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DWTS Season 20, Week 7 – Dancing by the Numbers

This is very likely a pointless exercise since they’re going to add a ton more points on Monday night, but I thought I would put it out here for discussion.

Right now there is a pretty decent spread between our two bottom dwellers on the leader board, enough that they might actually go home in the double elimination.

DWTS 20 wk 7 Table 1

Right now, Robert and Chris would have a lot of work to do in order to stick around. Now, despite Willow being eliminated, I tend to think they might actually go home this week. What people forget is that it’s not just Robert and Chris getting votes, but perhaps Willow NOT getting the votes.  How bad is it? Read more..

May 1, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 20, Week 6 – Dancing by the Numbers

Interesting week on DWTS. Not sure what their goal was, if there was a goal. I do wonder if Riker is killing it in votes and this is how they give him a narrative and show they were right all along. Conversely, maybe he needs help and this is their way of giving it to him. That said, I really liked his dance a lot. I don’t believe he was a whole 3 points ahead of Nastia – not at all, especially upon re-watching.  Basically, every complaint that Len had about that Tango was BS…I’ve watched the dance several times and I don’t see it.  I would’ve put Nastia up with Riker, Willow is good where she is as is Rumer.  I guess, on re-watching, the only score that hacked me off was Nastia’s.

So, was it because she was so early in the night? That’s twice in the last three weeks that she’s gone either first or second. That’s fair, I suppose, since she had the 8th spot in week 1 and she’s had the pimp spot twice.  Rumer, on the other hand, has only danced in the first few dances once and has been in the last 3 dances three times. Pretty good placing, I’d say.  Riker was in the first four dances three times and had the pimp spot once. Out of the top three, I think Rumer has had the most beneficial placing, BUT, that was then, when there was a lot of low hanging fruit to be picked off. What they do going forward will be more telling. If Nastia and Derek go first or second AGAIN, then I will be pissed. Once upon a time, going first or second mattered less and less as the season has gone along, but nowadays it seems they low ball the first good couple out of the gate. Whether this is intentional or coincidence I have no idea. Read more..

April 26, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 20, Week 5 – Dancing by the Numbers

Ah where to start this week? Well, I could rant about the judges (or was it just CAI) being total nut jobs in their scoring – towards Nastia and Robert, in particular – but I feel like I’m preaching to the choir and I got it out of my system earlier in the week. Besides, it very likely doesn’t matter that CAI is a complete ass, because I don’t think anyone is touching Nastia, Riker, or Rumer. And probably not Willow either. Although you never know…

DWTS 20 wk 5 table 1 Read more..

April 19, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 20, Week 4 – Dancing by the Numbers

Here we are, week 4 going into week 5 and the scoring wasn’t too horrendous. There was one glaring error in what was otherwise a relatively decent scoring/ranking by the judges and that was Willow’s 39. Now, don’t get me wrong. I like Willow. I liked the dance. My comments on the dance weren’t on the dance quality but the fact that I had hard time following it with all the other dancers involved.  In terms of dance quality, I defy anyone to convince me (won’t happen) that Willow’s dance was 3 points better than that amazing AT from Nastia or 4 points better than Rumer’s Waltz-ish dance. Was Willow on par with Nastia and Rumer?? Sure, I would buy that. She did a damn good job, in spite of my problems with the production. But 3 or 4 points *better*??  Um, no. Especially when you consider that there are fewer strict rules in a contemporary routine, which means it’s marginally easier to do.  Even if you claim that “Nastia is boring” or “Rumer is one note” that still doesn’t equate to 3 or 4 points difference. Or it shouldn’t. Read more..

April 12, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 20, Week 3 – Dancing by the Numbers

Now is when it starts to get real. No more low hanging fruit to be picked off – at least not in my opinion.  This is a week where I start off writing this post really not sure what’s going to happen.  The scoring didn’t seem too crazy – keeping in mind that I missed Michael’s dance and haven’t gone back yet to watch it. The rest of it seems pretty reasonable.  Chris is higher than I expected, so I guess Witney toning down the choreo to his level (which is what you’re supposed to do, really) paid off.  Part of me wonders if the judges thought he was going home and were being kind.  In any case, if I were ranking the couples, this is probably what I would have come up with, based on Monday night. Read more..

April 2, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 20, Week 2 – Dancing by the Numbers

Well, DWTS Season 20 Week 2 is in the history books and it was a pretty good week. There was nothing that made me snort in disgust (from the judges, anyway) and a whole bunch of pretty darn good to great dancing.

But, as usual, someone has to go home on Monday night. Last week I was pretty clear when I said “Either Charlotte or Redfoo” and said my number 1 choice for most likely to be eliminated was Charlotte. I was pleasantly surprised to find that she was safe – most likely by 0.10 percent. No, I don’t believe Suzanne was a real bottom 2. For her to be a real bottom 2, it meant that Charlotte got nearly 10k more votes per million votes cast than her and that Redfoo did nearly that much – and there ain’t no way you’re convincing me of that. Nope. I think that’s highly unlikely.

Now, normally, I would automatically assume that Charlotte was definitely the next to go. But I’m not so sure that’s true. Why? Well, let’s look at all the scores. Read more..

March 26, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 20, Week 1 – Dancing by the Numbers

So sorry that this has been much delayed this week – I’m still trying to catch up from my whirlwind trip to New York City. If anyone cares, I saw Book of Mormon, New York Spring Spectacular (twice) and Wicked. All were tremendous. As I was telling someone on Twitter, Derek actually sings as much as he dances in this show and that was a real treat. Great voice on that boy.  My favorite line from the very sacrilegious Book of Mormon??  “Jesus thinks you’re a dick.”  OMG, I laughed and laughed and laughed. Read more..

March 22, 2015 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 19, Week 11 – The FINALE: Dancing by the Numbers!

Okay, for those of you claiming scores don’t matter, this should be a lesson to you. Yes, this is me saying I told you so.  Including you, John. :-) There was a little more than 5k between Bethany and Janel and Janel had the second lowest combined score. It is VERY possible that Janel got fewer votes than Bethany and still advanced to the finale. This is why the overscoring crap actually works. Another lesson? That once again huge, young fanbases don’t necessarily vote. Although Bethany did FAR better than many younger celebs dancing on the show. Closer to Zendaya than Cody.

Now I have ten bucks that Janel is going on tour. Talk about yer motive for the pimpage. :-) Good thing I’m not buying tickets. I would like to see Mark sing though – dude, call me and let me know what you hook up. :-)

Anyway, fairly sure that they were called safe in actual order, particularly since Beth was eliminated and Janel was in the real bottom two – loved the shock on Val’s face. Yes, it is that rare that he makes it farther than Derek, despite having a ringer every season except one. Totally called the bottom two, unfortunately. Wrong person went home, but that’s how it goes sometimes.

I suspect that they were also ranked in order of how they will finish by the judges. Read more..

November 25, 2014 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 19, Week 10: Dancing by the Numbers!

Wow. The last week. The second to last numbers post until March. Yay!! I will hopefully be able to whip up a numbers post on Monday night after those scores have come in and will take into account whichever screwy way they decide to count the votes.

Anyway, their convenient ranking of the contestants the other night makes it harder to call than you might think. I’ve been of the opinion for quite some time that Janel is the low vote getter of the people left standing (hell, maybe she got less votes than Tommy, but who knows). But the scores are equally important and the question is: is she getting enough votes to prevent Sadie, Bethany and Alfonso covering the spread? That’s the big question.

Between the very young fanbase of Bethany (less likely to vote) and the broad appeal of Sadie and Alfonso, is Janel’s score enough?? Well, it will be an interesting Monday night. Maybe. What I mean by that is – when will they eliminate the fourth place person, Monday night or Tuesday? Last season, according to Wiki, they eliminated James on Monday night after all the dances. Bill Engvall was eliminated on Monday night. Aly was eliminated on TUESDAY. However, Aly’s season was the last one where there was a regular Tuesday night show.  So, it should be Monday night – but the producers of this show have a tendency to change things around to suit their purposes.

But for right now, we’re going on the assumption of a Monday night elimination, which makes these scores pretty important.

S19 Wk10 Table 1

Well, as you can see the percentages are pretty close together, which means not a lot of votes will be needed for someone to get beat.

See, this is why it’s tough. There hasn’t been a real bottom two all season. Janel and Sadie have been the last woman standing on a couple of occasions –sometimes that means something and sometimes it doesn’t.  It never means anything during the semi-final and finals nights, so that leaves Sadie and Janel each with one instance of being the last person called safe.  Betsey was in the bottom two and was eliminated two weeks later. Jonathan was last to be called safe and was eliminated two weeks later. Michael was last to be called safe and was eliminated four weeks later (thanks to goofy eliminations). Tommy was last to be called safe and was eliminated two weeks later.  Janel was last to be called safe four weeks ago and was handed bogus immunity two weeks later, and was wildly overscored the two weeks after that. Interesting.  Sadie was last to be called safe the last two weeks, but as I said, it doesn’t usually mean anything in the semi-final. That may be true for the quarter final as well, but I can’t remember and I’m too lazy to go look it up.

So, does this mean that either Sadie or Janel are going to be eliminated Monday night? Well, no, not really. We don’t really know if jeopardy means anything in a given season until that season is completely done. But, we’re pretty close right now.  Based on this knowledge, and the fact that he’s awesome, I’m going to bet that Alfonso is safe on Monday night.

That leaves us with the three ladies. Now, I think it’s fairly clear that Bethany has the largest actual following from BEFORE DWTS. And I kind of feel like Sadie’s gotten the lion’s share of the average viewer. Which kinda leaves Janel out in the cold.

Sure, I would like to see Janel eliminated, but that’s just to hack off Val. Really, if you’ve made it to the finale, there’s winning and losing. Unless you’re holding the trophy at the end, you lost – does it matter what place you got? Not really. All that just to say that I don’t really care if Janel gets fourth or third. And to also say that if Bethany isn’t holding the MBT at the end (and she won’t be), who cares ifshe gets fourth or third or second??

All that to also say that I’m not really sure who it’s going to be on Monday night. My instinct is that Alfonso and Sadie will be the last two standing. Let’s look at the voting requirements:

S19 Wk10 Table 2

Now, it could come down to Sadie and Janel or Bethany and Janel. But look at those vote requirements. I think that Sadie beats all three of them with the possible exception of Alfonso. Then Alfonso beats both Bethany and Janel. Then Bethany beats Janel. Now, that’s the very short version, but if you followed it, that means Janel is eliminated.

BUT, it’s entirely possible that Sadie only beats Janel in with the above scores. Doesn’t matter, right, because it’s likely that Alfonso beats Bethany and Janel and Bethany beats Janel, which means Janel goes home. But what if Sadie isn’t beating Janel, since that more than 10k could be a stretch??

I’m confusing myself now. Simpler version – how is Janel eliminated. If ALL of the following happen:

  • Sadie gets 11k more votes per million votes cast than Janel, AND;
  • Alfonso gets 8,300 more votes per million votes cast than Janel, AND;
  • Bethany gets 5,500 more votes per million votes cast than Janel.

See, those are not huge numbers, but the number between Sadie and Janel does worry me a tiny bit. How is Sadie eliminated?? If ALL of the following happen:

  • Sadie fails to get the 11k more votes per million votes cast than Janel, AND;
  • Sadie fails to get 5,500 more votes per million votes cast than Bethany, AND;
  • Sadie fails to get 2,800 more votes per million votes cast than Alfonso.

Finally, how is Bethany eliminated?? If ALL of the following happen:

  • Sadie gets 5,500 more votes per million votes cast than Bethany, AND;
  • Alfonso gets 2,800 more votes per million votes cast than Bethany, AND;
  • Bethany fails to get 5,500 more votes per million votes cast than Janel.

Now do you see why it’s so hard? None of those numbers are huge. In looking at all three combinations, it strikes me that, initially, it looks like eliminating Janel is the hardest thing to do. But then look at Beth and Sadie – it seems like Janel has an easier road, but when you look at Sadie’s set, it seems to me that she could beat Alfonso and Bethany with those numbers, but it’s also a bit hard. Then you look at Bethany and it doesn’t seem like it would be hard for her to beat Janel even if Sadie and Alfonso are beating her.

That is why I keep coming back to Janel. Sadie might not beat Janel, but she beats Bethany (theoretically) so she’s safe. Sadie might beat Bethany, but I think Bethany beats Janel so SHE’S safe. And that leaves Janel out in the cold.

But remember, I only have to be wrong by a TINY bit for someone else (either Bethany or Sadie) to go home.

At the end of the night, I think Janel will be eliminated. If not Janel ,then Bethany. Third choice is Sadie.

ETA: In re-reading what I wrote last night when I was exhausted from traveling, I felt I needed to make a couple things clear and add a note. First – while I think it will come down to Janel and one of the other girls, they may not SHOW that. IF Janel is safe on Monday night, expect to see her called safe first and see Bethany and Sadie standing next to each other under the red light of doom. Either Bethany or Sadie COULD be ahead of Janel in the finish, but if they are really interested in pimping Janel to the trophy, they will call her safe first. It’s a subtle form of manipulation.

As for the note? Well, I wasn’t really clear in the point that while I think Bethany had the largest fanbase coming into the show, that fanbase is typically one that is less inclined to vote and could easily be offset by the general public,  who I think are voting for Alfonso and Sadie. That is why I think that Bethany won’t do better than 3rd place. I’d be happy to be wrong. :-)

November 22, 2014 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)

DWTS Season 19, Week 9: Dancing by the Numbers!

Okay, we’re finally to the point of the competition where things could get interesting. But probably not. Yet. :-) Why? Well, we find out once and for all if Tommy’s fanbase is all that.

I’m not going to talk much about the scoring this past week – I think I’ve made my feelings abundantly clear. Whole lotta work going on to make sure that Tommy doesn’t go to the finals – and that Janel DOES go to the finals. Could say the same for Sadie, I guess, since she clearly forgot the choreo and if we complain about mistakes being overlooked for one contestant, I guess we have to do the same for the other. Thing is, I can’t get too worked up about Sadie because she forgot – you wouldn’t have known if you were watching just her and not Emma. It wasn’t a flub as much as an ad lib, if that makes any sense. I can actually believe, in her case, that the judges didn’t see it. They clearly did see in Janel’s case – and didn’t care.

Anyway, still peeved but moving on. Really tough row to hoe this week for Tommy. I’ll be very curious to see if he makes it or not. Let’s take a look at the scores.

Week 9 Table 1

Miniscule points between the top four – huge points between first and last place. And I really can’t argue with it too much. Love Tommy and Peta very much – but he’s not the dancer that the others are and he knows it.

But what does he have to do to stay?

Week 9 Table 2

It will take a minute, here, to explain why if Tommy is killing it in votes it will be Janel who suffers. I think. :-) The next lowest person is Sadie, but…

Week 9 Table 3

As you can see, Sadie only needs 2,400 more votes per million votes cast to beat Bethany. I have no idea if she’s managing that or not. I think she’s getting a ton of votes, but it all depends on if Bethany’s Motavators are all voting. If they are…well, still hard to say.  But it doesn’t matter. Why? Because I would wager that both girls are beating Janel handily. There’s tiny margins once you get higher than Tommy on the leaderboard. Here’s Bethany’s chart:

Week 9 Table 4

Now, Sadie only needs 9,400 votes per million votes cast to beat Janel or Alfonso. Don’t know if she’s managing it with Alfonso, but I would bet she is beating Janel. That’s why it doesn’t matter if she’s beating Bethany at this point – she’s beating Janel (I believe) and I think that Bethany is also beating Janel, since she only needs roughly 7,010 more votes per million votes cast.

Alfonso only needs ONE more vote per million votes cast to beat Janel and do I think he’s getting that? Of course.

So, what I think that all means is that Sadie is beating Janel, Bethany is beating Janel and Alfonso is beating Janel – which means it could well come down to Janel and Tommy as the bottom two.

So, who will go home? Well, I think Tommy will because as much as I think he is raking in votes, he would have to get nearly 47k more votes per million votes cast to beat Janel. That’s a lot of votes.

Before anyone asks, yes it has been done before. Kurt Warner got about that many (49k?) to send Audrina Patridge (who was at or near the top of the leaderboard) home in week 6 of Season 11.  There have been a few instances of contestants overcoming big numbers of votes to stick around.  As I said at the time, it was not just that they were getting lots of votes, but that the person eliminated was getting few. Audrina (as Courtney and I predicted a couple week before she was eliminated) was one of those and for a long while, I believed Janel was one of those. Is she still? Well, usually this level of pimpage doesn’t work. But sometimes a gullible audience just now turning into the season buys it. But it’s always possible that they like the other contestants better. I will say that this is the first season in a while that I wasn’t SURE who would win. But I am pretty sure it will be neither Tommy nor Janel. Beyond that, the finish order is a toss up. Eveything will hinge on the scores.

So, I’m pretty sure that the wacky scoring this week did the trick and Tommy will sail off into the night. He’s had a great run and he’s given me a new appreciation for Peta. If it’s anyone other than him or Janel I will be mildly surprised, but not shocked. Three young girls with correspondingly young fanbases and you just never know what those kids are doing. :-)

 

November 13, 2014 I Written By

I'm a nerd and proud of it. Two degrees in geology also means I love BEER. :-) I'm also a Derek lover - proud of that too. So don't scream at those of us on this site and call us a bunch of "biased Derek-lovers" - it's just ME. :-) It may sound like I hate DWTS at times, but really, I'm just a snarky nitpicker from way back. And I'm cynical and jaded too. But I do love DWTS. :-)