and as Tristan says “it is what it is.” Now, can we please give Tristan a young, fit, super-ringer next season? He deserves a shot at showing us if he can take a partner to the finals.
I’ll definitely cut Kellie slack on her comment to Andy about going for a drink. No one can be on their guard every second of the day. I’m sure this isn’t the first time it’s happened to Andy. He’s a recovering alcoholic living in a society where drinking is very much part of the social scene. It’s something he’s going to have to deal with for the rest of his life.
Yeah, not even worth talking to them. Like having a battle of wits with an unarmed man. And in this case, I would have to explain that. In very small words. 😀
Yo, if you’re going to troll, it helps your case if you can SPELL.
haha Heidi. I’m glad I’m not the only one who starts a beer chant at work!
Would you expect anything less from me, Kaitlyn?? 😀 The new accountant finds me very amusing.
Yeah Heidi, go enjoy some “deck”…
…since you have such a nice view, and the cats enjoy it too. I bet the views are stunning this time of year! 8-D
Have you ever tried to suck a deck?? It ain’t easy, I’m tellin’ ya. Hard on the teeff.
😉
Splinters galore. And the staining makes it taste bitter.
Who doesn’t enjoy a good deck?
With my luck it’s lead based paint covered deck. And that’s hard on everyone. :::cough:::
Yeah Kellie’s remark seemed to be a “slip” anyone could make. I don’t think Andy seemed upset by what she said. I do wonder why TPTB chose to show that particular segment?
I think Zendaya is an incredible dancer but to be honest something about her errks me. Yes, her talking about “age is just a number” and that doing school is hard but look at Kelly Monaco last season, she worked full time as well as did DWTS. And for the age thing, Wynonna and Dorothy… it is WAY easier to be younger and do the show than older so I feel no sympathy to her for being young. In someway it could be an advantage because she has so much energy and clearly is in good shape. AND one more thing, whenever they show the “box” after a performance, she sits there looking miserable (maybe it’s just me that notices that) but yeah. But with all that said, the girl can dance.
One last thing, I really liked the dance Chelsie and Dmitry did.
Because Kellie was being Kellie and everyone would talk about it. 🙂
This was a WEIRD results show. That callout order was freaking weird.
And just one other thing…I love Chelsie and her technique, I do. But having three of her on one show isn’t necessary.
Let’s put it into perspective: Derek “And Len was kissing Santa Claus”.
Kellie: “Len, who’s Len” Derek (eyes wide): “You know Len the middle judge” Kellie “Oh I know Len..thought you were telling the Christmas Story.” Hello, Kellie’s mouth works faster than her brain…and haven’t we all had those moments….
LOL Lynne I loved that moment. Hahahaha 😛
This is why Kellie is easily the only partner of Derek that I have ever liked 😀
Damn, some of these posters are acting like Zendaya is a demon…she’s 16, so you can never expect a teenager to be damn Mary Poppins perfection kid.
“Oh Kellie just said that on accident, BUT ZENDAYA OMFG END OF THE WORLD!!!!”
…is it really a big deal what either of them said?
Jessica, I have noticed that as well (Zendaya in the skybox post-performance). This goes for anyone in the skybox…smirk, golf clap, look awake, something! It doesn’t make them look any better when another celeb is wearing a giant smile and is basically fist pumping right beside them.That has always bugged me…
Of for god’s sake, Cbg, get over it. No one is acting like Zendaya is a demon at all – you’re just too sensitive. Get over it or move to another site. The only one making a big deal here, in case you hadn’t noticed, is YOU.
Post about the topic, not what other people on this site are saying.
@Anna R Agree about the Chelsie-Julianne clones (too many young petite blondes in the group). I’m very partial to Chelsie so pardon any words I mince about the new girls.
Is it just me and my bias, but Witney needs to work on stretching out/up her neck. (Something looks off). I really like the additions of Gleb and Julian though.
Loved Chelsie and Dmitry dance too That spilt then flip lift was awesome. I want to see more of them in pro dances.
So sad about Dorothy, though I wasn’t surprised – when DL was announced safe, I was wondering if he was really in the bottom two, but Dorothy was withdrawing. Of course, we now know that he wasn’t…sigh. As much as I love Dorothy, and I’m sad to see her leave, she made the right decision. You could see she couldn’t really stand on that ankle, and if she did permanent damage by continuing, then she might never be able to fully use the ankle again. I’m sure she’d like to continue to have full mobility for the rest of her life.
I thought Kellie was so sweet – as Tom and Brooke were wrapping the show up (before Dorothy and Tristan took center stage), she ran down to hug Dorothy.
Perhaps Zendaya is referring to how people seem to think she is so mature for her age, when she says that age is just a number. Also, after seeing DL seeming so devastated and humiliated last night,coupled with the fact that he really seemed to take the competition more seriously, I gave him some votes,but just a few.There…I admit it.
Yeah!! DL survives!! Happy Camper.
Sorry to see Dorothy go home because she had potential and I would have liked to see her dance more weeks, but her health comes first so it was smart of her to leave rather than risk getting hurt even more. Wish her all the best.
I’m happy that Zendaya and Val got the encore. I thought they did great, but I think she should work a liitle bit more on her turns. As far as what she said about how the show is hard because she also has to go to school and do homework, that to me, is what a typical teenager would say. She is so young so maybe having to do so many things at once may be harder for her to deal with than it would for an adult. Also, because of her age, she might feel the need to prove herself, but she just needs to relax and embrace that she is so young because that’s definitely an asset for her on the show.
As for Kellie, I don’t think she meant anything bad with her comment towards Andy. She was just being Kellie lol.
I’m writing this from my phone so I don’t know if anyone else has entertained this possibility, but is there a chance that this entire results show (especially that crazy call-out order) was done just for show because they already knew Dorothy had to withdraw?
@Stephanie Agreed. People need to remember that she is a teenager and yes, physically her age is an advantage, but on a social level…people can sometimes think of teenagers as punks and immature, which she said she is trying to prove false for her.
Dorothy’s withdraw really throws a curveball in things…I expected her to make it to at least Top 5. Seems like Sean and Peta might be getting a pretty decent Bachelor fanbase, which could really push him further along in weeks.
I dont mind zendayas age being brought up this season, its obviously going to be her arch and 16 is CRAZY young for a show like dwts and, believe it or not, comes with cons along with pros
plus, nothing compares to Romeo’s ‘doing everything for the kids’ each week, and chelsea & mark constantly harping about being the young ones and the judges not understanding that they have to entertain and represent the youth…when she wasnt even the youngest her season- and they were both in their 20s
I’m not going to talk about the whole thing with Zendaya or whatever, since this is more about the elimination. I’m sad that Dorothy had to pull out, but I completely understand her reasons. Her health comes first, naturally. She will be missed, but at least she pulled out with her class and dignity in tact. I will also miss Tristan. I do wonder who was really going to go home between Victor and Lisa (honestly, they could both go. I wouldn’t miss them..I’d miss Gleb, but that’s a different story, haha).
Since the bottom two both had new pros, I wonder if people voting for favorite pros might have been one factor in pushing these two couples to the bottom. I know “pro voting” probably isn’t a huge block of voters, but it might have been enough to be a factor.
I’m sorry to see Dorothy go. I figured she would far in this competition.
I was n’t surprised at the bottom two but also DL would be included as the third.
Interesting! On to prom night. Yikes!!!!
Re kellie’s comment, don’t they all party at Mixology after show? That is a bar right?
And I think the first three to be called safe indicate who TPTB want you to think are ‘great’ dancers. They were the ones that seemed to be over scored a tad these past few weeks. Almost as if TPTB is showing the fans that these guys will be around for a while, so better start liking them and voting.
So sad to see Dorothy and Tristan go. I hope Dorothy heals so she can continue to have a very active life. I feel sad for Tristan too.
Yes, as we’ve said several times, Zendaya is just a teenager – if you read all the comments. Thing is – she’s a teenager on TV and not everyone is going to love every single thing she does. That’s a fact. Now you can argue with people all you like but cut out the whining about people being “mean” to poor little Zendaya.
Oh I don’t agree with that, Sueb. I think they often think their audience is stupid…but even they can’t think it’s THAT stupid. Ain’t no way.
Remember sixteen year olds say and do stupid things; it is in their DNA and everything is “stressful” to them (oh little do they know what is ahead of them….) She also has restrictions on the number of hours she can “work”/train due to Calif. labor laws. I believe Shawn had that problem the first time she was on. Anyway everything is always about them so cut her some slack. Hopefully one of her parents will point this out to her and hopefully this will be a maturing experience.
Hated to see Dorothy and Tristan go but as Tristan said; there are other things more important than DWTS. Maybe the C brothers and Tony should take a page out of that philosophy.
Not looking forward to Prom night. At least it is early and we can get it out of the way. Sure none of the pros went to the prom or even know what it is….
Poor Tristan.. He was the first to be eliminated last season and the first to go out this season.
I’ve been said I think Cheryl will take DL to atleast the 3rd, 4th or even 5th week. She obviously has a fan base over the new pros (Lindsay,Gleb,and Sharna). I wasn’t surprised seeing Lindsay and Victor with Gleb and Lisa in the bottom. Lindsay and Victor are going to have to step it up. Victor is capable, it falls on Lindsay.
I’m hoping that Dorothy is healthy enough by the end of the season, that she can dance in the Finale…. I think she has to be one of the sweetest people that they’ve ever found to be a contestant! Seeing her go was so sad…..
Other thoughts I had about last night (while I’m remembering them)…
They need to improve their sound system, or come up with something to make it easier for the pairs to hear whether or not they’re safe. Last night was a nightmare!
I thought the twitter voting for the encore dance was nice, until it occurred to me, as was noted a few places on here, that Zendaya’s fanbase definitely knows how to Mass Twitter…. I really would love to see other people get the encore dancing, but if they do the same every week, it is likely that we will be seeing Zendaya and Val dancing the encore every week…..
Not looking forward to Prom next week…
My DVR didn’t tape either night so just watching Results now on the app. But I wonder if the package introducing Gleb and Lindsay had been done last Monday, would the bottom 2 have been different?
I don’t think DL is getting votes. Unfortunately, I think Cheryl is.
As a skating fan, I’m so sad about Dorothy as I was excited to have another skater on the show. I wish they would have Meryl Davis and Charlie White do an ice dance routine one week.
Get well, Dorothy. Had been waiting years for here to appear on the show.
@Lori – You said exactly what I was thinking when it was announced that Zendaya had won the encore last night: hope TPTB realize that if this “tweet for the encore” is going to be a regular thing, then we’re going to see Zendaya up there every single week, which I’m not cool with. I think they’re going to have to institute a “if you won the encore this week, then you’re not eligible for it for the next two weeks” policy if they want someone other than Zendaya to win the encore at some time this season. Then again, maybe that’s the aim of this whole exercise: just another way for TPTB to capture the attention of the coveted “young” demographic, and shove a member of the family down our throats.
Y’know, I really don’t have any issues with Zendaya personally, but some of her fans (and the potential manipulation I’m already seeing from TPTB, in their endless quest for “young” viewers) are beginning to turn me off of her, as are the Val fans that refuse to believe this guy is human and capable of putting his foot in his mouth on occasion. I’d rather not have this turn into one of those instances where I end up disliking a couple because some of their fans are so obnoxious, but it’s heading in that direction…
I agree about Zendaya and the encore. I hope they realized that this is going to work and will move back to the regular encore. I also didn’t like how it was announced on air who was doing the encore and then didn’t come up right away. I liked how they’ve done it before, judges announcing who they picked and they dance first thing in the show.
I hope TPTB are smart enough to clue in to the young fan twitter voting thing and change things up if it appears that Zendaya is always getting the encore votes. I can’t remember if Tom said that the twitter vote for the encore was for the whole season or just that night. Hopefully they will let the judges choose also.
I’m thinking that this week was the trial run of the “tweet for the encore” exercise – and I’m betting TPTB were probably blown away by the response they got from Zendaya fans. I’m hoping they use those results as a barometer for how things could play out in future weeks of the encore tweeting, and adjust accordingly – I could see them reverting back to the “let the judges pick the encore” format, just to save face. Maybe only do the “tweet for the encore” thing a couple more times, and maybe institute a “if you’ve already won it once, you can’t win it again” rule.
Random: didn’t they say that they were going to crown a prom king & queen next week? I’m wondering if that’s going to be a “tweet to vote” contest, too…if so, I’m all about the #andyforpromking hashtag 😉
I hope TPTB are smart enough to clue in to the young fan twitter voting thing and change things up if it appears that Zendaya is always getting the encore votes. I can’t remember if Tom said that the twitter vote for the encore was for the whole season or just that night. Hopefully they will let the judges choose also
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I hope so. I see enough of her when she dances, or is that prances.
Sad to see Dorothy leave( sniff)
I hope DL leaves next week
I wouldn’t be so sure of that, Zun. I’ve been looking at past eliminations over the seasons and this is a recurring theme. Someone gets hosed one week and people feel sorry for them and they get a one week reprieve. I’m not sure it has as much to do with Cheryl as you might think. That said…being a new pro certainly doesn’t *help* the situation.
Read about voting for prom king and queen. Calling it now, Andy and Zendaya. Tptb had to know Zendaya is not like other Disney stars they had. She is a dancer and fanbase wise, she is their current Selena Gomez or Demi or Miley. She is the main Disney star. I wonder if she will always dance that spot because her show airs during that first hour. Based on numbers, doesn’t seem like the younger demo was watching but they sure were tweeting, lol. It will be boring if she dances encore each week.
I also thought the vote for encore was a way to keep dwts on people’s mind since the voice was premiering.
Also, Court and Lori, having the encore every week through a twitter vote would be pimpage of a mass scale – take about paving a way to the mirrorball trophy! TPTB are good at manipulating things to get the end result they want, this would be another tool in their belt. They have a way of “telling” the audience who should win – this would be another way. I don’t like the idea of Jacoby winning purely because of his fanbase, but I like this idea even less. How about we just let all the couples freakin’ dance and the encore get picked the old way. Mix it up.
Tom said “Last night…” re the voting for the encore – I didn’t hear any implication that it would be that way all season. But that doesn’t mean it won’t be, unfortunately. I guess we have to wait and see.
“in their endless quest for “young” viewers” Mentioned by Tom B in that Archives of Television interview you posted.
@bruce, I laughed when Tom said that too. But the show should just embrace it. Cast a wide net and your viewers will see stars they never knew before and maybe become fans. But do not make it to obvious they are courting a young audience. It may alienate some current viewers. Also looking at Witney excessive mugging last night, not caring for these young pros.
WOW, THAT WAS SAD AND BRAVE GESTURE FROM DOROTHY? I WISH HER GOOD LUCK. SHE CAN STILL DANCE ON THE LOW IMPACT, I.E. CHA CHA CHA WITH A PRIVATE INSTRUCTOR. MY COMMENTS ON THE ELIMINATION, WYNONNA SHOULD GO FIRST. BOY, THE POOR GIRL CAN ONLY MOVE HER HEAD, HANDS AND MAKE FACES. THAT IS NOT DANCING!! WHY DID SHE JOINED. ASIDE FROM HAVING A GOOD FANBASE, A DANCER SHOULD AT LEAST MOVE HER FEET..IN HER CASE, HER FEET CARRY HER. YOU HAVE TO CARRY YOUR FEET SO YOU CAN TAKE THEM ANYWHERE YOU WANT. LOOK AT ZENDAYA, WOW, THOSE LONG LEGS SURELY TAKE HER WHEREVER SHE WANTS THEM TO GO. NOW, THAT IS DANCING. THIS IS A LITTLE ADVICE TO ALL WHO WANTS TO CARESS THE FLOOR WITH THEIR FEET.
According to Dorothy’s interview on Access, she and the producers new that morning that she wasn’t going to be continuing, so yeah, manipulation much?
of course TPTB manipulated Dorothy’s exit. It’s what they do, and they seem to think that’s their job – manipulate the crap out of everything every chance they get!
I think I remember Dorothy saying she knew that morning but discussed with producers as to what would be best for the show and Tristan agreeing, saying something to the effect “at the end of the day, we’re employees” I got the feeling the late in show announcement was not how Dorothy or Tristan would have handled it – the “we’re employees” comment implies they did as they were told by the boss.
It’s really too bad that Dorothy had to leave. She gave the show some class. Such a lady. But, like another poster said, we have yet to see Tristan at his best. Hope he gets an able partner next season. Nothing against Dorothy, or his other partners, ( loved Gladys Knight 🙂 ), he’s just overdue for a Kellie , or Zendaya. Speaking of which, I love both these dancers, and if they occasionally say wonky stuff, Zendaya because of her youth, and Kellie because, well , she’s Kellie :), I can deal. They are both a pleasure to watch. And they have two of the best pros on the show, so I’m looking forward to some great dances.
Oooh agree Heather #77! I would love to see Meryl & Charlie do a dance on the floor, even not on ice. That would be cool to see and a bit different for them. Maybe next season leading up to Sochi?
So sad Dorothy has to go. Maybe she’ll be able to do the show again one day? It’s possible but maybe not likely….
It is already shaping up to be Zendaya-Kellie-Jacoby finale, especially with wild card Dorothy out. The wild cards now could be Andy, if he keeps improving and people keep supporting his journey and Aly, if her season goes in the way Shawn’s season 8 did. But who knows, maybe some of the other middle-of-the-pack dancers can rise up and surprise us too!
Sorry for the double post, but just had to add, I agree with everyone about the tweeting for the encore dance. As much as I like Zendaya, I don’t want her to get the encore every week. Like some of you said, if they’re going to continue this “tweet” stuff, limit the amount of times you can win. If I you ask me, and nobody did, but I’m commenting anyway,there was nothing wrong with letting the “judges” and I use that term loosely :), chose the encore.
First time poster so be nice 😉
I think people really need to take a chill people with contestant’s comments and reactions. Zendaya is a kid and I expect nothing less than for her to comment with naiveté. In my opinion that is the problem with most Disney stars, they are so PC it’s ridiculous. Kellie’s comment made me cringe but then I started laughing because it obviously went right over her head and Andy’s face was priceless. I never pay too much attention to the reactions in the box because some people are nervous, some are tired, some disappointed or happy. I actually get irritated with the people who are always smiling and clapping, with few exceptions most people aren’t that damn cheerful.
Lastly I just wanted to comment on Val. I really like him and I think he really does have good intentions but he carries a lot of Maks baggage and is still fairly young. The guy does need some PR tips, if he wants to be the star he is trying to be. I remember seeing an interview with he and Kelly and he said she was teaching him to carry himself better (as in know his audience). For instance I don’t think his tweet about just dancing and bowing was an underhanded cheap shot as much as something the probably only himself and a few others understood the meaning. (I can explain why I think that but this post is already too long)
Niki, we are nice and welcome, but, please don’t tell others to take a chill pill regarding anything or you are going to start off on the wrong foot. Everyone has a right to their opinions here and you aren’t a moderator.
Kellie’s words to Andy *really* turned me off :@
Well, I love to go to a bar for a drink too, but I don’t always get an alcoholic drink. A drink in a bar could be anything! I doubt Andy is as sensitive as some of the posters here are! If he is, he’s in trouble!
As far as what Kellie said to Andy, it’s simply MY OWN OPINION, but I do think people are looking too much into it, because they WANT to. IN MY OWN OPINION, some people are looking for a reason to hate her, because they don’t want to like her, because it would make it easier to vote against Derek, if they didn’t like his partner…. And she is sweet and nice….
Niki, just a little bit of advice, since you’re new at this – it’s generally best to make your comments about what your opinion is on a certain topic, rather than what you think of what other people think about it. In fact, we usually delete comments where people take aim at other posters. Your comment would probably have been better received had you phrased it like “I personally didn’t think there was anything wrong with what Zendaya said, and here’s why” rather than “You guys are overreacting about what the contestants say!” You see the difference there? Make it about what YOU think, rather than what other people think. You probably need to avoid telling people what to do, too – telling everyone to “be nice” and then to “take a chill pill” is not only bossy-sounding, but it’s like saying “Ok, I’m going to go ahead and insult you, but you aren’t allowed to be mean back to me, k?” Sometimes how well a comment is (or isn’t) received has less to do with what is being said, and more to do with HOW it’s said.
Hopefully Sharna has figured out by now the manipulation that goes into this show, one being, the Fake “In Jeopardy” maneuver that the producers try to portray, and can support Andy through this first elimination process.
Suddenly my Top 3 Favorites this season has become my Top 2 favorites, now being Andy and Sharna and Kellie and Derek. But I sure will miss Dorothy and my cute little leprechaun.
Gee Carrie Jane, that wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that you don’t like Derek, would it? Considering that a quick search of your comments basically comes up with some rendition of “I don’t like Derek, I don’t like Shawn, I didn’t miss Derek when he was gone, Val is awesome, I love Zendaya, etc.”
Truth be told, I don’t think it matters what ANY of us think about what Kellie said – to me, it’s all in how Andy felt about it. And judging from his good-natured demeanor, I doubt he was deeply disturbed by it, and understood that it wasn’t coming from a place of malice on her part, but was just a casual remark that wasn’t thought through entirely. He seems like he’s a very good, healthy place with his sobriety at this point, and isn’t going to suddenly fall off the wagon at a good-faith comment that maybe wasn’t 100% tactful. So until Andy tweets/mentions in an interview/otherwise expresses “deep offense” at Kellie’s comment, I think anyone who is “really turned off” by it is just giving a damn when it’s not their turn.
Boy, Courtney, you’re so nice. Niki is VERY lucky today. Cuz I ain’t feelin’ it. 🙂 I’ve just about had it with people telling me to chill out when I’m not even heated. You don’t like my opinion – that doesn’t make me un-chilled. Actually, it makes YOU un-chilled.
True, Meggie. If that sort of thing will set him off or send him running to a bar, his sobriety is already in big, BIG trouble. I’m not too worried about that just yet.
I think that random off-the-cuff comments like Kellie’s are something that every recovering alcoholic has to get used to and is even part of the process. Gradually, hopefully, a person in Andy’s position becomes stronger and stronger and I think that him being thrown in with all these different types of personalities and yet being able to bond with everyone is excellent. One of the reasons that I have loved this show (besides the great dancing) is how the pros and the “star” cast bond and sort of nurture each other unlike other reality shows. Each season I am surprised that someone who I didn’t know or care about or had negative thoughts about becomes a “real person” and they really let their personal guard down. Sometimes I think some really famous people (like Kelly Osbourne) were really able to make life-time friendships.
I agree with Heidi that if an innocent remark like that would cause him to drink again, he was already wavering in his commitment to stay sober. My own personal take on it is that he appears very committed to staying sober and starting over in life and I think that is why he is so committed to doing his best on the show.
Hi Mods were you waiting on the resident Troll. To the 50, 52, and 58 posters. I am a Chelsie fan. Love to bring her up every now and then. And wasn’t the first in this specific blog. IMO the Chelsie clones got their backsides whooped by the real Chelsie. And Dmitry took care of Julian, and Gleb. I’m sorry to say this we already have a Sasha, and Henry in the dance troupe. I want Max back, Gleb may have the Hottie factor. Maybe a little cute, but, the inexperience factor is causing me not to like him. I don’t know much about the Julian guy. But, I got that very wet behind the ears impression. Whitney, and Lindsay. I bet the real Chelsie got sidelined because of the two of them coming to DWTS. If she did that dance with Dmitry. Versus the intro dance for the 4 new DWTS dancers. Was TPTB’s way of saying welcome to the big leagues. And the two veteran SYTYCD alumni stomped the new kids on the DWTS turf. The intro dance seemed more like the new kids were rushing to finish the dance. Instead of trying to sell the hype that they were the next big stars. It’s been two weeks in the competition and Lindsay is already getting dislikes. I don’t see how she is a Chelsie 2.0. Uh, Mods by any chance could TPTB have sidelined Chelsie for the same reasons why Cheryl may have brought up this website. A PR stunt in order to give Chelsie a push in bringing in a larger fan base. To see if by some chance one of the veteran female dancers were to leave. That they would have someone there that comes close to filling that spot. If it were between PETA, and Chelsie. If TPTB didn’t like Chelsie why keep her on the show as long as they have. Could just be my random trolling bad habits. But, that performance with Dmitry as physical as it was. Chelsie’s religious side doesn’t appear to be holding her back. If you’ve been keeping up with her twitter, or Facebook pages. It’s currently surfacing the religious background. She’s the one who exposed it. It could just be me. But, there was way too many rumors of the top veterans not coming back this season. Maks was one of them. But, Anna, Chelsie, and Louis were not. Is it possible one of those that are in this season. Could actually be leaving. And that Lindsay, and Gleb are only pros for the short term. Not trying to start something. But, if they lost a veteran pro for good. I can’t picture TPTB sitting Maks, Anna, and Chelsie out permanently. Not until the big empty hole was filled by someone who could fill the huge gap. Right now I don’t see anybody capable of filling that huge gap. If it were a woman Chelsie’s experience and youth may be what they are looking for. PETA is okay, but, not my first choice. And not being bias. I just find it strange that the two new girls. Came from SYTYCD. Chelsie is the only active or in this season inactive. SYTYCD alumni left with seasons experience. Working with celebrities. I’ll end my trolling. Wishful dreaming. Wild imagination. Just thought it was hilarious the new kids. Got stomped by Dmitry, and Chelsie.
Tracy, I’ve wondered if it’s because Chelsie really didn’t do anything “magical” with Helio during all-stars.
Sharna is perfect for Andy. I couldn’t picture Anna with either Andy or Victor, but I could picture Chelsie with Victor.
Interesting thoughts on Chelsie. So she did 3 dances with Helio, 4 if you count finale (which wasn’t that great IMO). She really helped Helio technically especially with the jive, but her choreography skills are really holding her back. Chelsie seems be good at teaching and stronger at it than some of the other pros. I hope sitting out this season (with the clones-drones tearing at her or trying to replace her) jolts something in her to improve her choreography skills and creativity. I’m very interested to see her choreograph a contemporary routine. Her cha-cha with Roshon that first week in his season was refreshing and I wonder if having those 3-4 weeks prior to competition helped get her creative juices flowing more than the one week they usually. She just needs to explore more with choreography in any way she can. Excited that she may be an All Star on SYTYCD.
Chelsie was fabulous dancing last night. Even Dmitry brought his A game last night too. I love those two together especially their routine with Jewel. I hope to see Tristan in some pro dances now that he is out for the season. Maybe one with Chelsie.
Don’t know what to think about prom week. It seems like there will be all kinds of dances…slow and fast pace. I still just can’t fathom Prom Paso. Looking forward to Sharna and Andy the most I think next week.
OK, I understand yall want Lindsay to have been in the troupe but she isn’t. I am an avid Lindsay supporter because I have been trained by her mother and herself a little bit. I see what yall mean by being the troupe could’ve benefitted her, which I will say I can agree. But the Chelsie vs. Lindsay & Witney thing is ridiculous. I have a good feeling that Chelsie isn’t off the show for good. They probably didn’t find someone good for her but also they want fresh faces which I think we need because I think Derek and couple of other pros will be leaving soon and they want to get the new faces out there to become more familiar so once they leave they will still have viewers.
Can we talk about their performances last night. Chelsie and Dmitry were amazing as expected. DUH, they are seasoned pros that are amazing and I love them. Now, The Lindsay, Witney, Julian and Gleb routine was absolutely phenomenal. I hope yall can at least give them some credit for that because it really showed that they are very promising. Lindsay and Gleb will grow immensely. I can honestly say I don’t think Lindsay or Gleb will win. It pains me to say that about my girl Linds but it’s true but she will grow after this season so I definitely think bringing her and Witney and Julian is great because they are superstar performers and amazing so I definitely see good things from them in the future. And of course I would love to be on show btw 🙂 haha. But I just wanted to voice my opinion a bit 🙂 I love this site more and more.
I really think that Victor and Lindsay would have been the one’s to leave if Dorothy didn’t have to drop out. I’m not a Housewives fan and never heard of her until now. I find her much more amusing to watch,along with Gleb and Jiggy, than Victor and Lindsay. And though Gleb physically reminds me of Maks, he so far is not really ACTING like Maks, which I for one am grateful for. Lindsay may be young and blonde but for me those are the only similarities I see to Chelsie.When I think of Chelsie I think for her bubbly persona. Lindsay so far has not made ANY type of impression on me good or bad. Sharna on the other hand appears very encouraging of Andy, and creative and entertaining as a new pro. She strikes me as a female version of Mark. Great with characterization and performing and not afraid to push the boundaries a bit.
I gotta wonder, since I read somewhere that TPTB KNEW Dorothy was withdrawing BEFORE Tuesday night’s results show, that DL woould’ve been the one eliminated but called him safe for the SHOCK factor, given his low scores the first two weeks. We all know TPTB are that manipulative and I could totally see them pulling a stunt like that because they knew with Dorothy’s departure that there would BE no elimination so call DL safe for the shock value. Makes sense to me.
KellyK – I saw one of the interviews Dorothy did (one that our MOST WONDERFUL Vogue posted) where she said she knew Tuesday morning. So I feel like TPTB knew shortly after that. And I’m *sure* I heard Brooke say Lisa and Victor were “in the bottom 2”, so I think D.L.’s and Cheryl’s fan bases pulled them out, regardless of what happened with Dorothy…
As for Kellie’s comment to Andy, put me in with the “who cares” crowd. I saw pap footage of Andy going to the friggin’ after-party at “Mixology”… so he’s comfortable enough with being sober to go to a club… Kellie’s comment was harmless, IMO.
@Sally – You are right, Brooke specifically said “in the bottom 2” for Lisa and Victor. Not sure about DL’s fanbase, but I am thinking more on the lines that Victor and Lisa don’t have any fanbase.
@Grant and Harriett – In my opinion, Chelsie and Dimitri were forgettable as pro choreographers on the show. I can’t remember one dance that was memorable by either one of them. Not to mention, Dimitri is boring as crap.
It’s not really in their nature to lie about the results, so I doubt they would have fibbed and said D.L. was safe if he wasn’t. As for where his votes are coming from – I think some of Cheryl’s batshit crazy fans are partially to blame, and judging from some of the trolls who now reside in our comment trash bin…there seem to be at least a few special individuals whose motivation in voting for him is purely racial. 😯 People boggle my mind…
As for the great Chelsie & Dmitry debate of 2013 (which Tracy just HAD to bring up, even though none of us were even talking about it – congrats on hijacking this thread, Tracy), let’s just put it this way: there’s a reason why they aren’t on the show this season. If they were that compelling, TPTB would have made room for them on the roster, instead of bringing in new pros. I don’t care about the standard company line of “we rotate our pros” – if that were the case, every single pro we have now would have sat out a season or two whether they wanted to our not. I think the real philosophy is “If we’re not seeing results out of you, don’t be surprised if you find yourselves jobless!” Anyone else notice the pattern that unites Anna, Maks, Louis, & Chelsie? All 4 had been on the show at least 7 seasons, and all 4 were still MBT-less. Every pro this season has either won at least once, or has only been on the show 3 seasons or less prior to this season. Hell, I think Chelsie should feel blessed that she stuck around as long as she did – Dmitry joined the show the same season she did, and he was already relegated to “we’ll call you if we need you” status after his 2nd season; Lacey only managed to eek out 3 seasons before being sat out one season (almost two), and then did 3 more seasons before being benched again indefinitely. It’s still a business, and you want your first string to be strong – so sometimes you have to make tough cuts. You can wax poetic about how “amazing” she is as a dancer all you want – but she still wasn’t about to pull the trigger when it came to getting her partners to the finals, and that’s ultimately the function of the pros on this show: help their partners get as far as they can.
As Heidi Klum would say, “One day your in and the next day your out”.
So this isn’t specifically about the eliminations, but it is related to the result show. Given the “introduce our new dancers, pro and troupe, section”, it seems they only added two new dancers to the troupe. Apparently Elena (was that her name?) didn’t join, and I guess Sonny must have left, because I don’t think I saw him during the pro/troupe dance and there only seemed to be six troupe members. There was some discussion about them expanding the troupe eight members here – anyone know what happened?
I think people might have underestimated Cheryl and D.L. Cheryl has a HUGE fan base. She’s not going to leave before some unknown new pros. People love her and honestly D.L. might be rough but if he keeps improving and becoming more gracious he’ll stick around for a while. America loves the under dog. Right now you have those who are so far ahead of the others (Kellie, Zendaya, Jacoby) that the real fight is who is going to leave faster. That will come down to pro fan bases IMO.
Yep, I’m with Courtney. As with the rest of the competition, it’s not just about the dancing.
I would be curious as to what data the producers have that makes one pro go on rotating status as opposed to a sure thing. Is their choreo not exciting enough? Are they not good at partnering a newbie? In Louis’ case it might just be that he’s too short to partner often, not to mention being a good bit older than the rest. I’m sure there are all kinds of metrics that tell them who the popular kids are, beyond what is very obvious to us.
I also wonder what it is about Tristan that makes them continually give him partners in the same age range. Because, again, there is a REASON why he gets those partners. People whine and complain about Derek getting great partners all the time (although that is very shallow when you really think about who he’s partnered), but there is a reason why he gets the partners he gets as well. Tristan’s lack of…desire? drive?…to choreograph that DaD with Chelsie might be a clue as to why he gets the partners he does. Does he have the drive that Derek, Mark, Kym, Karina (and maybe Val, jury is out) seem to have to make a really cool dance?? Or is he just really good at helping the older ladies get through the show – the ladies that are freakin’ icons, but who won’t be able to handle the really difficult stuff? All of these people aren’t just “Dancers/choreographers” – they are individuals with unique personalities and talents and ambitions. I’m curious about that, actually.
Love Heather #77 and EPMusic #94’s idea about maybe having Charlie White and Meryl Davis dance on the show…WOW, that would be amazing. I felt so sad about the lovely Dorothy because I have been a fan for years, but she did seem really fragile to me from the beginning. It surprised me that a major competitor who won an Olympic Gold medal would be so insecure, teary and fragile from day one. Anyway, I will miss her for sure, and certainly Tristan who I enjoy watching so much. I’m not impressed with Lindsay and Gleb, although I enjoyed the Lindsey, Whitney, Julian and Gleb routine very much but mostly because of Whitney. I’m still crazy about Kellie and Derek and hope they make the finals.
I read through comment #105 and didn’t think I had anything to add. Then I came back and saw the new posts about Chelsie, and the new pros/troupe members.
My wife and I love to watch Chelsie dance, and we think she’s one of the best dancers out there. Her Paso Doble with Derek was the best we think we’ve ever seen. A number like the one with Dimitri really showcases a lot of her strengths.
But Courtney summed it up in Post #116: “It’s still a business”. Her first year she took the cowboy, Ty Murray, to 4th place. (That was a miracle, IMO) Everybody else has been a 5th through 11th, including the famous “3” score that Michael Bolton received from Bruno. TPTB were obviously looking for a change.
As to why both Lindsay and Witney were brought over from SYTYCD, we would love to know more. Is there any overlap at all on TPTB on the two shows? (Difficult with them being on ABC and FOX, but we see the same choreographers, and several DWTS pros have done things with SYTYCD, and many, many SYTYCD dancers have appeared in specialty numbers on DWTS. One year we though Ryan (Mia Michels protege) should have been an honorary troupe member.)
I think I sense in Tristan a more nurturing than a winner-take-all personality – someone that won’t create “ick” factor when dancing with an older lady, who won’t look ridiculous with them and will help make them and the audience feel comfortable with their partnership – wherever that may take them. The one person they tried to sex him up with, Pam, was a disaster (but mostly because she was out of her league and had no practice time), so they relegated him to the formula again. I think he has that niche carved out for him as someone between a Derek and a Tony.
@Lee – It still boggles my mind that DWTS has chosen to both emulate and borrow personnel from a show that is basically in its death throes (SYTYCD had its lowest ratings to date last summer, and ratings have been declining since season 6), but in the case of Witney & Lindsay, I think the fact that they made it as far as they did on SYTYCD probably played a part…there have been ballroom dancers on SYTYCD since Chelsie & Dmitry, but it seems like the bulk of them get voted out within the first few weeks of the competition. Witney & Lindsay were really the first ones since Chelsie to actually have some longevity on that show. I also think the fact that they were students of Mark’s (and that Lindsay had competed in the “Ballroom Battle” segment in season 14) probably played a small role, as there does seem to be some nepotism when it comes to casting pros & troupe members on DWTS.
As far as I know, there is no overlap amongst the higher-ups at DWTS & SYTYCD, since they are on different networks, but I guess the justification in the “borrowing” is “Hey, we’re both dance shows, we may as well glom off of some of the talent they’ve had on their show!” DWTS has taken former SYTYCD contestants on as pros & troupe members, and SYTYCD has on occasion borrowed DWTS pros to choreograph routines or serve as all-stars. As for the results show performances using SYTYCD contestants (and the omnipresent “Travis Wall Entourage”) – I think DWTS is basically always looking for acts to fill time on the results shows, and so many former SYTYCD contestants are looking for pro work in the LA area, that there’s bound to be some overlap. Ryan Ramirez (I think that’s who you were referring to – blonde, curly hair, big lips, and a rather shiny complexion?), Jaimie Goodwin, Robert Roldan, Alexa Anderson, and a lot of others are who I refer to as “The Travis Wall Entourage”: those who have either trained with Travis or who he has adopted into his posse, and consequently they seem to get all the primo gigs dancing on results shows and whatnot. I personally think he’s a bit overrated, but since his success on SYTYCD as both a contestant and a choreographer, a lot of doors have opened for him and he’s been lucky enough to shove some friends through them, too. I still think Travis’ results show performance in season 14 was to blame for DWTS getting shut out of the the outstanding choreography category at the Emmys last year…and TPTB probably didn’t do themselves any favors by booking him. And you can bet your buns that Simon Lythgoe got a good, long smirk out of that one, since he’s practically made a pasttime out of comparing his show to DWTS. Guess that’s why it blows my mind that DWTS seems so willing to emulate and borrow from SYTYCD – it only adds fuel to Simon’s fire, even though it’s his show that’s really in danger of being cancelled.
I just think the show is trying to reinvent itself and embrace other forms of dance. Ballroom has been its core but as with all things they change. I rather enjoy all dance and it to see it performed with excitement is appealing to me. I personally don’t mind seeing jazz/hip hop/contemporary and if they want to compete with entertaining the same viewers as say “The Voice” they will need to expand into other genres. I don’t see having as diverse artists as Josh Grobin and Chris Brown on a results show and have only one style of dance on your main one. Doesn’t make sense. Mix it up.
@ Courtney
Thanks for the long and detailed response. Yes, that is the Ryan I was referring to, and you are so right about the lack of Ballroom getting anywhere recently on SYTYCD until Lindsay and Whitney came along. I think the last time anyone made it to the top ten were Ryan and Ashleigh DiLello back in their Season 6.
Simon Lythgoe! Mixing up two of the cocky Fox show producers Courtney?
Not making fun, I just got a good laugh out of it:)
I hit submit before I meant to!
We like both shows – DWTS for the core group of really good professionals providing both the teaching as well as their performances, and SYTYCD to promote young talent.
Where I think both can be improved is the judging and how that carries over to the results.
And there are days when I wish both Len and Simon would stay east of the Atlantic!
Hehe…slip of the tongue. All those British names start sounding alike when you’re as burnt out as I am 🙂
Well, Simon IS Nigel’s son’s name. 🙂 Also a producer in the biz.
Ruminating on Heidi’s question of what metrics TPTB use to determine how a pro is doing…
…well, with Chelsie, she got the furthest on her very first season (and like Lee, I think that was just a miracle), and then was never able to achieve that kind of finish again. She may very well have suffered from “I peaked too early” syndrome – I also think that she was just not getting the same volume of votes that powerhouses like Derek, Mark, Maks, Cheryl, Kym, Karina, etc. were getting…the fact that she went out early with Helio and kept finding herself in the bottom 2 with Roshon (both contestants I think TPTB expected her to do well with) probably didn’t look good on paper. I think with Anna & Maks, just looking at who they’ve been paired with, you’d be puzzled as to why they haven’t won yet…I still firmly believe that there was no reason on paper that Evan shouldn’t have won season 10, and that it was a combination of a bad freestyle and tense partnership that did those two in. And really, statistically, there’s no reason that Jerry shouldn’t have won, either – I think NFL fanbase trumps defunct boyband fanbase, easily. And what about Kurt??? An NFL-er that couldn’t get past a fading singer, a “political activist” that couldn’t dance, and a Disney kid?! And outside of the 3 I just mentioned…Anna has finished in 11th place FOUR times, 10th place once, 9th place once, and 8th place once. That’s a pretty dismal record, kids – if I were the owner of a professional sports team and that was our record, I’d be firing the coach, because that says to me “I can really only go far with a ringer, and even then I can’t manage to seal the deal!” I know, it’s coming across harsh – but I guess I’m just a little flustered with Anna, because she’s the common denominator here and she just couldn’t seem to figure out what needed to change. Then there’s Maks – another one that seems to have figured out how at least get to the semi finals/finals, but can’t pull the trigger either: (2) 2nd place finishes, (2) 3rd place, (2) 4th place, (1) 5th place, (1) 6th, (2) 7th, (2) 12th place (yikes) and one withdrawal due to injury. I still shake my head thinking of how bad his freestyle with Mel B. was – that’s one of the few cases where I think a bad freestyle really cost a couple the MBT. Again, if you look at it within the context of being a professional sports team owner and you’re evaluating your coach, how long are you going to hold onto a coach that can get you into the playoffs, but can’t manage to win a Superbowl?
About Chelsie, I’ve always had the (probably unpopular) view that the reason she got as far as she did when she began in season 8, was never her teaching/choreography, but because she lucked out by being matched with someone who ended up being incredibly endearing. Yes, Ty DID improve, and he DID work hard, and they DID have a great partnership…. But once they hit midseason, I don’t think he ever really improved much after that. And anytime I mentioned it after that season, I was told I was wrong, and that Chelsie WAS a good teacher because she got Ty to the semi-finals…. Ty was definitely her best partnership, the one that always “felt” the most natural, and the one with the best chemistry… The next closest to me would be Louie, and they were doomed with the “showmance” of the season…..
I think there’s more to it than *just* how far they go in the competition. I mean, if you always give Tristan (for example) older ladies, you KNOW he isn’t going to go very far. I think they have a whole lot of factors they might look at, in no particular order:
– Audience impression/Market research
– Volume of Fan mail
– Media impact (do they get mentions in magazines or on TV) (This one is almost always publicist driven by the current, popular pros, but you have to get to “Popular” status before you can afford a publicist)
– Twitter/facebook/other social media impacts
– How well they work with a variety of people, INCLUDING production
– Choreography
I can’t even imagine what else they might have in their bag of tricks that allows them to make decisions.
People complain that Derek seems “favored” (except at the judges table, clearly) – IF that is true…why? Why is he favored? I don’t know that I agree…and I certainly don’t agree that he always gets the best partners, because there are celebs that ASK and that outweighs giving him the best partner, among other things. But how do you think TPTB feel about Emmy nominations and who do you think they see as their best shot at getting those and (hopefully) eventually winning?? Talk about good buzz!! They were probably thrilled when Probst dropped out of the host race allowing The Berg to finally win one. And we’re not just talking Derek here. It’s Mark, Kym, Karina and formerly Cheryl. I’m probably leaving someone out. Derek has more success simply because he goes outside the standard ballroom box more often and he’s tremendously creative, and that’s what you have to do for those nominations when the committee is comprised of so many contemporary people and is campaigned heavily by Nigel Lithgow.
Hell, Derek joked the other day that they added contemporary and jazz just for him because they know that he likes to do different things and they (and he) feel bad for his partners getting “punished” for his creativity (I believe his words were “non-dancing with the stars choreography” – he seems to refuse, rightfully so, to say he breaks the rules all the time, but he will say he goes outside what they (Len) likes) Thing is, I don’t think it’s really a joke. I don’t think they CARE that he gets punished at the judges table for what he does because shit scores for amazing dances creates buzz, but you have to think that just perhaps they added those dances not just as a challenge to Derek, but also to Mark and Val – all three guys with partners who have potential. Is it a coincidence that they added styles that not only appeal to a wider audience, but also have much larger appeal to an Emmy panel?? And is it also a coincidence that Zendaya and Kellie were handed Jazz and contemporary in the first two weeks?? I’m thinking NO.
Just food for thought. You can tell I’ve given it some thought. 🙂 I don’t think TPTB cares who wins…but I bet they care about Emmy and buzz.
#Lori…That was the season I first started watching DWTS. Just to see Ty Murray. His personality and the PBR kept him in the dance. He was just as shocked as everyone else when they beat out Derek and Lil Kim. So, I guess my point is that I agree that it wasn’t Chelsie’s teaching/choreography. She was just lucky to get someone like Ty in her first year. No diss to Chelsie. I really like her, and hope she is back next season.
Totally appreciating the in depth thoughts on the benching pros from you all. The football team analogy helped me see things more clearly. Not counting the current season but Tristan and Chelsie are the only ones that have not made the finals, right? Agree whole heartedly that Ty is the one who brought in votes that season with Chelsie (and I’m a fan of her dancing). When you put their pro stats on paper like that it make senses why certain pro aren’t brought back or benched for a season. One thing i dont get from TPTB, is if they haven’t got the results from former SYTYCders as pros on DWTS the why bring in more. Haven’t the pros from Burn the Floor been more successful (maybe I’m wrong about that)? I wish TPTB had brought in a little more variation in the new pros and new troupe members like an older pro along the lines of Nick Kosovich. But what do I know other than my opinion.
To those wanting some ice dancing performances on the results show, Meryl and Charlie would be great band so would Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donahue. If the TPTB want to show more variations in dance, ice dancing would be a great start IMO for the result show. Or even single skaters like Jeremy Abbott.
haven’t posted for a long time, so just a few thoughts – my first impression at seeing the final 3 was that it was the 3 new pros at the end. Yeah, they were probably trying to scare up more Andy support, but it does make a statement to show all three new kids at the end.
next, what you think? could they be pushing Peta&Sean for a few more weeks in order to entice the entire cast of dwts to appear at the televised wedding? maybe Peta as a bridesmaid? I bet Cheryl is pea-green. wasn’t she angling to get the Bachelorette slot? and ABC is always trying to tie the 2 shows together.
last – I’m not a Peta&Sean fan, but I have to say I hate it when the judges look at the contestant and school them about lack of proper content or gimmicks and props or too much Lindy and not enough Jive. Like the stars know or can change the matter. Whomever it happens to always gets my sympathy along with whomever their pro is getting my goat. Unless, contrary me 😉 , it is Derek devising awesome choreography that Len gets anal about. I can never be mad a inventive choreography.
Thank you to the lovely ladies at Pure for all the tireless updates, insights, and hilarity that make up at least half the reason I still watch this show. Cheers to you.
I finally got to watch the results and I am so sad to see Dorothy and Tristan leaving. Their partnership had so much potential to go all the way. It really sucks that she got injured. Now we can’t see her journey to grow as a dancer or see Tristan’s choreography and personality. The bottom three couples all had the new pros which shows how the pro fanbase is just as important or as big as the celeb fanbase.
I really thought DL was going home. Don’t get me wrong, I am a big supporter of DL and I am so happy to see him still in the competition but I believe in giving credit to where credit is do. Those people in the bottom three did a better job than he did. And as a DL and Cheryl supporter I thought that they should have gone home based on the scores. I think people (and me included) have underestimate how big of a fanbase either Cheryl and/or DL have because it was a miracle that they are still there. Hopefully they will take this opprotunity to continue to work hard, continue to improve on the dancing ability, and continue to have a better attitude about the competition. I know that its hard DL but you have been through worse things and have come out on top. 🙂
@Beka – “maybe Peta as a bridesmaid”…. I spit out my coffee on that one! Thank you for the chuckle.
Harriett, it’s not that they’re from SYTYCD that’s the issue – I don’t think that’s a symptom at all. It’s the dancers as individuals.
I wouldn’t be so sure that it’s about the new pros. The new pros also got the least likely to advance celebrities. And Andy was NOT necessarily the bottom three, so he shouldn’t even be included in the discussion about who was standing up there at the end.
I would not call DL staying “a miracle” MUCH larger margins have been over come by other people. Again, it’s not just about Cheryl and DL but about the people they were up against, specifically Lisa and Victor. It’s easy to over come a margin if the people on the other end of the margin are getting few votes.
Yup Heidi, Most of us on here know that Andy and Sharna were NOT in the bottom 3. Somebody should tell them that, they give the impression in their AfterBuss interview, that they think they were in the Bottom 3.
I can’t wait to read your column on just this topic, “In Jeopardy”. 🙂
Harriet 135 – Love all the skaters you named. I hope Jeremy Abbott can get his nerves together because he can be on the Olympic podium if he can. A true skater and dancer.
If the Olympics were being broadcast on ABC, I would drum up support for viewing the ice dance competition (probably the least well-known of the 4) by having some of the US teams dance on DWTS result shows in the fall, especially since ours will be favored for Olympic gold (and possibly the ONLY skating discipline we are fighting for gold in).
I bet many people who have found a new love for ballroom dance or dance in general don’t even realize they could be watching a form of it in the Olympic Games! And on one of the highest viewed shows in tv, DWTS, would be a good way to promote ice dance. But, probably won’t happen since NBC is airing the Olympics.
MY POEM FOR WEEK TWO
A JAZZY SNAZZY BALLROOM SHOW
A jazzy, snazzy, razz-ma-tazzy ballroom show
The ballroom was in a jazzy mood, all aglow
Strolling down the stairs, to a deafening roar
The couples strolled on to the ballroom floor
Dances with a lively step of the ballroom beat
Executing difficult, intricate steps of their feet
The jazzers performed a new dancing style
Jacoby and Karina entertained with a smile
Andy and Sharna’s dance had a comedic flair
Derek had Kellie suspended in the ballroom air
The jive is always a jump-jiving rousing treat
Zendaya and Val were pumping with jive heat
Victor and Lindsey, Lisa and Gleb, Peta, Sean
Got their jive together and rock and rolled on
Dorothy and Tristan Jived their last renditition
Sadly her injury took her out of the competition
The quickstep was on display, steps were galore
Ingo and Kym had us on our feet wanting more
We cheered Wynonna and Tony, D J and Cheryl
Aly and Mark gave the super fast dance a whirl
The show was jazz-jazz-jazzy, snaz-snaz-snazzy
The ballroom dazz-dazz-dazzley, razz-ma-taz-tazzy
Come back to the ballroom with me Monday night
For a toe-tapping, knee-slapping dancing delight!
Written By Lois A Troutman, March 29, 2013
WE HAD A JAZZY, SNAZZY, RAZZ-MA-TAZZY SHOW ON MONDAY NIGHT!
THE BALLROOM WAS A SUPERCALIFRAGILISTEXPEALADOSCIOUS SIGHT!
I am amazed that that happened but three things annoyed me:
1) The bottom three being two new pros and Sharna (I don’t view her as a new pro….I view her as someone who the viewers should know by now) was a bit of a surprise. Do not think Andy was in jeopardy (From what I heard and saw he actually is probably going to be a fan fav…..good for him 🙂 but Victor should have been in the bottom no doubt but D.L. should have been there instead of Lisa. She has much more potential than D.L. I think.
2)Josh Groban singing was amazing. The dance was great but just watching Chelsie made me see the major difference between her and Lindsay. I really wish she was paired with Victor instead.
3)The introduction to the new dancers was great but the first group pro/troupe dance was too short in my opinion.
Hey, Mods! Sorry, for getting the Chelsie conversations up again. At least something positive did come out of it. The SYTYCD and DWTS posts. Brings up my next question. If SYTYCD being on Fox a network that is suppose to be ABC’s competition. Is somewhat of a issue. Why did they bring Kellie Pickler in when she was On American Idol. Not SYTYCD. Mods know how I love to be a troll. All professional dancers have strengths and weaknesses. It’s easy to down play the Tristan’s, Tony’s, Louis, Anna’s, and Chelsie’s. Because of their fan base. Or so called lack of teaching skills. I have a cousin whose three daughters are into dancing competitions. And dancing in productions of some sort. The oldest teaches choreography, works two jobs. And even continues to take dance lessons to improve her skills. It’s how they continue to grow not just as teachers, but, as professional dancers. The posters here have mentioned fan bases of the pros being a issue. If any of those large fan base pros were to leave. IMO why would they take the risk of bringing in a bunch of new pros. When they have veterans with larger fan bases. Who could end up winning the other veterans fan bases over. The Cannon fodders I guess that in relation to the pros. Would be the 5 pros that I named. We can include Val in that mix. Of the six not 5. Tony is the only one who has won a MBT. Look who him and Melissa beat out. I’m still puzzled by that win. Because Derek has the much larger fan base over Tony. If the show was about the dancing. Shawn out did Melissa. But, not every body ends up liking those that were on the Bachelor, or Bachelorette. The more the eliminations don’t make sense to any of us. The more I think of PH’s 4 piece letters to the producers. Made more sense to me. You may not like me for having been a troll on this website. And defending someone like Chelsie. But, that woman is still young. She’s got a lot of years left in her professionally. With her there is time to grow. And by now she is probably looking at Kym, Anna, and Karina as mentors. She’s danced in a lot of dances. Not just that design a dance with Tristan. Where she was in company with the male pros that came before her. Your not going to learn to be a better teacher by being paired up with celebrities. If fan bases were a issue it comes down to who you are paired up with. My pick is Zendaya and Val this season. Her fan base is much larger than Roshon’s was. Derek had a bad partner in season 14. If it was about the dancing. They should have went home a lot earlier than they did. Chelsie and Roshon may have stayed on the bottom however many weeks it was. Did I not read on this post somewhere. That Andy, and Sharna could have been safe and just placed in jeopardy. Yes the judges saved Chelsie and Roshon. They could have sent her packing if she was failing to do her job. Why not take the opportunity to see how well Chelsie could do under the pressure of being in jeopardy like that. In season 11. It was on Bolton’s tour schedule that he had a concert that 3rd Monday. As much as I may not like how Bruno spoke his mind. Everybody was going to vote Chelsie and Michael off either way. The dance I admit was a major train wreck. To pair her up with someone in her age range. With a lot smaller fan base than Roshon’s in season 12. Sit her out in season 13. Pair her up with a Disney kid in season 14. Then pair her up with someone that won a MBT with Julianne. Only to be eliminated by Bristol Palin. Who nobody wanted on the show in the first place. Only for that season to come down to the two finalists being Derek and Shawn VS Tony and Melissa. I’m still stuck on the how. Unless TPTB were using Derek, and Shawn as a cannon fodder. If that was the case, then thank God for those cannon fodders. Because that All-Star season all of the Past champions played their roles perfectly. I like Tristan he seems like a nice guy. But, I would choose Val over him. It’s sad that Dorothy had to step down. I have a lot of respect for her but, that first week impression. I got it was the same as Wynonna. I didn’t see them as that big of a threat. Especially after seeing Jacoby messy dance or not it was entertaining. Kellie was entertaining, even Aly was. Zendaya was they were all better, than Dorothy and Wynonna. Heck even Andy was better than them. I’m more worried about Aly, and Kellie’s fan bases than I am Zendaya’s. If Val can turn Zendaya into that Ballroom dancer, instead of a hip-hop dancer. It’s not going to matter how great of a dance Derek, and Kellie’s jazz dance was. TPTB were already gunning for the younger audience. Most of the young stars have came from Disney. Hate me if you want for defending Chelsie. But, Val is most likely going to have similar problems with Zendaya as Chelsie did with Roshon. The fan base is a huge difference. If the judges scoring is only part of determining the elimination. And the voting is the other part. We are in for a very long season of this show. Now, I’m going to slightly sound like a hypocrite. The Chelsie Clones poster. After re watching the new pros dance. Maybe Chelsie clones based on her first season of being on DWTS. I’m still convinced that the dance she did with Dmitry was her best ever being paired up with any other pro. Lindsay, and Witney may be the new kids. But, they’ve got a ways to go before we can start saying that they are better than Chelsie. I don’t care if they are training with the Ballas’s. To close my post. Why am I liking Val’s dancing style. More than Derek, and Mark’s right now. I may have drilled Gleb and Julian for being another Sasha, and Henry. There is a bendable, and smooth like presence with them. That I don’t see in Mark, and Derek. It makes me think like there are a lot better dancers out there. That are better than them. I’m not getting that wow vibe. With Mark, and Derek like I use to when I started watching the show. It’s like they’ve hit some plateau. Anything Derek throws at us. I’m at a point where it’s expected. He raises the bar so high sometimes. That its very difficult for him to continue to do it throughout a season. Mark is okay but, he’s not Derek.
EPMusic 143. ABC used to show ice skating events like GP events and Nationals up until mid 2000’s which is along the time that DWTS started. NBC barely shows any skating events now. I’m not sure if the USFSA contract with NBC does not skaters appear on other network shows. It would be nice to see ice dancing on performance night of DWTS.
There will probably be a 2014 Winter Olympian on the fall season of DWTS in 2014, and if its an ice dancer like Meryl, that would be one of the biggest ringers ever (lots or ballroom training). Side note, it’s interesting how some SYTYCD alums and some DWTS pros (Louis and Elena and Anna) have done some teaching and choreography for skaters.
Sorry for taking this post off on an ice skating tangent.
Tracy, I am so tempted to delete your entire post. Start putting in breaks for white space. That means hit “enter” on your keyboard.
I can’t be bothered to read what you write otherwise.
Harriett–
I have watched skating since the early 90s, I remember when they aired every event on broadcast tv or ESPN and when professional skating was big and they showed all the pro competitions on tv as well.
I really have enjoyed the skating programs that are choreographed by dancers instead of purely skating choreographers. Benji Schwimmer has done a great job for Jeremy Abbott. I love when single skaters (not just ice dance teams) can handle a dancers choreography. Did you know Meryl & Charlie worked with Alex Wong from SYTYCD on their Giselle short dance from this season?
Sorry if this is too off-topic. I thought since it does mention dancers in it and Dorothy is a skater, that it would be ok!
EPMusic Love the team of Benji and Jeremy especially the Spy short program. I had heard that Alex helped out Meryl and Charlie, but not specifically on what he did to assist them. Even. weaver and poje used Alison for their FD this year. I like these connections. Even Henry wrote a blog on the Free dances of the top ice dancers this year. Maybe Nigel, should get the skaters to perform on SYTYCD. I would love-love to see what Derek could do for an ice dance/pairs team or single skater.