Private Members Area – DWTS Season 22 Preliminary Discussion
Dancing with the Stars Season 22 is just around the corner! The cast has been announced. Time to enjoy some friendly, educated banter with the Pure DWTS Insiders. If you’re not a Pure DWTS Insider yet, you can do so here. If you are, then I look forward to the discussion in the comments.
What do you think of the new cast? Who are your favorites? Who are the sleepers? Who’s going to annoy the crap out of you? Are you glad Julianne’s gone and Len’s back? Don’t be shy, but do be friendly.
Want some spoilers? A little bird told me there might be some coming. Let’s hear what you think about season 22.
I think this cast has some of the most recognizable names of any cast the show has had. I’ll be interested to see how the football vote splits. Although, I think their fan bases are different enough.
I’m happy Edyta’s back, but wish she had a better partner. It’s ok though, she can just dance around him and that will be fine.
I’m glad they only have 3 judges. I’m glad Len is back. I’d have been happier if Julianne stayed and Carrie Ann left, but whatever. I watch for the dancing, not the judges lately.
I agree with you. I prefer 3 judges. I also agree about which 3 I’d want.
I’m really excited about this season’s cast! Some actual stars! And a good mix of actors/athletes/singers/reality stars/ spouses of the infamous. I really, really hope TPTB don’t meddle too much and let the votes fall where they may. With this cast, I hope voting will be up.
And lastly, bring on the spoilers!
John, I am so with you on Edyta. She is the reason why I started watching DWTS in the very beginning!
I’m glad we are only having three judges too. I think TPTB realized four took up too much time when dancing needs to have the most focus.
Bring on the new season. Though I’m still hoping Derek is dancing in some pro numbers or Macy’s to make it complete as right now there is a hole without him.
Thank god for the private thread – lol Have so much I wanted to ask but didnt want to stir up the public thread. Here goes:
1) THANKS!!!!!! to the mods. You have been fantastic with this reveal. Great clues – and I love that you go with FACTS, and when you dont have complete confirmation, you say so. Thats what makes this site diff than all the other rumor mills. And its why you get quoted in REAL publications. Great job.
2) That reveal on Tuesday -what a mess. I couldn’t figure out if Wit was off and it threw both Sharna and Peta off, or if Sharna and Peta just had no clue what they were doing. Any ideas what caused this? I hope this isn’t foreshadowing some difficulties for the season. With all these pros/celebs in diff locations, I think these pro numbers are gonna be difficult. Am I wrong – or is this the most “non-LA” based cast yet? Logistics could be a nightmare.
3) This is by far the most “high quality” names we have gotten in a while. I am very much looking forward to the season and almost all of the celebs. (Hey Geraldo – I hear theres a vault that needs opening – lol)
4) Any news on the troupe? I mean, Im glad Jenna is there and not a pro, but surely she cant
be the only female troupe. And taking the 3 newbies front and center with her? What about Alan?
5) LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the 3 football players. Brilliant – split the “NFL vote”. I feel like this is going to be a highly competitive season, starting about week 3-4. Maybe I will change my mind after the premier, but I only see 1-2 falling out early for physical reasons.
6) EDYTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe we will be blessed with her being lead troupe and pro specials, once her celeb is ousted.
Sorry for the overload – but seriously, thanks to the mods. I know theres been quite a bit of info stealing, which isn’t right. But you guys know why………its because you have had the most accurate, headline making, breaking news the whole month!!! It doesnt make it any less wrong or hurtful, but
“People only rain on your parade because they are jealous of your sun and tired of their shade”
Ask for spoilers and you shall receive 😉 Creating some space so they don’t pop up on the main page…
…so here’s what I’ve got for our loyal readers:
*Jodie looking VERY good, as expected. Powers through choreography like it’s NBD. Keo is THRILLED. Their week 1 dance is tango.
*Ginger also looking VERY good – not quite what was expected at first. Apparently Val was overheard saying he “didn’t get the ringer” this season, after their first meeting; but now he’s giddy because he thinks they have a decent shot at the MBT. Worth mentioning: I asked DT who he/she thought had a better shot at winning, Jodie or Ginger; he/she said “On first impressions, Jodie; but after seeing Ginger, I’m thinking Val may be able to tip the scales in her favor.” Iiiiiinteresting. As many have already been reporting, their first dance is jive.
*Marla is a bit of a cautious mover (like most of Tony’s partners), but isn’t the worst – looks decent. Her first dance is quickstep.
*Nyle also looking very good – Peta’s strategy is basically “Teach him the steps and the basic rhythm, and then rely mainly on visual leads to stay on-time.” Apparently Nyle doesn’t have the advantage that Marlee had – she had some partial hearing, while he is completely deaf – but DT says he appears to have some natural skill that Marlee maybe was lacking. Their first dance is cha-cha.
*Kim & Sasha also have cha-cha as their week 1 dance.
*Doug & Karina get along very well and he comes across as sweet and calm, but source thinks he may be a bit of an over-thinker when it comes to learning the steps.
*Look for Wanya singing some a capella Boyz II Men songs in he & Lindsay’s first meeting; Witney met Von on his chicken farm. Nyle & Peta met on the set of one of his photo shoots, and apparently the meeting is precious – Peta at first doesn’t realize that Nyle is deaf, and then realization sort of hits her and it’s apparently a very tender moment.
More later 😉 Thanks again for everyone that has joined us in the member’s area this season!!!
Thank you for all your kind words, sarina 🙂 I’ll reply to all your comments by number:
1.) Thank you, we really try – and it’s hard sometimes because we don’t always get nice, full, complete info. But we appreciate that you noticed 🙂
2.) The cast announcement was painfully awkward – and part of me wonders if it was because the GMA crew was running the show, as opposed to Tom & Erin, who were both absent for personal reasons. Tom may joke around, but he also does a stellar job of keeping things on-track – I feel like that’s what the cast announcement was lacking: a strong sense of direction. The GMA crew was trying, but between flubbing names and fumbling over introductions, it all came out sloppy. I’ve said it in other threads, but I feel like the only couple that didn’t seem at all awkward or nervous was Wanya & Lindsay – they seemed to roll with the punches well.
3.) Agreed. They really spoiled us with the cast this season – very strong lineup!
4.) Troupe is a bit murky right now, because they seem to rehearse on a different schedule than the couples and therefore my sources don’t always see them. But right now, the confirmed names are Jenna, Dennis, Shannon, & Kiril. Brittany is gone, Emma is not in the troupe…no definitive word on Alan or Hayley.
5.) I think the 3 NFL players were a genius move – and I’ve caught a lot of flak about it. But what better way to boost ratings???
6.) I wonder how much of Edyta we will see after Geraldo gets eliminated – part of me wonders if she may throw herself back into getting “Dance Pros Live” back in swing. I think a lot will depend on what her contract says.
And as for the “info stealing”, I’ll just repeat what I said on Twitter: I’m all for sharing info, I would just appreciate it if people would give us just a teensy bit of credit for things we clearly were the only ones reporting – I lost my sh*t on another blogger the other night because he basically copied everything in the couples spoiler post, and then tried to act like he discovered all of it through hard work and digging through his sources. BULLSHIT. We were the only ones actually reporting on not only the celebs, but who their pro partners were – so I find it really hard to believe that he was able to get all he same info, after us, from a different source, and was not aware of what we had been reporting. And after deflecting and trying to accuse me of “picking a fight online”, he was such a pussy that he deleted all the tweets between us. I get that we have a bit of a stigma attached to us by virtue of being a fan-run site and not an actual media outlet, but I daresay we’ve proven our worth multiple times over the years. Funny how they have no qualms quoting DWTSGossip or Kristyn, but would rather say “multiple sources say…” than mention our name. HA.
According to her snapchat, Hayley is in West Palm Beach (apparently) for some mysterious reason. She and Derek went to NYC and then she went there while he came to Nashville – presumably to FILM Nashville the show. I have no idea what this means for DWTS for Hayley. Perhaps she’s not required to be at rehearsal until closer to the show’s start.
Really, there shouldn’t be any more stigma attached to us than there is DWTSGossip or Kristyn – I think it’s more likely related to who you’re a fan of, or not a fan of. Or a complete lack of logic on behalf of the thief – entirely possible. DWTSGossip is ALSO a fan site and Kristyn is part of a very tiny site that likely gets far fewer hits.
Thanks for the spoilers… 🙂
I also thought the cast reveal was a mess. First off, *cut out* the background music, it’s so distracting and overpowering. And I didn’t get the whole couples entering behind the announcers. The whole thing was just awkward.
I’m thrilled to finally see what Keo can bring to the ballroom. And as far as predicting who has a better shot…hmmm, I’m on the fence about that. I tend to think that Jodie would have the fanbase upper edge, that and being paired with a pro that has yet to win a MBT. But if TPTB are trying to clean up Val’s tarnished reputation, then they may be glorifying every move that he makes. We shall see.
I learned never to underestimate the NFL fanbase.
Hey Guys, if you have questions for Sasha Farber for a new interview, let us know here:
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There are A LOT of couples I like pre-season and that never happens. I usually judge a couple by how much they make me smile without even trying — as corny as that sounds. So far, Wanya/Lindsay and Nyle/Peta are the two couples they just make me happy. Paige/Mark might get to that point also. I do want to like Jodie but I think my “eh” feeling on Keo is stopping me from fully buying in right now. That also goes for Ginger. Unfortunately, I’ve come to the conclusion that any Val partner I immediately just don’t take to because I’m waiting for the pimping to start. Not fair to the celeb, but I can’t help it. Not sure if I see Ginger winning, but I do think she’s in the finals.
Can someone explain to me what Jenna did to become lead troupe member? She seems to be Val’s choreography assistant (and maybe GF) and Mandy Moore loves her so I feel like TPTB are suddenly jamming her down our throats. I guess prepping her for a pro spot but there is just something I’m missing about her that other people see/like.
Yay!!! The Pure speakeasy is open for the season. 😀 Thanks, John! And spoilers from Court too. Wow!!!
On paper this has all the makings of an interesting season. However, my inner cynic keeps whispering “don’t get too carried away”.
I prefer 3 judges to 4, but I’m not happy that Len is back. He’s prejudiced against footballers and athletes in general which is 1/3 of the cast this season. I would have liked to see a new judge with ballroom cred. That said, I fast-forward through the judges comments these days because there’s no value there.
I’m delighted Edyta’s back but disappointed she got stuck with Geraldo. He’s already annoying the crap out of me. I’d be happy if he was the first to go.
Now on to the spoilers!
* Jodie and Ginger: It’ll be interesting to see which of these ladies with previous dance experience manages to make her less-than-appealing pro partner look better.
* Oh no, Doug, don’t over think. Hope that’s just an initial reaction and that Karina has some tricks up her sleeve to put a stop to that.
* WTF! TPTB didn’t tell Peta that Nyle was deaf??? That’s rude. How typical, though, always trying to manufacture the awkward moment for the sake of drama (they’ve done it to Peta twice now). I’m relieved the moment of realization turned out well, but it could have gone very wrong which would have been an extra hurdle for them to overcome. So relieved to know Nyle has some natural aptitude for dancing. I really want these two to blow everyone’s mind.
* Poor Witney, a chicken farm–yuck. She was probably thinking, “oh no, I’m stuck with another #%!@%$ FARMER.”
@Cidra = FWIW, I’m told the chicken farm meeting is hilarious – I guess one of the roosters starts crowing at Witney and she gets a bit startled, hehe. And as for the photoshoot meeting between Nyle & Peta – yeah, possibly a bit of a cheap set-up by TPTB, but I’m told that Nyle is just such a complete sweetheart that it almost doesn’t matter…he just rolls with the punches that well. Literally, none of my sources have had a single unkind word to say about the guy – much the way that Bindi was beloved by the entire cast & crew last season. 🙂
Thanks, Court. I’m sure Witney & Von “down-on-the-farm” will be hilarious, and I don’t mind the idea of Witney being uncomfortable because she’s always struck me as a bit of a precious pet.
The more I read about Nyle, the more impressed I am. I’m so glad Nyle has such an accepting attitude toward the rest of the world. It’s unfair as hell, but people with disabilities are put in awkward situations on a regular basis by the rest of society (whether it be intentional or just through ignorance or thoughtlessness) and they have to figure out how they’re going to respond. Some develop very gracious coping skills and others don’t. So when I heard him describe himself as an advocate for the deaf community, I was a bit concerned that would be accompanied by a somewhat crusading, militant demeanor. To read that he’s on his way to becoming this year’s Bindi as far as the crew is concerned is very reassuring.
You can achieve a lot more for your cause with sugar than with vinegar, but as Bindi said, people so often mistake kindness for weakness (when it’s actually the opposite). LOL, that sounds funny coming from a caustic broad like me.
Another sort-of spoiler (although I had to dig for this one, rather than being told by a source)…
…Antonio’s quickstep song is “Bad Man” by Pitbull feat. Robin Thicke & Travis Barker. Because there is no such thing as “too much Pitbull” on DWTS, apparently. 😛
DWTS is the reason that my boyfriend’s 72-year-old mom is a huge Pitball fan.
Thanks for all the spoilers, guys! Love it!
Glad to have you back, Fig 🙂
A bit of filler: Although I wasn’t sold on the idea of getting rid of Harold Wheeler and the big band, I now see it as a positive change. I think more artists are willing to let DWTS dance to their music when it’s their track being played. That said, I must be one of the few people on the planet who hasn’t warmed up to Pitbull. I wonder if DWTS got a “good deal” from him? 😀
I suppose it’s a good choice for Antonio. He’d probably go crazy listening to some old standard for hours a day every day in the rehearsal studio.
Ah Courtney, I’m loving the plethora of spoilers! Keeping my excitement up for Week 1.
Cidra, you hit the nail on the head for me with this:
* Jodie and Ginger: It’ll be interesting to see which of these ladies with previous dance experience manages to make her less-than-appealing pro partner look better.
While I totally expected TPTB to try and “solve” their Keo problem with a ringer instead of a teaching assistant BTS, I was feeling less than happy that he’s so thrilled with his talented, experienced partner. I guess I was feeling that Keo hasn’t earned or deserves a ringer like this. But when you coupled his situation with Val Sweetums, I remembered that he’s NEVER had an older lady or an inexperienced partner. And so far at least, I prefer Keo’s personality, find him much better looking and know he’s important for diversity. So bring it on!
Really, I’m quite excited about this season and very intellectually engaged in this new playing field. Almost all of the contestants are known and have fanbases. And I’m quite curious to see if there are attitude changes amongst the pros and even at the judges table now that the 6 time champion has withdrawn from the races.
@Colleen – Funny you should mention Keo’s personality…
…source has described Keo as “rather impressionable” in the past; I guess it’s a by-product of being relatively young and inexperienced. But apparently hanging out with Val on tour has shaped Keo’s personality a bit more, and he’s acting a bit more “Val-like” these days. For the love of god, I hope he doesn’t develop an ego that size – this season would quickly become insufferable with not one, but two colossal egos likely lasting till the finale.
Thanks for all the info Courtney. Somehow I just dont have a gut feeling that Ginger make the finals. Don’t know why – guess its my 6th sense acting up-lol.
I hope Nyle makes it really far, and Im glad the initial meeting went well. So the troupe thing really is that messed up – WOW. I thought for sure it must have just been some logistics thing. And Im with DLT – out of Emma, Hayley, Britt and Jenna – Jenna would be the last one I would pick to be in troupe. I get Hayley has some disadvantages from a background standpoint, but at least she knows how to stay on beat and looks like she loves dancing instead of loving the camera.
Pitbull – was fun the first ?2? times, but now – enough!! And I want some honest opinions here – especially from JOHN and the men. I have a real problem with Val saying he could do w/o Gingers pumping, and the creeped out face about it. This is the same person who two months ago slammed a mother and said she was committing child abuse for what was going in her kids mouth. And then he followed up with a nice little speech about his mom always providing a healthy option. Well – mr. hypocrite – isn’t Ginger doing just that? Giving her child a healthy option, even at great inconvenience sacrifice to herself? And now you are going to be creeped out by it? At least in my world, thats called hypocritical BS. As a mother of boys, Ive given this guy slack over the years, but this really irked me. Its like which side of the argument do you want to be on?
Sorry, ill try to keep my ranting to a minimum – and you all will prob tell me this is the norm with this guy, Ive just been blind. But I just had to point it out. And I wonder if the girls lawyers will point it out too—lol
Yikes!
I DO try to see the better brighter side of people and situations. (I slip up though, I’m human.) I have been aware of some less than stellar things Keo has said but I was young once too. Unfortunate if he’s being influenced by the whiny, entitled pack leader but I think that could also fall under the umbrella of seeing how the pros react to a much more level playing field this season. The star pro has removed himself from the ballroom. And it seems like this race could have several different outcomes depending on how well each team plays
their game plan. Of course, that assumes that they understand multiple aspects of how to balance points/ votes like Derek did.
Pre-season like this, I have to say, my preferred outcome would be for ANYONE other than Jodie/Keo or Ginger/Val to take home the trophy!
Thank you all for all the tidbits you give us.
Why do all of these people have to choose Val to model themselves after? I feel like Sharna has been taking on a bit of Val’s personality too. I don’t hate Val, but he’s definitely not my favorite, and I don’t want to watch more people on the show act like him. Maybe I also don’t like the fact that these are the people they shove down our throats.
Anyways, thank you again for everything you all do. I’ve loved coming here and reading the information you’ve given us and everyone’s reactions.
@Court, Now that’s a tidbit of info I didn’t really want to hear…
Of all the role models Keo could have picked, it had to be the Chmercocky? I guess I can kind of see how it happened, though. To impressionable people faux confidence often looks like what they think is the real thing because it’s more showy and obvious, whereas true confidence tends to be quiet and understated.
@Sarina – With regards to the disgust over Ginger’s pumping, I just have to roll my eyes – I think any sort of disgust/disdain/shaming behavior towards breastfeeding (from men or women) is so 10 years ago that anyone still perpetuating it today borders on misogyny. It’s hard enough being a woman when basically every normal biological function we have is met with disgust if we dare mention it – nevermind the fact that most of these functions have to do with, oh, y’know, just bringing LIFE into this world. It’s bad enough that we have to suffer through monthly periods for 30+ years and all the fun that comes along should we decide to carry a baby – the very last thing I want to hear when I’m doubled over with bad cramps is “Ewww, don’t talk about that, it grosses me out!” I used to be the type that got mortified whenever I had to dare utter the word “tampon” around a man – until I realized how silly it was that I felt ashamed about a normal biological process that was completely out of my control.
As far as I’m concerned – Ginger should stage a nurse-in at the rehearsal studio and invite as many nursing mommies along as she can to sit there and breastfeed their kids until Val ceases to be disgusted by it. It’s not on Ginger to be discreet – it’s on Val to man up and be mature.
Completely agree Court. I guess since I have boys, I tend to give them a little slack and know that a lot of times things aren’t what they seem to us girls. But this in particular got to me. Like you said – its all biological – but to me its the fact that what she is doing is HEALTHY FOR HER KID – the same damn thing he slammed a mother for two months ago. TO me you dont get to argue it both ways – regardless of being creeped out. Either you support HEALTHY options and all it entails – or keep your mouth shut. And then I guess adding it to those interviews for their tour where he continually proclaims he is ready for marriage and kids. What exactly is he ready for? A woman who can deliver and care for his kid so he doesnt have to see the “unpleasant” side to it?
I give Ginger tons of credit here – I really wouldn’t be comfortable dancing around pumping and being videotaped, but great for her that she is that comfortable. Its her body – her physical changes – I wonder how creeped out he would be if he had to deal with just ONE of those changes moms go through. Lets see him dance while pumping – and I should clarify – I mean pumping breast milk cause – well – I just wont go there – lol
@sarina – Yeah, I think Val himself would realize how truly hypocritical he sounds if he would just sit down and realize that Ginger is doing exactly what he was soapboxing about 2 months ago: doing what’s healthy for her child. Unfortunately, though, he doesn’t strike me as particularly self-aware or pensive, so he’ll probably continue giving Ginger’s pumping and breastfeeding the side-eye.
And yeah, if he’s saying he’s “ready for marriage and kids” in one breath, but getting creeped out by breastfeeding in another, he doesn’t deserve marriage and kids yet – because from what I’ve seen from my married friends, it’s a real eye-opener when you’re married (or even just cohabitating) and become acutely aware of each other’s bathroom & hygiene habits 😛 And this ain’t the 1950’s, where the men weren’t even present in the delivery room when their children entered the world (and they were more likely smoking cigars and drinking scotch in the waiting room, a la Mad Men) and the women received guests in the hospital wearing frilly dressing gowns and fully made-up faces – labor & delivery is graphic. There’s blood, there’s vernix, there’s placenta, there’s meconium, there’s colostrum. And the fun continues after you return home – there’s breastfeeding, stretch marks, constipation, locchia, stitches, and exhaustion. He doesn’t just get to give his 5 min, 1 tsp contribution and then expect everything to be all champagne & roses. I hope Val realizes that his wife ain’t gonna roll out of bed every morning looking, feeling, and smelling like a Victoria’s Secret model after she births Val Jr. – there’s gonna be ickiness. And she isn’t gonna feel sexy – a friend of mine that just had her first likened being pregnant and giving birth to being one of the cast members in Alien, hehe.
Sarina, I’m glad you mentioned all this, because it just strikes me as so hypocritical after his grandstanding about child-rearing this side of 2 months ago.
Well, since you asked. I’m pro breast. Although, I partially get how someone wouldn’t find breast feeding attractive. I get that some men think of breasts sexually and how breast feeding might ruin that image. Although, I think that ends up speaking even more about that person’s perspective on sexuality. Articulating an aversion to it though is dumb.
I do think that you can do breast feeding in a discrete way in public. However, that’s more an issue of modesty and respect for yourself versus whether it creeps someone else around you out. So, I don’t mind public breast feeding and shaming it is messed up, but I also don’t think that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be thoughtful and discreet in how you do it.
Off Topic: I also think the pro breast feeding people take it too far as well. My wife wasn’t breast fed and she turned out just fine. So, while I think it’s great if you can breast feed and want to breast feed, we shouldn’t shame those who don’t either. We had a week stay in a hospital with my 1st son thanks to stubbornness around breast feeding. Like most things in life, there’s a healthy balance that’s needed.
Oh yes, and I’m not sure Keo could have gotten more arrogant. He was pretty crazy arrogant on past seasons in my opinion. Like them or not, Val and Maks have strong personalities that draw a lot of attention. So, it’s no surprise that many follow and imitate them.
thanks john. Yes theres the whole sexualizing element as well. And honestly – I dont think it would have struck a nerve if it wasn’t for his “healthy diet”, and “I’m ready for wife and kids” sermons. Thats where i had the big problem.
Also agree about the pro-breasts fanatics. From personal experience – it can be the most rewarding, the most convenient – yes I said it, and/or the most frustrating and awful experience. To each his own – and thats where Val should just keep his mouth shut – he doesnt get to tell one mom to “feed them healthy”, and then be grossed out by another mom who is “feeding them healthy”.
Rant over – sorry for those uninterested, this just really struck a nerve.
Any good BTS info going on besides Pitbull? Any news on Erin and how she is holding up?
And good point about neither Erin or Tom being there for the reveal – and that may have been part of the mess up. I was looking at it purely from a dance perspective, but you are right that it could have been producer timing that started everything off wrong. Tom is worth his weight in gold to this show (for many reasons) – I hope they realize that!
Did anyone else notice the massive disconnect in the 2 polls we posted: https://www.puredwts.com/2016/03/08/puredwts-season-22-preliminary-poll-whos-your-favorite-couple-who-will-win/
Antonio and Sharna are leading the second one, but way down on the first. I can’t remember ever seeing such a major disconnect. The closest is that Derek always rated higher on the 2nd one than the 1st, but even he wasn’t as big of a difference as you see for Sharna and Antonio.
Court, thanks fo inside scoop! You guys rock!!!
I like Jodie and although I don’t watch typically morning shows, I like Ginger just fine. BUT, as of right now, I am not rooting either one of them! Keo has yet to impress me as either a choreographer or teacher, so even with a ringer, it remains to be seen if he can produce. And God forbid we get another pro with an attitude; IMO Val is already pretty insufferable and if Keo becomes mini-me of him, I’m probably done. I am already tired of the pimping of Ginger/re-habbing of Val’s reputation and if the season seems to be going the pimping route again, I may skip watching, just read Court’s power rankings and watch dances (sans judges comments) on You Tube.
Right now Paige and Nyle are the two I’m backing, even without actually seeing a dance.
Oh and on the breastfeeding topic, I too am in the camp of Val needing to make up his mind what he wants to stand for! Then again hypocritic is for me an excellent definition of Val! I just hope that this season doesn’t become nothing more than a new baby promo for G&V in an attempt to pimp them!
On paper this looks like it could be a good season, let’s just hope that TPTB keep their noses out of things and let the chips fall where they may (yeah right, but I can dream, can’t I?)
#sarina — You’re right, of course. However, the bedrock of your argument is intellectual/emotional integrity/consistency, and I’ve never known that to be part of the Chmercocky repertoire. If you put it to him directly, I think he would reject the characterization as fully as he rejected the idea of taking down the offending post when asked. Very bad judgment.
I’m with John on Keo – he was plenty arrogant (and very self absorbed) in the past.
Sharna’s behavior is what I find disturbing. She’s becoming the female version of Henry.
ETA: Val (and his brother) are nothing if not major hypocrites. I find none of this shocking. More Tool Time with Val.
Is a Sharna/Val relationship possible? I don’t know enough about either of them to have a clue, but it occurred to me that now that Sharna is single, and Maks and Peta are together, that there might be some kind of a pull/temptation to make it a fabulous foursome by getting Sharna and Val together. And wouldn’t that be a beast.
Y’know, Suzy, I kinda wondered that myself after she split from her boyfriend – but the I kind of poo-poohed it, thinking there was no possible way that Val could handle a woman that was as independent and type A as Sharna. Jenna strikes me more as the Val type – mor submissive and willing to let him take the lead. But who knows, Sharna has been acting a LOT different these days…
Keo is egotistical, but as I’ve said before – also very immature and not at all surprised tha he’s super-impressionable. He seems like just the type to see a Val and think “WOW, that’s SUCCESS” instead of someone like Derek or Mark who walk softly and carry big sticks, if you know what I mean.
As far as Val being grossed out about pumping, I hate to say it but I wonder if in his misogynistic mind if he finds being bothered by it “funny” rather than ACTUALLY being bothered by it. Does that make sense? It’s the kind of low-brow humor that I could see him latching (haha, pun!) on to.
#32,34,35-Suzy And Court –
good point and I guess thats what I am beginning to realize. What I have been willing to chalk up to poor communication and/or immaturity is something much different.
A Sharna/Val Maks/Peta foursome would just be too much to handle. And Court – do you think this thing with Jenna is because she lets him do what he wants? And do you think her newfound stardom is a result of Vals doing? Im with Suzy on this – when you start adding up the pieces, it certainly looks like a possibility. And I know Jenna is “of age”, but is this a case of a naive young girl getting in over her head on a personal level?
I also hope the judges let things progress naturally. Ive actually been thinking about you mods a lot – and I am anxious to see this season develop without Derek. Not that I dont like him – but I think this is a chance for the mods to shine because this can no longer be seen as promoting Derek. Sure they can still say its anti-Chmerk but he has done more damage to his reputation then this site or mods have- IMO. Anyway – I am really looking forward to seeing this season develop – and even though I post 90% of the time in here, it will be very interesting to see the public forums and how they react to the critiques, since they cant compare every dance/flaw/decision to “But Derek did xyz”. Heres to hoping the public thread is as promising as this season looks.
Thanks again mods – we can never say it enough!
Jenna “stardom”?? Hahahahahaha…sorry, sarina, couldn’t help myself. Most people who watch DWTS probably don’t even know her name. They’re probably coming back from the bathroom or kitchen when she’s dancing. 🙂 She might be a legend in her own mind, but she ain’t close to even Lindsay status.
Do you think we actually care what someone says who so lacks discernment to claim that all we do is promote Derek? I get what you’re saying, but to think we are worried about what a few idiots think is off base, speaking for myself. Everything will still be compared to Derek because he is the standard bearer of this show, whether he wants/intends to be or not. That is what happens when one has 7 Emmy nominations/2 Emmys/6 mirrorball trophies. And of course the judging will be compared to the past, since it was often used as a weapon to keep Derek (and Mark) down. Will that continue? Or will CAI stop seeing only one couples so-called lifts and will Len pick on everyone’s or no ones fluffing about?? Derek may have DWTS firmly in his rear view mirror, but his influence will be VERY hard for this show to shake.
Lots of awesome spoilers, thank you!
Not totally surprised by anything really though, especially on Jodie and Ginger (and their partners). Does Val just assume he’s going to get the ringer every season I guess? How nice for him. Still think my top three right now are Nyle, Wanya, and Paige. Doug seems like a sweet guy but hopefully he loosens up some. I think pro-athletes, especially retired ones, do tend to take the dancing technique/steps VERY seriously and think it has to be perfect (or what they think is perfect). I think it’s just the way their brain operates.
Not to turn this into a Val bashing post (but it’s so hard not to for me), I remember laughing when I saw an interview with him from maybe 2013 where he went on this long rant about how he wants an extremely confident woman he can be a fan of and they equally support one another and are a partnership and is smart and accomplished, etc, etc. Then you look at his track records of failed (known) relationships: Chloe Bennet, Kelly Monaco, even the thing with Janel, and it’s clear he doesn’t want a confident woman at all, he wants someone who basically worships him and will follow him around. Enter Jenna. There is a reason they have been sniffing around one another since she joined the show. She’s young, impressionable, desperate for attention, and idolizes Val. Clearly she doesn’t have any self worth either or else she would have ditched him over a year ago.
I do agree that Sharna has been acting very strange since the break-up, could just be going through her “I’m single!” phase, but I still think she’s too smart (and too confident) to go out with Val. She and Paul ended very quickly though. Thanksgiving they were fine and then suddenly it was over. Can’t help but be nosy about what happened.
Also meant to add that I actually think Jenna is shooting herself in the foot by being so closely aligned to Val and basically being his choreography assistant. IMO, the main point of the troupe to provide assistance to all the pros and be available for whatever is needed. The producers may just see her as a Val girl and nothing more. So while Val and Mandy Moore may try and bump her up, there is a reason the producers haven’t made her a pro yet.
Of course he assumes he’s going to get a ringer every season – because he has, like 98% of the time! Including this season, although I do think the show will work hard to make it appear she’s never danced a lick.
FWIW, I think the Jenna hype is just being perpetuated by a small but vocal minority – mainly hardcore Fam fans. As Heidi said, I doubt most casual tv viewers would even be able to tell you her name – or would even care to know it. She’s likely just a backup dancer to most of the casual fans of the show.
As for her future on this show, I’ll just say this: the only time I recall her actually having a viable shot at pro was in season 19, when she was originally supposed to be paired with Antonio before Cheryl decided at the last minute to come back for one last hurrah. Keep in mind that that was Rob’s first season as EP, and he seemed to be flying by the seat of his pants and hadn’t really made any big moves yet. Fast forward to last summer, between season 20 & season 21, and I had been told that both Jenna & Brittany had been let go, and Emma & Lindsay were in the troupe. The only reason that scenario DIDN’T happen was due to Peta’s injury. But the takeaway point: something must have happened between season 19 and season 21 that made TPTB think that Jenna was not an asset worth keeping. And I’m skeptical that she was even considered for a pro spot this season, given that knowledge.
So I guess my overall point is this: Jenna likely ain’t nearly as valuable to the show as her fans would have you believe.
@Courtney, thanks for that information about Jenna. She definitely has a very vocal support group that makes her seem quite popular, which I’ve never really understood. It’s interesting to me, though, that she and Brittany are deemed too immature to have partners, when Witney comes off as really immature to me as well. Maybe marriage will help her there.
But back to Jenna, I do hope it’s just that her group of fans are very vocal and she’s not actually that popular with the producers. I know that sounds mean, but to me she doesn’t bring anything new/different to the show. Add to that I’m an Emma fan and would prefer Emma to just about all of the pros, I just don’t want to see Jenna getting a pro spot over her next year. I also wish she would separate herself a bit from Val. If she did that and still got the praise she does, I’d feel like she earned it more on her own accolades. Right now she seems too much associated with him and I feel like he and his “fam” get a little bit of preferential treatment which then kind of turns me off of all of them.
@Jenny – With regards to Witney, DT and I have had a few conversations about her, and I think the basic explanation we come up with is that TPTB kinda backed themselves into a corner after they gave her Alfonso. He was basically a guaranteed win for whichever pro got him, so it gave Witney a bit of invincibility – I’m sure after her behavior these past few seasons (and yeah, she has been immature), they would just LOVE to put her back in the troupe, but they can’t because she’s a) got a MBT under her belt, and b) has too many fans. She was great in her season with Cody, so they went out on a limb and gave her Alfonso (mainly due to height & the fact that she could tap) – and they inadvertently shot themselves in the foot by doing so. But yeah, I’m with you in hoping that marriage matures her – I think it definitely has Lindsay. And I think after this season, TPTB may have a difficult time justifying throwing Lindsay & Sasha back in the troupe, too – which may mean that Allison may be without a spot if she decides to return to the show after her pregnancy.
Unrelated to the above thought, but thinking about Keo & Val and how Keo is basically Fam now – I would just LOVE to know what the current dynamic is between Val & Artem. He seemed like he was Fam when he first got a shot at pro on DWTS, but part of me wonders if there’s been some sort of falling out/animosity between the two of them since last season’s partner debacle and a few other vague things Artem has said in interviews. Part of me thinks (and maybe hopes) that Artem has seen Val’s true colors and has decided that’s not necessarily something he wants to align himself with. And they certainly don’t seem as bosom-buddyish as they used to be.
And really, I’d like to see how the lines have been drawn this season – Peta, Sharna, Val, & Keo are pretty clearly loyal to the Fam; Lindsay, Witney, & Mark are part of the Vibe/Mormon mafia; Sasha seems to do a pretty good job of staying neutral; Karina & Edyta are kind of free agents; and Artem & Tony’s loyalties seem a bit murkier.
@Court, Interesting discussion you and DT had regarding Witney. It’s a shame that MBT has more or less given her tenure. So I sincerely hope marriage matures her or that she starts making babies and takes herself out of the picture.
Question on Allison: You speculated she might not have a spot when she’s ready to return from “maternity leave”. However, could her cred as a contemporary dancer be enough to convince TPTB to give her a spot over a ballroom pro? TPTB still seem to be keen on weaving NON-ballroom/Latin styles into the fabric of the show. Ideally, they’d go after dancers who are qualified in both disciplines. However, if they can’t do that, the alternative would be to have several pros whose primary strength is contemporary to balance out the ballroom/Latin specialists.
My guess is that it has more to do with audience, Cidra, than it does qualifications. Val and presumably Artem, Karina, and Peta are not really qualified outside of ballroom – whereas the Utah faction are nearly all cross trained to one degree or another. I think Allison gets a spot because she’s got an audience outside of DWTS. Will she get one next season if she wants one?? I bet yes. Question is – who gets left out? Does Edyta go away again? Karina retire? Who knows? I think it rather heavily depends on what happens this season – if Lindsay and Witney both shine, if Edyta does well or not, if Karina does well. If their fanbases grow according to what ever metrics TPTB look at, they might not have a spot for Allison. If one of them fails miserably…
Good point, PH. Since the goal is to put butts-in-seats (or in this case, eyeballs on screens), if TPTB are confident that Allison can deliver viewers, she’ll have a spot.
PH – I think I didnt word my comment correctly. Sorry!
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The mods shouldn’t care one bit about what these anti-Derek stans say. I just meant that basically they cant criticize Dereks actual dances and compare them to others this season. And claim he got higher scores – because he’s Derek. Im sure there will still be the few who say “But back ins season 4, Derek did…”, but I just meant actual weekly comparisons (salsa vs salsa for example). But you have an excellent point that Derek will always be the benchmark pro for this show. Even if they are now just chasing his shadow.
And I agree about Jenna, I just meant stardom as a much bigger presence with a lot more camera time. I would be one of those people who dont know her name – except she stands out to me every single dance. And not in a good way. The offbeat dancer is always the one that gets noticed. And I really hope that you are right that she just has a vocal set of fans. I think what caused me to think that she was truly being highlighted by TPTB, was actually part of the argument you offered. The fact she was supposed to be released before s21, but then somehow got more dance and camera time than the rest of the troupe. That made me think a complete reversal had happened. I assume some of those opportunities are from Mandy, but still. To go from released, to most seen female troupe, to only female troupe in this seasons announcement. It just seemed like she was being given a lot of opportunities, and for the life of me I dont know how you promote someone who cant stay on beat, and cant even do the same choreo as the other females. I saw several tour videos, and there were so many dances where the other girl(s) did double spins, she did a single, or they did a full leg extension and she did a partial. She just cant keep up with them. So why is that being promoted?
Guess I just expected someone with that many technical issues to have been gone by now. Like it was supposed to happen last year. But now she is front and center troupe. And how do you possibly give her an opportunity over Emma? Unless Emma opted out on her own, it just makes no sense to me. I think thats why everyone is smelling a Russian rat in this.
And I also would like to know the Artem/Val dynamic. I noticed a big change as well, I assumed it had to do with the rumors that Artem had Tamar until Val didnt have a partner. And as for Val thinking he should have a ringer every season – he prob does, but he prob thought with Derek gone, that every female celeb would want him, that he would be the new “it” boy. Val just doesnt get that Derek wasn’t an “it” boy, he was just that good.
As for Wit – I think she is beautiful, but I do think that maybe that has provided her with some opportunities she wouldn’t have had otherwise. And I agree her work ethic and choreo have been off. Maybe she was wedding pre-occupied, but she really needs to step it up. I am so glad Linds got another chance last season, and she is quickly becoming one of my favorite female pros. And I agree marriage has treated her well and helped her mature. Lets hope the same for Wit.
Man, you guys are pretty harsh on Jenna and Witney. I think they’re both young, naive and trying to make the most of their 30 seconds of fame. I definitely think Witney is special and she has a look that is so unique and captivating. I’ve thought ever since I saw her on SYTYCD. When she dressed up like Marilyn Monroe it proved it to me. Think about it from Jenna’s perspective. She’s come from the same Mafia as Wit and Linds, but is still stuck on the troupe. No doubt she wants to be a full on pro and not just part of the troupe. Certainly she over dances and plays to the camera too much, but I think that’s her trying too hard to make it to the next level.
John-
I write off Jennas camera obsession to just what you said. Working too hard, trying to make her way. But she just has too many technical issues. I think she would be great in a solo piece, and can hold her own with a male partner. But in groups, the lack of speed, the timing, the need to change her choreo are always very noticeable to me.
Jenna certainly isn’t the first (or last) to overwork their camera time, but I do feel she is one of the weakest “group dance” dancers to ever be on the show. I actually do feel a bit bad for her, it has to be difficult having Linds and Wit succeed more than her, and she has to know that she isn’t doing the same choreo as the other girls, so it has to be ego-checking for sure.
Wit as Marilyn……she was perfect. She is a natural beauty, but stunning in character as well. Excellent point about Allison and next season. I think it will be interesting to see how Edyta does and how much she enjoys the season. This has been a long time off, a lot of change in production since she was on last. She has a lot to adapt to and a seemingly “not great” partner. I think her journey will be as interesting as “their” journey this season.
For as much as I love Edyta’s dancing and beauty, I love her mouth the most. I loved that she wasn’t afraid to kind of fight back against the judges. Karina and Julianne would do it on occasion too. I always enjoyed getting the other perspective. You know all the other pros think it too, but don’t express it.
Of course, I enjoy a good story line and some drama. You’ll never really get that kind of push back from Wit or Linds for example.
Ah, Sarina – you can just as easily say that the reason Jenna was featured in NYC (and that’s all it’s been thus far, really) is that she was the one with nothing else to do. I think it’s a bit early to call her a featured player. I don’t think I agree that she was most seen last season either. And don’t confuse Courtney with me. 🙂 We’ll have to wait and see how this season progresses before we can say she’s being promoted. As for Emma – you don’t know that it wasn’t EMMA who decided to sit this season out. When you think about it, Emma has done all the tours and every seasons since she’s been on the show – maybe SHE wanted a break. Wish Val would take one, it might help him creatively.
PH – believe me, I want to be wrong about her being featured. Nothing would make me happier than to see a better technical dancer – whoever that may be.
Agree about Emma as well – thats why I said “unless Emma opted out on her own”.
Is anyone else missing Emma already? At least I have Edyta to provide me solace.
I gained a new respect for Jenna, Keo,and Artem seeing them on the tour. They were so showy and strong out there compared to the way they are on the show. I wish I could say the same for Alan…only the opposite happened with him. I wanted to gag a few times in the Henry way showing off his body which he is very proud of.
I hope this doesn’t come off as belligerent. That’s not my intension. But I do wonder at the pro line up and wonder how the politics of it goes. And since the mods here have been long time observers, are smart and have inside insights………..
I think it’s easy and perhaps right to keep a spot in the pro line up for anyone with a mirror ball championship. (Even if TPTB had to manufacture that win for reasons of their own.)
On the female side we have Karina, Peta and Whitney who have trophies. So 3 spots held for them and 3 openings.
-Why assume Edyta has an opening again next season when neither Anna nor Louis was asked to return again after last season?
-For the 3 remaining spots? Why do you think Sharna, Lindsay and maybe Allison are given more preference than Emma Slater?
I wonder the same thing of on the men’s side. Let’s assume Derek won’t return as a pro anymore. So the trophy holding legacy places are for Mark, Tony and Val. It’s easy to see both internal and audience related reasons why Keo gets a spot no matter what. So 2 remaining spots. Why has Artem, just another young Russian dancer who hasn’t proven himself yet prioritized over Sasha, who had done fairly well on his one pro outing? I know y’ll tell me it’s his height yet has there EVER been a season where not one contestant was petite? Artem is Maks2, Val2, Henry2, Gleb2 basically while Sasha has a boyish vibe and an accent that we don’t have represented yet. He’s been with DWTS for years now and appears to be a well rounded and well liked employee.
How can we measure “audience appreciation?” If they’re measuring projects / accomplishments elsewhere, than I’m right in my concern that Kiril Kulish might be the next troop member given priority status if things go well this season.
@John – My issue with Witney has nothing to do with looks or talent – in fact, I was often the one praising her and defending her during her troupe days, when many found her to be a bit “camera-hoggy”. I agree that she has the “it” factor, and I think they were probably looking to her to be the next Julianne after Chelsie kinda fizzled.
What I do have a problem with are the tantrums I’ve seen her throw with Alfonso, Mikey (during season 19 switch week), Chris, Carlos, and Nick (during season 21 switch week). It’s as if the minute she hits a wall with teaching them, she has a bit of a meltdown – and she kinda storms off, leaving her partner looking a bit bewildered. THAT’S what she needs to work on – emotional maturity, and maybe communication as well. And probably her choreography too, but that’s easily fixable if she relies on the right people. I think back to what a world of good the troupe did for Lindsay after her first, really rocky season with Victor – she shed a lot of those early, inexperienced bad habits and came out with a much better head on her shoulders for it. I almost think Witney’s growth as a pro got a bit stunted when they gave her Alfonso – he’s basically the most talented male celeb ever to do the show, and she really didn’t have to work too much on him because he was just that good. It almost seemed to spoil her a bit – so when she got Chris the following season, it was a bit of whiplash. As if she was expecting everything to be as smooth as it was with Alfonso, but it was far from it. Granted, she did seem to grow up a bit towards the end of Chris’ season and actually started working hard with him, but it took the bulk of the season to get there. My problem is not with Witney the dancer/performer – it’s with Witney the pro. Just like Keo – great performer and dancer, could use some work in the teaching department.
I was referring more to the hype around Jenna that her fans perpetuate, rather than Jenna herself, but I’ll throw this in about her: I think she’s a very hard worker, but somewhat lacks the charisma that make Lindsay & Witney stand-outs. And charisma is unfortunately something that’s hard to learn – you either have it or you don’t. She’s fine as a dancer, but I don’t see my eye as drawn to her as it is to Lindsay & Witney.
I see what you’re saying Courtney about her teaching style. I agree her teaching style is immature, but I think her “breakdowns” are a bit overstated. I always read about them here and then when I saw them later (I usually watch later) I didn’t think they were as bad as described. So, I guess that’s where I’m coming from in that regard.
I guess I don’t read Jenna fans. I’m lucky to have missed their comments.
Courtney – great point about charisma. All of you are so knowledgeable in the dance arena, but I am not. I totally agree that my eye is drawn to Linds and Wit – even in their celeb dances. They have the ability to draw us in.
And my critique of Jenna comes as a non-dancer critique. I see the off beat. Probably like if one of these NFL players ran the wrong way on the field – lol. It just stands out because I am enjoying the rhythm, the music, the synchronicity – and it gets interrupted by someone who is offbeat. I do not have the knowledge or expertise to enjoy the dances on a level any higher than that. So to me it all comes down to that charisma and synchronicity. I wish I could appreciate the level of difficulty and the techniques that you all recognize, but unfortunately I just never had the opportunity to study dance.
So I appreciate all of your patience, and its always enlightening to follow the commentary. I do really enjoy all of the insights, even if I cant participate it at the same level.
With the three football players, I actually looked up their heights, and discovered that Witney (shortest of the three pros) got the tallest one. That initially didn’t make a lot of sense to me, but then I reminded myself that there are all kinds of reasons celeb and pro get paired. Besides, I thought, she married a very tall guy, so dealing with a significant height differential is something she’s used to. However, during their interview when she was asked about the difference between her and Von’s height, she put on her best “Aw, shucks” face and said, “Yeah, I know, I look like a child.” I was disappointed that she would revert to that.
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Colleen, I’m trying to remember (too lazy to go back on this Friday night where I’m actually home at a reasonable hour) if anyone actually “assumed” that Edyta would have a place next season. I don’t remember anyone saying that. I remember saying that whoever appears to be a hit with the audience, using whatever metrics they have at their disposal, will be the ones asked back next season. All I can go on are my own gut feelings based on watching this show for years and realizing that I am a rather typical viewer – and that gut says that Lindsay more than earned her spot last season. Her choreo was good, she meshed very well with her partner and took him a long way. Allison has a FANBASE that isn’t necessarily coincident with DWTS. I think those two women will have spots, if Lindsay does well again this season. That leaves Sharna and Emma – and honestly, I have NO IDEA why they would pick Sharna over Emma. I think this season could be a turning point for Sharna – how many great partners can one woman get without a win?? Sadly, Val had MANY great partners and no win until S20, but it seems the men are given a bit more slack – perhaps because they develop larger fanbases?
Sasha versus Artem is height. Yes, there are always petite contestants – but do you think those petite contestants are going to go to Sasha over Mark, Derek and Val?? Not hardly. Artem has only had one more season than Sasha, so it’s not like Sasha is getting passed over for HIM. Henry and Gleb each only had ONE partner on DWTS so Sasha is already ahead of them, so not sure why they are thrown in the mix. He’s still on the show, neither of them are anymore. Sasha wins.
As for measuring the audience – WE can’t do it, but I’m sure they have all kinds of metrics, from fan mail (yes, it still happens) to surveys to god knows what else. I wouldn’t worry about Kiril – what works on stage doesn’t always translate to TV. If he were all that, he wouldn’t take a troupe spot over Broadway. Him having a shot next season probably depends on Sasha himself – how well he does. I don’t think Derek will be back (although he’s done stupid shit before I think he’s learned his lesson), so he probably won’t have to worry about that.
Colleen, I agree with PH that Sasha vs. Artem is about height because they definitely aren’t in competition when it comes to ‘type’. Sasha is the bouncy, wholesome, boy-next-door, and Artem fills the strong, silent, slightly-dangerous foreigner role. Also, while I acknowledge that SCD (aka “Strictly”) success doesn’t have equivalent cred in the Hollywood/DWTS world, Artem is *not* “just another young Russian dancer who hasn’t proven himself yet”. He was considered quite the heartthrob and one of the top male pros on the British show (and his choreography was deemed rather artistic and avant garde). He won there with Kara Tointon (in his first season), and in his 4 seasons on that show, he had 3 “ringer-esque” celebs. Artem’s role on DWTS seems to be different (almost a Tony understudy), and so far he seems content to accept that — maybe it’s the bigger paycheck??? Who knows. In any case, Sasha and Artem are apples and oranges. In my opinion, DWTS can have (and to some extent, needs) both.
I just started watching DWTS about the last season Edyta was on. It will be a change to see her again since I barely got to know her. But, I really am not too into Geraldo at all and never have been. I hope she stays while, maybe he will be fairly good on the dance floor.
I was wondering why I wasn’t excited about Geraldo and I remembered why. He was kind of annoying on The Apprentice.
Geraldo strikes me as someone who believes he’s a “Renaissance Man” and he thinks he’s a lot more intelligent than he actually is. Therefore, he has an opinion on everything and feels everyone is just perishing to hear it. People like that just never shut up!
Kind of annoying John…lol….that could be an understatement. I am glad to to see the discussion about the Troupe. I hate that Emma is gone. I hope it is only one season.
Courtney – this is for you. Didn’t want to post publicly-
Q: What is the difference between a Steelers fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.
:)))))
Courtney – a few more
Q: What’s the difference between an Pittsburgh Steelers fan and a carp?
A: One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.
Q: What does a Pittsburgh Steelers fan and a bottle of beer have in common?
A: They’re both empty from the neck up.
According to a new poll 91 percent of people are satisfied with their lives. The other 9 percent are Pittsburgh Steelers fans.
All in good fun, but I couldn’t resist. lol