New Twist To The Las Vegas Odds For DWTS 16 Week 3 – What do you think?
“I like to be against the odds.” ~Baseball great Barry Bonds on beating the odds
Sports Bovada has posted their new set of odds for Dancing With The Stars Season 16 Week 3. Sometimes I wonder if they even watch the show as they still have Dorothy Hamill listed and at 7/1 odds to win. 😯 After seeing such an amazing dance from Derek and Kellie Pickler last week, I’m shocked they have Kellie placed at 4th too. Crazy and in no way should Aly be placed at 3rd. I also don’t think Lisa should not be in last place (should’t that go to D.L.?). Andy Dick’s odds should have risen and not lowered too. Take a look and see what you think….
Zendaya Coleman 5/2
Jacoby Jones 4/1
Aly Raisman 9/2
Kellie Pickler 5/1
Dorothy Hamill 7/1
Ingo Rademacher 16/1
Sean Lowe 16/1
Andy Dick 75/1
D.L. Hughley 75/1
Victor Ortiz 75/1
Wynonna Judd 75/1
Lisa Vanderpump 100/1
Last week’s Las Vegas Odds to compare:
Zendaya Coleman 2/1
Aly Raisman 7/2
Kellie Pickler 7/2
Jacoby Jones 5/1
Dorothy Hamill 7/1
Ingo Rademacher 15/1
Sean Lowe 15/1
Andy Dick 50/1
Victor Ortiz 50/1
Lisa Vanderpump 75/1
Wynonna Judd 75/1
D.L. Hughley 100
Also, and for fun, below are the odds from Wynn Las Vegas currently. Unlike last week and versus the set above, I think this set is more realistic…..well, with an exception to Aly being in second. What are they seeing in her that I’m not? 😯
Kellie Pickler Derek Hough 4 TO 1
ALY RAISMAN Mark Ballas 9 TO 2
ZENDAYA COLEMAN Valentin Chmerkovskiy 5 TO 1
JACOBY JONES Karina Smirnoff 6 TO 1
INGO RADEMACHER Kym Johnson 8 TO 1
Wynonna Judd Tony Dovolani 14 TO 1
ANDY DICK Sharna Burgess 20 TO 1
Sean Lowe Peta Murgatroyd 22 TO 1
VICTOR ORTIZ LINDSAY ARNOLD 25 TO 1
D.L. HUGHLEY Cheryl Burke 70 TO 1
Lisa Vanderpump GLEB SAVCHENKO 75 TO 1
So, do the Odds makers have it right or wrong this week and which set do you like better? Let’s get Miss Heidi’s and Courtney’s thoughts and be sure you let us know what you think too in comments.
Courtney: Well…I guess if you sort of combined the two sets of odds, you’d get some semblance of odds that actually make sense! The big head-scratcher for me is why both of them think that Victor has so much better odds than Lisa – ummm hello, both were in the bottom 2, and I’m starting to lean towards Victor being the one that would have gotten the axe had Dorothy not bowed out. Speaking of which – I have to wonder if Dorothy’s exit is going to benefit Aly somewhat, since I thought they might be splitting Olympic votes. Maybe the oddsmakers had the same idea, since Aly is still up there – or maybe they’re witnessing the early stages of pimpage like we are, and know that having TPTB on your side usually helps a couple to stick around. But yeah, guys – maybe remove the lady that LEFT THE COMPETITION THIS WEEK from your list, as it just makes you look…intoxicated. 😯
Heidi: I totally don’t get the Aly thing. She ain’t all that, people. At least, not yet. In terms of dancing, this is between Kellie and Zendaya and overall it’s likely between Jacoby, Zendaya and Kellie with Aly in fourth. And there is still time for someone…Aly, Ingo, Andy…to play spoiler and move into that top three while moving someone else out. So, both set of odds I think have the top 4 correct – and they have it VERY close – but just not in the right order, IMO. I also think that both sets have Sean to high and Andy too low. And WTF with Victor not being low man on the totem poll with Lisa?? Makes no sense. Also…depending on how this next week goes for Jacoby, I may revise my “he’s a sure thing” stance. Unless he starts getting more attention, I may switch it to Zendaya winning this thing, mainly because she’s getting the pimpage AND her fans are batshit crazy. Of course, bsc is a double edged sword – are they spending all their time tweeting and spamming Kellie pics on @DancingABC or are they voting with the same passion. Cuz you don’t win by spamming the competition. You win by voting. I’m not entirely confident that the bulk of her fanbase understands that…or is allowed up past 9 pm. 😀
Here’s the way Aly could win: wow, look how you’ve grown into a dancer this season! You really had to work hard, it didn’t come naturally to you but with that Olympian spirit, you made it happen…And if they get to do their “wow” dances later in the season and Derek and Val and Karina are stuck trying to make the ball room dances stand out against the novelty of jazz and contemporary…
I’m not saying it’s likely but I could see it happening. And I think it’s sure more likely that she would win than any of the other 7 against one of those 3 (Zendaya, Kellie, Jacoby). Especially when people like me vote split because I want those 3 in the finals. I could also see Andy making it to final 4 and not Aly, and also to final 3 but I don’t see him winning if he’s up against a couple other power houses dance wise.
And of course it’s still very early in the season. Hopefully no one else will be taken out or compromised by injury. And there’s still time for a current front runner to self destruct or for someone who isn’t yet considered a front runner to somehow steal peoples hearts…
I’d thought I was the only one who didn’t get Aly. I like her but I feel she is one TPTB want up there and the judges are doing the same (surprise, surprise). Not that I don’t think she is working hard because I believe she is but after last week not sure of her.
I think people forget that Kellie is not a dancer and has no dance experience so in my mind she has a story also and her journey could be awesome – just because she has the best teacher/choreographer (sorry Derek fan) is not her fault.
I do hope Andy sticks around for awhile – I was a skeptic about him being on but am so enjoying him and Sharna.
Bring on Prom Week (ug) hope it works out.
Aly definitely still has a shot, but she is going to have to start making an impact soon. I think its going to be a tough road for her, no matter what ballroom dance she gets, I think its going to be tough for her to out dance kellie & zendaya and to out entertain quite a few cast members. Having that jazz/contemporary card still in marks pocket could definitely help, but it is going to have to be a WOW dance, because if it happens too late in the season, everyone will have their favorites already.
I think that, because of Kellie and Zendaya (and Andy, for that matter) people are ASSUMING that having Jazz or contemporary later is going to be a good thing. Sorry, but no. Their dances were good because they are good dancers and/or they had good to great choreography. Mark can’t just be handed Jazz and “poof!” he gets a dance like Kellie’s or a contemporary like Zendaya’s. It’s never worked that way. Aly has a long way to go before she gets there, IMO.
I really hope jacoby does NOT win this thing he still comes off way to arrogant and rubs me the wrong way. I know this is a dance contest not a personality contest but he’s not the best dancer anyways so…
Mark himself said in an interview that because they have had a Chacha and a Quickstep he still hasn’t gone all out like he does sometimes. I think he plans on playing the safe-card for a while and then later when he gets a Contemporary or Jazz, make a big impact with some “amazing” choreography.
Hopefully if he does create some outstanding number with those dances, Aly will look good, because if she continues to have this “blah” presence that I sense in her dances then it won’t matter which dance they get.. it would still be bland and tasteless imo.
I think Aly will make it to the finals but I don’t think she’s going to win. A this moment, I think Zendaya pretty much has this in the bag. She’s dancing great, she’s likeable and has a huge fan base. I do believe her teen/tween fans are going to vote for her like crazy. If the TPTB are trying to draw a younger audience what better way to acheive this by having two teens with big fanbases in the finals. I also think Kellie will be in there too. A final with Derek/Mark/Val will be impressive. I want to see that!
Well I am not feeling the Zendaya love, granted, Val is doing a fantastic job with her, but I am not convinced that she will WIN this season.
As much as it pains me to say this, I think Jacoby will take home the trophy. I personally don’t care for him, but the Raven fans may pull this off. Donald and Hines had the complete package and I loved them immediately, but Jacoby doesn’t measure up to either of them in my eyes, not even close.
I hope Jacoby wins! Yes i do! He’s so funny! I luv him and Karina! Some people thinks he’s cocky and arrogant but he’s not! Go JACOBY JONES!
i dont think anyone has this in the bag, but i do think Jacoby is the only lock for the finals. He’s a footballer, has karina, has personality, and is the only guy to make an impact (there is andy but i dont think his dance skills or fanbase will take him near the finals).
Mark says a lot of things that aren’t necessarily true or that don’t work out the way he says. Just saying. I think he’s making a mistake. Right now, he can’t afford to play it safe with Aly because by the time he makes his move everyone is going to be all about Kellie, Zendaya, Jacoby and Andy. It may be too little, too late.
Zendaya does NOT have this in the bag. I think she has a shot, but I don’t think anyone has it in the bag just yet. People thought Shawn had it in the bag as well.
I’m still not convinced that Zendaya is actually getting the VOTES, per se. Sure, she managed to win the encore, but that was based entirely off of Twitter, and it takes one swipe of the finger for one Zendaya fan to retweet another. Voting? That takes quite a bit more time, effort, and commitment…and the show is still doing pretty crummy in the 18-34 demographic, so I doubt there’s been a sudden surge of youngin’s tuning in just because of Zendaya. I’ll eat crow if she happens to overcome some huge deficit and stick around, proving that she’s getting the votes, but right now I think a lot of what we’re seeing is just hype: some young, enthusiastic Zendaya fans just flooding social media and spreading the gospel of Zendaya.
#5— When Emmitt, Hines, and Donald won, they were not the best dancers AT ALL. Mario was better than Emmitt, Chelsea and Ralph were better than Hines, and Katherine totally out-shined Donald. However, the Cowboys, Steelers, and Packers are much more popular than the Ravens—bigger markets. I think if Hines or Donald were in this season and went into a “twitter contest for the encore” against Zendaya, they win. Jacoby did not pass her in twitter votes.
Also, unless they realize we have been catching on to them, it is interesting that Jacoby (NFL Star) was not saved in the first “round”. Same with Kellie, and even Zendaya.
After what happened last season, I think people don’t want Derek or a footballer hoisting that trophy again, and will voted AGAINST them rather than IN FAVOR of someone else. I think Maks being off helps Val immensely. There’ll be no vote splitting between Maks, Val, and even Peta (MC’s fans helped Peta when with Donald). Although, IF TPTB THINK we want to see bad dancing and someone with a great journey win, then it wouldn’t make sense to pimp Zendaya. Sean & Ingo, yes. Even Aly, “she’s had to overcome comparisions to Shawn”…yada yada”.
Sorry…didn’t see #11 & #12 as I typed.
i dont get why people think zendaya would affect the 18-49 demographic, her show and majority of her fans are like the 5-14 demo.. IF the show wanted to improve the coveted 18-49 demo, kellie & jacoby play way better to that audience.
I think the top 4 are right, but I think Aly (at this stage at least) is listed too high. She hasn’t wowed enough yet. Also, I would think Aly and Zendaya would be splitting young fans.
I don’t get that some people are so sure that Jacoby will win just because he is a football player. He does not have the personal fan base or team fanbase that previous football player winners have come in with. The Ravens are not remotely as popular nationwide as the Packers and Steelers are (although I’d love for Ravens fans to prove me wrong).I’m enjoying Jacoby’s performances so far and I’m a big Karina fan and I’d love her to win again, so I’m not saying this because I don’t like him or anything. I just don’t think it’s the lock some people are assuming.
I think he has the fanbase to get to the finals IF he is at least decent at ballroom (which three weeks in we’re still apparently not going to see from him since he has rumba). It’s the actual winning that I don’t think he has the fanbase for YET. Now, if he continues to grow as a dancer, doesn’t put his foot in his mouth on air in a really bad way (a big if) he MAY be able to win with the combination of the football fan base and people who didn’t know who we was beforehand being impressed with his journey. But it’s way too soon to predict if that’s possible.
Given her twitter followers being so rabid, Zendaya may be able to win this thing. But that’s only if they actually vote (they don’t seem to be actually watching since the show’s young demographic is abysmal, but you don’t have to actually watch to vote.)If they do the twitter vote for encore dance every week and she wins every week I can see that causing a voter backlash that could hurt her. I know that will really piss me off. I would have rather seen Jacoby, Kellie or even Andy’s dance again this past week before hers. I’m not convinced she has this in the bag any more than I’m convinced Jacoby does. I think it’s still pretty open at this point.
Sheery, sheery, sheery, sheery, sheery…you just spouted so much illogical nonsense in one post that my brain literally hurts, thinking about all the hackneyed and oft-disproven myths you had to buy into in order to arrive at those conclusions.
First of all, I love how everyone suddenly fancies themselves an expert on the fanbases of various NFL teams – and it’s not just you, sheery, so don’t take this personally. I don’t for one minute think that what team a certain NFL has played for has a significant impact on their odds of winning on DWTS – I think NFL players IN GENERAL just have better odds of winning than the average celeb, since football is such an American institution and there are players from just about every team that are household names, and athletes almost always have an edge over non-athletes. I may be a Colts fan, but that doesn’t mean I am totally clueless about players on other teams – and it doesn’t mean that I’d refuse to vote for a player from another team on DWTS. More often than not, I can’t stand the Steelers – but I did throw Hines some votes when he was on DWTS. You’re also playing into the assumption that these players are bringing in TONS of outside voters that wouldn’t normally tune in & vote – Heidi and I have repeated over, and over, and over again that it’s the average, regular DWTS viewer that determines who wins…not a bunch of Steelers/Packers/Cowboys/etc. fans that tune in for one season and maybe throw a few phone votes to a certain contestant, thinking that it makes a huge impact. You need Jane Doe middle-aged housewife on your side if you want to win – and what so many people conveniently disregard in their “well this team has a bigger fanbase than this team” soapboxing is that winners like Hines, Donald, & Emmitt were also just LIKEABLE guys that managed to win people over during their season. Were they the best dancers? No, but I’d rather vote for a decent dancer with a magnetic personality than a great dancer with a stank attitude. And not that it really has anything to do with what I’m trying to say, but I think some of you are grossly underestimating the popularity of the Ravens – in a Forbes ranking of the most lucrative NFL franchises, the Ravens came in at #11 – right below the Packers at #10 and above the Steelers at #14. People also seem to be conveniently forgetting that the Ravens ALSO JUST WON A SUPERBOWL – their name is out there, and they likely gained some bandwagon fans as a result. That’s a precedent we’ve never had on this show: a current Superbowl champion.
You SERIOUSLY think anyone had a hope and a prayer of winning the Twitter encore contest against Zendaya, sheery? Twitter is a social media platform dominated by youth – a bunch of people who are in the right age bracket to be familiar with Zendaya, and have plenty of time on their hands to endlessly tweet & retweet pointless things. Jacoby (or really anyone else) not beating Zendaya in the race for the encore is indicative of absolutely NOTHING, except that there are wayyyy too many kids messing around on Twitter when they should be in bed or doing their homework.
And really, you’re going to try to say that because Jacoby “wasn’t saved first”, that it’s somehow “interesting”? Not really – we don’t really have any proof that being saved first means ANYTHING, and Heidi has often opined that being saved first just means that TPTB don’t feel like they need to rally people to vote for you…I don’t think that’s necessarily indicative of how many votes someone is getting. Jacoby could be getting tons of votes, and TPTB may want that to continue…so maybe they don’t give the impression that he’s sitting pretty. If anything, being put “in jeopardy” often means more than being saved first…and Heidi’s working on a post that examines it.
You’re making a slew of assumptions about the motivations of Maks and Val fans that just makes me roll my eyes. You really think Donald & Peta benefitted immensely due to Maks encouraging his fans to vote for them? I think they benefitted immensely from Donald just being a likeable guy. And you really thought there was a ton of vote splitting going on between the C brothers? Doubt it – I find that most of the Chmerkovskiy fans we’ve encountered are smart enough to know that doesn’t work. And as for TPTB – they don’t think about anything other than the ratings, and they’ve proven time and again that they’re desperate for that young demographic…and if they think that Zendaya is going to be the key to finally capturing it, they’re gonna do whatever they can to ensure she sticks around, “journey” or not.
Ok, maybe saying Zendaya has this in the bag was a bit presumptuous especially after what happen to Shawn last season. But I still feel she will make it to the finals…I do like the Wynn Las Vegas odds, they have Kellie and Derek in first. I am seriously impressed with Kellie! I think Andy could go a little higher though.
Isn’t it possible that the TPTB leave celebs like Kelly, Zendaya and Jacoby to be called safe later in the show to keep more viewers watching. I for one turn the channel as soon as I know my favorite is safe. Maybe thats what they want to avoid.
I remember Chelsea trending a lot on twitter her season and we know the had some wtf cha cha to get her to the finals.
I do think Zendaya’s fanbase is stronger though than last Disney stars. Just a matter of how big. I also think Aly, while dance wise not really impressive, she will go far on her fan base. Win? Not sure but it does seem like tptb is invested in her and wanting her to go far.
It does seem like people forget Kellie is not a dancer. She is impressive and her backstory and all, she is a great story. Kellie, Jacoby and Andy are my faves because I am impressed by their dancing and I like their stories so far.
@Melissa
We have the same favorites. I also really like Zendaya and Aly but Kellie, Jacoby and Andy are one step above them right now.
I think Zendaya will win it so I agree with Sports Bravo there. She’s not only extremely talented but her likability factor seems higher than the previous dancers she’s being compared to IMO. Plus, she has Val who is on fire this season. I think the other finals spots are up for grabs at this point between Aly, Kellie and Jacoby. Maybe we’re in for a surprise, but it seems like a very predictable season.
Thank you, Courtney – Sheery was making my brain hurt as well.
I bet you think that Derek fans vote for Mark after Derek is eliminate and vice versa, dontcha sheery? Nope. I voted for Katherine, but that was a first. I generally don’t vote once Derek is off, which is, incidentally, one of the reasons why I was praying Derek was done with this damn show.
Val is on fire?? He’s done TWO whole dances. Let’s see how he does over the next few weeks.
It’s easy to give the impression that you’re on fire when you have a whole pile of nice, dry kindling to work with. 😉
I definately don’t think at this point anyone has it “in the bag”. And though I don’t believe in a Disney curse per se, I honestly still can’t believe that Chelsie Kane finished BEHIND Kirstie Alley!! I mean not only did she have less talent, but I found her humor to be too crude and tasteless for what I consider a family show. But there again is proof that many people don’t vote for the best dancer, just their favorite celeb. Hence this is why I’m sure we will still have to watch Wynonna for longer than I would care to.
Cidra, of course it’s to Val’s advantage to have a professional dance partner, but my point was he isn’t wasting a drop. I loved the way he choreographed the two dances they did.
Cidra, are you a writer? You have such a way with words, you crack me up.
No, jess, I’m not a writer; but every now and then I can pull out a phrase or two.
There should be a collection of Cidra-isms somewhere. One of my favorites this season is the Noah’s Ark comment.
I agree Jess, Cidra has such a creative use of words. I love reading her comments. 🙂
Well we know who is a lock for prom queen this week…because it is again a Twitter war…and Zendaya will win that hands down and will get extra points because of it…I don’t like that…so what I don’t get is, is the celeb partner then like Val the King…or do they choose one female and one male…and if so…do they dance together or do they just get points…sheesh it makes my head hurt…I think there is a possibility that the younger kids will vote via twitter and even abc…but do they have multiple accounts and will they use the phones etc. I just am unsure how it all will work. Oh well, it is another weird season I guess.
Yeah, TPTB might just as well have said “We’re going to give Zendaya a couple of extra points this week. Oh, and one of the guys too, based on twitter traffic.”… They’ve reached a new level of cray-cray…
Boy, they sure want to make sure that Zendaya keeps those youngsters around, don’t they? Too bad it’s not working, according to the ratings.
What it will do is make sure that Zendaya spends extra time in front of the audience for the second week in a row. And the more time one gets in front of an audience, the more likely people are going to be brainwashed into voting for her. People vote for the underdog, but they also like to vote for a winner.
Don’t you think the audience might get a wee bit tired of seeing Zendaya week after week always getting the perks?? It would make me think that she doesn’t need the votes, so I wouldn’t send one vote her way.
I liked it better when all cast members had a chance to do an encore number over the season.
Cheese please? 🙂
It does seem more pimping for Zendaya and her fanbase. I already pick her and Andy winning. Zendaya fans already tweet and it sounds like she will have a dedication to her grandma as well.
Well, from recent memory. I know that they really pimped out Chelsea Kane and William, and both of them only placed third. So maybe, the pimping of Zendaya could backfire.
I know I get tired of things that are overexposed. Maybe one of the mods could expand on this.
While Kellie perhaps should have higher odds, I don’t think it’s crazy and unreasonable for Aly to be in third…after all, she and Mark are the third-highest scoring couple so far, they showed improvement on their second dance, and she still has a good-sized fanbase coming into the competition.
Well, can I just say something about the whole twitter/Zendaya getting the encore, I think the only reason the got the encore was because they were pretty much begging fans to tweet #encorezendaya, Val and Zendaya made sure they would keep tweeting until they got it treading worldwide, correct me if I am wrong, but besides them I didn’t really see much others begging for the fans to tweet for an encore. If Zendaya hadn’t told her fans to keep tweeting the hashtag I am almost 100% sure Derek and Kellie would have gotten it. Also, about the Aly thing, she is my favorite and I am voting for her, but saying it like it is, as of now she falls no more above than 4th place, with Zendaya, Kellie, and Jacoby finale. Just because I am an Aly and Mark fan doesn’t mean I right away think she will win, this is dwts and you have to look at the reality.
I am not liking Jacoby at all. I don’t know if that will change, time will tell. But right now, I don’t like his attitude at all and I don’t see him as a lock to win. Neither do I care for Zendaya. I agree with Courtney, the kids spending excessive time tweeting is ridiculous and they should be in bed or doing their homework. I don’t think it’s going to help her in the long run. TPTB are going to pimp her and keep her in everyone’s face as much as possible, but I have to believe that at some point, it’s going to stop working. I love to see her dance first, or at least in the first half of the show. I’ve said before and I will say it again. I cringed when I heard Andy Dick was going to be part of the cast, but in just two weeks he has completely changed my opinion of him. I’m enjoying him and Sharna and would love to see him stick around and possibly make it to at least the top four if not higher. Dorothy was my favorite, but with her gone, it is now Kellie and it has nothing to do with who her partner is. I think she has a great attitude and the work ethic needed to do this show, plus, she’s a lot of fun. That’s what this show needs more of. People who agree to do the show and have fun! Not people worrying every week about their scores or the importance of winning. Everyone that signs on has the hope of winning. I know nothing about dancing, I don’t know what the judges are looking for. I look to Courtney, Heidi and Vogue to explain it every week so I can understand. And they do a fantastic job. When someone dances and it puts a smile on my face or I think, wow, I wish I could do that, that’s when it’s fun. And right now, I only see that from Kellie and Andy and maybe, to a point, Lisa. Aly is too stiff, DL is just terrible, Jacoby and Zendaya do nothing for me, and Sean, Ingo, Victor and Wynona are forgettable. It will be interesting to see what happens this week.
In my opinion, Zendaya’s jive was not all that and a bag of chips, it was quite forgettable if you ask me.
I also liked Zendaya’s jive but agree it was not the most amazing dance. I felt she was not perfect but the judges went on and on amazed. I like Mya’s jive more and felt there were parts Val cleverly choreographed so she did more shimmy/ shaking to rest and not dance all out throughout the dance. Maybe I am comparing it to Shawn’s jive which as Emma pointed out in afterbuzz just had so much choreo and no repeated steps. I do think v waltz will work to Zendaya’s strengths with her lovely lines.
I think Aly is finals bound on fan base, not dance. Maybe why tptb are, IMO, overpraising okay dances as better than they are,
Thank you Jess and Sandy for your kind words. I’m glad you get a kick out of some of my comments.
I got a giggle out of Sandy’s “not all that and a bag of chips” — never heard that one before 😛
Although Zendaya’s not my favorite, I enjoy her dancing and think she’s a talented young woman with a decent attitude. If Val continues to choreograph good routines for her and she delivers, she should be in the finals. What will bug me is if TPTB come up with un-subtle ways to give her extra points each week.
As for the whole “tweet for the encore” idiocy, surely after the 3rd encore performance in a row by Zendaya and Val, the producers will have to rethink their “great new idea”. Having the same couple get the encore every week is boring, and boring TV = bad TV.
I like Zendaya, just not the hype that comes with her. But what gets me is if tptb want Zendaya around so long and want to do all these Twitter contests to shove her down our throats, why don’t they just add Twitter as a way to vote to keep your favorite around another week? I think they should keep the encore the way it was, forget the prom queen/king thing, and have people tweet the hashtag #voteinsertnamehere ifthey want her around for a while so badly.
I have to disagree with the poster who believe Aly & Zendaya split the younger votes. I’m 21, which puts me at the younger end of their key demographic, and age wise I am not that far removed from the people you expect are splitting votes. I had never heard of Zendaya until the cast announcement was made; I’ve known of Aly since Olympic Trials last June. The difference I see in these two? Zendaya is strictly a “Disney Kid” while Aly has the “American Hero” angle from her team & individual medals. Depending which age bracket we’re talking about, I definitely see more of that younger vote going to Aly.
I’m admittedly an Aly fan (although, she wouldn’t have been my first Fierce 5 pick for DWTS, but that’s a moot point), but even I can see the pimping that is beginning to happen. The more I think about it, I think the pimping even began last season when she made her appearance– the only person speaking in Shawn’s package was Aly & she was also a main focus in most of the shots. Also, because I don’t see the split vote thing happening, I think Mark is playing it safe with choreography at this point, so what happened to Shawn last season doesn’t happen to Aly. As soon as people started hearing the judges go off on Derek for not following the rules/throw in any tricks/get super creative, the public started to turn sour (as if they knew what the rules for each dance were). I just hope Mark doesn’t wait to long, and I hope production starts to edit a better package of Aly in rehearsals unless she really is that bland all of the time. I’d love to see a finals of some combination of Aly, Jacoby, Kellie, or Andy.
I think while Mark maybe playing it safe, I also think Aly is not as good as Shawn. But as Anna said on afterbuzz, she is freaking Aly Raisman, Olympian. Dancing and personality dull does not matter. Her fanbase will get her there. I hope not because even bad Jacoby or Kellie dancing would entertain me more.
I don’t believe “the public” turned sour on Derek’s choreo at all. I think dancing had little to do with the outcome last season and the general public didn’t either. Derek is widely regarded as the best choreographer on the show. If mark is trying to avoid what happened to Shawn he’s making a huge mistake. Aly will be an after thought if he doesn’t get moving soon.
PH I definitely agree that the public probably had little to do with the actual outcome, and I definitely agree that Mark needs to turn it up a notch within the next week or two. I do disagree though that they did turn sour on Derek last season. I know it’s not a great representation of the voters, but many boards outside of this site had commenters complaining on and on about “too many tricks” and “Derek breaking the rules,” while not many has issues with all the lifts Melissa did. As a dancer, I thought his choreography was phenomenal, but of course those who probably have no dance knowledge take the judges slamming it for their word and jump on that bandwagon.
Mark has choreographed some beautiful waltzes & Viennese waltzes, so I’m hoping for some better choreography this week.
I think the whole they relied on tricks is where tptb editing and scripting for weeks impacts viewers. Melissa did more tricks than Shawn with her lindy when Shawn had mambo. More lifts in her freestyle and AT than Shawn.
I found Mark’s waltzes just ok. I think his strength was cha cha. But Aly seems better in hold so I am preparing for Zendaya is amazing and Aly is slowly improving storyline.
I don’t think the viewers turned sour on Derek and Shawn’s performances. I think they loved the dances. What they did was buy into the judges’ (TPTBs) line that Derek was “breaking the rules” and that there were too many “gymnastic tricks” in their routines (yeah, right). Since this was a dance competition (since when!?!) Shawn and Derek had to be docked points and punished even though their dancing was great. That propaganda against Shawn and Derek combined with all the shennanigans to ensure Melissa got the right dances and the endless recitation of “poor Tony, he’s such a great guy who’s never had a chance to win the MBT” is what lead to last season’s ridiculous outcome.
Yup, one only has to look at the youtube views to see that their dances were extremely popular – by a wide margin over anyone else.
Leslie, you confuse a few message boards with the “general viewing public” and that’s a big mistake. Particularly if you are referring to the abc boards which are full of trolls and morons.
One only has to look at the youtube views to see which dances were actually popular last season. And Derek/Shawn won that by a mile.
I’ve never seen the ABC boards, so I don’t know what they’re like. I had just seen different comments on different magazine sites as well as some tweets. I know that it could (and probably is) definitely be a whole different demographic posting/tweeting vs. who is actually voting.
I also think I didn’t really state what I meant accurately. I was really just getting at the way Cidra put it; people were quick to buy into what the judges had to say about Shawn & Derek, and their storyline became about “breaking the rules” all the time. People seemed to associate every dance they did with tricks, when there may have been none, so I think some of that turned people off. I will say, their routines are the only ones that I remember from last season; Derek & Shawn definitely accomplished what they wanted.
On another note, I am surprised that Andy’s odds have gone down given the positive response to him. I remember when he was first announced being disappointed and hoping he’d be first to go. Now I’d love to see him stick around a bit. Kudos to Sharna; I think she’s been a great addition to the pros, and I wish she’d been brought on a little sooner. I think she’s a very creative choreographer.
It really chapped my hide how Aly and Mark broke rules in their quickstep, the SAME ones that Shawn and Derek broke last season(breaking hold and a lift) and NOT ONE JUDGE called them out on it, let alone docked points!!!
I didn’t think Zendaya’s jive was all that either! I thought Kellie’s jazz was the best routine of the night! Zendaya’s kicks and flicks just weren’t there and were very weak! that’s probably because she’s so tall so the jive isn’t suited to her. I like Zendaya but this twitter pimpage stuff is turning me off of her quickly! Didn’t think I’d like Andy but I do and the rest of them are pretty forgettable! Jacoby still comes off as very cocky and arrogant and I just can’t seem to like him! In Season 14, once Maria was voted out, I threw my votes to Donald even though I thought Katherine was a better dancer, that ‘back injury’ in the semi-finals turned me off.
As a Ravens fan I am impressed that the team has gone all in with their support of Jacoby on DWTS. They promote voting for him on twitter, facebook, and on the team’s website. He’s also getting tons of support from his current teammates and ex-teammates from the Texans on twitter which will hopefully transfer into more votes, but of course it’s not a sure thing. I know the Ravens don’t have a long history like the Steelers and Packers, but I would not write off the passion and intensity of our fan base.
As for the dancing, I’m hoping to see some improvement from Jacoby in tonight’s performance and he continues to turn doubters into believers.
Cidra said it perfectly when she said: “That propaganda against Shawn and Derek combined with all the shennanigans to ensure Melissa got the right dances and the endless recitation of “poor Tony, he’s such a great guy who’s never had a chance to win the MBT” is what lead to last season’s ridiculous outcome.”
Besides this site I am a member of another site that covers DWTS and it is definitely not the ABC boards, but saw comment after comment last season like Cidra mentioned. Especially, the poor Tony he has never won before and Derek has already won three. I would say that at least 90% of the people on that site were voting for Tony for that very reason. It was Tony never, ever gets a decent partner and finally gets one so I am voting for him. Mind you those are their comments and certainly not mine as I was a Shawn & Derek supporter.
This year the same people are voting for Val and Zendaya. Poor Max is not there and “hot” Val is in and he deserves to win. He has himself a great partner and they like both Val and Zendaya. I have to add that these are definitely not in the younger age category and most of them fall into an age range of 45 and up. There may be a few younger, but certainly not any teens.
That site is not just a DWTS site and covers all tv shows, but I rarely comment on the DWTS thread.
I was so happy to find this site because I learn so much from it. We have great Mods and great people who I am constantly learning from. Just wanted to give an example of what Cidra covered so well in her post.
For all of you who have commented that Zendaya only has the teen base voting…you are wrong! I am eighty years old and all of my friends (including me)are voting for Zendaya! She has the ability and drive along with an infectious smile and unparalled beauty, plus she has good work ethics and pride in herself! Val treats Zendaya with professional mannerisms, pride and they are both dedicated and a hard working team. Go Zendaya!!!!!!
Perfectlyaged – please point to a post or a person who claimed that Zendaya had “Only” the teen base voting. It hasn’t happened. Hyperbole – look it up.