PureDWTS Season 21, Week 9 – Tamar Braxton Withdraws from DWTS, Cancels Remainder of Tour
Before I begin, please everyone send some love to @Voguerista – her father passed away unexpectedly yesterday, and all of us at Pure have a heavy heart today 🙁 I never had the pleasure of meeting her dad, but to produce someone as benevolent, kind, and hard-working as our little Vogue? He must have been one extraordinary man. 🙂 Prayers to Vogue & her family during this difficult time.
Well, according to Tamar’s Instagram, she is withdrawing from DWTS on the advice of doctors – she’s currently suffering from multiple pulmonary embolisms in her lungs:
First of all, I wish Tamar nothing but the best and I’m sending prayers & positive vibes her way – I lost my aunt to a P.E. 12 years ago, and when Mama Spence was first diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, they were fortunate enough to catch two P.E.’s and stop them in their tracks before they could really cause some damage. They are even MORE serious than pneumonia, as you can die in a matter of minutes if one breaks loose. She is absolutely doing the right thing by withdrawing and cancelling the remainder of her tour dates in order to attend to her health. I vaguely recall her sister Toni suffering from the same affliction several years back before being diagnosed with lupus – P.E.’s can be a symptom, so there may be life-altering consequences for Tamar if she, too, suffers from an autoimmune disease. I can only imagine how scary this must be for her.
All that being said, I can’t help but feel frustrated at the fact that she left the hospital against doctor’s orders on Monday night to come dance (rather lackadaisically, I might add), made it through to next week, and Alexa got sent home…only to have Tamar turn around and withdraw about 24 hours later. Not only was she seriously endangering her life by dancing (think about what could have happened if one of those clots broke loose on live tv), but had she withdrawn on Monday – Alexa might still be with us. And while I’ve seen some on Twitter already entertaining the notion of Alexa returning, I just don’t see how they could – when she was voted off, they shut down her voting number. My guess is that they will either not eliminate anyone on Monday, let all 4 remaining couples into the finale, and combine the totals from weeks 10 & 11 to determine the winner; or opt for a 3 person finale and eliminate one more couple. But who knows…
What do you guys think?
Sending love to vouge!!!
I’m frustrated too. I wish Alexa could be given A second chance!
Dear Vogue, I’m so sorry for the loss of your father. Having lost my mom at age 63 I know how hard and life altering it is to lose a parent. Please know that you and your family are in my prayers.
Sending prayers and a whole lot of love to Vogue. <3
As for Tamar, she is definitely doing the right thing. Her health comes first and that's all that matters.
Now I would love it if they could bring back Alexa, but I highly doubt they will.
For me, I'd rather them just have the finale next week. Forget the trios.. let's just have the freestyles. But obviously that isn't gonna happen and it's kind of impossible. This season (as much as I have loved the cast and all) has just been giving me various moments of frustration and I'm ready for it to be done.
Looking forward to seeing how they're gonna go about all of this..
Thoughts and prayers to Vogue!
Oh, man. I wonder if this will change something in the rules with regards to needing to go to the hospital and being back, etc. Don’t want to think about what would’ve happened if a clot broke loose on national tv. The show’s lawyers are probably sweating it right now.
Vogue, sending nothing but positive vibes to you! We all appreciate you so much and you have our full support.
Ugh…While I think that it was the right decision for Tamar to withdraw, I just wish she would do it on Monday night, because then Alexa would still be with us and after the scores she got this week… she could make the finals. So frustrating, ugh.
I’m glad Tamar withdrew cause that’s nothing to mess around about but she should’ve done it on Monday. The way she was breathing after her dance I was thinking she was gonna faint.
I think the only way to make it fair to everyone if they bring Alexa back (apparently it’s been done in season 3 but that was many many moons ago) is do a double elimination on the Monday of the finals
I had a DVT in my left leg that turned into a pulmonary embolism in my right lung four years ago. Getting that diagnosis in the emergency room was stomach dropping to the floor scary. You own fragile mortality hits you like a speeding truck.
I wish Tamar a successful recovery.
Now comes the venting part. The only way a PE can be diagnosed is through a cat scan. At least that’s how they diagnosed mine. What I would like to know, is when did they make the diagnosis of PE in Tamar? Was it before she checked out of the hospital Monday night or after? If it was after, was that because she decided to race back to the studio before they had time to do the CT scan?
This woman is damn lucky the clots didn’t break lose and travel to her heart or brain, both of which are fatal. When I was diagnosed they didn’t let me move around in the hospital except to go to the bathroom for the first four days.
I’m completely dumbfounded that Tamar left the ER to return and dance in the show Monday night.
The show needs to tighten up their policy on this sort of thing. All the needed diagnostic tests need to be done and cleared before any celeb is allowed to dance. Even if they miss dancing on a particular week’s show. Now looking back, I’m really sickened at how the show milked the drama of “Where is Tamar and will she dance?”.
Sorry for the long rant.
That’d be good Tina but I don’t think it’ll happen. If it does would just the scores from this week be carried over and not the votes?
SO sorry for your loss Vogue…may he RIP :'(
When one leaves the hospital against medical advice, which Tamar clearly states that she did, one’s insurance WILL NOT pay the hospital bill…so yeah, a hospital is not a prison,you can check out before a Dr releases you but you’re stuck footing the ENTIRE bill.
Tamar HAD to have known she had blood clots on Monday before she returned to dance. I’m sure they ran every test on her while she was there. Blood clots ARE way more serious than pneumonia and one of those clots could’ve broke free and KILLED her instantly on live tv…so why TPTB let her dance on Monday is beyond me.
Basically, Alexa got screwed by that.
All good wishes to Tamar for a complete recovery.
It looks to me like this was probably a much-needed wake-up call for Tamar. I think she probably is quite head strong, and considers that a positive attribute. In this case, it could have killed her. Returning to dance was both an extremely selfish AND self-destructive thing to do. Certainly in the context of being the mother of a small boy, she had no business putting herself at such risk for a reality tv show.
The timing (with regards to Alexa) seems most unfortunate, but the chance for Alexa to continue on from the “high” of Monday night is gone. There is, sadly, no way to go back and recapture that and then move forward. If I were Alexa, I would look for how this is happening “for” me instead of “to” me.
Vogue – my heart goes out to you. Losing a parent is hard enough, but when it comes out of no where it’s even more difficult. Sending lots of love and positive vibes to you and your family!
I’m sure the rules have changed since then, but back in season 3 when Sara Evans withdrew, Willa Ford got asked to return to the competition. She said no.
Er no, Susan2. There are other ways to diagnose a PE than a CT scan. Like blood tests, V/Q scan..pulmonary angiography to name a few. a CT scan IS the least invasive.
Speaking of blood clots, I thought I had a DVT…blood clot in my lower leg earlier this summer as I awoke to one leg being swollen and the other one wasn’t also some mild pain.I went to my local ER and had an ultrasound done…luckily it was negative. I’m an RN of 18+ years with 12 of that being in the critical care/ICU area so I do know of what I speak 😉
Kelly, I didn’t know that about insurance refusing to foot the bill if you’re not cleared to be released. That makes a lot of sense actually.
Kelly, the DVT in my leg was diagnosed by ultrasound. They immediate whisked me to the ER where they did a CT to check for PE.
I’m going to ask you since you’re a nurse, what the procedure would be for someone like Tamar who comes into the ER showing signs of respiratory distress. What diagnostic tests would they do?
Thoughts and prayers Vogue for your loss.
My late husband developed blood clots in his legs during his cancer battle ordeal. He was already weakened severely from the cancer. He was ordered to complete bed rest for two weeks I think it was in the hopes the clots would not travel further. He was put on Coumidin and had shots of Lovenox for a period of five days if I remember correctly. I’m not sure they ever cleared up completely because there was so much wrong with him otherwise. But, they weren’t the cause of his death.
Many prayers and thoughts for Tamar and her recovery.
Dear Vogue,
I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my Dad suddenly when I was very young. No matter the age we still feel the shock and pain.
Please know my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Love,
Lynn
WELL, first they take vitals…check her pulse oximetry, which shows how well her heart is oxygenating her blood..likely give her some supplemental oxygen to help her breathe easier…she may or may not have had wheezes in her lungs so they might have given her a breathing treatment to open up her lings….then they’d do a chest xray..to see if there’s anything like pneumonia going on…then an arterial blood gas which gives a better picture of how well her body is being oxygenated…if they STILL can’t find anything, then a CT Scan, which should show a blood clot…or aV/Q scan, which shows how well her body is being ventilated and perfused(with oxygen rich blood).
She’s been diagnosed with a blood clot…which can be caused by extended use of birth control pills/hormonal contraceptives. Like Depo-Provera shots. I worked with a respiratory therapist at my last hospital who got PE’s likely caused by her Depo shots. In the hospital, we use heparin drips to thin the blood..with frequent blood draws to get the blood thin enough…..then work to getting the patient on coumadin as Lois mentioned above…until the blood levels (INR) are in the therapeutic range for coumadin, we stop the heparin drip and then discharge the patient on Coumadin. OR some Dr’s like Lovenox injections…also a blood thinner like heparin that prevents the blood from clotting.
Sending thoughts and prayers to Vogue.
I hope Tamar gets well soon, but I too feel sad and frustrated for Alexa. I feel confused as to why the hospital let Tamar leave, unless she left AMA. They have to of done the test for the clots. (At least the hospitals around where I live have done them on a few friends with similar issues.)
I wonder if they will have a 3 person finale now or if the will not eliminate someone on Monday.
Sending my Thoughts and prayers to vogue! Feel bad for Tamar BUT I still have Alexa in the back of my mind becuase that elimination could have been avoided and she could have been healing that night but instead got selfish.
Thoughts, prayers and blessings to Voguerista. Take care of yourself and get well soon, Tamar.
So sorry for your loss, Vogue.
Kelly, it’s not true that insurance won’t pay if a patient leaves AMA.
My sincere condolences to Voguerista and her family on the loss of a loved one. I know only time will bring a balm to their souls but my thoughts are with her.
Just over a year ago. I was taken to the emergency room. I thought that I had a severe respiratory virus of some kind. The experts thought otherwise despite my not having any of the first symptoms typical of blood clots. They took a CAT scan as soon as it could be arranged and everyone who saw the results has said how amazed they were that I’m alive with the extent of the blood clots in both of my lungs. I not only was put on complete bed rest in the hospital, not allowed out at all, but I ended up having emergency surgery 2 days later to deliver a clot buster drug directly into my lungs. All I can think is, Tamar removed herself from the hospital before they had a chance to do tests, or she was at a crummy hospital! Perhaps she actually went to a redi-care type of place and they said she should go to a hospital which she chose to do after DWTS.
I agree Vin. Tamar was very selfish in not withdrawing on Monday. Girl coulda dropped dead on national tv. Instead, she screwed over Alexa, who, IMHO was a MUCH better dancer since she had connection to her partner whereas Tamar did not.
She’s got a child and husband to think about. A plastic disco ball should’ve been the LAST thing on her mind. I find it hard to believe that she didn’t know she had blood clots before she left that ER on Monday. If the chest xray didn’t show pneumonia, they’d have done a CT scan..which would’ve likely shown the blood clots in her lungs.
Vogue, I am so sorry for your loss. You and your loved ones are in my prayers in this extremely sad moment. Hugs!
Well mantrix. EVERYTHING that I was ever told by the QI reps at the several different hospitals that I have worked in my 18 year career as an RN, is that if you leave AMA, your insurance won’t foot the bill.. If you’re on Medicaid, they’ll pay…but private insurance companies likely will not. Don’t know where you got your info from.
Vogue I am really sorry for your loss and keeping you and your family in prayers I am really sorry to hear this today sending you and your family lots of love.
Really hope Tamar gets well soon that’s no joke and that was a huge risk they took not sure why they had to bring her in like tat. I am not sure why I feel that may b Val or Rob just said her to be ter on the show and just do a few steps so that she would not get disqualified they probably had no idea it was going to be that serious but that was a very risky thing they did if it went down that way.
I agree with Court on bringing Alexa back. I dont think that will work so close to the finale coz the voting number got shut down and say they bring her in and dont do elimination but do a double elm next week by carrying scores and votes from this week still Alexa will have a big margin to cover.
This ssn has been a total rollercoster for the producers not everything is working the way they wanted.
Love and sympathy to Vogue – it’s never easy to lose someone, and it’s worse when it’s unexpected – my heart goes out to you and your family…
Thoughts and prayers to Voguerist and family.
I found Mon really disgusting. IT was like the show was gleeful about getting to have an episode where maybe someone would come running in Direct from the hospital just in time to dance because their “competition” is so important. I was disappointed Tamar played into that hand. It was so dumb and off putting. Now with this new info I hope they realize it was much worse than just being a turn off to viewers but really dangerous too. In future, IMO, not able to be at show means off show. Simple really. Alexa should never have been eliminated in the first place given that Tamar even if it had been pneumonia couldn’t have properly prepared the next week. Sooooo many fails by production in this situation. Def a jump the shark moment for me with dwts.
I’m confused as to why Tamar was even allowed to dance on Monday night. In the past whenever people have had health issues or injuries they always talked about them being cleared by a doctor to dance or not cleared to dance. Is it not a rule that they must have clearance after they’ve seen a doctor for a medical issue? If it is a rule then why did they let Tamar dance on Monday night because doctors clearly wanted her to stay put and not dance. She literally could have dropped to the ground and died on live television. I’m sure the lawyers are going nuts right now writing up some new rules if there isn’t one on the books that should have prevented Tamar from dancing.
Sweet Vogue, Hugs and heartfelt sympathy on the loss of your dear Dad. I hope you can feel the wave of love your friends at Pure are sending out to you and that it gives you some comfort.
My father passed away completely unexpectedly 3 years ago. So I believe I can somewhat relate to the shock you’re probably feeling right now.
I am pray that Tamara is feeling better
and that she getting the best medical care
Blood clot are nothing to mess with
And to add to Tartar comments about
” being the best dancer in the competition ”
Alexa is a much better dancer
So is Bindi Irwin
God speed for Tamar
Vogue:
My deepest sympathy, lost my father 3 1/2 years ago. 6 months later my mom, which was unexpected. You never get over it! I am sure you have lots of support including here always.
First, condolences to Vogue and her family. In my thoughts and prayers.
I also wish and pray for Tamar’s recovery. And I will miss her dancing. I’m just wondering if the TPTB somehow held it over Tamar that Nick would be penalized if she didn’t dance the duet. That was just mishandled for live TV drama on Monday and it stinks.
Also wish that Alexa could return. What can we do to support that? Twitter? Email?
A blood test won’t show or confirm a PE, but the d-dimer test will show the levels of blood clotting substance in the body – just one piece of the puzzle in determining the problem. Additionally, they’ll test for inherited clotting factors to see if there’s a propensity for them. But a PE would NOT be the diagnosis without further tests like CT, pulmonary angiogram, etc. So Tamar could have gotten blood taken without knowing what the problem was.
I’m guessing what happened is she got to the hospital, had blood taken, didn’t want to quit and just thought she had a bad case of bronchitis or something. When we don’t want to lose out on something or are ridiculously stubborn, we can rationalize a lot.
I had a similar experience a week and a half ago. Woke up with severe tightening and pain all over my chest and back, my hands went numb, had cold sweats, threw up suddenly, felt dizzy – I should have been in the ER instantly, but it was a huge day at work so I just laid down for a few hours. Started back at work late in the morning and my boss made me take the day off and go to the doctor. Turns out to be pericarditis (swelling of the heart sack – relatively benign but scary). But had it been something more serious like a heart attack or clot? That was absolutely dumb of me not to go to the hospital immediately. So I kind of empathize with Tamar, even though I know what the right thing WOULD have been to do.
Oh and even though I didn’t want to take the day off, guess who gets fired on the following Monday? Yep. We won’t get into the legality of what I’m pursuing. But yeah. Just goes to show what I was willing to die for, and what they were willing to do for me.
In the end, it really really sucks that Alexa got kicked off (especially because she’s one of my favorites) when good sense would have made Tamar do the right thing and take care of herself, but what’s done is done and I’m glad that she’s getting the proper treatment now. Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call for priorities. I know mine was.
Also <3 <3 <3 <3 to Vogue. So sorry. <3 <3 <3 <3
Oh Vogue, I’m sending you so much love right now. I just saw this very sad news, I’m so sorry for your loss. I completely agree with Court, your Dad must be some kind of wonderful to have such an amazing daughter. Hugs!
First off, my thoughts are with Vogue and her family during this difficult time.
As much as I don’t like Tamar, I don’t think bringing Alexa back is fair at all. The elimination on Monday was determined by Week 8. Tamar beat her in Week 8, period. Alexa had an amazing night on Monday, no question. And I really enjoyed watching her, but that doesn’t change the fact that she was the one going home.
If Tamar had withdrawn Monday, then she would’ve been throwing Alexa a bone. Agreed, Tamar had to have known on Monday that she couldn’t contuinue and the classy thing to have done would’ve been to withdraw then. But what’s done is done. Phone lines are closed and online voting is over. You can’t go back in time and open up voting for one contestant. This huge mess falls on the show ultimately. They handled this extremely poorly, but to allow Alexa back in would be unfair to the other contestants that survived elimination based on Week 8.
If Alexa hadn’t had a perfect night on Monday, I don’t think people would be as vocal about bringing her back. Hindsight is 20/20 and it’s a shame people didn’t want to save her when it mattered. I would’ve much rather seen Alex continue on than Tamar or Carlos for that matter, but the drama on this show seemed more important to producers than doing the right thing.
I’m also hoping that there is no elimination on Monday. When Kim left, there was no elimination and that should be the same procedure for next Monday. However, I doubt that they will announce the elimination status until live during the show on Monday’s show.
So very sorry for your loss, Vogue. Sending prayers to you and your family.
I can’t imagine how frightening it must be to get a diagnosis of PE’s and I’m glad that Tamar is receiving the medical attention she needs. I truly hope that she is feeling better soon.
That being said, I think this is the situation that most who were frustrated by Tamar’s decision to dance on Monday were worried could happen. Tamar took such a huge risk on Monday, even bigger than was originally thought and I shudder to think of what could have happened (thankful that nothing did). Tamar risked her life on Monday and, as it turns out, to only have to leave the show anyway. Would Alexa have been eliminated even if Tamar had been able to dance fully? Of course, it’s possible but had Tamar not danced and been disqualified, Alexa would have been able to compete one more week, and after the night she had, who knows what could have happened. I still don’t think that Alexa would have the votes to win but seeing how much she was improving, both in confidence and dancing, I’m sad that we likely won’t get to see what else she could have done, even if just for one more week. What a sad, frustrating situation for everyone.
As much as it would be awesome to see Alexa come back, I agree with others that I don’t think that will happen. I think the most likely scenario would be a switch from a four person to a three person final – that seems to be the most fair decision all around (though why I’m thinking this show will ever just do what is fair is baffling, even to me). If that is the switch though, I’m hoping that they fill the air time with a pro number or performance of some kind – please don’t give the finalists one more last minute, nothing but stress inducing number that they’ll have to learn in one hour with no music and in a style never seen before.
Boy are people stupid…not here but I’m reading how Tamar was selfless in dancing on Monday. Err no. She was extremely stupid & selfISH!! It’s a dancing show. This was a life or death matter & Tamar put herself at great risk of dying & leaving her son motherless & her husband a widow….smh. No wonder we have prisons at capacity. Teh stoopid, it hurts.
I agree that it was selfish of Tamar to dance the duet dance Monday night.
I don’t buy that she didn’t want to let Nick, Sharna and Val down. If Jenna had danced in Tamar’s place, I think the dance would have looked a lot better than it did. That dance became all about Tamar and her obvious health distress. Nick became sort of an afterthought.
What I want to know is, if the producers were so happy with the drama of it all, that they didn’t bother to check with Tamar or her people to see if she was medically cleared to dance that night.
It seemed like things were happening so fast and so haphazardly that little things like medical clearance and responsibility slipped through the cracks.
Vogue – Thoughts and prayers to you and your family. So sorry to hear of the loss of your father.
Get Well soon Tamar.
What would be such a bad thing if they brought Alexa back and scratched the previous votes? They could either a)base it off the scores from last week or b)just have another voting day and have those votes count instead. DWTS360 on Twitter noted that Willa Ford was asked to come back when someone withdrew in an earlier season but she turned it down. I’m sure the rules haven’t changed that much. I’d love to see what happens. It’s only Wednesday so she could still learn two dances by Monday.
What a mess!
First off and most important is I wish Tamar the best and hope she gets better.
Second, what a mess!
What was the show thinking allowing her to dance? She was clearly labored in her breathing! And why didn’t anyone stop and ask if it was a bad idea even continue on. How was she going to even be able to practice this week had continued on. No one at the show wondered how that would be possible? The doctors told her no and she still went? Man they are lucky nothing happened to her out there.
Were the producers so driven to have the husband vs wife elimination drama that they lost control of their good senses?
I am 100% on board with bringing Alexa back especially if Tamar did not get the lowest votes on Monday. They can simply give Alexa Tamar’s spot if she made the finals. Yeah she might get voted off again but who cares? She could get 4 more dances and 2 more weeks with Mark. It is absurd to lose 2 strong couples for such an unfortunate reason. Or they can invite Alexa back, have everyone vote on the 5 couples next week and than reveal the results in a quick news break the following night on ABC or online? There are ways to make this work. But seeing the show was so apparently anxious to get rid of Alexa Monday anyways that they let a very ill woman dance I don’t know if they will try to make it work.
I think not bringing her back just makes these final 2 weeks a snooze anyways because the only drama left would be who gets 3rd between Carlos and Alek.
Firstly, condolences to Vogue and family. Sending you warm thoughts.
Can someone explain how TPTB decided that Kim, who didn’t have medical clearance to dance, could not be allowed back on the show until she got that clearance (but it was too late for her to make the flight), yet Tamar, who seemingly also didn’t have medical clearance to dance if she left the hospital against the advice of doctors, was allowed back on the show? The situations seem pretty similar to me. Wouldn’t the show’s lawyers have to see a doc’s medical clearance before allowing Tamar back to dance on Monday?
@MichLee I think we are still going to have a 4 person final.. nobody will leave this week and then they will eliminate someone on the Monday where everyone does the freestyle. If they eliminated someone this Monday, they may as well just go ahead and make next week the finale instead of two weeks from now.
I echo the comments here…First of all, my sympathy to Voguerista. She is always such a lovely person and I am sorry to hear of her dad’s passing 🙁
Secondly – I wish Tamar a speedy recovery but she definitely should’ve withdrawn Monday night and not screw over Alexa. I’m not even an Alexa fan and her time was definitely up in my opinion but I wish there was a way to bring her back!
If Tamar had been eliminated on Monday night, and Alexa had been in the hospital and ultimately withdrawn once voting was over, would people be rallying to bring Tamar back? Probably not.
People seem to forget that Tamar’s departure and Alexa getting voted off had nothing to do with each other. A better judgment call on Tamar’s part could’ve saved Alexa from elimination, but Tamar isn’t the one who put her there. People weren’t voting for Alexa, and now all of a sudden they want to.
TPTB really screwed the pooch with this one, but trying to bring people back that didn’t get the votes is not the way to right this wrong. Tamar decided to appear on the show knowing she was ill, and that was her call. It was selfish, but it’s not what put Alexa in the bottom two.
Love, more love, and prayers to you, Vogue. Peace and strength, too.
This mess falls squarely on the shoulders of TPTB, and their incomprehensible notion that Val somehow deserves another MBT. If doctor’s orders were not to allow Tamar to leave hospital because of her health, she was obviously NOT cleared to dance, and the show should not have allowed it. I’m surprised the legal team signed off on it.
They still could have eliminated Alexa while also DQing Tamar, that would have been their prerogative. And not stunk quite as bad.
Also, agree with many here, no way to bring Alexa back. Can’t, and shouldn’t, be done.
Although with TPTB, you never know what stunt they’re going to pull next.
Vogu, I am so sorry to hear about the passing of your dad. I hope that you have wonderful memories to recall on during this time. Sending thoughts and love your way…….
The thing is, how long was Tamar in the ER? She had been sick (Sharna said someone else in their vegas group was sick) and Derek is sick too. Would they jump to a conclusion of PE when someone is being checked for shortness of breath when they had a respiratory virus? If she were there an hour, maybe 2, would they have time to run every test on her? She may have had her tests, or some of them, and was just waiting around, got antsy and jumped. She went back after the dance so she was gone 30 minutes? We all have 20/20 vision in
meanwhile Val is filling in her her Friday on The Real per his Twitter.
My condolences to Vogue.
I think the whole situation is sad. Yes Tamar should have withdrawn on Monday but I don’t think she really knew how sick she was. She’s a very driven woman and to her this was probably what she felt she should do. She didn’t want to disappoint Val or Team Shanick. Both of the PennVegas have sent her well wishes. I just hope now that TPTB can sort this all out and finish the season up
@Tina – I definitely think a four person final is still possible, but given how much TPTB love drama, I can’t imagine they’re not going to try and find some way to create even more next week. Personally, I would love to see a four person final; I was so frustrated there wasn’t one last season, especially because we would have gotten to see a Derek/Nastia freestyle. If we have four competitors dance next week and then have the same four as finalists dance the week after, it would almost be like having two finals (with the exception, of course, of the freestyle, which can absolutely change things) and I just think TPTB are going to find some way to take advantage of what has happened.
Vogue, I’m so sorry about your loss. My condolences go out to you and your family. May your father rest in peace.
Well MichLee They-couldn’t do a four person finale last season because a Derek/Nastia freestyle would’ve blown anything Val/Rumer would’ve come up with…and we all saw how lame their freestyle was last season. Derek is the Freestyle King!
Just to address a few comments I’ve seen…
*I know I’ve said it to a few people, but I guess here would be a good place, too: the impression I got from talking to DT and another source on Monday is that Tamar was kinda the one running the show on this one. She left in the middle of dress rehearsal without really telling anyone what was going on (Val thought she was in the makeup trailer, and then was surprised when he didn’t find her there and someone told him that she had gone to the hospital), and the crew was told “The show must go on” and they did some scrambling to switch up the running order, queue up the dress rehearsal tape of Tamar’s contemporary, etc. The impression they seemed to get was “We don’t know if Tamar will be back or not, but if she’s not back to do this duet live, she’s out – cause we don’t have a rehearsal tape of the duet.” So many seemed to be under the assumption that Tamar was likely out, and there wouldn’t be an elimination. It wasn’t until about 15 minutes before the show ended that they were told she was coming back, and had to switch gears again. Sure, Rob & Co. probably looked at the whole thing as an opportunity to foment drama, but really & truly – it didn’t seem like they were really in control of the situation. It was Tamar’s choice to leave, and Tamar’s choice to come back. And everyone else kinda just had to roll with it.
*Seeing a lot of questions about why Tamar was allowed to stay and Kim wasn’t – I think the key thing that people are forgetting is that, in order to avoid disqualification, the couple either has to perform the dance live on the DWTS set during the show, or they have to perform it on tape at rehearsal, in the DWTS studio. The key point here being that THEY HAVE TO DANCE AT THE DWTS STUDIO. If you can’t be there to either do your dance live or at least tape it during rehearsal, you’re out. Kim was disqualified because she could do neither, due to her doctor forbidding her to fly. She was cleared to dance, but not to fly – and she kinda needed to do both in order to avoid disqualification.
*To add to what Kelly mentioned about potential causes of blood clots – the chronic inflammation associated with autoimmune diseases can also cause clots to form. We couldn’t believe it when the doctors told us Mama Spence had MULTIPLE huge clots – she has low blood pressure, has never been on hormonal birth control, has low cholesterol, has never smoked, is very active, and we had no family history. But because her body was reacting to her own organs as foreign bodies, her blood had a ton of inflammatory factors floating around, just causing clots to form willy-nilly. She will be on very high doses of Coumadin the rest of her life – whereas the average person might take 3-5 mg per day to modulate their INR, Mama Spence takes 15. FIFTEEN. And given that Tamar has a family history of lupus – it’s not out of the realm of possibility that she, too, might have it. And it’s a notoriously hard disease to diagnose – like Crohn’s, it’s usually more of a diagnosis of elimination: you only say it’s lupus after you’ve ruled everything else out.
*The doctors may not have known on Monday night that Tamar had blood clots, but they still did not feel comfortable letting her leave the hospital – and yet, she still did it.
*Yes, I know that Tamar had nothing to do with Alexa getting the lowest combined total of votes and points last week – but it does seem to me like a huge waste to show up against medical orders and flounder through a dance just so you don’t get eliminated, only to bow out 24 hours later. And now the show is kinda in a lurch – they were likely planning to eliminate another person before the finale, and now they’re short. I have a feeling Tamar probably knew that there was no way she continue this season on Monday night – but she came back anyway. I guess this is the only half-assed analogy I can come up with: Tamar gets the last Hostess Ho-Ho out of the box, even though she’s already full from dinner and Alexa really wanted one…and Tamar just kinda goes “Sorry, snooze ya lose”, then decides an hour later that she doesn’t really want the Ho-Ho after all and throws it away. Is it her fault that there was only 1 Ho-Ho left? No. But the nice thing to do would have been to go “Y’know, I’m not that hungry after all – here you go, Alexa.”
Most of the cast members twitter accounts have gone silent. Interesting that both Alexa and Carlos tweeted to Tamar less than an hour after she announced her pulling out last night. Makes me wonder if they may have been given a heads up that they are considering bringing her back.
@Kelly – I completely agree! Derek’s freestyles are always amazing and epic. It’s truly shameful that we didn’t see Derek and Nastia do a freestyle and I agree that it’s because it would have completely turned the producer’s plans for Val to finally get his precious mirror ball trophy completely upside down. Their manipulations were pretty disgusting last year and they’ve somehow found a way to make them even more disgusting this year. Because there seems to be no limit to how low they will go, I think TPTB will try find a way to twist all the craziness of the past few days to serve their purpose.
Court, I was finally diagnosed with lupus after years of eliminating and testing for other things, and also tested positive for clotting factor five which gives me an elevated risk of DVT – and not on any hormonal birth control as a result.
Tamar has also been flying a lot, which combined with all those factors (possible autoimmune disease, stress, and other illness going on) it’s not surprising at all that this is what happened.
Court – I said this over in the members area but want to bring it over here as it kind of piggybacks on the information you received from DT. Not to take away from the serious situation that is Tamar’s health right now but this whole announcing her withdrawal from DWTS on her IG just seems like another situation where she was in control in how things went down. I haven’t been consistently watching all the DWTS seasons, but the experience I have had it always seems like the producers try to keep this under wraps so they can wait to announce this on the live show. I’m glad she’s doing what she needed to take care of herself as that should always be her #1 priority, but how everything went down on Monday night PLUS this IG post leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
@Fig – So sorry to hear about your diagnosis 🙁 I can only imagine what you go through on a daily basis. For Tamar’s sake, I’m praying it’s not lupus, but given her family history and the fact that this all came up as a result of stress (and as you know, autoimmune disease flare-ups are highly sensitive to stress), I have to wonder.
Straight from Tom’s twitter-
Tom Bergeron @Tom_Bergeron 1m1 minute ago
Sending best wishes to @TamarBraxtonHer on a fast recovery. @DancingABC producers are “looking at all possibilities.” Got a favorite?
Totally, stress is killer for everyone – but especially with autoimmune diseases. I think the hardest part is MAKING yourself slow down – especially when you’re ambitious and driven. Pretty much like me, except I don’t have the fame and 15 million people watching. 🙂
I think if the producers were REALLY thinking about the people on their show – and basic common sense – they would have just told Tamar she was out when she left the studio unannounced to go to the hospital. Face it, if you feel bad enough to go to the hospital, good sense would have dictated she not dance whether she made it back or not.
Great post Court 55. I think this is all a shame. I do feel for Tamar having a serious condition. But wish she would have bowed out on Monday so Alexa would not have been eliminated….as seems was the plan even on the producers end until the very end of the show on Monday.
If she would have bowed out in a few more days, I think people would have been a little less annoyed and there wouldn’t be any uproar to bring back Alexa at that point. But bowing out so soon after Monday night’s show shows she knew things were serious in some way even then, plus with what the doctor’s were telling her and could have known enough to withdraw on Mon.
I do not think the producers will bring Alexa back…but if they do we will be hearing it today so they have a chance to get caught up in time for Mon. But I am inclined to believe it won’t happen and we won’t hear a word from the show to amp up interest in this coming Monday’s show. Now, what will be interesting is if the show had been originally planning to do a 4 person finale or a 3. I am inclined to think 4 because we didn’t hear about a double elimination planned for this Monday. BUT, if that is so, there will be no elimination for Monday now and no drama on who makes the finale and they won’t like that at all. It does seem really unfair to the celeb currently in 4th place after the voting this past week to change the finale from a 4 to a 3 now and cut them out just because of the Tamar drama.
So, what do you think it will be mods and others?
-Will they do a 3 person finale now?
-Or will they just keep quiet until the end of the show for drama purposes and then announce no elimination and everyone makes the finals?
-I still highly doubt Alexa coming back is really an option.
So sorry to hear your news Fig.
Agree PH 63. Esp. if she left without telling any show person or her partner. The show made some mistakes here as well. And whoever mentioned it above was right on to me…the lawyers must be revising some of their rules and documents today to prevent confusion like this in the future. They will want to be more in control over the situation and not have the celeb take control, esp if endangering their own life.
Only Val fans could come up with the word selfLESS to describe Tamar’s actions. :::rolls eyes:::
Fig, I’m sorry to hear about your diagnosis and I hope your Lupus is stabilized.
After my PE, I was tested for a clotting disorder and was found to have a mildly elevated level of
factor VIII. I was on Coumadin for a year before we decided to try baby aspirin. Thank goodness it seems to be working well. I just had to go on Zarelto for a couple of knee surgeries, then went back to baby aspirin.
Courtney, my mom was on Coumadin for over 30 years until she died. I freaking hated being on it, so my sympathies and good thoughts to all those who are on it.
I still wonder why the producers didn’t ask Tamar if she was cleared to dance after she got out of the ER. Wouldn’t she need to provide written proof or something?
@EP I say no elim and the remaining 4 are your finalists. It’s only fair after all that happened. I don’t think they’d eliminate 1 on Monday, get down to three, and then wait all the way till that Tuesday to eliminate the 3rd place couple. They are going to just combine the votes and scores from this Monday with next Monday and then eliminate one couple on the 23rd, leaving the final 3 to fight for on Tuesday. Only way I can see it panning out.
@Andrea
Just read Tom’s twitter as well. Does that mean they are thinking of bringing back an eliminated couple? Or the most recently eliminated couple back AKA Alexa and Mark.
I was just being crazy thinking Tamar might drop out and Alexa and Mark could come back… but after doing all the exit interviews on THe View, etc.. it would feel weird… but would still make great TV drama.
Actually, Whitney, they DID have to do with each other. If Tamar had withdrawn on Monday when she should have, there wouldn’t have had an elimination. With the scores that Alexa got this past Monday, it is VERY possible that Carlos or Alek would have been eliminated this coming Monday and not her. The two things ARE related, no matter how badly you don’t want that to be true.
Wow PH – after seeing it in writing it’s impactful! Alexa has an incredible night and next week it could have been Alek or Carlos! I think they still would have had the married couple in jeopardy against each though…..that mic thing was low….
We’ll never know what went down and how it all happened. It’s just bad on all levels.
On AB Siri said something along the lines on how it’s a reality show that happens to have dancing in it…….
Wow so much going on after reading all these posts. Honestly, I don’t think the producers are going to bring Alexa and Mark back. It would just feel weird, even though I do want them back. However, the reason I kind of feel confused about this whole situation is because if ALek and Lindsay were elminated then I wouldn’t want them back. IDK…
Also, I agree with some other people that I think they may just go with a three person finale and HOPEFULLY get some good acts to perform…I do miss singers coming to the show on Tuesday nights.
Agree completely with Heidi.
To me that is the biggest justification the show could use to justify bringing Alexa back. Either Tamar misled them about the doctor clearance or else the show failed to due their duty in the rush of confusion and allowed someone to continue in the competition who clearly was unable to do so at the expense of someone else.
I do sincerely wish Tamar well and hope she gets better. But my God this was such a selfish thing to do on her part. She clearly was not well enough to continue on in this show and that was obvious to me just looking at her, she cost Alexa her spot in the competition (I think based on Mondays show Alexa absolutely on merit/votes beats out at least Carlos for the finals maybe Alek too), and now if they bring her back people will cry foul. I say let them cry foul. The show really screwed the pooch here.
Okay… I retract my previous statement.
Mark just put up on his instagram that “some exciting things are happening” about 5 minutes ago… this could mean a bunch of things from his music to who knows… but given what’s going on right now, I think Alexa and Mark may have a shot of coming back.
Besides, they never really did do their final dance on The View did they lol
If they really do come back, then the producers get more than what they bargained for a chance to have The Couple face off in an elmination and a chance at both competing in the finale… possibly.
Hmm.. polarizing.
Dear vogue, I’m so sorry to hear about your father’s passing. I can’t say I know exactly what you’re going through as it’s different for each person but I lost my dad 7yrs ago this Thanksgiving and it feels like yesterday so I know how it can hurt. Take heart and I pray God gives you and your family the strength to live the life he would be proud of and celebrate the person he “is” as he’ll always live on in you and everyone he came across. *Hugs*
@PH Yes, if Tamar had withdrawn she would’ve saved Alexa from being eliminated. She should’ve withdrawn, but she didn’t. And tptb didn’t make her. Alexa being in jeopardy had nothing to do with Tamar. Tamar leaving would’ve given her a freebie. And yes, Alexa probably would’ve sailed to the finals due to this week’s dances.
I like Alexa and was sad to see her go home. I thought she was fantastic on Monday, but you can’t blame Tamar for her going home. Blame the show. Blame people not voting in week 8. Blame tptb for not stepping in and making sure she was cleared by doctors. I couldn’t stand Tamar, but Alexa went home because she wasn’t getting votes. And now people are calling foul. It’s unfortunate that Tamar didn’t have the class to bow out gracefully. The fact remains that Alexa was in jeopardy. Tamar’s illness could’ve bailed her out, but it didn’t work out that way.
Er, yes I can blame Tamar and I do blame her, in part. Absolutely. She’s a “responsible” adult.
@PH I totally agree that it was completely selfish on her part, but I almost expect that from her. I blame the show more than anything. Pulling a stunt like that was completely unnecessary.
What @PH #70 said is the most frustrating thing about this. Right after Alexa’s contemporary dance on Monday, I turned to my roommate and said “They just made the finals” before adding that I was assuming Alexa survived that night’s elimination (which I thought she would). I know that Alexa was eliminated based on her Week 8 scores/votes, but if Tamar was that sick, she should have just bowed out Monday night.
I wish Tamar the best with her health, but I’m very frustrated with how this all went down.
I would only be in favor of Alexa’s coming back if they throw out BOTH the scores and the judges’ points for this past Monday night. It’s not fair to the couples who derive the greater part of their combined score from viewers’ votes to have two weeks of scores and only one week of votes determine their standing.
@PH One last thing, not trying to spam (sorry!) Throughout this season Tamar has done what she’s wanted to do without any regard to anyone else. The eye rolling, stank face at the judges, refusal to do the press line, no-showing rehearsals, etc. Full on diva. The show has allowed her to behave this way week in and week out without any real consequence, with the exception of a negative package (which bothers me less and less). The second she left the lot on Monday afternoon, they should’ve intervened. A contestant should never have been allowed to just take off without any notice or regard to the show or her partner! They should never have allowed her back on the lot and busted their asses in hair and makeup to get her ready. If she has no regard for anyone else’s time and effort, then they should’ve disqualified her. But they let her continue to “do Tamar” and make the entire show about which intersection her car was at. All in the name of “entertainment”.
I think they already had plenty of “entertainment” in the married couple jeopardy. I’m incredibly disappointed in the producers for allowing this entire situation to get so out of hand. The producers had to have known Monday that she couldn’t continue… my first reaction was, “how long after Monday does she announce her withdrawal?” It felt to me that the producers were ultimately concerned with “good live tv” and not the credibility of the show or the well being of its contestants.
Vogue, it will be 20 years on the 21st of November that I lost my dad, I am so sorry for you, but you will always have him with you, and you will discover through the years that so many of those “ridiculous” things you rolled your eyes at as a teenager were absolutely spot on, and how much he made you the person you are today. I have tears in my eyes writing this right now, as your loss as made me think again on how special my dad was. Much love to you today, it will be the most difficult one for you, and best wished for your road ahead.
My condolences go to Vogue and family, keeping you in our prayers.
Regarding Tamar’s health I wish her a full recovery, but about what happend last nigh… I wouldnt say it was selfless, it was irresponsible of her part. Forget the show, your team mates, forget Alexa, she is a mother and health comes first.
I initially thought she had medical cleareance to dance and I thought was extremely irresponsible f her Doctor and the Producers (and even her partner) that allowed her to dance. She should have bowed out that night, but she didn’t and as much as I loved Alexa this week is not fair either to bring her back, just allow everyone left to move to the finals or have a 3 couple finale.
Clearly, there were bad decisions made by many. I’ve had blood clots in my lungs from an undiagnosed clotting disorder and it is scary! I saw Tamar’s breathing on the show, there’s no way she couldn’t have known something was terribly wrong. Sometimes, being headstrong can get you killed. Thankfully, that wasn’t the case and Tamar will get the care she needs. I would love to see Alexis come back but I’m not sure she could go through another elimination. She really took it to heart. Vogue, I am so sorry about your father. I know words are inadequate when your life has been irrevocably changed. I hope your friends and family will guide you through this and you will take some measure of comfort knowing the prayers of others will be lifting you and your family at this sad time.
Yes, your health is something you should never take for granted. As much as I enjoyed Tamar she should have opted out. Saying that, it would have been Imo a double elimination. I believe it’s happen before. Alexa’s dancing was nice, but the votes were not there. Sorta like with M. Ballas andS. Bryan.
First: Vogue it has been a little over a year since my father passed. Sending you and your family hugs & prayers. He will be watching over you from heaven.
Now for Tamar: Selfish, arrogant, irresponsible. I wonder if she handled things as she did to get back at the producers for her bad edit. Just think of all the people she impacted by her actions.
On Monday Tom said that if Tamar didn’t return to the studio she would be the one eliminated. Alexa would have been safe.
Now they are looking at all possibilities? I’ve never seen a season like this and I’ve watched them all!!
Personally, I wish they’d just go back to a 3 person finale. Four, for me anyway, is just too many. But it would be nice to see Alexa back. Part of me never liked Tamar for the simple fact of what happened last season. Sorry, that’s not right, but that’s just me.
For the sake of ending what’s turning into a bit of a circuitous argument – can we all agree that Tamar doing what she did wasn’t necessarily “unfair”, but was really just kind of a d*ck move?
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people throw around the term “unfair” pretty loosely when it comes to DWTS. It was frequently used when describing eliminations such as Willow’s and Hayes’, when maybe the word they were looking for was “unfortunate”. The same applies in the Alexa/Tamar situation IMO.
Looks like People has an article quoting a “source” about the possibility of bringing Aleka back….
I wish Tamar a speedy recovery, her illness is nothing to take lightly. Frankly, I am shocked that the producers let her dance, she looked like death warmed over. And I am shocked that Tamar left against the doctor’s wishes. Just wondering how much she knew about her illness before she decided to go ahead and dance anyway. And how much did DWTS know. Did they know that the hospital wanted her to stay there, but they let her dance anyway? I really can’t see that happening. Anyways, I am not a fan of Tamar, but I sure don’t want her to die on the dance floor. Good thing nothing bad happened last night.
For any of the mods: do any of you know what the rule book actually says about eliminations? Are they absolute? There has been buzz all morning about possibly bringing Alexa back, but is that even possible? I don’t understand how that could happen given the voting aspect, but wanted to see what you guys thought. Has anything like this ever happened previously? Or is this likely just buzz to get people to watch on Monday?
I am curious to know the rules as well too.. especially since we are so close to the finals. I can see why since this was intended to be a 5 couple semi final and a 4 couple finale – but if Alexa were to come back and not have any votes from this Monday, how would that even work? Are they just going to eliminate someone from the competition now with the lowest number of votes and just let fans vote for Alexa for the finals?
@Whitney – If you want to reach out to the foremost expert on the DWTS rulebook – I suggest tweeting Alfonso. Apparently he knows it like the back of his hand. I honestly don’t know if there’s a protocol in place for bringing someone back after they’re eliminated – I’m guessing it’s on a case-by-case basis – but if anyone would know…it’s most likely Alfonso.
New post about Alexa possibly returning – and you can vote on what you think should happen: https://www.puredwts.com/2015/11/11/puredwts-season-21-week-9-people-magazine-claims-alexa-penavega-could-be-back-poll/
For Alexa to come back, they would pretty much have to NOT eliminate anyone on Monday and do a double on the first night of the finale. I don’t see any other way of making it work. As soon as Alexa was “eliminated” you couldn’t vote for her. You might be able to call, but they take the voting button away on facebook and abc.com. Even if they HADN’T of done that, the vote would still be skewed away from her. There’s no way she wouldn’t just be eliminated again, even with the high score of the night.
I have a quick question: Alexa was voted off monday with her scores and votes for week 8, right? So at this point they know who is going home next monday based on the scores and votes from week 9? Lets say Tamar got the votes and scores combined to go to the finals, but she withdrew, then the next behind her would be taking her place and gets to dance in the finalss. IF she didnt get the combined total to pass this week than she was going to be eliminated Monday… No need to bring someone back just to have an elimination for the sake of drama.
@Lotus – But I have to hone in on your last sentence: “for the sake of drama”. I think TPTB have proven that they do a lot of things simply for the sake of drama – which is why I do think they’re at least entertaining the idea of bringing Alexa back. What better way to stir the pot? It pisses off fans of the other couples, and gets Alexa’s fans exciting again – and EVERYBODY talks about it.
You are so right Court. I have nott been watching live a lot this season, and I’ve missed a lot of the packages and live drama ( I have to say I’ve enjoyed the dances more this way but its just sad the new level of Low DWTS is reaching)
Stepping back in time to Monday night and change the outcome would be ideal. Alexa had the best night ever on the show and the worst night at the end. To have to make a decision about returning after all that emotion and to have a possible vote count change for the remaining couples would be unfair to them, after dancing their best. Tamar is out of the equation. The remaining able bodied couples are the concern. Bringing back Alexa would just be setting her up for another eventual showdown with hubby. I would not want to do that again, personally. For her to possibly win over a hubby with a fragile ego would probably have lasting consequences. I would say leave well enough alone. She went out with top scores, I would leave it that way. Let the rest figure itself out.
Lol about tweeting Alfonso about the rulebook, Courtney, but it’s probably true. He might just the biggest DWTS fanboy out there. I think it’s cute. 😛
Why would Alexa want to come back anyway? She had been in the bottom 2 or 3 for the last 2 weeks and 1 other time. She was getting good scores but she obviously doesn’t have the fan base to keep her there. What if they bring her back and she’s the next to go, again? That would be awful for her.
Vogue … sending my deepest sympathy for your loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this sad time.
@Vogue: First off, my condolences. I can only imagine what you’re going through right now.
@Susan2: Just as an FYI, the pathway blood takes is right side of the heart -> lungs -> left side of the heart -> brain and rest of body [repeat].
Small blood clots can actually cause minimal damage if they get lodged in a capillary; while DVTs are a pathological process, having the lungs “trap” blood clots to protect the brain is actually quite common. The danger comes when you have a relatively *large* blood clot, or multiple blood clots at once, which can block off large parts of the lungs.
@Susan2 (and the mods): on re-reading what I just wrote, I realize it might sound rude or condescending; I certainly didn’t intend it that way. I was simply trying to point out that DVTs seldom cause problems in the heart itself; it’s that the heart sends them to places where they do cause problems.
Vogue, I am so sorry about the passing of your dad. I am sending love and prayers and my deepest sympathy to you. Hugs!
Sam, no worries. When it happens to you, it’s just a very scary event to have to process and move forward from.
What was wierd for me was my (former) at the time family doctor finally discharged after 10 days in the hospital once my Coumadin levels had stabilized with basically no instructions, just sort of a “byeee!” kind of attitude. It was up to my husband and I to taken the decision to get me tested for a clotting disorder.
Yer fine, Sam. You didn’t sound condescending or rude to me…and I see a lot of that. 🙂
My condolences to Vogue and her family 🙁
Just sending loving thoughts and condolences to Vogue. Her father certainly contributed a wonderful daughter to the world, and I’m sure he took great pride in that.
First of all….
I can relate to the blood clot situation. Dealt with one in my big vain in my neck. I don’t want to make this a book, but I believe the clot was from the fact that I bottomed out in the E.R. (Sept 2, 2011) My veins are terrible, runners, and it’s hard to keep them from blowing. While the E.R. team was working on me to revive me, they had to use the vein on the left side of my neck for an I.V. I went into a coma. Had to have a blood transfusion. Was on the respirator and all kinds of other paraphernalia. I had “Double Pneumonia” & Sepsis and I was not expected to make it. That’s what they told my sister, before my children got there. My children all held my hands and prayed. They never left go of them. Three days after my arrival in the E.R., I woke up, and didn’t even know 3 days went by; and the respirator hooked up to me scared me. After it was removed, the doctor came in and said, “Somebody up above really likes you.”
My point is, that if the doctor in the E.R. told Tamar she shouldn’t leave because of her condition was dangerous, especially to go back to DWTS and dance; even if they only thought it was pneumonia at that time, she should have listened. She could have dislodged one of the clots in her lungs. She should thank her lucky stars that she is still alive and hopefully with hospital care & rest and medication to try to dissolve the clots will pull her through.
I don’t know if she has a faith, but I am surely going to pray for her for a healing.
DWTS should have not eliminated Alexa until they knew for sure if Tamar could dance. It she told them she had pneumonia before the end of the show, they should have postponed the elimination. This isn’t fair to Alexa & Mark. They must really be disappointed!!! Alexa came a long way and should still be in the game.
@ Vogue…
I am so sorry for your loss, sweetie. You are in my thoughts & prayers. May you find strength in the love you and your father shared. I’m sure he knew what a special daughter you are, and you will always have him with you in your memories.
((((((BIG-HUGS)))))))
IMHO Tamar showed up for heroic reasons. Every one and a half minute dance performance requires the effort of a huge DWTS team. In addition, the Cirque folks had to come from Vegas. Tamar had to know in the hospital that she had little chance of doing well if she showed up and no chance of ever winning the CMB. But rather than letting so many people down, she showed up and risked her life for the benefit of others. That’s the definition of “hero”. Ask Alek.
#114 – Oh please! Performing Monday night when being that sick was either stupidity or ego talking. It is the opposite of being a hero! Do I wish Tamar all the best for a speedy recovery? Of course … but a hero she is not!
:::rolls eyes::: You’re equating Tamar with Alek, Brian? You’ve gone off the deep end. Seriously, nice try, but that shit don’t fly. IMO, she let NICK down by showing up and not really dancing well, bringing his points down. If she hadn’t been there, the quality of the dance would have been higher and likely would have gotten (although not necessarily deserved) a higher score. The dance would have still happened. There are pros to fill in. NO ONE “benefited” from Tamar doing that dance. No one. On the contrary.
That’s so absurd it really makes me wonder if it’s sarcasm, like something I would say and be shocked that people didn’t realize I thought it was absurd.
I agree that Nick would have been better served by having Jenna dance the duet in place of an obviously ailing Tamar.
As it happened that duet become ALL about Tamar, “Where is Tamar? Will she show up? Is she well enough to dance? Will she pass out at judging? She can barely breathe!”
Nick became an afterthought to all the Tamar drama with that dance.
He would have been better served by dancing it with a healthy, professional troupe member so he could concentrate on his own performance instead of wondering if Tamar was going to actually show up and then actually make it through the dance.
Yes I agree it could have had a chance of looking way way way better with Jenna dancing instead, but also, they got gifted those 9’s imo because of the drama, if they had followed their mantra that “it’s difficult to score the dance when they have so much respect blah blah blah…BUT we HAVE to score the dance…” it would NOT have received 9’s during week 9 of the competition. They had the easiest assignment with only brief travel requirements and assistance from pros from the actual show, they had 2 seasoned pros and both celebrities are musicians and performers.
My condolences Vogue, hope you look after yourself during this sad time xx
I’m so sorry for your loss Vogue. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family during this difficult time.
I think they would’ve gotten 9’s if it had been danced better as well, Jess. Nick got 9’s and a 10 on a quickstep that had very little quickstep content in it.
My condolences to @Voguerista on her father’s sudden passing. We lost our dad a bit ago and it was very tough. Time does heal, though, thankfully.
I just cobbled me up a little mess of crazy that I wanted to serve up.
But first a ditty dedicated to Mr. Rob wade — set to the music of “Raw Hide” (check out the scene where the Blues Brothers play at Cowboy Bob’s if you don’t know how the melody goes):
“Ponderin’ ponderin’ ponderin’
Did you have that lady wanderin’? Rob wade
Keepin’ those misgivins rollin’
keepin’ those suspicions flowin’
Rob wade Rob wade Rob Wade”
What if TPTB had the whole thing Monday night with Tamar prearranged up to her actually discovering that she had blood clots in her lungs? And the sequence of all the events leading up to that discovery are…. *still scratching head*
Ponderables to buoy this scenario:
1) She departs without telling anyone. Not likely. No matter how big a diva you are. And all that ridiculous chatter from production about where was she. Uh-huh. I reckon with all the producers and camera people hovering around every move they make on the show whether you had a numero uno or dos while in the bathroom is likely the only thing that they wouldn’t know. At least not as it was happening…probably.
2) Departs against medical advice from the hospital but still gets the DWTS legal dept. to clear her to participate in the live show. Would that be totally, ridiculously impossible or just absurdly impossible? I choose the former.
3) Extraordinary timing of her return. Almost too close to be believable, unless production had her in seclusion till the right, err, most dramatic moment possible. Mind boggling how that could work by pure DWTS chance.
They *really* must have wanted her in the competition. Were they working (H_A_R_D!) to get a top three (or better?) finalist on tour in Tamar? My suspicious mind even wonders if that scenario was discussed with her before the season even started. Oh, be still my quivering cynicism!
But now that her body has made a different decision for all, they are probably still at least minimally upbeat to the notion that they may get to split the marrieds up for a second time. Hey, when reality TV life gives TPTB illness and near death, they can still make dramanaide.
Mmm, Rob Wade, how you do make our heads spin and trust depart. Now that’s talent!?
I don’t know if this is wishful thinking, but it just dawned on me that this whole Tamar episode might actually strike a bit of fear in Wade & Co. — as well it should. It is only by the greatest good luck that Tamar didn’t drop dead on the dance floor. That would have meant unfathomable liability (in both money and brand) for abc, and the end of DWTS. The thirst for drama — any drama — overwhelmed all possibility of critical thinking and could have ended in disaster. You can be sure that abc’s lawyers are screaming bloody murder at the way this was handled, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Wade is called on the carpet about it. Maybe some practical necessity can accomplish something that an appeal to good taste could not.
First, Vogue, condolences on your loss. My Mother passed on two years ago, and not a day goes by that something doesn’t remind me of her. My wife, whose parents passed on several decades ago, said this will continue for longer than I expect.
With Courtney’s #89 above, I will let Tamar rest. And hopefully fully recover, regardless how all of the sub-plots iron out.
But what a site this is. Where else can you learn more than you ever knew, (but really need to know) about pulmonary clots (My thanks to Kelly and others). And also about the insurance ramifications of leaving a hospital against medical advice.
Stay strong Vogue. Sorry to read the bad news about ur father’s death. From:MetroJJ
So sorry to hear about Vogue’s father. Many condolences to her and her family.
While it would be tough on Alexa if she got eliminated again, I’m not sure I could stand Carlos’ reaction if she did and he was still around. That was the dumbest thing I’ve seen on the show in a long season of dumb things.
Hey All!! I haven’t had time to keep up with DWTS, but, I just wanted to come in and see how you all are and to thank Heidi, Court, John, and ALL of you sooooo much for all of your prayers and heartfelt condolences!! I’ve read every single word and appreciate everything. You have helped so much more than you can ever know! ((((THANK YOU)))) hugsssssssss!xxxxxxx
Aww Vogue, so nice to hear from you! I went through a similar thing with my dad years ago. The combination of shock and grief is a difficult mix. Please take care of yourself. Love and light to you and your family. Big hugs …
I am so sorry for your loss Vogue. If you need anything I and I’m sure a lot of others on here will be there for you! We love you Vougue!