PureDWTS Court Rants: Why Hayley Didn’t Get A Pro Spot on Season 27
Ok, so when the pro lineup was announced earlier this week on GMA, I saw a lot of folks thrilled for Brandon – and even more that were sad about Hayley not getting promoted to pro. I was honestly kind of shocked that so many people were incredulous about her not getting a pro spot – to me, it was pretty easy to see why…they just ran out of spots. But in light of me getting some genuinely curious questions from fans who wondered why Hayley was passed over for a pro role, here’s my honest opinion.
But first, let’s get this main point straight: there is not an unlimited number of pro slots.
THERE IS NO MORE ROOM AT THE INN. I REPEAT – NO. ROOM. AT. THE. INN!
Fall season traditionally has had (13) couples (we won’t talk about the chaos of season 9). It’s a nice number, and usually fits pretty nicely with the (usual) 10 week schedule. Since (13) is an odd number, we’re either going to end up with (6) female pros and (7) male ones, or vice versa. Which we get more of is solely dependent upon who gets cast – if they happen to get (7) female celebs to sign on, then it’s your lucky day, boys – one more male pro slot just opened up. Sorry, ladies – we only need (6) of you this season. Just the way the cookie crumbles, I’m afraid. Due to the budget and schedule, it’s simply not feasible to “add” another couple, particularly if it’s only so one of the pros can have a shot. NONE of the pros are that important.
But why couldn’t they have sat one of the other female pros out, so Hayley could get a turn?
Ok, let’s take a look at who we’re working with here: of the 6 female pros this season, 5 are MBT holders. Right off the bat, I don’t think any MBT-holder is going to get benched in favor of a pro that isn’t battle-tested. One of them is a 2-time MBT winner, and the sole OG pro from the formative years of the show – and Cheryl is still really popular, so as far as I’m concerned, she probably has an open spot waiting for her whenever she wants. Jenna is the current MBT-holder, and just came off a strong season with Adam and an impressive first choreographic outing on SYTYCD – regardless of how you feel about Jenna as a person, the girl’s got choreo chops, and that’s what this show needs right now…so I don’t see the sense in cutting her in favor of Hayley. Lindsay is another choreo heavyweight and a recent MBT winner – plus she seems to get along fantastically with all of her partners, so it’s beneficial to keep her on as well. Witney’s MBT win wasn’t as recent, but she is a choreographer that has started blossoming these past few seasons…so it makes sense to keep her as well. That leaves us with Emma & Sharna. Emma’s a fairly recent MBT-winner as well, and is extremely good at turning partners that are not much to sneeze at on paper into competent contestants – plus she’s married to another pro, which TPTB need now that their token married couple has flown the coop. Sharna’s MBT-less, but has more than proven herself as a skilled choreographer – and she’s popular. I’m not sure who we’re supposed to be cutting here…
But it’s not fair that Hayley’s been in the troupe for 7 seasons, and Brandon’s only been in it for 3 seasons and he got a pro spot first!
First, you need to let go of the notion that this show somehow has to be “fair”. It seldom is, particularly to the female pros; and then there’s the small matter of Val basically being handed ringer after ringer, season after season. But I digress. Secondly, you’re comparing apples & oranges – Hayley is a contemporary dancer that only started dancing ballroom within the last 3-4 years; Brandon is a ballroom dancer that is cross-trained in contemporary and other styles, and has been doing it for quite a bit longer than Hayley. On paper, Brandon is a much safer bet – especially when you look at some of the other contemporary-dancers-who-got-a-crash-course-in-ballroom pros we’ve had: Tyne (who had one short, unmemorable season and we never saw her again) and Allison (great at contemporary, but not-so-great at ballroom/Latin, and was cut after 4 seasons). Right now, the ballroom dancers cross-trained in other styles have a lot easier row to hoe on DWTS than do the contemporary dancers who have only taken up ballroom in the last few years. Brandon also won the junior pro competition on DWTS back in 2007. And once again, THEY NEEDED MORE MALE PROS THIS SEASON. It’s not as if Hayley would have gotten a spot if Brandon didn’t – she can’t partner a female celeb. Also, tenure in the troupe isn’t everything – we’ve seen enough troupe members do a handful of seasons and then get let go, and Sasha seems to get shuffled back to the troupe every so often as well, despite being promoted to pro awhile back.
But why do the men seem to get promoted from troupe more often than the women?
I’m not sure this is really true, as the last few promotions from the troupe (prior to Brandon) that we’ve seen are Alan, Jenna, Lindsay (although she was a pro to begin with, went to the troupe, then went back to pro) and Witney – statistically, you’re more likely to get promoted to pro if you’re a female in the troupe than a male, as the female pro lineup seems to vary quite a bit more these days due to marriages/pregnancies. But as a side note, I’ll say this: the current female pros, on the whole, are FAR more skilled as teachers and choreographers than the male pros. Every single female pro in the lineup this season is both a stellar choreographer and a stellar teacher – I can’t say the same for the men. I honestly feel like the male pros as a whole need all the help they can get – with the departure of Mark & Derek, there is little hope in terms of strong male choreographers. Sasha & Artem seem to really try, and seem to do pretty well about 60% of the time; I think Alan is still pretty green and trying to figure out his choreographic identity; Gleb & Keo, bless them, are not great choreographers. You know how I feel about Val’s choreography – it’d be pretty good, if he would just stop with all the props/time-wasting/troupe-overutilization. We need a dynamite male choreographer – and I think it could be Brandon. I heard tremendous praise for his choreography skills during Juniors, and since he’s coming from the same school/era that gave us Lindsay, Witney, & Jenna, I think he’s got some serious chops. I tend to think of it more as a compliment to the women that they seem to be keeping the ladies the same while shaking up the male pro lineup more and more these days – the women are killing it, so why mess with something that works? The men need work – so they keep tweaking the lineup.
But…but…will Hayley ever got a shot at being a pro???
I’m sure she’ll get her shot, probably within the next year or so. I think it helped that Sharna sat out Juniors, as that created a mentor vacancy for Hayley to fill and somewhat prove herself. I think Peta’s out for the foreseeable future (if not permanently), as she’s expressed a desire for more kids; additionally, Sasha & Emma have said they want to start trying for kids next year, so depending on their success in that arena (hehe), we could see a female pro slot opening up in the spring (if there’s a spring season) or fall (more likely). There’s also the fact that both Lindsay & Witney have been married a few years now – what’s to say they might not start thinking about kids soon? Or even Jenna? And then there’s Sharna, who seems to be blossoming professionally – she may find herself occupied with other gigs before long, and might decide that she’s outgrown DWTS. There’s not a single pro that has been on every single season of DWTS – the pro lineup isn’t static, and if you’re patient, long-running troupe members do eventually get promoted. Relax – I’m sure Hayley will get her moment, when a slot opens up.
Just start praying for a DWTS baby boom, I guess 😉
I wonder if anybody remembers Emma not too many seasons ago. Sometimes there’s just no spot. It is what it is.
Agree 110%, Hayley will get her chance at some point and this show really is in dire need of some good male pros! I was waxing nostalgic the other day and I really do miss Dmitry & Tristan. They need to find and replace what they’ve lost in Derek & Mark. They need guys who are exciting & have some personality! I’m happy Alan got a place, he seems like a nice kid and I like that he tends toward the traditional and I’m quite curious to see how Brandon fares? But the likes of Keo & Gleb, they are duds, unfortunately (esp. Gleb!). TPTB really need to focus on this weakness in the show. Thanks for reading my mind, Courtney!
OMG Dmitry was just eye candy for me man!! 😍 I actually didn’t think he was a bad dancer AT ALL; I think he needed help with choreography but he, himself, as a dancer, I thought he was alright-at least for DWTS standards back then lol
As far as the male pros are concerned, the show is always going to need a level of eye candy, in my book, to meet a certain demographic who wants to see that eye candy on their TV screen-hence, Artem, Gleb and (eye roll) 🙄 Val. I don’t think that’s going to change with a show like DWTS lol
I wish Tony and Maks would come back. I really miss Tony! He’s been away too long!
Why not have a season when all the former pros come back!!! Enlarge the season and add more couples!
Please have a spring season…we love this show!!! It is fun to watch with the family!
Dmitry’s on the Ukrainian version of DWTS now…our loss, their gain I guess. I definitely miss the days of the OGs, which is probably why I love having Cheryl back. It seems unlikely we’ll get the majority of former pros back pre-season 10, unless it’s a very rare instance.
But I get the show moves on and wants fresh faces, and right now I think they’ve got a good mix. And the pros are popular and available for the extra stuff like touring. I’m assuming if Maks wanted to come back this season, Brandon would still be in the troupe (also assuming the show asked him-after his last couple of seasons it made me wonder if they were just done with him). Whether Hayley gets her shot at pro status or not I don’t know. I guess ultimately it will depend whether a female slot opens up. Since I fully believe the show will consider Lindsay’s sister Jensen as a pro in the future if she’s interested, I don’t know if that’ll affect her shot. Jensen is the type they might just promote to pro and let her bypass doing the troupe stint.
Hi! I was gonna respond on twitter then I realized I had more to say 🙂 first off-great writeup, I think you nailed it why Hayley didn’t get a spot-was nothing malicious, there simply just wasn’t room. And you articulated very well my thoughts on the female pro lineup-they are simply killing the game right now, and if it ain’t broke…
As for the strength of the male pro lineup-I feel it’s kind of a monster partially created by the producers. That instead of having male pros “happen” organically like Derek and Mark…hell, even Maks in his early years-they’re trying to MAKE certain male pros happen. And I feel the pros that have been stronger and the most successful have been the ones that have happened organically and now, that is pretty much the female side of the pro lineup. And for certain male pros-why would they have an incentive to improve their choreo when they know they’re going to get a hand from the producers?
I do have very high hopes for Brandon based on the feedback from Juniors (plus I loved him when he auditioned for SYTYCD!) Alan I think has the makings of a good pro, he still needs another season or 2 so find his footing (and I’d like to see him last more than 3 weeks in a season!) Artem I feel is the one male pro that we’ll never really know “what could’ve been” with him. I agree that he really seems to try and make an honest effort with his partners, but the producers just can’t stop meddling with his partners’ journeys, even when he has contenders. I doubt Nikki had more than another week in her (due to her Halloween jive), but Nancy was gone way too soon. I’d like to hope that the producers will give him a break from the meddling this season, but I’m not optimistic.
Obviously I had some thoughts on this topic! 🙂
Thank you, for posting these fan questions and your input. As always, you are appreciated. I hope this posts, as I’ve been having no luck since the short spring season half through it.
Yea, I get it, thanks for the special post Court. Hopefully Hayley gets a shot next season!
Thanks for this great thread on Hayley! I’ve been such a fan since I first saw her on SYTYCD. I feel like she is an absolutely stunning and exquisite dancer and, to me, she has the “it” factor in spades, so I always look forward to watching her in the troupe. It would be lots of fun for me to see what she would do as a pro, as well. Also, to me, her natural charisma reminds me a little of Derek’s, which is always lovely.