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John Says…Heidi Says – Donny Osmond on DWTS

This is the beginning of a little back and forth banter about the 3 finalists on Dancing with the Stars. First up is Donny Osmond.

John says…
Donny Osmond was called the biggest ringer to ever be on Dancing with the Stars. I think he’s actually lived up to that billing. His dance and performance ability has shown through and there’s no arguing his popularity after a lifetime in the entertainment industry. However, what’s been most amazing to me is that Donny has been able to reasonably battle his “ringer” status and even converted a new set of fans that were destined to hate him. This is why Donny has an amazing chance of hoisting the mirror ball trophy.

Heidi says…
You say “lived up to that billing” like ringer status is a good thing.  It’s so not!  I hate it when better dancers leave because one dancer not only has a huge fanbase, but is not the best dancer – that unbalances the show right from the start. Gained new fans? Perhaps – there is no way to actually measure that. I’m sure I’m not the only one that wants to pull my ears off my head when he makes his grab for the microphone. He battles his ringer status because he’s not a good dancer at the end of the day – that makes his ringer status easier to tolerate (and it lulls viewers into underestimating the power of his fanbase – me included). But, for me, right when Donny does something to make me like him, he pulls a stunt like he did on Larry King Live the other night – dude, shut the hell up. Not everything is about YOU. Donny has a great chance of hoisting the MBT all right – but NOT because of his dancing. He’s all performance and mouth, little technique. All that said…I love Kym Johnson, so I have to root for them (her).

John says…
Well, I’m glad to see we agree about Kym. Kym is fantastic and Donny is lucky to have her as a partner. I can’t imagine Donny with anyone else. Karina would have flipped out on him. Edyta would have just rolled his eyes when he spoke. Lacey or Chelsie would have been too many mormons. Ok, I digress.

I’m not saying I’m a HUGE fan of Donny either. He’s always a bit awkward to me on the floor and when he’s talking. However, I love that he is himself. Certainly there’s a bit of acting, but I honestly think that Donny is like he is on the show in real life. He was brought up that way since before he knew what the word actor meant and so he knows nothing else. His grab for the microphone is annoying and he’s got to stop that.

However, I do like it when someone lives up to their ringer status. I don’t care if a better dancer goes home because they’re not as popular as long as they’re not my favorite;-) Seriously though, it’s just a feature of the show and something that everyone involves knows is going to happen. I wonder how much of that is figured into what they’re paid to be on the show. If the show really wanted the best dancer, then they’d weight the judges score to be more than the audience vote.

Yes, Donny has a great chance at hoisting the MBT because of his performance, mouth and little technique and not because of his dancing. What’s so wrong with that? The trophy doesn’t represent great dancing. It’s not even “America’s Favorite Dancer” like So You Think You Can Dance. It’s just a ball that represents…well nothing. So, I’m good with it representing mouth, performance, and little technique.

Heidi says…
Well, you’re the one that mentioned “dance and performance ability” in your original comment, that’s what I was responding to. I really don’t care if the best dancer doesn’t win – I often don’t vote for the best dancer. I won’t be voting for the best dancer tonight, either. 🙂  Let’s talk about Mya and see if you still love someone living up to that “ringer status”. Heh.

John says…
I think very few people actually vote based on dance ability. Although, a great, memorable dance I think does encourage more people to vote. If you’re voting for Kelly tonight, I might have to just vote for Donny to counteract your votes. Not that I’m a huge fan of Donny, but I can’t handle Kelly winning.

Let’s talk about Mya’s ringer status. The difference is that Mya is a ringer that’s a DANCER. I don’t like this, but that’s because I think the premise of the show is to take stars that can’t dance and see them try. Mya was helping with the choreography for goodness sakes. Donny is a different story since he doesn’t have the dance skills. He’s using the other qualities he has to try and enhance his performance. I like that.

Heidi says…
We won’t argue about Mya. 🙂 I don’t know who I’m voting for tonight – either Kelly or Donny and it’s going to depend heavily on the choreography. I’ll vote for what excites me. Based on Louis’s “Pricilla Queen of the Desert” tweets, I’m just not sure. 🙂

John says…
I know who I’m voting for…

November 23, 2009 I Written By

Better known as Charlie.

DWTS 9, Week 9 – The Last of the Media

I hope. 🙂

First, on E! from Tuesday, Julianne outs herself as a Twilight fanatic who belongs to Team Edward – for further outage, check her twitter when she tells everyone she and her sisters went to the midnight showing on thurday night/friday morning here in Nashville. Julianne also talks about Chuck. Also Cheryl interviews Mya and calls Len “a pervert”.

The Insider makes use of Pap Henry’s off hand question to Derek about Playgirl – this is how rumors get started, ya’ll. 🙂

E! News from Wednesday – The elimination results in (very) brief.

Holy cow! Entertainment Tonight covers someone other than Donny – or should I say, in *addition* to Donny!! Maybe it’s bad luck for the couple, since Derek and Joanna get eliminated the next night. 🙂

Entertainment Tonight from Wednesday Night – Marie and Mary Hart

Reality Chat from Tuesday – and this is what I was talking about in my “Shocking” Elimination post. Votes are *everything* – listen to Rosanna Tvarez talk about Kelly Osbourne. She clearly says that she WANTS Kelly to win – that might not be who should or who will win. They both admit that Mya is the better dancer, and maybe Joanna – but Rosanna is emotionally invested in Kelly. I’m seeing a lot of that across the net too – I think that this season is anybody’s to win. So, which fanbase will muster the votes. And all three couples better have KILLER freestyles – and not just technically good, but one that packs an emotional punch.

November 22, 2009 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 9 Finalists on Larry King Live

I have mad love for Tom Bergeron. 🙂

OMFG!!! Just when I think Donny has won me over he tries to take over Larry King Live before the show is even one minute old. Geez. You know what I yelled at my TV?? SHUT THE F*&K UP!!!! God, so unbelievably, incredibly ANNOYING. Okay. :::deep breath::: I’m over it. For now.

I think Kelly’s dog may be the cutest thing I’ve ever seen.

Psstt, Tom, the dancers aren’t a mystery. Derek and Joanna both tweeted about it days ago AND CNN showed a clip from their Futuristic Paso (aka Best Dance of the Season) at the opening of the show.

Mya, if it feels that great, why not SHOW it more?

Okay, where’s Louis? I’m ready to hear from him now. 🙂

Oh, yeah, Dmitry, you’re such a rule breaker. :::rolls eyes::: Nice to see Mya admit there is a connection problem – but it was week 8 before you got it, Mya.

I love Sharon and Ozzy Osbourne. WTF was with this short little segment?

I think Donny might give the best freestyle out of the three remaining. But, um, shut up, Donny. LOL, Tom on the Doll Dance crack. Annnd, we see who wears the choreography pants in Mya and Dmitry’s relationship. Lol

Yay, my favorite part of the show!! I love Joanna – she makes a pact with Kelly and she sticks with it no matter what. Derek, on the other hand, should try politics. 😉

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I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

The “Shocking” Elimination!

One of the things that drives me absolutely crazy is the headlines related to DWTS at this point in the season – well, really, all times of the season. “Shocking Elimination!!!” Even sites dedicated to DWTS, who should know better. Um, peeps? Only if you don’t do math. This past week it was Joanna’s “shocking elimination” – geez, where have these people been?? Joanna up against:

  • Donny Osmond – former pop star whose massive fanbase aligns nearly perfectly with the DWTS voting population.
  • Kelly Osbourne – New America’s sweetheart. Face it – everyone loves an underdog, especially one with a CUTE dog.
  • Mya – Also well known, has been dancing her whole life and who is arguably the best technical dancer on the show, despite her issues connecting with Dmitry (even Mya acknowledges it, people – watch LKL).
  • At this point in the season, all the voters are focusing on four people. The vote is only divided four ways. Does that matter? Well, I guess it depends on how you look at it. It could matter when you have a relative unknown up against three famous (or notorious) people, two of them being accomplished performers. Oh, but “Joanna had high scores,” you might say. “She must really be unpopular or not well liked,” you might say, in order for her to be voted out when Donny was so far behind her in judges scores.

    I say BULL. It doesn’t matter what the judges scores are, unless there is an extreme difference (and I don’t mean 10 points)…because of the MATH. Here’s how the show supposedly works:

    Judges Scores:
    Mya = 87
    Joanna = 81
    Kelly = 78
    Donny = 72

    Add up the total points given = 318
    Now figure the percentage of total points each celeb got:
    Mya = 27.36
    Joanna = 25.47
    Kelly = 24.53
    Donny = 22.64

    As you can see, there is a relatively small difference between the scores; less than one percent difference between Joanna and Kelly, and only 1.88 percent between Joanna and Mya. Donny is only 2.83 percent behind Joanna! Keep in mind that he is DONNY OSMOND. Remember Marie versus Jennie Garth? Same situation. Same pro on the losing end. 😉

    According to the rules of the show, the contestant’s share of the judges points is added to their percentage of the viewer votes. What that means is that that if Joanna receives 25 percent of the vote and Kelly and Donny receive 25.95 and 27.84 percent of the vote, respectively, Joanna goes home. Because the judges share is added to the voter share:

    Joanna 25.47+25=50.47

    As you can see, a relatively minor difference in the vote can send Joanna home over Kelly or Donny. Because the contestant’s share of the viewer votes is never revealed, you can never be sure who is going to leave. There is no way to measure who is “popular” beyond anecdotal evidence. Go back and do the math on Aaron – was he really disliked, or was he just a little behind because he turned a few people off? Just because he was at the top of the leader board and went home doesn’t mean everyone hated him – not at all. It just doesn’t take much.

    Now, if there are any Mya/Dmitry fans out there saying “She can’t lose!! She’s so fabulous!!” Wrong – she absolutely CAN lose and it won’t be difficult, unless the judges REALLY go out on a limb and keep a good ten to fifteen points between Mya, and Donny/Kelly. Will they? History says that they won’t go radical on the scoring in the finale – unless Donny has another meltdown, there won’t be a 16 point difference between them, or a ten point difference between Mya and Kelly. But, for the sake of argument, let’s say that the judges break with tradition (and stop covering their own butts for fear of scoring the winner really low) and keep the spread as it was last week. I’m going to assume that the “four dances” rumor is accurate. That means the scores would be as follows:

    Judges Scores (total possible is 120):
    Mya = 118
    Kelly = 108
    Donny = 102

    Add up the total points given = 328
    Now figure the percentage of total points each celeb got:
    Mya = 35.98
    Kelly = 32.93
    Donny = 31.1

    Again, the difference between Donny and Mya is ONLY 4.88 percent, and the difference between Kelly and Mya is only 3.07 percent.

    So, my questions are two fold:

    Can Donny garner 4.89 percent MORE than Mya in terms of viewer votes??
    Can Kelly garner 3.08 percent more than Mya in terms of viewer votes??

    Keep in mind that I’m *assuming* that the spread will be similar. What if it’s not?? Personally, based purely on math and anecdotal evidence, I think that Donny can beat Mya handily. The real question is – can Kelly beat Mya? I would NOT consider that “shocking”.

    However, since we have no clue about how the votes have been stacking up all along it’s very difficult to be sure. And no, that whole “in jeopardy” thing doesn’t count for a hill of beans – it’s all crap and manipulation. Unless ole Tom says, “The bottom two are…” then you don’t really know. They freely use “jeopardy” as a manipulation/drama tool. I certainly believe that they can’t rig who goes and who wins, but I do believe they can pretend someone is in a fake bottom two – no law against it.  Another thing that ALWAYS amuses me is that fans of a given couple always forget that when someone is voted out, often the people who voted for them vote for someone else – if ya go around trashing the voted out couple and rejoicing their being booted…well, odds are good that their fans won’t vote for YOUR favorite. And, as I’ve shown, every vote counts.  Mya and Donny fans should be careful – they could see a bunch of Joanna and Aaron fans (among others) voting for KELLY. 🙂  Think 3.08 percent. 🙂

    So, you’ve heard the complaints about all three of these finalists, and you have an idea of their fanbases. Who has the math working for them??  And who will have the killer freestyle – some people say that means EVERYTHING.

    **I used excel to do the math and I rounded – let me know if you see a math error.

    November 20, 2009 I Written By

    I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

    DWTS Season 9, Week 9 – Miscellaneous Media

    Access Hollywood with Kelly and her parents, and Derek and Joanna:

    Derek and Joanna on The View:

    Entertainment Tonight continues it’s love affair with Donny Osmond:

    Extra from Tuesday, November 17 – Julianne at the Twilight premiere (she’s a HUGE fan according to Derek and she did tweet a picture of her with Rob Pattinson the other night – I officially hate her. :-)), plus Donny and Kym on their wardrobe malfunction tango. They show a bit of Mario Lopez dancing with Karina.

    Derek and Joanna on Kimmel – pretty darn funny.

    November 19, 2009 I Written By

    I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

    DWTS Season 9, Week 9 – Media

    Of course, it will be Derek and Joanna heavy, what with their elimination so close to the end of the show. Or one would think, right? We’ll see if Donny loosens his grasp on all media. 🙂 There was a lot of crap in last nights show – I’ll post all of it later. Heh.

    E! News from last night when I was too tired to do anything with it:

    Meaning Joanna and Derek’s run came to an end tonight, despite her second-place showing on the leaderboard and the obviously stunning figure she cut on the floor.

    “It’s been such an amazing experience and I’ve grown as a person,” the 30-year-old model said after hearing the disappointing news. “Thank you to the judges. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. I had a great partner.”

    So the incomparably polished Mya, fan favorite Donny Osmond and little-reality-star-that-could Kelly Osbourne will be dancing for bragging rights on next week’s two-part season finale.

    Both Dmitry and Louis are in the finals for the first time, while Kym has been runner-up twice, with Joey Fatone and Warren Sapp.

    Perhaps this year she’s half of the pair that’s going all the way to the top.

    I certainly think she is. 🙂


    The Orlando Sentinel:

    The celebrity who had been the most consistent performer this season. Model Joanna Krupa is gone.

    That means Mya, Donny Osmond and Kelly Osbourne will compete for that ugly mirrorball trophy next week. Mya, of course, is the best dancer left. Osmond and Osbourne are probably more popular. Can the best dancer win?

    Krupa should have been in the finale. A Joanna vs. Mya finale would have been more exciting. But given the way the show has ejected models in past seasons, it’s surprising that Krupa made it this far. It’s a testament to her skill.

    “Joanna, you’ve been, for me, the most consistent,” judge Len Goodman told her before the results were revealed.

    “It’s been such an amazing experience,” Krupa said in her farewell. “Thank you to the judges. I’ve grown as a person. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. I had a great partner.”

    The show broke tradition by having Krupa and partner Derek Hough dance a waltz to say farewell — and to remind viewers how great they were.

    Excerpt from the LA Times – pretty much sums it up. 🙂

    In the pre-taped segments, there was an amusing artsy-fartsy music video in which all four of the contestants acted out the pressures of being in the competition while lip-syncing a version of David Bowie’s “Under Pressure.” Between filming these segments and learning three dances, one wonders how they’ve had time in their lives for anything else. Donny’s freak-out was the most believable, but I enjoyed seeing Mya hurl a poor, defenseless stuffed animal off some rooftop, Kelly lay waste to a disco ball and Joanna rip the seams of a sequined garment — and I liked how the video ended with some dance shoes being burned in the foreground. “Apparently pressure doesn’t improve lip-syncing skills,” quipped Tom, “but there you go.”

    I also liked the segment where the pros talked about how hard it was to come up with their own choreography week in and week out. Sure, it’s not like we learned anything new (news flash: Pros like dancing with other pros because they can really let loose!), but it was fun to see the camaraderie among the pro dancers and witness the priceless exchange between Cheryl and Maks, in which Cheryl, while in hold with Maks, confirmed, “You do stink!” and Maks simply responded, “I know.”

    Also stinky was the fact that formidable dancer and competitor Joanna Krupa was let go from the competition, though that’s the way the Mirrorball rolls. So now we’re left with the Entertainer, the Wild Child and the Dance Machine. Who do you think has what it takes to win the “luxurious” Mirrorball trophy?

    Ok! Magazine:

    This season, Joanna Krupa proved that models have all the moves on Dancing with the Stars, but her time on the hit ABC reality show fell just short of the finale as she was eliminated on Tuesday night.

    Joanna lit up season nine with consistently strong performances with partner Derek Hough including last week, when they broke boundaries with their memorable Paso Doble.

    But, although she and Derek earned a score of 27 for each of their three dances on Monday night, good for second place — and judge Carrie Ann Inaba said she’d like to see her in next week’s finale — it was not to be.

    She laughed that DWTS host Tom Bergeron brought her Playboy issue to rehearsal yesterday. And Derek, who had vowed not to look at Joanna’s sexy magazine spread until after their dance partnership was done, crowed, “I’m going to look at it now!” He laughed, “I’m going to get a glass of red wine, sit down [with it] — just kidding!”

    But seriously, longtime pro dancer Derek said he loved some of the changes on DWTS this season, including the competition group mambo, but he candidly admitted starting with 16 couples was a “terrible idea.”

    “Nobody wants to see that many couples dance! I’m sure that won’t be repeated [but] I could be wrong.”

    AMEN brother!! 🙂

    Jimmy Kimmel Show – very cute. 🙂

    ABC Local Affiliate

    November 18, 2009 I Written By

    I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

    Joanna Krupa Sent Home on DWTS

    Is anyone else pissed that Joanna was sent home last night?  I think she should have been in the finals no questions asked.  She was sexy, elegant, and amazing to watch all season and to come this close just kills me.  And with Derek’s hot choreography I’m pretty sure their freestyle would’ve been HOT!

    Week 1: Cha, Cha, Cha

    Week 4: Lambada

    Week 6: Waltz

    Week 7: Rumba

    Week 8: Futuristic Paso Doble

    Week 9: Cha Cha Cha


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    Vote for the Dancing with the Stars Season 9 Winner

    It’s that time again. We’re down to the final 3 stars on Dancing with the Stars. So, let’s get your vote on. I’m going to put up 2 polls. One poll will be for you to vote for who you THINK will be the winner of Dancing with the Stars season 9. The second poll will be for you to vote for who you WANT to be the winner of Dancing with the Stars season 9. So far we’ve been pretty good at predicting the past winners of Dancing with the Stars. Let’s keep it up.

    First what you think…

    Now for your wants…

    November 17, 2009 I Written By

    Better known as Charlie.

    Dancing with the Stars Music – Alicia Keys, Leona Lewis and The Bee Gees

    Time again for the list of music from the special guests on Dancing with the Stars.

    Alicia Keys sang “Try Sleeping with a Broken Heart” Alicia Keys - Try Sleeping With a Broken Heart - Single - Try Sleeping With a Broken Heart with the Alicia Keys’s dancers
    Leona Lewis sang “Happy” Leona Lewis - Echo - Happy with the Leona Lewis’ dancers
    The Bee Gees sang “You Should Be Dancing” Bee Gees - Saturday Night Fever (The Original Movie Soundtrack) [Remastered] - You Should Be Dancing with Melissa Rycroft, Tony Dovolani, Chelsie Hightower, Cheryl Burke, and Artem Chigvinsev dancing

    Also, looks like yesterday we had a real hit with the song Joanna and Derek danced a Viennese Waltz to: “Hallelujah” Leonard Cohen - The Essential Leonard Cohen - Hallelujah—Leonard Cohen. People absolutely love that song (and so they should). I’ll be posting a list of the top music from Dancing with the Stars soon and that one should be on the list.

    On a side note, I was sad to see Derek and Joanna get sent home. Not that I was all that surprised. Joanna has a much smaller fan base than the others. What’s most disappointing about it for me is that Derek creates the most incredible freestyle dances. That will be a tremendous loss for the finale. The good part is that at the finale we get to see all of the dancers back on the show. With 16 dancers, that’s going to be a LOT of dances.

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    Better known as Charlie.

    Vote for the Final 3 Couples on Dancing with the Stars 2009

    It’s time to start voting for the 3 couples that you think will be in the Dancing with the Stars finale. Yes, this Dancing with the Stars poll is going to be a little different. You can vote for up to 3 people. Ideally you’d vote for the 3 that you think will make it to the finale of Dancing with the Stars 2009. However, you can only vote for 3. Tomorrow, we’ll post a new poll where you can vote on the winner of Dancing with the Stars 2009.

    November 16, 2009 I Written By

    Better known as Charlie.